Why Are There Only Two CPU Companies? 

Only reason I liked the video

especially since i was disappointed a second earlier when he said politics.. it made the rvb reference much more satisfying

@@La_sagne just wait until the second joke also is about Politics. That joke age pretty badly.

I like how the top comment always spoils the best joke

same. also, as of writing this reply, the comment has exactly 117 reactions. I stayed my hand from liking the comment only so I don't ruin this number

Lol I noticed that too

My first PC was in 1991 a Philips 386sx 16mhz 40MB hdd and 4 mb ram and ms-dos 4.0 and windows 3.0

it was the first computer that made major inroads into homes other than the commodore 64

I interpreted that as meaning the first of its family, what used to be called the “IBM-compatible PC.” Yeah, it’s not literally the first PC, but it’s the first device of the IBM-compatible PC family and was named, “IBM Personal Computer.” I had a bigger disagreement with the “great value for money” part. The IBM PC didn’t offer great value, which is how Compaq and Dell and so on were able to undercut them so quickly. It was a great financial success because, before IBM entered the market, PCs were great but untrusted. People didn’t want to put their business on a device that cost $1500 (Commodore 64, inflation-adjusted) to $5000 (Apple II, inflation-adjusted) and looked like a toy and came from a hobbyist company. But when serious company IBM came out with a ($4000 inflation-adjusted) device without frivolous bitmapped graphics, then that validated the concept for business users. Thus disproving by example the capitalist theory of the efficient market.

@@biennium992 great narrative, but I would suggest using the original price/year in order to allow people to calculate it by the time they read it.

Underrated comment

I built my first AMD rig in the early 2000s. Pretty sure AMD has been around for a long long time.

@@DiarrheaBubbles hasnt been relevant for a while tho

@@jklusky2425 that's literally refuted by the video tho ;p

200%

Thanks saved minutes of my life

Thank you

Oh well, I'm gonna watch it anyway

Thx

@@abagel186 welcome

It's a deep fake, secretly the person behind is Linus

Ye

You can tell by the LTT sweater

and funny too

It’s Linus but in the 90’s and funny

Can confirm, my stock cooler on my FX-8120 has the green logo. And also runs like shit.

Amd basically intel

nvidia was bigger green brand at any time

ATI was team red. AMD bought team red in 2006.

@@sharcc2511 I also have a 8350 stock cooler. That thing is hilariously bad. It seems like they build it like shit on purpose.

"...because of their high performance per watt..."

Actually things were not that low cost back then with floppy drives costing near $300 and an average Apple II running in the $5000 range. Of course DIY PCs did not exist back then to purchase individual CPUs.

They are actually low cost but powerful now that amd is king and kicked the prices up like 50-100 dollars

Intel chips are way cheaper than the amd counterparts in my country right now and they're actually flush with stock. Alot of people moving to Intel right now for how much cheaper it is and will be for a good few months to a year.

And yet, if you look at what you are feeding into it, it's comparatively quite lame.

OR maybe (tinfoil hat on) AMD was artificially kept alive and allowed to live just so Intel doesn't trip into US anti-monopoly law which would crush their profits like rent-control .... neah, that's just tinfoil hat bullshit, no way someone would pull anything mischievous for the sake of profit .... large companies never do that.

I suppose ur generally correct but your math doesnt include the years approximately 6+ years ...the K62 was superior and (came out in 1997) to intels pentium 4 and so forth for a few iterations , plus first to 1ghz(1999) and first to 64bit(2003). .. AMDs multicore strategy was a comparitive failure but intel took forever to move off 4 cores, if AMD had been able to capatilize on their technical success more, they would have been competitive sooner...l dont feel like doing the research but i think u didnt count some other years. when itntel was behind they maintained mind share and likely $$$ share to aid that. the impression of who is ahead isnt known or noticed by the general public. Just as Thomas Edison was a great but still inferior engineer than Westinghouse...but most ppl know the former because his publicity stunt etc and he apparently took some of his engineers credit. The truth is not easy to arrive at in this world of cheating and collusions etc.

​@@whiteknight7wayne493K64 beat Intel at one or two price points; Intel ruled the rest. Then after AMD bought ATI it started to bungle everything, almost died, had to sell off its HQ and its fabs, and was saved by 1. Jim Keller handing them Ryzen (for a fee); 2. the sudden growth of crypto mining which sent GPU prices and volumes to Mars; and 3. Intel getting so arrogant, complacent, insular, and clueless that it couldn't make any progress at all for nearly a decade.

