Why are there 2 Wolverines in MvC2? An Investigation. 

and sentinels are basically made of paper in the cartoon lollll

and also the character known for his claws struggles from low range in a fighting game

Particularly with bone claw wolvie whose healing factor is such that he could get hit by a truck and by the time he lands from the impact, he'd be fully healed.

Yeah I once read that the Wolverines' red life heals the fastest when they're tagged out... kinda cool it fits the lore, but I'd raster they just get the defense buff

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You can build 2 different teams with no repeats all with different gokus

@@devilmaycrysarockingdontcome and then another team of just fusions featuring Goku

@@PantsMasterPlays and let's not forget they could still add more Gokus, like Turles or Goten

@@bluecanine3374 .. Then thats not Goku

2 Wolverines and a Sabretooth

For a time, but afterward, it sprang back with a vengeance (Likely due to no longer having to counteract the metal's toxic qualities).

@@Fishman465 yeah, but the version in the game seems to be the fresh Boneclaw where even his mental faculties were severely weakened.

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I knew Wolverine adamantium was actually making him weaker aside for the metal bones advantages. Slower healing factor due to intoxication plus less agility or something..

@@dawe964 the metal was quite heavy

The overdriven healing factor making him more bestial and the bandana look came 25 issues later after he rejected an attempt to have adamantium put back in his body.

He also lost his nose.

They could have made him a glass canon or maybe his combo potential greater but low damage

LOL Capcom working on new sprites for the same character...ask Morrigan's opinion about this one LOL

@@andremalerba5281 they did, though. Both of these Wolverine's have different sprites. Bone claw has longer claws. It would not have to much work to draw new heads for the bone claw ones. Also; War Machine is a moderately modified Iron Man sprite, and Venom actually uses the Sabertooth sprite as a stencil (it becomes really glaring when you put their sprite sheets side by side). Yeah... Capcom saved money by reusing sprites rather than making new ones a lot. They also modified a lot of sprites, what I mentioned above was just the tip of the iceberg. MvC2 is actually an incomplete game: if they had a bit more time they probably would have balanced it better and made both Wolverines more obviously different than just the claws.

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Which issue?

Hulk issue 181

It's weird that they were insisting on him being comic accurate, just go with the famous version everyone knows. It'd be like if they were like, "Ah, we WOULD put Captain America in, but he's Nomad now!". Marrow at least has justification from a game play perspective, she has unique powers

@@skibobshipoddlypop marvels always been weird about control over their properties, Disney/Marvel actually mandated marvel cut down on the number of X-men characters in MvC3 because they were butthurt Fox still had the X franchise, as if somehow fans being mad there’s few mutants is going to make Fox hand it over or something, I don’t get their logic.

Yeah that is weird seeing how fatal attraction happened in 93' lmfao

They kinda do with his longer claws than adamantium Wolverine. After the adamantium was ripped out of his body by Magneto, he started getting a bunch of mutations as you said which includes longer claws at least when looking at the art in the comics which is why bone Wolverine has longer claws. They could've done more but it's something atleast.

I do like it too, but it makes em look kinda floppy

It looks amazing

I'm the opposite, it actually used to annoy the hell out of me, as a kid I knew if they were floppy they wouldn't hurt as much, I've gotten use to the look now.

I also dig the "looseness" of Wolvie's claws; it was a constant reminder that his claws were originally (and still at their core) organic parts of Logan's body, not just pieces of metal slapped into his forearms. As for the notion of "weak floppiness," you simply need to remember that your body can be both loose/fluid or tense/rigid as needed; that principle forms the the basis of most martial arts. Logan can be loose and relaxed in his idle animation, but slash and smash like a murder truck when he tightens up them guns. All in all, it made Wolverine look so much more alive and human, a trait that Capcom basically mastered with most of their CPS2 and 3 character designs.

@@Tenchigumi I really like this explanation of them

Lol yeah why

The 3rd one would be X-23

because all of them would suck just as much? lol.

I’m thinking you shoot for the 8-pete or 9-pete using this new only wolverine team Justin….

