Why Arizona Coyotes move to Utah feels awful 

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As a Kraken fan I feel for yotes fans as this is bringing back memories of when we lost the Seattle SuperSonics in 2008

The NHL appears to be replicating a Cleveland Browns strategy. Move to another market. Wait until a new stadium is built, return to the original city with a new team, same name.

When your farm team has a larger arena than your NHL club. Ugh.

Arizona has had 20 yrs plus to get this figured out and continue to fell. Salt Lake City has a great fan base and Wyoming as well. This gives us another team in the Rocky mountain region and that's a good thing. Salt Lake City is a beautiful city and they will be supported and hopefully they keep their name and colors and this will be their final home. My heart breaks for their fans but for the health of this franchise, this is a great step forward.

As a Southern California native and die hard Anaheim Ducks fan…I don’t want the Coyotes to leave Arizona.

As a former season ticketholder and PA announcer of the HARTFORD WHALERS, I totally empathize with the fans of the Coyotes. We lost our team in 1997 because our two time convicted felon, Governor John Rowland sacrificed the Whale in order to pursue the Patriots. Obviously, he lost both. Gary Bettman loves big markets. The NHL will eventually return to Auston Matthews' home state. That will be Bettman's swan song before he finally, belatedly retires. (Thank God!)

12:00 I asked some Arizona fans on Reddit. They said they would rather keep the team BUT if the team leaves and they get a new team, they want the current ownership to have no part in it, which is honestly fair.

The hockey team came here to Arizona through relocation, now we may lose the team due to relocation. As they say, what goes around comes around.

I live in Nottingham (England), home of the Nottingham Panthers EIHL team, we have an arena that has a capacity of 6500 for hockey games, it's regularly been sold out over the years since it opened, it blew my mind to realise that my local team would have MORE fans attending than an actual NHL team could have!!

This is basically the Atlanta thrashers all over again

Winnipegger here. Was a fan from the very beginning - the 1972 WHA Jets. It broke my heart when they left for Phoenix. I feel the same way now for the fans of the team. I don't get the people celebrating (except for SLC. I totally get them celebrating). Much love to all those fans who are going through all the emotions right now. I feel for you guys.

We don’t care to have a new Coyotes team in a few years. We finally have a young talented team that we’ve been waiting for for years and now we are losing them?! Getting a new group does not make me feel any better. Having our team keep the Coyotes name and move to Utah would make me feel better! It’s not about the name or the logo, it’s the players.

The problem with Mullett Arena was that the Tempe deal failed. It may have worked as a 1-2 year home while a new barn was definitely being built (similar to teams in other sports who temporarily move to an older or smaller venue while their permanent home is built), but when the Tempe deal fell through and there was no viable exit strategy, the team would have been best off begging Glendale to let them in, because the Gila River Arena was (when I last went there like 10 years ago) a perfectly acceptable NHL level venue. Not the best in the league but certainly not the worst.

It's been 27 seasons (26 played) since the Original Winnipeg Jets moved to Arizona... The KC Scouts (2)/Colorado Rockies (6) got 19 combined less seasons before moving to NJ finally The California Golden Seals (9)/Cleveland Barons (2) got 16 less combined seasons combined before being essentially folded into the Minnesota North Stars. Atlanta based teams had 8 less combined seasons (Flames 8, Thrashers 11) before moving to Calgary & Winnipeg. The Minnesota North Stars had 2 less seasons (24) before the Sharks were created (an expansion, yes, but it was pretty much the Sharks getting the Seals Franchise in essence) and the same number of played seasons before moving to Texas due to the same struggles and Norm Green's dalliances (and a few other things) The Original Winnipeg Jets and Quebec Nordiques had 16 and 17 NHL seasons before moving due to the depressed Canadian dollar and contracts being all based in USD The Hartford Whalers had 18 seasons before moving since in spite of a lot of controversy surrounding the pre-move state of affairs. Draw your own conclusions.

I feel bad for being excited, as a Utah hockey fan. 2028 is a long way away and the thought of being able to go see NHL games like an hour from my apartment as early as this fall is genuinely a thrill. At the exact same time, my heart hurts for the fans in Arizona. This team has literally had arena woes for most of my adult life. They deserve better and I was happy for them when it looked like the land auction was just a formality and the team finally got the break they needed. Hopefully the talk of Meruelo getting first dibs on expansion if he can get the arena situation figured out is true. I want EVERY good fanbase to be well-served. (They're almost all good fanbases to be frank, even low attendance isn't always reflective of poor fan support.)