Similar to how Coke and Pepsi are "rivals" but in reality depend on each other for marketing and popularity

Level Up: Intel stands for Integrated Electronics.

@@drright71 nice lol lol

A simple google search would fullfil your quest long before.

@@drright71 *mindblown *

@@md.mehedihasan9348 the thing is, I didn't even knew that AMD is an abbreviation

L vs Light

Literally

Purple pill or gay pill (RGB pill) Recommended: gay pill

Red wire or blue wire on bomb

Not in the graphics card domain.

Still a ripoff from that guy from ltt though.

@@azyrael96 ikr, these guys have literally no shame in stealing voices🙄

too sweet even youtube thinks he speaking korean

@@azyrael96 you are kidding, right?

@@timothynye438 of course he’s kidding

Really. You felt it.

@@stonethemason12 It's devastating. You're devastated right now.

Remember, KFC made a dating game with the colonel.

@@stonethemason12 Come on, you know it's hip when kids repeat things they constantly see others make in comments like "I felt that" or "plot twist" or "we need to protect him at all costs"

@@jackalsandwolves3693 I was trying to forget about that

If Apple hadn't switch to ARM for their M1 chip, I though, Apple would be the one, though. Lol.

@@WhyteLis21 only problem is price because... Ya know 1200$ for a phone with badder specs than a 800$ phone and NO CHARGER apple cpu gonna be only the blueprints

@@N3345 👍😁

@@brandaccount4968 Well then, you better keep up. It's not 2012, it's 2021! 😆

Didn’t Qualcomm make the Surface cpu?

As a fellow computer science student, i agree with you. It's actually very very hard to manufacturer cpus cheaply. And creating a new cpu architecture is nearly impossible lol.

As a dentist, I agree

As a highschooler who wants to pursue a field that works with computers, yes

As a human, I totally disagree. Licensing should only be a point to purchase until a certain time has passed. But there is no reason why they can't just copy and paste. There are massive potential profits and I got a feeling politics are stopping the copy and paste from happening.

@@thevindictive6145 well, intel did this with the 8088 processor (I think it was that one), and now we have 2 companies ruling the market. Also, Intel's first microprocessor was made exactly 50 years ago, so even with the best patent/copyright laws they may still have the patent for it, and it is known that companies try to "extend" the lifetime of a patent, but nothing is done (like printer inks and insulin medication). At the end you are right, realising the patents would make it easier, but I still think it would be hard

When apple started to make pc CPUs

@@somabiswas2629 Don’t you mean Mac cpus

@@hexados7479 I mean Processors not only for Mac or iMac, for many PCs like Intel

@@somabiswas2629 true. they only make cpus for mac and you cant build a custom mac.

the heglian dialectic. thats why. ( and id like to see you build a mac by yourself)

nobody nobody tired of this

and... the Korean is gibberish too, it's doesn't even seem to be a phonetic transcription, just word salad.

At least I'm Korean and can read it, but it's just words... doesn't match

😂

@@JanghanHong it's trying its best, some parts are phonetically similar

lol

It is looking like x86 cpus will be obsolete soon with the rise of ARM. But I hope that RISC V CPUs replace ARM eventually.

@@GeoTechLand advancements in virtualisation will render cpu architecture obsolete for personal computers.

​@@anona1443 > cpu architecture obsolete That's... not how that works at all.

@@EDToasty I actually meant "immaterial"

Correction: Two CPU companies that make CPUs that actually work for desktops.

@@wta1518 You have to count laptops too.

@@saricubra2867 Sorry. Two CPU companies that make CPUs that actually work for desktops or laptops without emulation.

@Jobins John Most, not all.

@@wta1518 LOL 68000 what was that insignificant blip.

TI graphing calculators, right?

No, it took IBM *requiring* a second source - which ended up being AMD.

​@@bricefleckenstein9666And Intel bungling that license agreement.

@@blairhoughton7918 More that Intel didn't worry about having AMD as the second source, once they decided to put up with it due to IBM pressure.

@@bricefleckenstein9666 They accepted it then, grudgingly. But once that expired and IBM wasn't driving, Intel sued to stop AMD, and the courts exposed how badly they'd bungled the original agreement. Probably cost them about a trillion dollars over 30 years.

@@blairhoughton7918 The third party agreement didn't EXPIRE. Intel sued to END it, as IBM was no longer worrying about enforcing it.

