Super Turbo is Broken 

A fixed version of Super Turbo so I can play Arcade without the Max Difficulty Bug? LOL

I could ask for a better single player mode, but apparently it's too much to ask for Capcom to fix the glitched AI in the non-Japanese versions.

@@dariogonzalez8989 At least there's Hyper SF2 aka SSF2X+

It not being broken. And the community letting capcom fix it and then playing the fixed version instead sticking to the broken one to be stubborn?

@@dnmstarsi I don't know about that one; I played Hyper on the PS2 years ago, and its difficulty was reasonable, _but_ I got the Japanese version, and I've heard horror stories about the Western version *still* having the fucking AI bug from Super Turbo.

Some of the most revered competitive fighting games have absolutely busted shit in them. MvC2 yo.

Got that right

nah this game is undeniable kusoge garbage dont let sickos who play this shit ever say anything even remotely positive about it im so serious

​@@AugustAPC Super Smash Bros. Melee.

The most jank of them all is SF6, zangief 360spd animation is janky af in the corner

Counterpoint: X-Factor in UMvC3

​​​​​@@muratendmoCounter-counterpoint: That was Eighting and Capcom, not just Capcom, also it was propbably Eighting behind that since their games are balanced like shit and X factor is BROKEN

DAMN that is DIRTY.

WHAT?? THAT'S SO FUCKED UP!!!! What were they thinking???

​@@ericthescruffyBad programming.

Counter Supers in Naruto Clash of Ninja/Gekito Ninja Taisen are the same way IIRC, if you don’t get the counter you keep your meter

This is kinda untrue. There are niche fighting games where you can infinutely whiff supers as well. Any super counter from the Gekitou Ninja Taisen series, for instance.

Me too. And also broken as all hell.

The reason for the speed difference is that all the stages were designed to use just enough compute power to run at 60fps. What both HF and ST do is unlock the framerate to get it’s turbo speeds. Some stages just take more to run and therefore perform slower than others.

@@Darknight0681 I figured it was something kinda like that. Shouldn't be that way though...

@@Darknight0681 I KNEW IT. As soon as I heard that they ran at different speeds, I thought, 'Wait, did they just uncap the framerate without making adjustments?'

Surprised that's not a thing with all the games actually, given the varying levels of background animation (virtually none in Ryu's stage, tonnes in Chun's)

Real

We used to be a proper country

Sounds good to me, droob

That would be sf2 Hyper Fighting

No joke, the most balanced Street Fighter is the very first one. I mean it automatically has to be, it only has one single playable character (and a skin for player 2) and besides, even pulling a single Hadoken requires frame-perfect inputs every single time. What better test of skill than that?

Wait, even in HD Remix, Akuma was still banned? And my other question is, were there any official USF2 tournaments?

Kirby mains feel you

He was actually very strong in Alpha 3 and high tier in CVS2. He started paying for his sins in SF4, where he’s bottom 3 in Ultra and debatably the worst character in the game in Vanilla.

​@@assassinonprozaches around mid tier in ultra from what i heard

@@pastorofmuppets9346 Every tier list I’ve ever looked at puts him in wildly different places so I just put him as far down as I thought I reasonably could. I’d say he’s closer to bottom 7, bottom 10 if you’re being generous.

Blanka has been paying for his sins in mainline series since HF (cvs2 isn't mainline) only now in 6 they go... Lets try not making him crap again...

The fact that even with that Hawk is still bottom tier in Super Turbo shows how ridiculous the game was

​@@tedjomuljono3052Much like a bunch of BS in the Marvel Vs. games, he has to both get to close to you and hit you first. Those _seem_ like easy conditons, but when there are characters who can legitimately oppress you from across the screen or otherwise as soon as the round starts...yeah.

While we knew about the option select way back in the day (I heard about it first in 2001), it was indeed until many years later players got good enough at it to take T. Hawk from lowest tier to highest!

@@madspunkyisn’t thawk still bottom tier though? Lol

@tedjomuljono3052 Not really, he's ranked pretty high now. Very few people can pull it off reliably though.

Trying to main Q/12 in vain, as one does

​​@@megamansoupreme7122>be Q >the most mysterious character from the series >be among the lowest tiers characters in the game >refuse to elaborate further >leave

​@@frankhorrigan1508>possibly reappear as G in SFV more than a decade later

Thank you for watching 🙇🏼

The Cpu can do anything to win ! Even defying the game s own coding ! For ex as a human player you perform a light punch hadouken it take about half second recovery time or something but Cpu when under pressure it reduces the time to even half and I noticed it trust me ! I have been playing fighting games for 28 years and know what I m saying ! An other thing Cpu can counter your every move if it wants to for ex I press up even before my character jumps by a fragment of second te Cpu counter my jump etc...

@@manafbenayache1880 Yeah, it can read inputs, make its attacks faster (and unblockable too), become invincible at random times, and so on. There's videos how there on how the CPU cheats you.

​@@manafbenayache1880Pretty standard for the day. Ain't nothin' next to the legendary cheese of SNK bosses.

