Could Whitebeard Have Ended The 4GNW ? | Naruto VS One Piece 

Edo madrara isn't large planetary

@@rterrell641yh he is bro he spread the tree across the entire Naruto planet in seconds and the Naruto planet is large planetary

The amount of bias you hold towards one piece is insane

@randomperson2271 it's planetary not large planetary. Even if the planet is large planetary

@@jinmori155 I'm not, most of the war Arc characters alhave near planetary feats, while White Haven't even shown any planetary feats. Except just a statement made by a Admiral.

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​​@@futuresekkai Nah this the most BS low ball I ever saw Haku was stated and logic tracks to move at light speed Choji expansion jutsu was said to move at lightning speeds Mifune has sword attacks that are stated to move at the speed of light no the name of his attacks in Japanese literally translate to light A sick itachis Tsusanoo could react to kirin which is stated to move at light speeds in the data books In the Kakashi retsuden novels it's stated that the average semi jonin can use jutsu that move at light speed Obito is faster than KCM naruto that has a massive power up with Tentails we know in naruto the more Chakra the faster the stronger an attack is despite the element This video is just misinformed

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Prime wb would be large planetary?

@@rterrell641 no he wouldn't, at most we can double WB strongest feat (which is him creating 3 tsunamis at MF) to get to his Prime power. 6 tsunami-powered Prime WB is pretty strong but that's barely country level.

So weaker than doflmaingo and Fuji’s large country meteor in dressrosa, be for real 😂, Blackbeard’s plate shift is also moon level, this makes no sense inverse wise

​@@futuresekkaitectonic plates? But does that really scale to moon level wouldn't it but multi country to continental level of power.

​@@faith4657no op world is massive. :) i think the naruto planet is as well tho :)

What about the statement makes you believe it’s wank, 561 it’s reaffirmed that Whitebeard shook the world, 554-567 we have instances of tremors reaching beyond the confines of Sabaody, marineford and impel down which reaffirm the consistency of planetary range. Heck, Blackbeard when he obtains the fruit further reiterates his capacity to manipulate the entire world and upend it at his own discretion. These statements come from god tiers who determine the consistency of the series. And being able to exert their full power against other yonkos such as primebeard against Roger as confirmed in the road to laughtale only add to the consistency of the interpretation.

​@@futuresekkaitheres a major flaw with your scaling and comment here, whitebeard shaking the world doesn't mean he can destroy the world. By that logic goku shaking an infinite void means he has infinite power. He doesn't, goku doesn't have infinite power. Whitebeard being planetary is a featless statement. There is no actual proof he can. Let alone translation from Japanese to English the word for world can also mean a large landmass, a city, or all life. What chapter does whitebeard destroy a planet? Secondly, for example its known that goku can destroy a planet even though he has never done it before. But we know thats a undeniable fact because goku beat frieza who in base form was a planet buster. Then you have the problem of whitebeard doesn't have yin or yang release meaning he cant damage beings who have six paths Chakra like kaguya, jubito or jubi-madara and the truth seeking orbs but the orbs can instant kill whitebeard if he touches them. Unless you want to use vers equalization. Then its gg for whitebeard because any character with a sharingan can trap whitebeard in a genjutsu and kill him. One look at edo itachi, madara, obito, sasuke, kakashi, and many of the ninjas in the alliance who can do genjutsu would trap him and kill him off. Or itachi can just use his susanoo and seal him away. Either way you put it whitebeard loses this fight.

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If you actually watched the video, rasenshuriken and light fang weren’t the only speed feats I used lol, Raikage is mistranslated and I’ve done various debunks on things like Haku in the past. Ap works off your ability to exert X amount of energy at a given time. What does this chakra reserve consistute as? It’s also iffy considering the nature at which the statement is being made. Nothing about the star refutation was disingenuous, I remained logically consistent the entire time. I apply this to all works of fiction.

@@futuresekkai scaling via narrative consistency raikage should be ftl+ since it's feats over statement, plus the raikages speed was never stated how can you quantity a statement saying like light it's unquantifiable raikages already blizt people like Sasuke who's easily ftl at the beginning of the show kcm1 who pretty much fodder to any form of Obito is far faster than raikages and even orange mask Obito could easily weave raikage while carrying somebody it's crazy even to think wb survives talk more of wining why didn't you used the munoboku sword statement with sub atomization to get Obito into the dwarf star levels of AP and scale his speed of kcm1 wb is getting speed blizt and duraneg immediately

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The timeframe question Is just redundant due to the assumed nature of his seismic activity and the fact that his range is seemingly showed immediately following the Tsuru statement

I’m not quite sure what you mean by the first part but u seem reliable and reasonable so imma trust what you’re saying. You’ve definitely earned a sub tho

Blackbeard is dwarf star lvl it isn’t a downplay lol Naruto characters are simply too slow

@@vigariou too slow? let me guess you must follow that trash OP speed stack that is debunked by so many.

