Why Blackbeard VS Lucius Isn't Close... | One Piece VS Black Clover 

Absolutely adore to see it 🙏

would want to see conrad vs luffy gear 5 after tommorrow video

He is above it in AP

yh, i agree with him being planatery+. absorbing full lucifero and utilising it at base, asta being able to keep up with that makes him planetary. its nuts

@@astrobucket_64 yea

Asta has at minimum infinite 3d-4d ap in strength in base

@@rapidcougar3785 bullshit. Don't overwank him. Planetary is still good.

he neg diffs fodder beard. to much hax.

The magic power correlates to a person Speed and Power so if your magic power get 2x stronger so does your stats. This was shown though Zora's trap magic and other Amplifiers/Transformation. Magna has FTL combat speeds because he's able to keep with Black Asta and Ruffle in the Elf arc. This Black Asta is very superior in speed to base asta who was able to parry light attacks from Elf Raya. Elf Raya being many times more powerful than the suppressed base Raya who was greater in speed than patri who has several lights speed statements. Elf arc Mereoleona was able to easy parry and destroy Elf Raya's copy light magic which was calculated to be over 15x FTL. Base Asta was able to blitz pass Mereoleona spell in Base which means Black Asta would also scale over 15x FTL. Magna briefly surpass black asta in the middle of the 6 month timeskip as when the Asta gets fold by a Magic Spider Beast and Leopold did well against it. Leopold then got stronger and fought these magic golems and struggle against them in both speed and power but Magna could nearly blitz one of them and 1 shot them. Later on Magna gets his manic mana state again which is stated to be more than 25x increase in power in the LN. This makes Magna in the middle of timeskip 375x FTL. This useful because spade arc Magna is 500x weaker than 100% Dante stated Magna. This would make 100% Dante over 187,500x FTL. The Twin Devils are little stronger then the 100% Triad and the twins are more than 2x stronger when fused making them 375,000x FTL. Megicula is over 100x stronger than 100% Dante when she use a fraction of her power to make Hundreds of Devil disciples and each of them are stronger than 100% Dante and she weaker/slower than Lucifero at his weakess state. 50% Lucifero considerably get over 2x faster and stronger as he parried his own magic doubled redirected at him putting him over 37.5 millionX FTL. 100% Lucifero would be more than 2x stronger than 50% Lucifero making 75 millionX FTL. Lucius ate Lucifero hearts and gain 100% of his power on top of his own which would be more than (quadrupling/4x) it. Because 50% Lucifero had both insane levels Physical and Magical power but he only had half of each in the spade saga. Which means any physical attack or movement that is renforced by Magic would be Quadrupled but spells and pure magic attacks would only be doubled. This would get Lucius at over 150 millionX FTL. He would scales well over 1000x+ FTL= MFTL+.

Destroying humanity does not mean vaporisation, it means destruction of a scale to which no human is left, I don’t know where you get multi continental from, but based of the Lucius earth shot, destroying the clover kingdom was country level.

Salamander statement has no timeframe nor ocean to scale off, so it has no merit as a feat. The rest of this seems like it was copied of VS wiki, most of these quantifications were never stated, this 500 x increase seems implausible. What basis do we have to believe that what is true for the devils applies to all system inverse? That’s all I have to take from this scaling.

​@@futuresekkai .I didn't say destroying humanity means Vaporization. I said Zagred said "nothing would be left" implying Vaporization. The Multicontinental scale comes from the context from the narrator and Lumire statements on Demon Licht and his attack.

​@@futuresekkai .The fire Salamander and 2 statements in Volume 16.5 of BC. "The sigh(attack) of the firedrake heats 1,000 ri, one swing from it talons dries the ocean" Salamanders Heat Smallest Ocean= 11.46 petatons(Multicontinental+) Salamanders Heat Average Ocean= 178.14 petatons(Multicontinental+) Salamanders Heat Largest Ocean= 450.35 petatons(Multicontinental+) Salamanders sigh Heat 1,000 ri= 20.11 Exatons(Multicontinental+ or 68% to moon lvl) 1 ri = 3.93 kilometers or 2.44 miles. The time frame isn't needed for Vaporization. Even you don't believe in that lvl of destruction. It would still be Multicontinental if the attack was the size of the Ocean.

facts 🗣🗣🔥🔥 lucius clapping anything that crosses his path he is basically immortal along with the mass amount of mana meaning he can use the time magic to its full potential and being able to clone himself with about the same power his main body has hes seen teleporting at about anywhere he wants ont he battlefield and hes not even fighting yuno with his main body rn and even if he were to be hit he can regenerate instantly

Not really. Nothing he has does anything to Logias. Especially not Admirals who have Future Sight and would just blitz him before he could get a spell off.