It's both a knowledge check and pure RNG. Gotta love it

@@RemnantsOfATenguit is hella deep and one of the greatest fighters ever It’s also broken and janky as hell Both of these things are true

Aren't there crazy OSes you can do with it if you have the execution?

In a way it makes sense that Claw is still suffering for his bullshit in this game, with _CvS2_ being like the sole exception to the rule, but it's also hilarious that Sagat still gets away with war crimes given O. Sagat.

The hilarious part is, even back in the day players like Graham Wolfe or Tokido would decimate people with claw and people still had the gall to say ST was the most technical pure SF game ever. Once MAO came in and cleaned house, it was game over.

Valeu BRASIL

Smash added this for shotos and even though sweeps don't knockdown in Smash they allow for Kara canceling. This was added in a random patch and was never brought up in the notes so nobody knows if the Kara cancel was intentional.

It’s actually the best. Once you play ST Ryu it’s hard to go back to him in any other game 😂

Projectiles never felt better than in this game. There are two models that every 2D, non platformer fighting game is based on today: SF2, and Vampire Savior that is the grandfather of the anime fighter. I disagree with how the street fighter model dealt with fireballs going forward. First, they nerfed them, second, they gave characters abilities that just allow them to ignore the fireball, usually requiring them to spend meter. Boring and lazy design when far more interesting neutral skips exist if that is your solution. With SF1, the design goal of the fireball was "to create meaningful combat across the screen." With the Vampire Savior model, we get to a game like MvC2 where this is truly the case; attacks that effectively stretch full screen, and you can even open someone up full screen... but this is a VERY different type of game. I'd like to go back to the point of Super Turbo and keep projectiles just as strong, but find new solutions for non fireball characters to deal with them that doesn't amount to "lol Imma just ignore it and open you up because I have meter."

I get it, it’s why I prefer Ultra and Hyper SF II to ST, not to mention the difficulty of the AI in Arcade mode

@@therock238360 personally I stick to A3 and 4 when I'm looking to play SF, but yea, HSF2 and USF2 are just as good for casual gameplay.

come to the darkside ;)

@@kkmasters sorry man, I've already sold my soul to +R

Same. I can respect the game and its enduring legacy both in itself and the games that came after, but gods do I never want to deal with its bullshit at present, and that was true back when I only knew half of this madness.

SSFIIT Claw players are the types to call him “Vega” instead of Claw

That does make me wonder how many of these loops and unblockables work on the game's AI, if any.

And everyone liked it and it's been played for 30 years unlike Weed Fighter 6 that runs on 0.5x speed and will die in 2 years like its predecessor SFV

@@polestarbei163 You mean a game that didn't actually die in two years? Cause SFV had a rough start but it absolutely came out well played from front to back, and in a good place at the end

@@jngo172 I call him whatever it says on the screen. The screen says "Vega," I say "Vega," simple as that.

If I had to bet on what fighting game is "most balanced" I definitely wouldn't bet on anything before Street Fighter IV, and I don't even think USFIV is a candidate. The only reason I'd maybe bet on SF6 is that nobody can agree on tiers yet beyond "Gief and Lily are low but not unviable."

@@kfcnyancat I would put my money squarely on Alpha 2.

It'll just be 12 things about Chun, Yun's Genei Jin, Ken's super/dashes/meterless damage/bthrow, and maybe Makoto's SA2 stuff. Besides that, the game's relatively balanced, outside of unblockable loops and some of Elena's matchups

@@joeschmoe4376 The game’s relatively balanced, outside of all the unbalanced stuff You forgot looping unblockable set ups and Q

​@@joeschmoe4376there is way more broken stuff in 3S lol. Whiffing normals for meter, 12 and Sean being functionality useless at top level, useless supers like Remy SA3 or Alex SA3, certain characters feeling unfinished like Alex or Q, Makoto pressure, unlockables etc.

Which stage is the slowest?

Zangief and Claw’s stages are the fastest and Dhalsim + Fei Long’s stages are the laggiest/slowest. Cammy’s stage was chosen because it’s the most balanced not because it’s the fastest.

Ah. That’s why every tourney plays on Cammys stage.

@@elfascisto6549 In terms of speed; not the fastest, not the slowest.

So that's why people only use that one in Fightcade?

Não ironicamente o fato do jogo ser quebrado pra caralho, torna ele muito divertido e interessante de analisar, estudar e jogar, acho incrível jogadores usando isso ao limite, sendo que o potencial é absurdo.

Alucard???

Bem-vindo de volta, Mestre.

MAS ALUCARD

I mean, there WAS a patch... Technically. HD Remix, and everyone just plays ST lol

I'm new to Street Fighter but the ladder sentiment is exactly what I love about the series and especially its fans :)

Shoutout to Rozner labs?

Maybe I was on the base ssf2 port

SF2 will always look great

One of my favorite things to see as a new Street Fighter fan, honestly

Just like all nonsense in ST there’s even more to the story! The increased AI difficulty is only present in the US region (and maybe the non-Japan ‘world’?) versions of the game.

