We do hot salts bath here at this time. the high polish we can do, it just adds a lot of labor and cost. But we do this on a custom basis. it is a beautiful finish when done this way.
Polished and blued or polished and nicked with polished stainless last but nice. Not interested in a paint soooo with all these guns including black powder in both blue and nickel? not a single one has a spot of rust. the reason is this super high tech coating called Ed's red.... lol came out in the 20's or 30's and used things like whale oil. it was actually maybe the first 'clp' my version uses automatic transmission fluid instead of whales for one and also lanolin with acetone and paint thinner and camp fuel with Amyl Acetate for odor. yeah... lots of oils/solvents for gun cleaning have some odor control in this case it is a banana hint. It is expensive of course with my version running upwards to a buck or two a quart! it is also a good penetrating oil and at the price I use it for that two. It will not protect against scratches of course but nothing will rust and all my firearms look better than new with a nice gloss including my 1969 Colt Python. I use it on everything including parkerizing. The only bad thing is.... I have had to strip a gun or two that were cleaned with the stuff.... it is almost impossible to remove. it penetrates into the metal. I have polished guns to the bare metal and past and there is still some residue that will spoil a home nickel job. Sonic cleaners won't do it... acetone won't do it.. an acid wash will get it most times.
Again, another outstanding video. You should have quoted The Man "Comes in any color you like, as long as it's Black.", he got away with that in the world market for 19 years.
Great video Bob, very informative. I have a Dan Wesson Vigil with a ferretic nitro-carbonized finish, outstanding finish. Definitely my top choice, at least for the slide.
I just bought one of your Bantam r guns because I am a big Dan Wesson fan and you were the CEO , I hope that it does not disappoint, and it is as good as my Dan Wesson pistols. You sound like you are a really hands on guy that knows your stuff keep up the goos work Bob!
Thank you for the super comments and purchase. The Fusion pistols are selling real well and we are still back-ordered into the start of summer 2022 already. Thank you all for your super support.
Ok, Lets go to school. Blueing is the street name for Black oxide. Black oxide is the true technical name. The original ‘Old-time” blueing used cyanide and is no longer used for obvious reasons. Phosphate, when most people phosphate the generally black oxide first and then use a secondary bath to Phosphate. Phosphate only give approximately 13% more protection from the elements from standard black oxide. This is why I generally suggest, instead of going through the extra expense of phosphating, your jump to nitro carb( our Fusion Black Shield), Cerakote or Ion Bond DLC treatment. You will get much more value for your $$.
Can you combine the black oxide with the nitro carburizing? As I understand stand the carburizing process, it hardens the steel itself and so it shouldn't have a problem accepting a black oxide layer, right?
@@fusionfirearms Well it's nice to know that they would work together. I know that the nitro carburizing renders the black oxide redundant but I'm interested if the combination would result in a particular look for a black gun. I'm not aware of any samples showing both processes.
I just realized from this video why the Gen5 Glocks get so much wear on their barrels. The DLC coating on the slide scrapes the hell out of the nitride barrel. Really wish they would just nitride the slide instead.
Now you have me re-thinking the DLC - it may not be the best option. As Alexander Guzman commented, I'd like more info on finishes for alloy frame guns.
I would just bead blast it and cold blue. Or just spray paint if they are off the gun. You can get fancy with cerakote, hot black oxide(Bluing) or many other finishes but many do not have the equipment.
This has literally been the best video explaining the different finishes I have yet to see online! Great job Bob! In additions to the various colors I think it would be great to have a video explaining what actually works well for Aluminum frames as well.
So how much to strip the black off my rock island 1911 .45 give it a serious high mirror polish and salt bath blue, a real nice polished blue is my favorite
Nighthawk offers DLC in black, gold, and rose gold. I have a gun with polished flats and DLC and it is spectacular, especially for the durability. It looks almost like a blued gun. I know this video is a year old and maybe they didn’t have the additional colors back then so more of a FYI. Rick
What type of finishes do the Gen 5 Glocks like the new Glock 17, new Glock 19, new Glock 26, silver Glock 43x, black Glock 43x, silver Glock 48, and black Glock 48 use? I've heard that both of the black and silver Glocks' finish is called "nvd" finish, but I have no idea what "NVD" means. And do these new Glock finishes hold up better then the Gen 3 and Gen 4 Glock finishes? Please pardon me if this is a dumb question. I don't want to make a dumb purchase if I decide to go with something like a Glock.
Had my new canik gun which will be my daily cc sandblasted and was gonna go with black digital but unsure if I want to do any camo or what color. Any tips for a cc that’s going to be cerakoted?
Bob...I have a 1911 that is parkerized. What are my re-finishing options? Can you strip it and give it hot salt bluing or nitrocarburizing? Or I am stuck with it being parkerized? Thanks.
Hi Harry, You can strip it, that is no problem and either the salt black oxide or the black shield Nitro will both work, the nitro will last much longer.
Cool which treatment will prevent a non-stainless steel or non-aluminum (carbon steel I guess, I wish many make almost stainless steel guns- seem only S&W makes it- their Shield Plus ) rust even if you submerge it in wet mud or water for a 3 months? The diamond one? Thank you. God bless.
Well, 3 months in mud... I guess I would go with Nitro-Carb(our Black shield) or Ion Bond. If you want a stainless look, than hard chrome. if I had to rate them I would go with 1) Nitro Carb, 2) HD Chrome , 3 Ion Bond. But these are all top shelf finishes.
@@fusionfirearms Thanks, which one treatment is the most silky smooth (like skating on ice, like Teflon but tough- more so with cool, yet organic oils like Ballistol or do you a better oil compared to Ballistol recommendation)? By the way, if I may recommend expansing the horizon for the 21st century- consider treating cars also (there are ceramic clear coatings for cars but I think Nitro-Card, Ion Bond & hard chrome may be better), specifically the upcoming 9mm bullet-proof Cybertruck (I think it'll be bare 30x cold rolled stainless steel metal no lacquer clear coat), many will use that probably for their arsenal for the weekend, outdoors- it has a built-in air pressure for cleaning stuff. Thanks have a great weekend.
It really depends on the "look" you want, But from my 35 years of doing this, I woudl choose our Black Shield Nitro Melonite (Black nitriding), or HD Chrome for silver look. ION Bond DLC is very durable also, BUT,... no attention to detail, about 90% of items I send to Ion Bond I have to reject back for visually crappy finish. So I don't suggest Ion Bond for finishing.
Really, please then take the opportunity to explain yourself. The coating is less that .0002" in thickness and does nothing to harden the base material.
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