Why Ariel Posen Plays 17-64 Guitar Strings

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We've been working with singer/songwriter, internationally-renowned guitarist & producer Ariel Posen for years now and in that time, we've fielded countless questions from players about the wild gauge of guitar strings he plays, and why. So, we met up with Ariel at Nashville's Carter Vintage Guitars and asked him.
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@Stringjoy 5 лет назад

And yes, there is a casual Dumble Overdrive Special hanging there the whole time... These are the things that happen when you hang out at Carter Vintage.

@zacharycollins6548 4 года назад

First thing I noticed. Yeah, I'm a guitar whore.

@AllThingsSpring 4 года назад

Started watching, first thing out of my mouth was “Is that a real Dumble?”

@sentientcardboarddumpster7900 4 года назад

@@zacharycollins6548 which one is it?

@TheVirginianRambler 4 года назад

Being Alex an overdrive special... read the comment man...

@sentientcardboarddumpster7900 4 года назад

@@TheVirginianRambler I'm asking where it is on the screen. I did read the comment that's why I'm asking.

@baaford 4 года назад

Pretty cool I suppose, but I find anything below 19's to be a beginner gauge. If you still have your fingerprints you're not doing it right. Your guitar should be covered in blood after every session. I have blood transfusions booked in advance.

@MK4vDubbin 4 года назад

Barkyshards Finally, a professional weighs in.

@trentkraemer7109 4 года назад

Bass players be like:

@keremayan452 4 года назад

Barkyshards look at his nails. They cracked so they're too small.

@zaned861 4 года назад

I have wrapped my fingertips in bass strings because my 24's were getting a lil rough

@King-sd5vg 4 года назад

Right, cause if you're not playing guitar with bridge cables it's not the same

@ianabraham8031 4 года назад

Time to invest in a second lapel mic

@HubLocationSound 4 года назад

Ian Abraham ha exactly the first thing I noticed. Spent too much time on camera and lighting and not enough on pesky sound 😬

@ianabraham8031 4 года назад

Guitar sounded great tho so specially seeing he’s using the cables they use to support the Golden Gate Bridge

@flintmcmanly 4 года назад

I'd love to see the interviewer lean over and talk in to Ariel's neck to get some mic volume every time he asks a question.

@gradygordon453 3 года назад

Nice use of the word 'lapel'

@therootb 3 года назад

@@HubLocationSound I mean, if you actually look, he's got a lapel mic. Obviously it was just a mistake and his input wasn't recorded.

@shawnmatthews5118 4 года назад

Now, tune it to E and watch the neck snap!

@vodkavolvo5529 4 года назад

Shawn Matthews haha 😂 😂😂😂

@Barabyk 4 года назад

I currently do :) 17-20-26-42-54-68. In E. Neck is ok.

@MultiParasite 4 года назад

@@Barabyk What scale length?

@Barabyk 4 года назад

MultiParasite 25.5 - standard tele.

@awonderingoneil206 4 года назад

What's E? L0L

@iFireender 4 года назад

so he's basically playing a really heavy 7 string set, without using the 1 string. got it.

@pedrosoares7273 4 года назад

Yeah, I used to play at B standard and can't really remember the first string I used, but the last was 66. It was totally fine, had the same tension as a 49 at standard I think

@DareBear2099 4 года назад

Peter he’s playing a short scale baritone

@matthewharris2838 Год назад

Heavy. Sir I'm using a 15-85 set on my 7 string in double drop d

@MK4vDubbin 4 года назад

He’s tuned to B standard so these strings are nothing insane but cool video nonetheless!

@MattW05 4 года назад

Me playing 8s: sweating nervously

@mcmstralex6431 4 года назад

I’ve never played 8s I can’t even stand playing 9s lol

@cashlandrumful 3 года назад

I just started playing 8's and they are awesome! You can pull'em like Hell!