@@emperorluffy6001 Did you know that Lucius also can use future sight?

@@KingRenryuji Yes. I never said he couldn't. Whats your point?

@@emperorluffy6001 Lucius no diffs verse with soul and body magic.

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This guy doesn't understand One Piece speed scaling. lol.

Not a fan of that method of BC scaling, vaporisation feats require timeframes, they significantly down scale based on this idea.

​@@futuresekkaiyou forget author statements of lucifero being planetary You forget Dorothy creating moons way back in the elf arc ? Scaling Lucius to multi continental is a very very very low ball like wtf ,

He never answers this question 😂

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@@futuresekkai i know that but i m intrested what you use why you cant tell us? 😆

You can even get them to infinite or inaccessible speed pretty casually

@@guilha1506idk abt that 😭😭

He thinks high FTL+ but he also believes that the values I use can be argued with validity

@@Verum006 sounds good, I would have to agree

@@Verum006 two reasonable debaters with contrasting opinions But respect for how those opinions are derived Good to see

They been ftl+ since elf arc. They long since been mftl+

Yeah so the thing about perception blitzing with assumed speeds is that it constitutes as **calc stacking**, it’s a method of scaling that almost always leads to hyper inflated results. The same can be applied to other series and you can get characters like Tanjiro into the MFTL+ range by upscaling from every perception blitz feat.

@@futuresekkai I thought calc stacking would be using other calcs results to use for entire different calcs, ie: z has island lvl ap got an amp and then lost to y and y got destroyed by c so c has x times more energy than what it's required to destroy an island. That I would agree is calc stacking but in these cases I don't see any other results being applied they are able to keep up w light w their reaction time so their reaction time should be bare minimum x% of light, tho I can see it as calc stacking if you feel the need to accurately quantify that percentage

I think if you only take Magna’s increase they’re still high ftl+ which seems fine to me, the result remains unchanged. Appreciate it 😁

They have light speed feats from like episode 3 . ASTA been dodging light beams from gauche half awake in bed from day 1

Her dimension, despite being infinitely large, is only as strong as she is. Any hax ability or magic spell that is strong enough can be used to cause the dimension itself and everything she's created in it to collapse. The logic just makes sense, otherwise she wouldn't be losing every single fight that she's in through the entire series.

​@@merah5033It's always plot that defeats her. First time she fought the elf version of herself and two dorthy's can't exist in glamour world. Second time she fought Yami who can cut space-time. Third time she fought morgen who had Lucifero's gravity magic that can warp space and his own magic that can interfere with concepts. She literally has been battling the plot this entire time, they didn't even bother to put her glamour world in the movie because it's too OP.

I think they’re high ftl+, seeing as there’s a feat already putting them, however, what verum is doing is actually acceptable on the merit that we agree that multipliers exist at all, provided they don’t get contradicted, whilst it can be met with contention, it’s useable.

They are mftl+ , even vsbattlewiki has had them at mftl+ for years now.

The word translated from Jap for world in this quote is sekai, and it's a term more so in relation to people than actual planets and dimensions. Considering it's the quake fruit and what we saw, it simply means that fruit user can destroy the place that people live at( island) by either tilting them over or flooding.

​@@hitogi06the viz translation is world and it's stated to be world

Applying consistent logic rather than dismissing a result based on clear personal biases, inverse statements and cross referencing statements and on panel displays to formulate a plausible conclusion.

​@@futuresekkaiBlud , a Million Earths would be equivalent to the mass of our star aka the sun for example. You saying the OP world scales to a dwarf star is equivalent to me saying that tens of thousands of our planet would be equivalent to the one piece world. You quite literally used pixel scaling, arguably the most inaccurate concept in the scaling community.

Wasn’t really downplay, this is just a whole lot of calc stacking, which is generally accepted as bad because it inflates results to the roof. Perception blitz multipliers aren’t a thing, perception is a multi-faceted thing, which even for humans fluctuates pretty vehemently based on orientation, light intensity, blood flow, whether the individual is in motion and so forth. Gear 5th sounds interesting, I’ve heard of the alleged multiplier being exponential, but in what category though, if it’s linear for speed then we might have something here, though that also seems unlikely seeing as it is shown to provide him with a plethora of hax?