The damage done to the franchise happened long before the current owner. He at least appears to have the money to make the team work if they get the stadium thing worked out. As a Canadian who lived through the near destruction of Canadian hockey across all the former WHA markets, including almost losing the Oilers to Houston, I have mixed feelings about these former Canadian franchises. I used to really dislike the Coyotes because they were grabbed from Winnipeg in a moment of business weakness not fan disinterest. But as I have gotten older I have come to understand both the business side and the fan side from the Phoenix area perspective. Those fans of the team as you said did nothing wrong other than get constantly screwed over with bad owners making terrible choices. And like Winnipeg are the losers here. It took Winnipeg 16 years to get a team back, Quebec City will likely never get another one. And for that I am sad for them and it feels unfair. However Phoenix can be a functioning hockey market just as viable as the one in Dallas, Nashville, San Jose (if you exclude the current issues), LA and Vegas. Some good teams, long term success and maybe a cup here and there and you can survive and thrive in these markets. I think in this case you HAVE to move the franchise but keep the team and name in Phoenix (Metro) maybe get the owner to get his stuff sorted on the arena and come back hopefully stronger than ever.

1993 was the year my NHL team the Minnesota North Stars moved to Dallas. I was really hurt when they left.

Recently it has been clarified that they left Glendale because the couldn't come to terms on the length of the new lease agreement. Not unpaid bills.

To me, it doesn’t feel awful. When the board of governors, the PA, and others all voice their concerns and whatnot (especially about playing in mullett arena for possibly 3 more years), theres only so much bettman can do for advocating to have hockey in Arizona before having to admitting defeat

I've watched you on the Sharks broadcasts, the Sharks have a great broadcast team. This Vancouver fan always thought San Jose was the best fan-based team in Cali. From expansion the arena was packed, the brand was loved by NHL cities. Tough times today in the cyclical world of sports, but the Sharks to me were Cali's hockey hot spot!

I am a firm believer that hockey will work anywhere and grow under the right conditions. Had the NHL not come to San Jose in the early 1990s when I was growing up there, I would not have become a hockey fan. The "right conditions" are a modern arena, competent ownership group, effective community outreach and marketing, and the on-ice product. The Yotes have had a difficult existence with nearly none of those conditions over the years; instead years of itinerant uncertainty and unending drama. I feel for the Coyotes fans who have stuck through all this BS through the years enduring "hockey the hard way" and hope they will get a new version of their team under better circumstances. As for Utah, Ryan Smith and Co. better have a solid game plan to open their new SLC arena. Delta Center would be an America West Arena style beginning to the market with basketball-specific (Barclays) sightlines, generally awful. They need to minimize their stay in that building or perhaps work out a deal to play at Maverik Center in WVC where the capacity is lower but at least more appropriate for hockey.

It's tragic. We suffer through years of inept ownership only to have an incredible team of young talent we all love and you're gonna move em to Utah where they will finally be a playoff team and probably win 1st overall in the draft lottery. At least Phoenix is amazing because being a sports fan here is not.

I believe the Utah branding applies only to MLB. That stadium project is a statewide tax. The downtown entertainment center is funded through a city wide tax.

First time hearing your takes. I’m a Utahn who rarely gets back. Love everything you had to say, great insight. Got a loyal follower!

It feels awful because they keep snubbing Houston.

Thank you for making such a great piece on the Yotes! I'm a lifelong fan, born and raised in AZ, and it really sucks to see this happen. It means a lot as a fan to see someone outside of AZ report on this with some compassion and understanding. We've dealt with some terrible owners and lots of haters, but this is different. This really hurts our community and our state. You nailed it with the "Community First" until it comes down to business. Thanks again, Brodie!

Salt Lake is really pushing to get another Winter Olympics so there is the need/desire to build a large hockey arena for that. In fact, the IOC is visiting Salt Lake this week as part of the Olympic bid process. The SLC area has the 12,600 seat Maverik Center where their ECHL team plays, there's the Delta Center that can have an ice rink (and could host other Olympic events such as figure skating) and another large arena could make their bid even more successful. So, the NHL could see the future is brighter in SLC even if the Delta Center isn't the ideal hockey venue in the short-term.