@PeeFunk2008 3 года назад

Me as a bassist playing 11s in D standard: quite comfortable

@najmihakimkhairi1210 3 года назад

@@PeeFunk2008 what? How you put 11 gauge in bass

@southernpride2003 4 месяца назад

I don't even use the light gauge the only light gauge I use is 11s 12s 13s anything 10s 9s 8s feels too floppy like I'm playing noodles I use Thomastik flatwound strings

@irishRocker1 4 года назад

If he doesn't do any bends then guage doesn't really matter lol Also could they only afford one mic? 🤣

@jomesias 4 года назад

martyfriedman666 exactly! If bends aren’t needed the gauge can be more flexible

@BurntMcgurnt 5 лет назад

Man cool video but extremely quiet!

@danejurus69 4 года назад

I would have liked a 17 minute video to include more than just 20 seconds of playing.

@casperl6812 4 года назад

Bet he can give CPR to a grown man with his pinkies, respect

@Hayden_Freeman 3 года назад

you know how everything is so loud when your parents are asleep? well i plugged this video into my 69 deluxe reverb, cranked it up to 11 and pressed play. my parents are still asleep.

@sirspongadoodle 6 месяцев назад

Nice

@michaels2136 4 года назад

Short answer: he essentialy plays the lowest six strings on a 7 string guitar.

@JoeyWillenbucher 4 года назад

So a baritone guitar basically

@seviren 4 года назад

This video could be 2-3 minutes long. "I tuned down to B and I like to use a slide... bye now."

@joeredtree 4 года назад

try just tuning your normal guitar with normal strings with normal action down to that and say how simple it is

@seviren 4 года назад

@@joeredtree I'm saying its obvious you need larger strings for lower tunings. That was one of the first things I learned on guitar (we covered a lot of metal in highschool).

@bjornegan6421 3 года назад

@@seviren it could be a shorter video, but a lot of nerds and fans like hearing more.

@dangeorge809 25 дней назад

@@bjornegan6421 Except you can't hear anything

@Nherdvous 4 года назад

“I don’t like a guitar to be easy to play.”. What?!

@Hedgehog1039 4 года назад

I understand to some degree. When it just bends and flexes all over the place it feels wrong. If it doesn't have tension and pressure it feels wrong to me. I really don't enjoy playing strings lower than 11s all that much.

@jomesias 4 года назад

Lol I think the same, I’m still stuck in the hair metal days with 008’s and I love them! Hand strength changes by individual and throughout the years! So this is a very personal choice

@Ren-ck3cl 4 года назад

I like my electric to feel as close to acoustic as feasible, I prefer bending tighter strings.

@KaninTuzi 4 года назад

Especially for those who play and practice with an acoustic guitar a lot, it can feel really strange to play those light gauges. Indeed, some things are easier with heavy gauge strings, like making open chords sound good or getting lines to sound clear

@jomesias 4 года назад

@@KaninTuzi somethings are easier with heavier gauges, but bending is not one of them. Depends on what youre looking for!!

@joshuabsmith1991 4 года назад

Correct me if I'm wrong but he said b tuning so is he just trying to get baritone octave tuning on a standard scale with a bigger gauge.

@yungsleepy8607 4 года назад

I use 13-62 because I tune to C standard for the same reason

@w1third 4 года назад

josh smith yes

@ynzsbstn 4 года назад

Basically yes, lmao

@zacharywilliams3631 4 года назад

@@yungsleepy8607 try 12-56 and use and 80 instead of the 56. That's what I use for c standard.

@HenriLaroco 4 года назад

josh smith i think his guitar is a custom built one and apparently the way it’s made gives the same tension as 11s on a 25.5” scale even though he uses a thicker gauge. I dunno how the luthier did it though

@MilianMalivukMusic 4 года назад

I love how this blows the traditional guitarists' heads off and in the metal scene these gauges have been absolutely normal for the last decade to say the least.

@Newnodrogbob 4 года назад

The guys who are blown away aren’t thinking about the tension (or lack thereof) when you’re tuning down a major 4th. *edit: perfect 4th. Which I know, I just had a dumbass moment.