Bro just made up his own multipliers😂

Bro did not got updated since mid 2022😂

Could be pretty interesting, both of their scaling is all over the place

@@futuresekkai amaterasu vs Logia imunity is honestly the only reason why i asked this Lol

That wouldn't happen. Lucius does not have a devil fruit, as such that part wouldn't work on him. There is nothing BB can do. He would either get boxed to oblivion( which would take time since BB it tanky), get erased by time, or converted to lucius side(may be able to resist with CoC, although it cannot be quantified).

If you go back to Law VS BB, when they clash he produces black lighting without armament indicating conquerors

@@futuresekkai lightning dose not mean conquerors just like you can use Armament without a black coloration

Lmao 💀, aye BB’s the king of off-screen and he was reacting to Law, Shanks and the Seraphim, he’s just careless, so he’s gotta have speed on him.

@@futuresekkai Ace vs BB crew is not a fair match, since BB DF is a counter to almost every DF plus BB fight in a dirty, he got easily toasted by Ace flames and he received twice as damage. BB crew vs hearts Pirate is an unfair match, Law is the only one with good hax, the rest of his crew are just average humans except bepo who recently awaken his minks power, BB crew fight dirty and they have their own haxes, ofc BB can easily defeat Law. BB vs Shanks, they were kids back then and ofc, Kid BB have more flexibility and speed compared to current BB who got a body of a deteriorating daddy type body with skinny legs that an average bike can pass him. Deku would kick the shit out of BB, considering Deku uses quirk, and BB cannot negate it.

@@futuresekkai BB got zero knowledge when it comes to Quirk, same with Deku. If they fought, BB would lose since he is just a tactician, not a fighter, no experience in hand to hand combat, he can't even jump an 8ft tall wall plus Deku is fast enough to dodge his gravitational pull.

Not really dishonest, I had to deal with certain misconceptions as they’re gonna be the brunt of the opposition. The position being taken doesn’t really need to attack stuff that isn’t being used to upscale such as salmander, luck ect… as they’re not even being granted, I don’t see the need in presenting arguments that have no relevance to video all in the name of it sounding like both sides don’t have bad metas. In terms of the feat chaining, I’m not gonna pretend like I would have scaled BC’s speed this high, it’s a collab but it seems coherent based on previously accepted multiplicative increases inverse. I however, would’ve stopped at the 4x up from Dante’s scaling to Henry and stopped it there.

@ManifestedFavor without really getting into it as it takes more time to show that something is untruthful than the time it takes to make an untruthful claim, as in the claims made in this video Taking a statements face value and then giving a reasoning, right or wrong, as why not to And taking another statements face value and not giving any reason why Is lying by omission and / or poisoning the well

@@mackensieswanholm4996 What part of the claims made in this video were untruthful? Ah I get it… You think my arguments where in bad faith because I didn’t debunk the salamander in this video? Which doesn’t even add to the BC end and I have already scaled these two individually in the past.

@@futuresekkai I specifically said I wasn't getting into any of the claims The only thing I did say was that I believe that claims to be done untruthful by lying by omission and poisoning the well

@@mackensieswanholm4996 Lying by omission implies that the lack of the presented argumented has baring on the conclusion. As humans beings we rely on a series of shared presuppositional beliefs that allow us to more easily engage in dialectics without needless complexity. You’ve gotta understand that this is a video with intention and this point actually didn’t take precedence in the video as I explained because I deemed it to be implicitly irrelevant and therefore it is neither dishonest neither does it “poison the well”. For further elaboration, you can join my discord at any point you’d like 👍🏾

Beating who?

Nigga, Literally ASTA exists and Lucius still packed him up. Don't talk about Negation of Abilities. Current Lucius can spam hundreds of clones all with Planetary AP. I can argue the verse to infinite- immeasurable speed since even Conrad was able to move in stop time in the new movie.

Magic does not equal devil fruit. Mana is naturally produced by the world and living creatures of BC. As such, BB darkness wouldn't negate it.

⁠@@nobunaga4720boy said darkness fruit could negate Lucius when Lucius’s has an actual counter (asta) and still destroys him

He did not there is some feats such as sanji dodge black coffee wich is 8.7x ftl but B.B is slower

@@dante1631 Yeah, I’ve seen the black coffee method and I’m not a fan, could easily be aim dodged due to the nature of pacifista beams.