Why Aventurine's Lightcone is NOT Bad | This Lightcone is Actually INSANE!! (HSR Discussion/Guide) 

Alot of people have stupid opinions and just repeat what's said by what ever creator they like says 🤷 it's been the story since launch date and is kinda funny

Pretty sure he is shitting on Adventure boy's damage when you use him a general team which you will do 99% of the time and that take imo is valid. He really doesn't do any damage to be excited about unless you run him as a straight up hyper carry with buffs from like 3 characters (RM, Topaz, another harmony buffer). That is nothing special imo. His damage to me is very overrated.

@@Over-mh3wrthe problem is that people either say he has DPS damage or that he has dogshit damage. He has neither. His damage is amazing for clearing small enemies (as of me playing him non-stop since his release) and his FuA is SO helpful when theres less enemies. HOWEVER, he is a sustain, NOT a damage dealer. He is made to complete the FuA team and to survive g&g. His damage isn’t shit at all, quite the opposite, but he’s not a DPS. People just need to understand that.

@@cloveangel It's like comparing the damage of a tank to a damage of a damage dealer is insane. But yeah, I do agree with this, Adventurine's damage with his lightcone is really comfy. I have been using him with my acheron team and the damage increase from that is more noticeable since you are getting less follow up attacks innately

Gachasmack is delusional and fighting ghosts. It's like someone said he did top tier DPS damage, he saw this, and decided to wage war against this take most people don't have by saying his damage is actually really bad (compared to hypercarries).

@@Thedarkbunnyrabbit I am just baffled by it in general. it's living in his head rent free. as a normal DPS, unless you E6 your adventurine you are not going to see the damage gains a DPS would do. But as a sustain? His damage being better than Fu Xuan and gepard is a big deal. sometimes, to deal with enemies in HSR you got to kill them and having a sustain being able to contribute damage is a good thing

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When it comes to guide makers they usually do their research and tailor towards e0s0 content. The only one who speaks nonsense is lyo

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basically gachasmack

​@@yhwach1his point for the LC make sense though

@@sinnlos-erfolg5869 what point? That it’s really good when u are going for a dps build but is not necessary when going a support build? Yes well that’s obvious unless u have no other options of lc available. Everything else he said was just dumb af. I have seen people do 50k dmg with Aventurine and that is insane for a support character. But he galls that MID. And his reasoning for that was that ACHERON the most OP unit ingame does 2mil dmg. And he says everything that does not 1 mil dmg is mid

@@The_Celestial_Fox nah its cool to have a different opinion or perspective, no worries. i disagree, because i am trying to analyze this from a broader perspective. the way you and i play the game isnt the same way most players play I feel. There is the gigantic casual base who doesnt build characters to that extreme, as well as free to play who pretty much never pull on LC banners. To justify pulling on LC banner, it has to be incredibly high quality and somewhat universal. Like if there is a DDD featured on there, and the SC works and is optimal on several characters, ok a f2p MIGHT consider pulling. Otherwise, best of luck convincing casuals and f2p to pull on a LC banner. What you described in terms of how you built your ratio and etc is similar to what I do, but again, I am trying to look at things from a broader perspective. This is also why I assume Prydwen analysis sustain characters mainly from a sustain perspective, because that is what most players care about for that role. If they do something more, great. But I guarantee you most dont think Fu Xuan was best sustain due to the crit rate she provides, Its because of the level of comfort she provides on how she makes you feel immortal. That is the general perspective I see most of the time. So that is why most content creators like Brax, iwintolose, Gacha etc emphasize that yes you can in theory make him a sub dps with strong numbers, but the investment like getting his LC and constellations isnt something they recommend. Its kinda overkill and not necessary; its not like you cant clear MOC 12 without him doing millions of damage. I think Iwilltolose said something along the lines of "if you really want to invest more damage, do that with a literal DPS, not aventurine." Facts, that is really all you need. Of course people can play however they want. But pretty sure the general collective is people want Aventurine for his comfort, just like Fu Xuan. That along with the reasons I said are why many arent interested in pulling for his LC either. Its not that it is bad, just difficult to justify the investment of resources. Put those resources into fine tuning your Acheron or Jingliu or whatever DPS you got, and that will very likely be more efficient for that account. Hope that makes sense.

That really depends on how you build your account. For people who value vertical scaling, getting his LC is better in the long term especially if you lack good options like if you're new to the game. I got it on my F2P alt account because I know I'll get enough jade to pull for Topaz anyway, and that means I have my two main teams set because I'm going to pick up Ruan Mei over Robin because I think Ruan Mei is just universally better and I doubt Robin will massively powercreep her and Sparkle, and Robin is guaranteed to rerun in 6 months or so from now, but who knows when Ruan Mei will rerun again. That means one team is Aventurine, Dr. Ratio, Topaz and Ruan Mei, and the other is Acheron, Pela, Guinaifen and Gallagher. I'll look to pick up a good nihility support to replace Guinaifen/Pela in due time, but beyond that I literally don't have to pull any other characters. Herta and Serval will be good enough for Pure Fiction as flex picks on either side. I know most players don't think like I do and will keep pulling for every new shiny that comes around, but you don't need that in order to clear this game.

@@The_Celestial_Fox I wrote I am skipping Robin for Ruan Mei rerun though? Unless you meant something else?

@@Kamishi845 I feel like a new player would ideally want to invest there resources into a solid DPS as opposed to increasing Aventurines damage. So wintolosegaming showed a great chart on what it takes to make Aventurines damage noticeable as a sub dps. The amount of time it takes to get those specific sub stats on top of throwing in jades for a SC that is only optimal on him is incredibly difficult to justify. All that time and resources, even for newer players, could be spent maxing out your true DPS characters, or supports who are critical for any account. If damage is the issue for a player, it is unlikely that Aventurines dps is the problem. Dont get it twisted, there are showcases displaying what he can do if you indeed get those rolls and SC and constellations. Its great, but this will probably apply to people who spend a decent amount of cash or higher. Otherwise, majority of players are very likely looking to Aventurine for comfort. To make sure the team survives. But to any enthusiast that wants to max out a FUA comp (Dr ratio and Topaz in particular), sure go nuts. Its not bad, but it will require more time and resources. And the problem is it isnt all that necessary. MOC 12 is currently hardest content right now, and trust me, Aventurine doesnt have to do crazy damage or even decent damage to 3 star. Most can 3 star it as long as he keeps there main DPS units alive. If in the future harder content comes out, ok maybe people should look harder into his DPS. But as of now, its just...a nice fun thing to do. It's not absolutely critical for most players. Just my perspective. End of day, to each there own. I just agree with the overall sentiment that most players dont feel pressured to go ham on his damage. But whatever works for players

@@GodofGoblins You completely missed the point I wrote about vertical planning, because the entire point of vertical planning is to invest as many resources into as few characters as possible, because the payoff is stronger in the long-term, because instead of having a bunch of scuffed characters that barely function, you have a couple of strong picks that function very well and can handle most content. Aventurine's LC is already great for new players because it drastically reduces the need for good relics, because it's an amazing stat stick just by virtue of existing. People really underestimate how much easier getting the signature LC makes building your favorite character, and while of course you never *need* the signature LC to make a character work, they massively ease the relic requirements in order to make them function well. Also, you don't get Aventurine's LC for the damage, 40% CD is not very good for him due to his poor scaling, but you get it for the debuff and the 40% DEF. The 40% CD is just a thing that's nice to have but is the least relevant portion of his LC.

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