@dondod1959 4 года назад

Was looking for this comment, love your Channel by the way

@woolgum 4 года назад

Yeah, haha. I’ve been using heavy gauges for 24 years. Metal of course. B standard.

@zackcoffmanguitar 4 года назад

Dude shut up. Such a dumb comment.

@oskarileikos 4 года назад

@@woolgum B standard so basically a baritone guitar tuning?

@rapscallion52 5 лет назад

dear god, I set the volume for the speech and then he starts playing the guitar and OW!

@GL-zi2rr 4 года назад

Scared me, dog

@djabroni_brochacho4644 4 года назад

He looks like Slosh, but if he had self confidence.

@itsjive 4 года назад

Albert De Castro Ahh yes... the guy who plays Sweat Chold off Mind. Classic...

@LiamDarden 3 года назад

@@itsjive Easily the best comment I've seen in months 😂

@augiemesa9429 5 лет назад

And I tried you guys to experiment with 8's and even a plain 4th on my seven string. Haha. Great stuff, either way. Love your strings and picks! You guys rock.

@Ryan_Perrin 4 года назад

I'm sorry... but how did the audio end up so inconsistent?

@JMEAUS22 4 года назад

Only one microphone

@TheIndieGameDev 4 года назад

17 top, 20 plain, 30 wound third, 40, 52, 64

@ZootaAndrewMahera 2 года назад

i used 8s even on acoustic when i started .i still remember how shocked i am when i found out most rock guitarist use 10s 😂.Now im using 11 flats on archtop(for jazz) depending on the scale length i also use 9s and 10s for blues and rock

@michaeltaylors2456 4 года назад

Oh , dee- tuned , never mind clicky clicky bait

@woolgum 4 года назад

I went the other way. 20 years with heavy gauges. Now it’s 9-42 for E standard and 11-52 for D standard. For B standard it’s 13-62.

@hangingchad_ Год назад

I guess I'm not too far off. I'm using 10-52's in D-standard, and it works perfectly for me. I'm wanting to tune my Tele down to C (maybe B...), and I'm here trying to figure out what guages to try. I might just start by seeing how low I can go with heavy bottom 12's.🤔

@woolgum Год назад

@@hangingchad_ might be a bit loose, but it’s easy to test. :)

@Hello_there_obi 4 года назад

People talk like heavier strings are better and more mature. Complete bullshit. Most of the greats played 8s and even 7s. But Ariel is unique and does it because it suits his playing and he genuinely prefers it for his style. But if youre playing heavier strings because stevie ray Vaughn did, rethink your approach. Also, stevie had really bad hand problems by the end of it.

@musiccreation1198 5 месяцев назад

AP ... What a creative approach to playing !!

@stevenblakeakahashburns 4 года назад

I use 13s on my warlock for a dropped C But that’s metal This guy plays soulful slide which is deeply beautiful

@jordanmayer5932 4 года назад

I use 17-68 on my guitar for doom/sludge. Bstandard/drop A

@jayceorourke5672 4 года назад

Yeee, I use 12-60 drop C#

@Ramble1234 4 года назад

@@jayceorourke5672 13-60 D standard!

@guitorb 4 года назад

How often does Posen have his guitars refretted?

@Memry-Man 4 года назад

Stainless steel frets a must

@richardupyurass2379 4 года назад

The audio sounds sucks.. way too low

@luthiervandros 4 года назад

To each his own. I don’t like it.

@owningbog54gaming79 4 года назад

I like a fight.... How many times we heard that bull?

@FakingANerve 4 года назад

@Toxic Potato I don't know about you, but I'm Kevin.

@garrettramsey643 4 года назад

Toxic Potato my name is Garrett

@georgewilliams2152 4 года назад

It's not really bull, considering he still overbent a note its pretty clear he needs that extra tension.

@randyc5650 4 года назад

@@georgewilliams2152 He bent a note?

@josuastangl7140 4 года назад

His 2nd lowest string is tuned to E with a 52 on a 25,5" neck. That's what comes with a regular 012 set. So effectively he'd play 12s in E standard. Mistery solved.