Sabertooth AKA good wolverine

Interesting

@@datguy5818 indeed

Air nado claw

No

Glory to the ratio

The tornado claw as well I believe

Damn, Bone Wolverine really IS the better one out of the two.

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Every time.

Legit! They're like extra digits as opposed to attached sabers. Freaky!

Dead ass!!! I thought it was just me!

It might be just to simulate 3D.

Ah yes, the days before Ironman/MCU.

@@hitmanmonaghan6633 And pre-Spidey revival with the Rami films

People forgot that in the previous game Marvel vs. Capcom 1, there's also two Venoms (one is Red Venom which reference Carnage), two War Machines (the other is Gold War Machine which reference Iron Man), two Hulks (last is Orange Hulk which reference the Sasquatch or maybe the Thing), and two Chun-Lis (the dark version is called Shadow Lady).

@@VOAN 2 Morrigans too! Though it was a Lilith body swap/color change

@@anotherhealingjourneybegins lilith is part of darkstalkers's roster

bruhs beating up dudes who cant even push block or hit confirm. that was a painful watch

@@rodactyl6807 it’s Doug Walker what do you want lmao

Huh...thats the most random thing I've seen today, never would of guessed

Bonerine 😂

Mvc3 had a ton of that just look at the intros

they're not different people though, he was born without adamantium and received the Adamantium after being placed in the Weapon X program. then Magneto ripped the Adamantium from his body , and later on in his story the metal was replaced again.

Lol I like this comment is way better worded than my attempt. But yeah as a nerd I loved the little nods, nd it did help me spark my interest in some other comic stories. Them 90s games were like that.

Yeah I noticed that long ago, but I didn't know bone Wolverine was such a weakling in terms of HP.

Wolverine in X-MEN COTA , MvSF , MvC1 vertical divekick Wolverine in MSH , XvSF diagonal divekick

I always loved to pick bone claw wolverine because he was faster than the original version plus I can do more damage with his air tornado claw. The regular one didn't have air tornado claw

That! There's also a low kick or something that is different and follows those games moves! I just don't know why they've kept Bone claw Wolverine instead of going only with Adamantium one. At the same time, I would love to have MvsC1 Ryu with that transforming super LOL

Or a transformation for him

This is interesting - I didn't know about this. Are there links to articles about this stuff?

Doubt it. Capcom likely didn't want to draw a new marvel character so it was better to add another wolverine to make it easy.

You can pick 3 ryus on mvc2 once you unlock everything in the game

In Marvel vs. Capcom 1 they had 2 Hulks, 2 Venoms, 2 War Machines, 2 Morrigans, and 2 Chun-Lis. Ryu could transform into Ken and Evil Ryu if that counts. Orange Hulk, Red Venom, Gold War Machine, Lilith Mode Morrigan, and Shadow Lady Chun-Li are all hidden characters. Orange Hulk is a reference to either the Sasquatch or the Thing, Red Venom is a reference to Carnage, Gold War Machine is basically similar to Iron Man, Lilith Mode Morrigan is basically Lilith in Morrigan's body, Evil Ryu is Ryu when or if he accept the Dark Hadou, and Shadow Lady Chun-Li is based on Chun-Li's brainwash appearance in the Street Fighter II V anime series. Roll is the only hidden character in that game that's not a clone or a version of an existing character and the only one that had her own theme song.

The speed buff was from Children of the Atom.

@@RandoBox True as well, just too bad they both have crap health.

nah that move of adamantium wolverine started from the MVS. even the fatal claw and 7 shadows super started in that game.

The only missing from CoTA is the Healing Factor, Wolverine's pose during that move became an entry pose after tagging in.

Imagine if hulk had it too. That would've made both of them top tier

The warmachine being in mvc was due to a legal dispute. Another company had exclusive rights that year to produce an iron man game, (acclaim I think but I forget). This was when MvC was already deep in development and set to release soon so they just pallet swapped Iron man into war machine with barely any changes. In MvC2 they could use iron man again so warmachine got tweeked a bit to be his own charecter (the short version is beam moves became missles and vice versa).