Allegedly, Super Turbo uses AI which is based on some of the best Street Fighter players around the world. Simply put, this is practically a "Show me what you got'' challenge. However, as Ebinsugewa mentioned, this oddly enough isn't a deal in the Japanese version.

@@figment1988source?

That's the comment I was looking for. Thanks.

You can replace ST with Third Strike and it would be just as true

I'm absolute trash at classic SF, but even I could tell you at the low level I play that those games are a long way away from Balanced. Those people who go online and complain about SF6 wanting to go back to the old school days clearly don’t know what they’re talking about.

@billyboleson2830 Fuckin correctomundo. I always say that about 90% of the people that say a game is the greatest of it's genre never even played the game, even if readily available. 5% of them are casuals who don't want to be in the minority, and may not even like the game as much as they say. The other 5% actually play the game with some semblance of skill. Umvc3 is at that stage right now as well.

Also old school heads in general had this take. If you read on SRK forums from back in the day what people would say, you would think ST is literally chess over fine wine levels of sophistication.

You mean Zangief and T.Hawk right ! I just know

Hmm

You can, but you have to intentionally pick the old version of your character, lose, continue and don't press any button on the select screen. More trouble than it's worth.

An idea for a light ST ROM hack I still have to this day despite having zero ability to do so: - Move Old 1 (classic color) to hold any button color, then move Old 2 to Old 1 color slot (that also means hold color is now Old 2 slot) - For English versions, remove the difficulty buff - Optionally, patch out O. Zangief magic throw

@@wonderboke There's a video about it.

​@@FMechathe closest to that is only street fighter 2 new legacy the problem is that they don't have a vanilla version with only the QoL stuff

@@strandedfiend1224 I know right?

Nice. Shout out to New Legacy.

Soul Calibur 2, particularly now that fans have modded the GCN release so that all three guest characters are in one game, seems a good candidate. Melee's jank is plenty well documented already.

This is the best compliment, thank you!

It makes it easy to keep the store while being crossed up, you can also guard a fireball or a jump in it always surprise the opponent lol.

Isn't Alpha 2 considered one of the most balanced Street Fighter games to date??

@@RemnantsOfATengu Nah, even playing retroactively, Alpha 2 is a very balanced and controlled experience. Landing a CC is huge, but it's the only method of big damage and it's quite difficult (either a hard confirm which is not easy in Alpha 2, Vaille CC "guard break" which requires close proximity or just doing it raw/anti air off a read). Most of the cast can perform in Alpha 2 to a strong degree and the difference between the best and worst of the game is not big.

@@RemnantsOfATengu What does number of mechanics have to do with roster balance? If you mean “CCs and Supers are too strong” then fair enuff, I can see you making that case, but even compared to other Street Fighters it is more balanced than basically all of them except late SF5.

@@RemnantsOfATengu Honestly, Rose is probably the only character that stands as too strong/weak and you saw players play every character on the roster at high level.

@@RemnantsOfATengu It's not just custom combos, other games have custom combos and while they are good they can still be balanced. Alpha 2 CCs are unblockable if you weren't blocking beforehand, it will often clip you low if you were walking back. Huge damage, often little risk, kind of ruins a match where you were punishing things accordingly and then one CC tilts it the other way. Clayton Chapman does a good job explaining it on his channel.

Agreed. Nothing since feels close to this game...

Wasn't the title "broken KOF" was way more fitting for the original KOF 2002 instead of KOF 98. Though idk about competitive KOF, so i'm just genuinely asking here.

@@PiccoloNamexio i feel that 2002 its a little more ballanced that 98 both are dream match games but 98 got some of the most broken moves that later was banned from next games

Wait you can cancel down smash now?

@@squidtheinconsistent it’s been like this for a while lol

@@JonahBoing I have genuinely never seen or heard of anyone doing it

hashtag healthy play patterns

he needs it though the fireball matchups are legit 7-3/8-2 lmfao

@@evangel1460 Nah, no they're not. Honda going 5-3, 5-4 type scores against fireball characters is routine, and Honda winning with those scores is too. The fireball character has an advantage, sure, but the game has actually garbage matchups. Think about Claw vs. Sim, for example. If Claw won 5-4 you'd start wondering how did he fuck up, and Sim actually winning a FT5 is just plain unthinkable. Yet Honda players do that routinely against Ryu and the like. 3-7 may describe how awful it feels to try to get in as Honda, but Honda's matchup scores don't really reflect reality or account for the opponent just dying when he gets in.

@@evangel1460 , the problem with Honda is this makes him godlike against the non fireball characters. If he needs help with fireballs sure, mess with his jump a bit and how far neutral HP drifts him, etc. but for the love of god he doesn't need this and it takes the matchups he's already favored against and makes it almost impossible. Taking that away and helping him with his less favored matchups is a fair trade off imo.

Except in JP version and in the PS1/Saturn port that was part of SF Collection (though that port has some changes with competitive consequences)

There's a bug in the US version that for some reason sticks the game on Level 8 difficulty no matter what difficulty you select. The JP version is still hard as nails but it's not totally broken.

Yep. You can't block any attack on the frame you land, high or low

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