@rferguson3 3 года назад

*mystery

@AnkurWow 4 года назад

I always thought he was fighting his guitar a bit more than others, and now we know why...

@Divine_Serpent_Geh Год назад

17-64 is honestly not bad at all for Standard B. I personally like less tension on the high strings, but for a low B, 64 is as low as I’d go.

@mikejamieson4252 3 года назад

I play 25-93 on my strats at open jams the bass player always walks off the stage

@MyDemon32 Год назад

That's a Bass VI you're playing.

@gaboxd4407 4 года назад

I play with 13/62 in A standard and i thought my strings were thick as fucc already

@Memry-Man 4 года назад

A=432, but yeah same here man!

@cyberprimate 10 месяцев назад

One fundamental thing that's not mentioned here is the problem of inharmonicity of thick strings as you shorten the scale length. The very thick strings on a short scale length don't sound as good as thinner strings ultimately, and they sound really dull and wrong passed the 12th fret. Piano makers know that, and that's why short pianos don't sound as good as long pianos. But I understand that Ariel Posen prefers the playing feel of a short neck baritone especially if he doesn't play too often the thick strings passed the 12th fret.

@garonmartin1756 4 года назад

Just get a baritone...

@brazzzzz 4 года назад

17 min video. 30 seconds of guitar playing

@RjBenjamin353 4 года назад

Wait till you hit 40 and your hand is all fucked up with surgeries because of tendinitis

@druwk 4 года назад

12’s in D Standard (with plain 19 on the 3rd String) feel kind of like 10 1/2’s for me? I have always liked the feel of thicker strings, but putting the slack in the tuning is the key for me. Both for singing, and “feel”.

@NRG2 3 года назад

Dude, this is the truth!! I started playing bass. Even strats feel too small and floppy to me. I LOVE plucking the strings a bit harder than a normal guitar likes to be played. Thank you for helping me find the solution!!! But why not play a baritone too

@angelosanti9761 2 года назад

then it feels like a bass with the super long scale length...great sound but I believe he said in an interview he wanted it to be a normal guitar but LOWER hah

@DanielRodriguez-eh1qd 4 года назад

I play with 12s mainly because I tune to Drop C and find it’s a perfect balance of tension for me. Also I have to have a wound 3rd. An unwound third just doesn’t feel or sound right. , at least in thicker gauges. I used to use Ernie Ball beefy slinkys but didn’t like the third sting plus I would constantly break the A string. Switched to Daddarios NYXLs and now XLs light jazz strings with a wound third and have absolutely no problems with them.

@MartianDust415 2 года назад

I used to play 9's all my life but after the transition to 10's and 11's i found out heavier gauge has more "meat" for me and better tone and tunability, i mainly use 10 - 52 for drop c# and for lead playing but sometimes 11 - 48 for overall playability in Eb standart.

@mizerama1 4 года назад

Did he just say that a baritone guitar is usually 29" scale? Wow.

@BrunodeSouzaLino 4 года назад

Well, if he's playing in B standard, those strings would not be that hard in practice. I use 12s in D standard and they feel like 11s in standard. It's said that you have to go up a gauge for every half step you go down.

@garycoates4987 4 года назад

I'm more impressed with the standard tuning slide playing lol

@timwhite5562 3 года назад

I've used 11s to standard tuning for many years, I've gone down to the Eric Johnson nickel rockers, they have heavy Low E, A and G (instead oD). I broke a string and had to buy a set, they were out of the ones I used so I bought another pure nickel set that came with a 18-plain and 20-wound. I tried the wound because I never tried one (electric at least). I was really surprised to find that it sounded WAY brighter than the plain string, and I needed to bend it twice as deep to hit pitch. It lasted an hour.

@titanoboaoficial2014 3 года назад

After several experimenting years i am playing Drop D 9,13,26w,36,46,66 and i love it!!!

@tylerl8934 4 года назад

Eh, people can say what they want. Played Metalcore/ progressive/ post hardcore/ djent stuff for several years. Now I’m cool with 10s in E standard.