Acting like this is a suprise or out of the blue is wild. Actual hockey fans from actual hockey markets have been wondering why this hasn't happened TWENTY years ago. The amount of leash and support the NHL... I mean Bettman... has given this franchise and only this franchise is beyond insane.

You can't say that the NHL hasn't given the Coyotes ample time to work out a new arena deal over the years, but I can totally understand why the NHL is losing its patience with this situation as it has gone on now for so long. I feel for the Coyotes' fans who have supported this team through thick and thin because they have been through so much undertaintly.

With regards to the impact on hockey itself in the Phoenix area. There is an NCAA division 1 hockey team in town. College hockey is vastly underrated. The Sun Devils should be supported.

If the Rattlers of the Indoor Football league worked out a deal with Glendale, the Yotes must have really irritated a lot of people in the valley for no one to step up and help. Glendale doesn't want them, downtown said no, Tempe said no, the Scottsdale Mayor has no interest.

There are coyotes in Utah btw. Also, I think what freaked the league out was lack of specificity on that Scottsdale (north Phoenix) location. There is no way the Coyotes owner can develop that himself. Where are the partnerships?

I feel bad for the franchise, just so many things have happened from Winnipeg to now. I understand people are saying what about Quebec, Atlanta, (insert at least 3 other locations), but the move to Utah makes sense with divisional alignment, it's a quick and easy thing. Also the league is making 2 versions of the next season schedule, it just makes sense for the league to have a back up plan. Maybe Utah gets the Coyotes short term as a way to find out if there is the hockey market they want. A "trial period" to see if they can get a season ticket base/corporate base while the arena is built in Scottsdale would be a unique situation

Don't play in a 2000 person Barn and ask to play in that barn for 3-4 more years and expect them to say okay

Honestly, fans of the Coyotes and Phoenix as a whole should be thankful that the NHL is even handing them an olive branch to one day return to the league. After what has transpired since moving to the desert, I’m surprised the league has kept them there for so long. Although that might have more to do with Bettman’s ego than anything else

I dont think I've ever seen a city basically kick a team out of a state before. The Mayor was like, yo I talked to the other Mayor and we agreed, ya'll gotta get the hell outta here.

As a preds fan the sad thing is the market is fine. The issue is incompetent ownership. If they could figure out how to win and just negotiate a stadium deal this team could contend. They have the cap and draft capital.

I feel so bad for the fans. The coyotes ownership should NEVER, be allowed to step foot near the nhl again. But seeing as how Gary Bettman, and the other owners are the hyper greedy POS’s that they are. Money talks. That’s all they care about. They have ZERO interest in the fans, other than our money. And I’m a Canadiens fan. But damn. The owners and NHL did the dogs’ fans dirty.

Regarding the lack of fans - I have to think part of this is that the Coyotes have been threatened to move for upwards of 15 years (Remember, they were moving to Hamilton, Ontario in 2008)... And I think fans just didn't want to devote themselves to a team that seemed so certain to be moving.

The unfortunate part that I don't think many realize is how hockey in Arizona impacted the league. I'll always say that Auston Matthews, the Leafs' first overall pick, plays in the NHL because of the Coyotes, because he was exposed to the game at an early age. So, I don't know how anyone can dismiss the 'Yotes as not a team to be taken seriously or whatever, in terms of off-ice impact.

Scottsdale mayor publicly rejected a relocation of the NHL Coyotes franchise anywhere in Scottsdale or anywhere adjacent to Scottsdale!! Sad!! 😮😢

We don’t want a new expansion team in Arizona, we WANT THIS ARIZONA TEAM, just give Utah an expansion team

I fully agree.. this feels like the Cleveland Browns/Baltimore Ravens situation redone in NHL clothes.. just like the browns, just as things are starting to look like they have a new venue.. teams relocation... I think part of the Yotes problem is so many here are not natives (yes, I'm in the Valley)... they are transplants from other parts of the country. Like myself, I have a team that I love from when I grew up and I have not replaced that loyalty (even if they have forgotten what playoffs are).. I just get sick of teams not happy with their venues... when I was a kid, playing in mullett would not even be more than a mention.. today, if it's not a cathedral.... they might as well be playing on a frozen pond.... and the NHL is not alone...