Yeah. Silicon engraving machines are expensive.

Also patent trolling to hell. Trying to make x86 CPU without getting trounced by intel and AMD patents is quite impossible. Just ask nvidia.

@@dan_loup Another Economic Principle: Regulatory Capture.

Not how it works lol

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Thank you! The first IBM PC wasn't anything of what's described in the video, it was clones and brand recognition that made it popular, and it still took almost 10 years for it to become popular in the home market

The gang of nine made it a thing

Yeah, it was the fact that the hardware could easily be replicated, and the small company known as “Microsoft” was allowed to license the OS to other companies.

@Scar. The IBM PC wasn’t THAT popular when compared to the IBM compatible (or clone) PC’s

@Scar. I'm saying that IBM may've been the ones to invent the overall PC architecture(the overall platform, not the processor ISA) but they were just overly expensive business machines (Not surprising given their name: International Business Machines Corp.) not really intended for the home market before Compaq and several other companies reverse engineered their platform and made their own machines. IBM did a big mistake and used off-the-shelf components so the other guys just had to implement their own BIOS that was compatible with the software used by IBM PC. There's so much more to the whole story so I highly recommend you spend some time reading up on it. :)

it's*

@@CreeperPookie how old are you? You seem pretentious

They do seem to be renaming video titles pretty often these days.

Just seeing what works best with YT analytics

you can also see the original title if you have notifications on

Why would it get changed?

Please fix your stuff RU-vid. Nobody wants the title change meta, the only reason it exists is because your algorithm wants it to exist.

Neither are really competitive over here intel is really expensive and amd is like 50% more expensive than intel. But I got some good deal on the used market so thats a win win, I basically got a new 6 core cpu and neither AMD or intel got money.

Cyrix is actually still around, sort of - it was acquired by VIA, who still make X86 CPUs today. You don't hear about them because their focus is on cheap CPUs with low power consumption. They did, however, partner with a chinese government entity to create CPUs that are in the ballpark of the early Core i-series in performance.

@@TheCallMeCrazy good to know that. my first one was an IBM Cyrix back in '95

Apple makes chips only for themselves They have complete control over hardware and software Plus a mid range CPU from AMD is better than an M3 chip

plis, i have a lot of hope about a future with RISC-V

Eh, it would need to implement or emulate x86, which has a licensing issue that courts haven't pronounced themselves on yet. Although hopefully Apple's M1, which also runs x86 in part, might give them the right nudge.

If I was AMD or Intel, I'd be researching and developing RISC-V for a post-x86 world.

Haha good one

@@Blaze6108 All x86 patents expire in year 2026, I believe. That means full emulation is possible then. RISC-V seems to be the future of all CPUs, including IoT, cloud and desktop, if the funding is there.

Yes indeed, but they are not relevant in the Consumer PC space :)

I thought via was Nvidia now or is that just me

@@arthemis1039 Elbrus WILL be relevant in the consumer PC space. Some russian youtubers already have access to them and are able to play AAA games on them.

@@sharoyveduchi I hope you are right !

Both Apple and Microsoft are moving to Arm. So in a couple of years we will have many more options for the PC

No, just some people are too lazy to find the correct pronunciation: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Malr_1Gx62Q.html

We should retaliate by pronouncing Intel as "EYEN-tel" (as in Einstein) the same manner as Hank Marvin used to pronounce Jean Michel Jarre as "Gin Mitchel Jar... Eh" because Jarre himself pronounced Hank as "Onk" :)

This reminds me of how I say the company Asus' name as Ay-suss (A + Suss, as in sustainable) instead of Linus' Ay-Soos. What Linus says sounds odd to me.

That "Seericks" pronunciation made me question my tech trivia knowledge base for a moment... 😅 Incidentally, in my neck of the woods Asus is usually pronounced "Ah-Soos" due to language convention... 😅

I think it just depends on your region/country. Heard a guy the other day pronounce Linux with a long "I" sound like Linus except with an "X"

Sameeee

@Hexor nah

So what's funny?...mistakes are everywhere

@@anmol9886 Still funny to me.

@@applesilicon6863 algorithm so drunk that it's influencing RU-vid's code

@@applesilicon6863 yeet

On mobile it can mismatch comments with the wrong videos, it's pretty weird for a few minutes while you try to figure what the heck people are talking about.