@11calman 3 года назад

Nice video clip mate, I Saw the Dumble overdrive, then went straight to my Mosky od and played???

@jackman00110101 5 лет назад

Oh my god the dumble

@ricstormwolf 4 года назад

Who is this dude?? I've never heard of him 🤔

@gradygordon453 3 года назад

Seems like the first time he's hearing of himself as well

@williamvaclavik8035 2 года назад

Didn’t think there was such a beast. Fingers have to hurt

@bobc.5698 2 года назад

Do you have to tune down the bass too?

@PhilHeesen 5 лет назад

Awesome video with two awesome dudes!

@1349-o2m 4 года назад

Dallas from Nile plays 13-70 in drop A, Karl from Nile plays 10-70

@Divine_Serpent_Geh Год назад

Yeah those guys like a light butter feel on the high strings, but tight and crisp in the low A.

@1bh2nd3md 3 года назад

I use .069 - .420 strings in standard tuning

@jcwab 3 года назад

Nice 👍

@yoshiki.g1450 3 года назад

This is a true man's string. Only real men can handle it. 💪😎

@_black_bird 4 года назад

Impressive, but can he play 8's?

@Julian66666666666666 4 года назад

Um, why go with so much tension on the thin strings? I tend to go pretty fucked up on the bass side but keep the treble side as thin as I can get away with (use 85-13 on drop A#)

@rmp5s Год назад

17s?...tuned to standard E?...on a normal 25"-ish scale guitar? WTF? lol

@Tonetwisters Год назад

I am a longtime fan of Stringjoys ... closest thing I have seen to the old Gibson 340/340L Sonomatics ... Oh yeh. BIG strings sound SO much better.

@kurtlonde5892 Год назад

... yes.... it s a little fight... and you can hear it.... it s nothing for me... I ve 11 on a gibson and 11 first on a Fender...but only the the first... the rest are from the 10 s and I forgot after a while about the 11 s on the first... but 2 days ago I played something special with bending on the first and suddenly I thought... wow... what a great sound... than I remember... so maybe I try the next... the second with the thicker string

@arnieslab 4 года назад

Everybody buy strings so they can make enough money to buy microphones. If you buy 17’s maybe you can kiss your own ass for almost 20 minutes talking about them on RU-vid!

@NehemiahHughes 4 года назад

I mean, it’s different to use those gauges on a 6 but those are regular 7, 8 & 9 string guitar gauges so it’s nothing new.

@malamute8257 Год назад

Lets see how he likes that fight when his style of playing involves ever bending a minor third lol

@jeremywilliams5514 Месяц назад

“I like a fight when I play” is maybe the worst bar of all time after Drake Summer 2024

@christopherwade1573 2 года назад

Haha every post hardcore kid from Long Island circa 2000-2007 learned this from dropping c and being a whole step down for every record

@yairdombb4383 5 лет назад

Scott, you have no volume without the beard :(

@Stringjoy 5 лет назад

😂

@tremelo68 5 лет назад

yeah, sounds like your lav mic wasn't on or working right... too bad.

@Stringjoy 5 лет назад

The gain was set really low on my lav so we couldn't turn it up much without getting a ton of noise. Was a bummer, but thought the video still deserved to see the light of day.

@tremelo68 5 лет назад

Totally agree. Didn’t ruin it for me.

@Mike-hu1gq 5 лет назад

@@tremelo68 Glad it didn't ruin it for you but it sure did for me. So much technical beauty around them and they can't get a mic right?? It really wasn't done well at all.

@damianrjames Год назад

Play 14-60 on my SG in C# standard, only mild OD… sounds so fat and warm.. thinking of going up to 15-62…

@slowedpulse646 3 года назад

He's just playing a 7 string without the first string. lol.