I disagree with nearly everything said. I am a Coyotes fan, well, It's my 3rd favorite NHL team since I am east coast based. But I have seen them play at 6 different NHL arenas. Since the early 2010s they have always been questionable if they were to stay. Bettman always put out his influence to keep them in Arizona even though it was clearly just not working. When Vegas and Seattle were rumored to be getting a team, it was always a question if they were just going to relocate the Coyotes. Then there was Mullet Arena obviously not a good sign. Then the Tempe vote rejecting a new arena. Every season we are wondering if the team would get moved. This is not a surprise to anyone paying attention. I would prefer them to move over wondering if the team will even be there next year while every other team is wondering if their draft picks or trades will pan out.

This might be my emotions talking but as a coyotes fan I hope Meruelo doesn’t get an expansion team. He doesn’t deserve a team after selling out like this. He gave us all of this hope with the auction site and then turned around and sold the team. I would rather wait for a new owner with a new team name.

Absolutely awful if they leave, I’m a Sharks fan but I genuinely do like the Coyotes and this is terrible to see this happen

it's like we lost the Montreal Expos and The Nordiques , I think MLB and NHL only count money these days

This Franchise deserves the Urinatingtree’s Legacy of Failure video that dates back to the First incarnation of the Winnipeg Jets.

Not a yotes fan but I feel bad for their fans. NHL should have made up their mind on this team awhile ago. Now they’re probably leaving next week and their fans didn’t get their proper “final yotes” game of their life. Would hate my life if suddenly the sharks moved during the off season and I didn’t get to see them one last time.

The biggest lesson from these moves should be, "don't get emotionally invested in sportsball teams.". These leagues are nice enough distractions, but they will exploit your nostalgia of going to games with your daddy or Grandpa to the hilt to get all kinds of corporatist goodies, and will leave just as easily when cities and fans start acting as if they are municipal property. Go to the games. Have fun. But don't think they are "your team," because they aren't. Treat them as the disposable entertainment product they really are.

If the Utah Jazz are selling out an arena for NBA games, will there be enough fans to sell out an arena for NHL games?

Salt Lake City needs this arena for when the Olympics come too.

I've loved the Coyotes for so long. Thank you, Brodie.😢

IDK they are playing in an embarrassment of an Arena, shocked the league even allowed it in the first place

As far as I understand this; The owner of the Coyotes would sell the team to the NHL not Salt lake. The NHL then sells the team to Ryan Smith and makes a 200million or so profit to be divided among the league owners after the NHL takes their cut. Coyotes team ownership then gets 5 years to establish infrastructure then can claim a franchise. What is not clear ; how much do they have to pay for the reclaiming of the Coyotes. Do they have to pay market value or just pay the exact price the NHL purchased the team for?

I still doubt the coyotes move honestly. If this purchase drags out past the end of May, the NHL may just keep the coyotes at mullett. Definitely still hope for Arizona.

I’ve from Canada but have been to 3 games in Phx. 2 in Glendale and 1 at Mullett. I saw a lot of passionate and loyal fans. I also feel bad for them. If they do move it’s extra sad because they’re building such a great core with Schmaltz, Durzi, Guenther, Cooley, Doan, Keller, Moser, Ingram and many good prospects in the pipeline. They are on the verge of being a really great team.

At the end of the day I just want a successful team. If the Coyotes can't do that then it's time to move on.

The Phoenix metro area has **six** arenas of various sizes in various locations. If what is now the Footprint Center in downtown Phoenix had been designed to accommodate hockey, much of the current turmoil could possibly have been avoided. There's no blame here. Jerry Colangelo had gotten word that the NHL wasn't interested in expanding to Phoenix at that time, so built the new America West Arena to be the best possible basketball venue - and he succeeded. There are other possibilities outside of building a **seventh** (repeat, seventh) arena in metro Phoenix, if some support could be gathered. One possibility could be to patch things up with the city of Glendale, and move back into Desert Diamond Arena - a very nice venue. Another would be to replace Veterans Memorial Coliseum at the state fairgrounds in central Phoenix. The "Madhouse on McDowell" as the Coliseum was called when the Suns played there (before 1992) is pretty dilapidated. And a new arena and other improvements could help revitalize the fairgrounds.

The blame is strictly on the owner NOT THE LEAGUE NOT SLC.