Actually, Iron Man wasn't in MvC1 due to licensing issues at the time. I don't know why they didn't apply to War Machine, but that's why he got in over Iron Man.

The version of Hulk in the early MVC games also reflected his current “merged Hulk” persona at the time, where he had Banner’s intellect and Hulk’s strength (which is what inspired Banner’s new form in Endgame lol)

He gets faster Red Bar recovery in the backline, the problem with both of those suggestions is that they're uhh Ass to balance in a way that is reasonable, Heal Supers are typically terrible or godlike depending on how vulnerable they are, and Regen in general is..... very very touchy to balance, and encourages defensive/keepaway play without meaningful interaction involved

And the fact that bonerine takes more damage shows he doesn't have a healing factor

Omega Red heals himself in the game and CoTA but not Wolverine himself.

Mystique would be a pain in the butt to program due to the massive amount of data needed for her to mimic all of the Marvel roster, let alone the Capcom one.

Alternatively, she could play more like Double in Skullgirls who morphs for specific moves and those moves function very differently from the original version of the same move.

This is peak pixel art, it’s quite timeless compared to 3D art, I hope that games in the future go back to this kind of artstyle too.

​@@arenarreyesI find the 3d models to be very hard on the eyes... Looks bad

Technically, he only has the least health when he doesn't have the adamantium.

Judgement Cut

But they left strider and Ironman/war machine nearly untouched 🥴

Marvel 2 came out several years after that

But theres only one sakura in mvc2

@@QuestionMarks420 ik but like a overview of her like what he did with Ryu and roll

You can say Bone-reen instead of Bone A Reen. Make it sound French and fancy. "Good to you Monsieur Bone-reen!" Osteo reen...😹

"Steel body", "Iron Body", Etc. He says it alot, so they gave him one. It was a secret character in MvSF. Been used ever since.

@@DeWente69 thanks for the reply. Who was saying iron body\steel body, Zangief? Do you think it was a replacement for Colossus?

Zangief, in his quotes and his lore. Capcom just took some liberty and made an alternate version of their character. He was created in a game with "what if" and comedy type scenarios. Just something they made for crossover games. He has costumes for Mech Zangief in actual SF games, but Mech Gief as a character with his move set has not been used in a non crossover game. He has a Street Fighter Alpha 3 Win animation where he drinks liquor and blows fire. I don't know if that came up before or after MSHvSF. He was not a replacement for Colossus. There was no reason to include him or a replacement. He wasn't a popular enough character to make it into the VS series as fully playable. He didn't even make it into X Men vs SF. (He was in Zangief's ending. This is where the idea probably began. "Lets make Zangief metal too!"). He surely didn't make the cut for Marvel Super Heroes vs SF. And of course, in MvC2 they just used all the characters they already made up until that point. But his costume since they started making 3d models have been a reference to the other Metallic Russian Hero Colossus. www.arcadequartermaster.com/capcom/mvs_8.html streetfighter.fandom.com/wiki/Mech_Zangief

Iron Zangief also appears in Street Fighter X Tekken as a cameo as well. You can see him in the glass window hanging on for dear life, unfortunately he didn't make it😂

No Shadow Charlie in MVC2 either

What do you mean by squishy?

Takes extra damage/dies quickly.

he done does reqquire toot rip huh /?

Wrong game.

Just look at their claws. It's not that hard.

@@inkredibill6352 but but....why wouldn't you just use Blue Wolverine for all Ada references. And then stick to brown wolverine for bone? It just......my brain!!!

because i just pressed the button without thinking

@@jmcrofts 🗿

Yeah thats dumb as hell

Over animated? No such thing

I think it only really shows on the bone claws, specially his frontal hand, they swing WAY too wildly and unevenly for how still his fist is

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I think they should have gone all out aesthetically and atleast put bone claw Wolvie in his old maroon costume, had him unmasked, or something besides longer claws and a slight pallette swapped color to differentiate him from the other one.