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-dQw4w9WgXcQ.html

Unless it's Elon musk ofc :p Imagine if he could though oml

bruh

More like licensing. The idea that implementing an instruction set would be a copyright or patent violation is completely insane to me, but because it is legally untreated ground no one wants to take the risk, and the judicial branch has never taken a position despite how obviously important this is. Government inaction is great isn't it.

That is not correct. Cash is not the prime factor here. The issue is that the x86 architecture is needed, which is licensed by intel, which means, that yes you need money, but even then you need a shit ton of it for all the engineers and whatnot. You can also just make RISC-V CPUs, or AMR CPUs. The problem is that they don't directly support x86 programs. Their instructionsets are different. They use a different basic language for the CPU if that makes it easier to understand. Every program needs to be compiled for these with fingers crossed that you won't have to make massive changes. But even just looking at x86 we had problems for AMD Ryzen which for some programs took years to fix because of some differences like the infinity fabric. It's not just money. It's a lot of many weird things. And the problem is that x86 is a very old (and shitty imo) architecture, that is owned by one company, that theoretically can be forced to license it to others, but the cost of entry is just way too high. If it was a open source architecture like RISC-V that this would make things easier for competitors to arise. Which also makes me wonder why apple didn't go this route.

Who are you asking?

Samir Naga... Naga ... Naga... Not gonna work here anymore, anyway

See-rix

I knew someone who worked for them, he pronounced it Sigh-Ricks. And yes, I am old AF.

LOL I don't think anybody knows I've heard all 3: sir-ix seer-ix sy-rix

You should check out the channel LowSpecGaming, covers all of the processors you mentioned(including ARM) other than the Motorola 68000

There already are. Everyone's phones have CPUs. Almost all of them Arm cores in Qualcomm SoCs fabbed by TSMC, but, hey, it's at least one...

Are those 2 cpus really worth that much?

@@Clangdon0148 Yeah, 10900k about $600, plus a threadripper, which depending on the model could go anywhere from $1400 to $4000

@@_rileyweaver_637 ah ok, I couldn’t tell what the Ryzen cpu was

in your universe they showed it a year earlier

@Belagerungsmörser the Sheep but this ''politics" thing is 1 year old or since this Trump shit got the job.

@Belagerungsmörser the Sheep peaceful

@@aditya_gupta are you from Ireland cuz I might know you

@@mrdefaultynoob nah.... I'm a lonely loser

The State. That thing is an old, archaic, barbarous relic. Ancient, outdated, and obsolete! Unlike like the Gold that I hold. 😀

Because there are many more...

Yeah it barely touche Don it but licenses and probably because it's a very capital intensive industry

@WhatTheHell AmIDoingWithMyLife The US cannot forbid other countries from making CPU's, even x86 ones, China produces x86 CPU's for their own internal market using old Cyrex/Via tech. The real reason for so few CPU makers, is that modern CPU's are VERY VERY hard to do, not everyone has the tech and the people to do it, no matter if they cared for patents or not.

Because programmers and operating systems developers used to code for the CPUs of these two companies only. So basically, a CPU without a programmer is useless.

The American implementation of capitalism privileges the convenience of the consumer rather than the health of competing companies. That creates strong winner-takes-all dynamics. Intel created the x86, and once they grew big enough not to need second-source manufacturers anymore, they took arguably illegal steps (anti-trust law violations, lots of lawsuits and investigations and multi-billion-dollar deals to resolve them) to ensure that companies that wanted the fastest x86 processors couldn’t go to other companies for the not-fastest processors. AMD limped along on the back of third-tier manufacturers and PC enthusiasts, especially when they merged with NexGen in 1996 and started making processors that were competitive with the Intel processors of the time. The K7 Athlon was sometimes faster than the fastest Intel processors, and was a major turning point. It enabled them to overcome Intel’s monopolistic hold on the PC manufacturers. But AMD is still far smaller than Intel, not capable of producing nearly as many chips. Basically, Intel’s aggressive and arguably illegal tactics starved the other x86 chip makers so they couldn’t invest the money to keep up, and AMD managed to hang on long enough for the anti-trust cases to resolve in their favor.

"two" != "mono"

Hello from the future! You were spot on! The high performance-per-Watt threat from Apple, Nvidia (Ampere), Broadcomm and others has forced AMD to innovate the most powerful and efficient chips we've ever seen, especially in the mobile and server spaces! And with RISC-V getting a ton of attention lately, it's looking like the processor landscape is shaping up to be more diverse than it's been since the 1980s!

Very yes. IBM: All the yes.