Love your videos BB.

They should have just moved to Ontario California or Coachella Valley until a new arena was built in the metro Phoenix area. Both of those areas are hosting hockey and they are easier for the fans to get there and they would build another fan base just like the New Orleans pelicans did when they played in OKC.

Brodie, let me give you a behind the scenes issue to look into. The land had a deep pockets bidder who was going to bid against the Coyotes. It was the Mayo Clinic which is occupying a huge piece of land in the same area and wanted to obtain the same land the Coyotes wanted, for expansion. Problem two- Scottsdale uppity ups are anti apartment and AM’s 1900 units was strongly opposed behind the scenes. I told you months ago that no new arena was going to get built.

we've been hockey fans for over 50 years, and been to coyotes games and asu sun devils games this year at mullett , great college hockey venue , but certainly not big enough for nhl games , coyotes have a great nucleus of young players , fun to watch and play hard every night. gut wrenching to whisk them away overnight. murello best to not show his face in arizona ever again.

A team with financial issues will somehow fork out the cash to develop a plot of land? Sure......

the actual decision was made quickly but we cant forget they have been supported by the other teams in the league financially almost their whole existence, i love the kachina logo, its nostalgic for me.. same goes for the panthers as well though the only reason the discussion stopped was the team actually started performing. When florida stops playing well, the fans will go with it, thats the life of ice hockey in the south. Id see a game at Mullet if it was a realistic possibility for me on the east coast but i couldnt imagine wanting to spend the money for season tickets in that rink. People have been giving Winnipeg flak for their lower capacity arena and thats three times the size of Mullet and they fill their seats

I don't know if I agree with the 'fans have no direct control' part of this video. I'm a Nashville Predators fan and back in 07 the city almost lost the team for all the same reasons... non traditional hockey market, small fanbase, no support, and so on. Anyway, long story short, the team's original owner(who owns the Wild now) was going to sell the Predators to a Canadian business man who was going to move the team. The uproar got the owner to agree to look at other offers, and a group of wealthy Predators' fan bought the team.

The NHLPA and the owners had enough of this nonsense. I wish they had spoken up in 2011.

I’ve never been a fan of Bettmans push to keep the coyotes in Arizona, but I still feel awful for the fans that are getting left behind. There were a lot of problems with Arizona but the fans were never one

@brodiebrazil Salt Lake also has a Major League Soccer Team.

The problem is that like Winnipeg 1.0 before, the coyotes have been mismanaged up until this point which also reflects the product on the ice, with competent ownership and a nhl arena arizona would be a good market

This is heartbreaking I don’t know if I want to watch hockey anymore… Feels like I’m not wanted as a fan

We have a good core of players. I don’t want to start over AGAIN! The light at the end of the tunnel was in sight.

Honestly as a Coyote fan since they arrived here it was coming. Im a transplant from St. Louis where Hickey is a staple like baseball. The really sad thing about all this is that Az has NEVER had an actual NHL team. Sure in the beginning they had decent ownership that Loved and had a lot if Hickey knowledge. However since then this team has never had competant ownership, no funds and the team was used for tax write offs. Yes the team has diehard fans but through all if this seasin after season debacles of will they move, won't they move? Then the teams are horrendous year after year coupled with the money needed for tickets ...Doesnt build a fanbase and wouldnt anywhere else either. When Meruelo took over his lies and lack of commitment to fans was quickly turned even diehards from this team. Now with an actual future thus jackass is goingbto sell and take away the team We have bern waitingbfor all these years since Bill Armstring started to build. Its far too laye to talk about expansion that ship sailed 20 yrs ago. If the Team leaves then the NHL leaves period. The duehards that we have now are going to be older maybe too old to carevif We get an expansuon. So in the words of most Yotes fans " Screw You Meruello if the team leaves feel free to follow them out if Arizona."

So many parallels to the A's. Unreal. Thanks for the update

I know Brodie brought this up, but I wonder what SLC getting the Coyotes means for their MLB bid. I don't know if they're a large enough market to have three of the big four (four of the big five if you include MLS). Maybe baseball being a summer sport means that there won't be a big conflict with the two winter sports teams.

This situation seems so weird because Scottdale is building a brand new arena and there is a current place to play in the meantime but the team demands to play in a college rink. That team leaves and a new team takes the new arena. WTF happened?