@sirspongadoodle 6 месяцев назад

“Sounds fuller” “sounds huge” big gauge strings sound worse than light, rick beato did a video on the topic…

@lespaul6550 4 года назад

Great video! Thanks for posting it. I like it even better that it brought a whole lot of guitards out of the woodwork "joking" about his choice of gauges. That's priceless

@Aeon135 2 года назад

Disappointed when they say it’s for B standard. The tension is less than 13s in standard. Was hoping he actually played with bridge cable tension

@tonywhetham8165 4 года назад

Not a tele guy but did a promo video for the new Tele Ultra.

@dennismeyers2008 9 месяцев назад

Almost zero time spent actually letting us hear the strings. And your mics need work. Great strings though!

@TheAjCalvillo 2 года назад

So not to knock Ariel at all, because he’s an phenomenal guitarist, but basically…is he using a baritone guitar at this point being in B standard?

@King-sd5vg 4 года назад

The guy seems cool but it would also be cool if we could hear the questions that he was ask or thr guitar audio was capture by a different mic and mixed so it doesn't sound like dog shit

@LarkVsOwl-de3op 3 года назад

Comments made me not watch this. I saw someone enjoying playing 7-38 and he looked so amazed and overjoyed.

@johnathanwetherill456 5 лет назад

Well fuck . He tunes down to B . I was thinking no way he could play 17s . I used to do 13s at standard and that was hard .

@user-gu9cb2ql4r 4 года назад

stevie ray vaughn is quaking in his boots right now

@cdreyes81 4 года назад

@kurt8263 4 года назад

Damn, when he played I was actually pleasantly surprised how good it does sound. So FAT and SRV vibes.. if I lived closer to a guitar tech I would try some of this too.

@martinheath5947 4 года назад

Setting up a guitar is something anybody can learn to do. Having a guitar tech is great but isn't essential. All the information is available for you on youtube to go for it yourself and put heavier gauges on.

@kurt8263 4 года назад

Martin Heath well, going to a luther today because my acoustic is having resonance and intonation issues.

@dbo4506 4 года назад

Flatland Sounds learn to fix it yourself mate. Intonation takes 5 minutes. If you play yourself you need to learn to be self sufficient. Especially in your case being so far away from a tech. I learned how to change pups set the neck relief action and intonate all from RU-vid. Anyone can do it.

@pwkimbrell 5 лет назад

I love you guys strings! In this video it would have been great to hear some chords. I was hopeful to see how open chords would sound with those strings and tuning. I watched the whole thing but I was like, “Dang, we hardly got to hear anything but a few single note lines!”

@GoodVolition 4 года назад

I mean if your in B standard and have it set up to do so 17 inches sound playable.

@Alanoffer Год назад

I’ve been trying to use my fretting fingers along with a slide and when you get used to it’s a big opening

@HasseC 10 месяцев назад

Great, great, great guitarist, singer, songwriter, producer ... yes - it's not fair to the rest of us ... 😉

@allrequiredfields 4 года назад

String gauges has become the guitar version of dick-measuring. Here's some food for thought - all your favorite guitar players from the 60s, who changed the world with their playing and sound ALL played 9s and didn't change their strings every ten minutes. ...lol, and of course this is all being played through the Emperor's New Amp.

@jimtroeltsch5998 4 года назад

Didn't Jimi Hendrix put togther several sets of strings to get the tone he wanted?

@Mephilis78 3 года назад

Took him 20 minutes to tell you why he likes his strings......

@androidechuz 4 года назад

I’m so grateful with this video, I wouldn’t have ever hear Ariel if wasn’t for this

@TxpNoveske 4 года назад

I think the higher guage strings sound clunky. Didnt like the sound. Just my opinion.

@charlottemarceau8062 3 года назад

I find plain 3rds sound better the bigger they get, def used to dislike my plain 3rd on 9's and 10's

@jjrobiso 3 года назад

He plays it like a resonator. They have crazy heavy strings too and they need the tension for their slide play. I get it. I love it. And that stratomule is divine

@rtk90083 2 года назад

Exactly, that and the tuning he uses. Tuning down a 4th to B standard with 17 's is probably like using 11's in standard E which is still heavy for some people but def. playable.