Definitely yes

Apple never Gave their CPU’s to anyone , If they did , most flagships would’ve been using their A-series chips rather than Snapdragon

Doesn't apple have the single most powerful CPU that you can put in a phone

@@cybercery5271 Kinda. Qualcomm is a little bit better now with the s21

@@TheLoy71 and he is not American.

Holy cow thanks for pointing this out

yea that is so funny

At least they're doing auto captions again. I thought they were giving up on that, as most videos I've been watching lately don't have them, even if they have no other captions. Here I was thinking that Pornhub vs. blind people suit would result in sites having to be more accessible, note lss.

@@nobody7817 Not at the time when this video was released. It was only Korean.

At least it isn't another video with Vietnamese auto captions.

For sure. I studied ECET in college and my professors summed up how hard any electronic chip fabrication was. Something along the lines of, “The first chip cost 2 million dollars, the rest are $1 each”.

@@Frizzy9000 Nanoscale transistors and fabrication.

Surprised Amazon hasn't tried to get involved. They seem to like destroying every other industry.

@@TraumaER yeah, except the phone industry especially the phone industry

yea, this is like buzz feed for tech enthusiasts, lol

There are only companies making X86 cpus because of patents. It's practically illegal for any company to make X86 cpus because they would be violating a Intel or AMD patent. Same thing with ARM, PowerPCS, Snapdragon CPUs etc. They are all monopolies.

@@owainkanaway8345 well yeah, patents limit use of x86, but well somebody could use x86 without breaching patents as older patents have expired, x86-64 on the other hand is harder to do as those patents won't expire for pretty long time

Oh, you can thank markets and Bitcoin for that. Bitcoin created the first overwhelming demand for GPUs which, paired with ebay, showed sellers how much they could charge for GPUs while still moving units. Why keep selling top tier units when you can price the 2080 Ti at $1200 and still sell tons with a higher margin and greater profits? So you can thank cryptocurrencies and gamers who will pay out the ass for hardware from scalpers for the endlessly inflating GPU prices.

Was just wondering this. Bought a $200 laptop today that runs like garbage but for $400 I could have gotten top of the line back in 2010.

@@olsonbryce777 Top of the line for 400$ laptop? That’s bullshit, even in 2010.

@@Demmrir Ethereum created the demands for GPUs. Bitcoin was mined in CPUs first, then ASICs

bought*, That's*, missed a quote before "That's*"

@@CreeperPookie Thanks, Mr Spell Checker

@@AlexeiDimitri No problem.

In Intel’s case, there were arguably illegal contracts with customers. Like how Microsoft made it expensive for large PC companies to preinstall operating systems other than Windows, Intel made it expensive for large PC companies to offer PCs with CPUs other than Intel.

for a sec , i thought its radbrad

@@edeshkumar9686 me too

Why do you have theradbrad profile picture

@@alertsaucer4104 he's my inspiration. So I used it

is this bot comment too?

It's cute that you think Linus doesn't have people to do that for him.

@Yitzy He wouldn't have time to do anything else. So I don't take that literally.

@@patrickweaver1105 Ppl believe the dumbest of things...

@@bsigns1935 nah b

Thank God

That's one of life's great mysteries

Ha!

ARM is RISC ...

ARM = Nvidia

Both Intel and AMD cpus are internally RISC. Even Ryzen have a separate ARM cpu for its Platform Security Processor.

Because having too many is how you get Hitler to win with only 30% of the vote. Too many options means that good options can get lost in the mess. That’s how trump became the republican nominee in 2016 and Biden in 2020. Both parties has way better options and both nominees weren’t super popular in the early primaries.

@@ryanhamstra49 Do you seriously believe that? I mean, the whole of Europe has multiple parties, and that has nothing to do with totalitarian regimes. And who is Trump representing? There's quite a bunch of old school Republicans who can't bear with his ways, and for good reasons. The system in the US is no better than its counterparts in this aspect.

@@nehylen5738 a vast majority of the people who voted for trump didn’t really like him, but when the opposing party spends years attacking everything you stand for you are willing to vote for him instead of someone who straight up says they wanna take away your rights and shut you down just because they disagree with you, even if he says stupid stuff and is a bad person.

@@ryanhamstra49 I feel like either way the minority wins over the majority

@@nehylen5738 I knew plenty of people who didn’t like Hillary but voted for her because they were afraid of what trump would do. And I’m not saying that the 2 party system is a good option, because it’s obviously not working out too well. I am saying that having too many political parties can easily cause an extremist to win with a very small percentage of the vote because the 3 other good options split the vote 3 ways.