Coyotes were cursed from the beginning when a beloved franchise was yanked away from their fan base in Winnipeg.

Yokes fan here. I’m 19 and only grew up knowing them as Arizona, I know they were from Winnipeg first, but there always been Arizona too me. I often hear this move compared to the Oakland raiders/A’s move but it isn’t quite the same. Even if the coyotes move to Utah, I’ll still probably cheer for them, that won’t change, but what will change is live hockey. I was raised on hockey, going to games as often as possible, and knowing that I won’t be able to share the live hockey experience with my little sister, and my kids is devastating. If an As fan still wants baseball, the giants arnt that far away, for us, we need to go to LA or Vegas if I wanted to share hockey with my future family. It’s a dagger to the god damn chest, not just for losing an “Arizona team” but losing the live hockey experience, and not being able to share it with the future.

As a Utahn, I just want an original new team.

Can’t be the Utah Grizzlies because there is an ECHL team with that name

For a league that can't seem to do anything right, the NHL appears to have made a good decision here. Sell and move the current team to SLC and if the current owner can get his ish together and get the arena built, the NHL can reactivate the team. No more Mullet arena in the interim. Almost makes too much sense.

I went to Coyotes games when they played downtown. But living in the east valley, the drive to the new arena out west was just too far. They would have had more fan base if they had stayed centrally located.

It’s Utah Yeti. Don’t call it anything else.

Imagine bringing the Coyotes to Canada.. like .... Saskatchewan? I know a long shot.. but imagine building a market between Manitoba and Alberta.

I thought it was ridiculous that the NHL even allowed them to move to that junior hockey arena. The team should have been relocated after they were kicked out for not paying in the previous arena. Gary has just refused to admit defeat and give up. This should have been done years ago.

In some ways, I think this would help make future expansion seem easier to accept: "We're going back to Arizona and Quebec City*, not just adding two new teams." (*Who knows?)

It's worth noting that the citizens of Tempe weren't voting against a hockey team in Tempe. They were voting against _specifically the Coyotes_ being in Tempe. They've been paying attention, and they're fully acquainted with how that franchise has been run like an absolute circus. They didn't want that three-ring clown show being associated with their town, hence why they answered the proposal to move the team there with a resounding "HELL NO!" Add even the slightest modicum of competence to the ownership and management of that team, and I suspect that vote might have gone very differently.

Where are they going to play in SLC? Where the grizzlies play in west valley? In the delta center

This just feels like another Cleveland Browns situation. Hopefully they will get an expansion team soon.

I just hope the Winnipeg Jets get there hockey history back now, really feel for Yotes fans but watching from afar I have zero faith in this group hurdling the obstacles Bettman will put forth for them. Nice job here Brodie.

Brodie, a reminder that the Carolina Hurricanes share PNC Arena with the NC State Wolfpack basketball team.

The BS with the Coyotes has gone on long enough. Played two full seasons in a college area and they still can't get their shit together. Buying a kachina jersey as it's one of my all-time favourites and don't imagine they'll be available again anytime soon. Looking forward to seeing the branding for the Utah team.

Bodie Brazil you and others need to ask this question why the Coyotes organization didn’t try Arizona Veterans Memorial Coliseum it much more better than Mullet Arena!!

I’ve heard the real reason Glendale kicked them out is they wanted the team to sign a new 25-year lease, and the team would not do that, as it had lost money its entire tenure in Glendale due to its terrible geography. Regarding taking on dead contracts, they did that to acquire lots of draft picks they needed after prior GM John Chayka violated NHL rules and cost the team a bunch of draft picks. Team is headed in the right direction, and this Utah development sucks.

What I don’t like about Arizona losing the coyotes and then a few years later you get them back, you lose the current rookies that are stepping up and become exciting for this team. Plus losing Josh Doan would suck because he has so much connection with this franchise.

Both for the A’s and Coyotes it’s unfortunate but from someone who doesn’t have connection to either one it does seem an ugly ending was inevitable. The same thing appears to be going on with the Rays.

As a CT native who is old enough to remember having the Hartford whalers here, I feel for the coyote fans in AZ, the state should do whatever they can to save this franchise and keep them! Take it from me, once a franchise leaves, they won’t be so quick to return, it’s all about trying to trailblaze new markets

Picking Salt Lake City over Houston is insane