Not only that nitendo, Xbox and PlayStation are RGB tho

AMD is green. RTG is Red.

Holy music stops

I think apple also uses Intel CPU‘s... Correct me

@@usuckmf3488 They also develop their own M chips

@@דיפי That's not desktop yet

@@deadlypyre with the mac mini yes

@@mastenn those aren't ment to be actual desktops bruh

@Lycan And the emphasis of maintaining a consistent data type and never intermingle floats unless you really want those imprecisions. Cyrix didn't expect simulations and their critical need of floats.

This was only a history of x86 CPUs.

@@MaddTheSane This would only be the case if the title did not say "Why are there only TWO CPU companies" which means Intel AND AMD. And since they are talking about why there are no other CPU companies, it stands to reason that they mention the other major CPU manufacturer of the 80's and 90's (exclusive OEM to Apple) that didn't make it since that is what the whole video topic is about.

Its not about fun. If there is only one giant everybody wants to be the next giant or the giant killer.

Has literally nothing to do with rt lol

Together AMD and Intel have like 99.9% of the market share. Other companies exist but they aren't relevant and you won't find their parts at Microcenter or Best Buy.

Yes they do, unfortunately "Technically they still exists" is about all you can say about them now with there last CPU coming out in 2011 and being low performance and higher TPD than Atoms of the time and the new one they were working on late in 2019 for release in late 2020 suffering from the cures that was 2020

Yeah remember them on early 2000 on some laptops, usually cheaper than Intel counterparts. Even back then, Intel's price are higher than the competition. But now they are practically gone on PC consumer space. They probably still make chips on appliances, small devices especially IoT. But not anymore on general purpose computing, or at least not most PC's.

To be fair they probably couldn’t sell them because of the Soc type construction making them basically the entire motherboard

This ^^

Apple makes more profit by not paying someone else to design their cpus, and takes a part of the cut they would normally have paid intel. Apple isn't a fab company to sell CPUs. It's a basic misunderstanding of what's going on. Apple isn't competing in CPU space for sales, they're just moving to distinguish their products and keep a bigger cut of the supply chain themselves.

@@randommcranderson5155 Also, moving away from the x86 instruction set effectively kills off the Hackintosh market, which is something that Apple has been actively pursuing ever since they switched to Intel from PowerPC.

@@randommcranderson5155 looking at the design of m1, the benefit of apple making their own cpu is beyond just hardware and software optimization, m1 definitely doesn’t care about the cost of the cpu considering it have double the amount of instruction and huge modern reorder buffers in order to significantly increase the instruction per cycle. considering m1 3.2 ghz is almost as fast as zen 3 4.5 ghz and skylake at around 5.6 ghz.

They still do :)

sorta do, just know them as lenovo nowadays. They got bought out.

They sort of do and don’t. IBM used to make x86 processors, and they don’t do that anymore. IBM still makes their own designs of CPU for mainframes, the POWER10. But they don’t fabricate it; they’ve outsourced it to Samsung like NVIDIA. IBM also used to make PCs, but they sold that division to Lenovo. I don’t think the PC division came with the x86 manufacturing license.

my second CPU was a Cyrix. tried to upgrade my 166mmx with a cyrix socket 7 running at 233mhz or something.. it was fine, but no literally no faster. got a P2 and that was that.

@@davidjgreer9477 Same, my first was a 486DX 66mhz, and the second one was a Cyrix 5x86 running at I think 100mhz. My friend had an actual Pentium 100 and it was noticeably better at running Quake than mine, even though according to Cyrix they should have been identical. I ended up going back to Intel and staying there. They're reliable.

funny thing: I interned at VIA over the summer and I asked them about their x86 division. Apparently they just gave up a few years back bc it wasn't profitable, but currently Zhaoxin pays them $$$ to develop using their license.

Bro, calm down If not, they gonna think we're crazy just because our country's name is on it XD

Yo you noticed it just now? Made in Malaysia/Made in Costa Rica cpus are known to be trustable.

@TwinTurbo Ray well gee, look who's on the higher food chain. "You people costs nothing per hour" what about china? Most company went there for cheap labor too. Same goes for other SEA countries. At least people have a job. A job where they can feed their family so if you've been living without worrying about your money being spent, you better be thankful for that, not act high and mighty and look down on other people

No one takes apple seriously , it's just a toy for.spoiled kids