It’s never stated endless, but regardless he would only need to cool enough to get his footing, he has more than enough range to damage Kaguya, matter of fact he could actually fire off air quakes during his descent now that I think about it 😂

So if you remember the scene where Naruto and Sasuke use the Six Paths CT we see that beyond the actual planet, the dimension itself being spherical is substantiated by the rescinding curved action lines, having an atmosphere on a planet has nothing to with the actual dimension itself and instead the questions you have are exactly the contentions being presented. What are the specifics and necessary interactions of gravitational energies that would even result in the formation of a pseudo-celestial body in a close spherical space? What are the nuclear fusion requirements if any? I also addressed this all in the video already, but to reiterate it's a question of applicable methods for quantification that can justifiably be used, which cannot be here. The star-level assertion or even what constitutes as a day and night cycle to reaffirm the position is a complete and utter non-sequitur.

@@futuresekkai Thanks for the explanation, and to be honest, i agree with the interpretation that the scan saying she weaves, or spins space isn't even talking about creating dimensions, it is talking about her teleporting ability where she can pull everyone into a separate space, which requires her to "spin/weave space" because teleportation is a technique which requires you to manipulate space, is that correct? So she wouldn't even scale to those dimensions, or the destruction of it either since the TSO would have just expanded and erased everything, instead of exploding with raw energy and obliterated everything inside the dimensions, and now that i think of it, the data book never mentions a star being a part of the dimension, it just references the dimensions as magma, the acid, ice world, and so on. So the star might not even be apart op the spaces themselves, just the planets, what do you think of this interpretation?

@@tiltedxfn3635 It’s plausible that they are in or outside the dimension, regardless it has no impact on the scaling of the series. And the more I think about the ETSB, the more it makes less sense for it to be regarded as ap scaling. It derives chakra from the shinju tree and despite Naruto having no problem prior with significantly damaging or overpowering Kaguya, this ability was supposed to be so demonstrably superior to everybody, that multiple characters relative to her were gonna be simultaneously wiped out.

@@futuresekkai Exactly, it makes no sense, Naruto can chop off kaguyas entire forearm no diff, and Naruto, kakashi, Sasuke, and Sakura were going to be wiped out by the ETSO, yet kaguya scales who can take damage from Naruto? Yeah that is extremely questionable, along with the fact that it wasn't even going to explode, it erases matter, so it's not a pure AP attack anyway. And then arises the question if it would have taken out the star at all, because like you said, it could, or could not be a part of the dimensions, on top of the fact that it would be an overtime feat. You changed my mind, I think one piece is the stronger verse now.

I translate myself !

That’s what’s up, I need to learn a second language. I should probably start with my own native one and learn Yoruba💀

Seemingly only admirals wear those plain gold rounded shoulder pads

Yeah so Whitebeard uses his devil fruit meaning he scales? He is a devil fruit user with that fruit lol. It’s different if you want to seperate him from other characters but this is redundant. Also, the Haku statement is about moving between mirrors, Naruto only reacts once from mirror to ground, so he’s not being reflected across to another mirror like light does, as per the statement. On top of it being a ninjutsu meaning Haku’s depleting chakra will affect its speed.

@@futuresekkai whitebeard himself doesn't scale to the Devil fruits AP. If anyone picked up the devil fruit and learned how to use it, they would be able to produce that level of output . So his AP is not planetary or anything close to it.hell, even usopp could come along, take the devil fruit and instantly be a planetary threat. Also, I don't even believe the devil fruit can destroy the planet, because inside the databook you quoted, if you look at it carefully, you'll see that it clearly states that "it only refers to the title and not his power level".

Dog if he used a fruit he scales to the feat it’s not that hard

​@@futuresekkai why would his depleting charka drop his speed when his already moving mirror to mirror, unless he was fatigued that shouldn't be the case. Also naruto reacted but I wouldn't use that when there are better feats for a light speed Naruto

Haku can only move at the speed of light INSIDE of his mirrors. And the OP is 7 times bigger than our planet. 20 MILLION islands is crazzy. And you said he is not Large planetary. Ok

Kaguya will kill whitebeard with her dimensional of acid water, madara would kill whitebeard with limbo clones and meteorites like shut the hell up

Not only does she not use limbo clones nor meteorites at all during her fight with Naruto and Sasuke, which I would imagine someone who has read Naruto compared to the guy who’s analysing the nuances of the raw manga consistently throughout the video, instantaneous though not stated, typically denotes an event that occurs “in the blink of an eye”, it has no inherent relationship to a specific speed. Also the nature of her BFR, I literally substantiated in the video, no head canon inferences, just restating how she uses it during the manga.

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​@@futuresekkaiSo how does that not proof one minute they here the next their gone.

You acting like he ain't bring up FUTURE SIGHT. Wb will see her try ts in the future and bitz her before she does it. Its that simple

You can join my server and I can substantiate every claim I make, although I think I did a more than sufficient job during this video.

White beard is a yonko. Another yonko, shanks, used future sight to see that another pirate would use an attack that would destroy his ship and injure his men and he jumped from his ship into the ship of the other pirate and knocked him out before he even began charging the attack. White beard is faster than the guy who is made of light and travels and attacks at light speed. Kaguya would be punched in the skull before she can even register the thought of making the exit portal.

@@_trulyy.lava_6931 so when the fight starts, n Kaguya instantly transport them to another dimension, she will be up in the air while whitebeard will be falling. What is he going to do? I’ve never seen whitebeard fly or air walk. Naruto had a platform so as sasuke. What’s stopping kaguya from just staying way up in the air??

@@Bro-yktv whitebeard has projectiles as well as being able to jump really high and long distances. And the only dimension he'll "fall" in is the lava one. But he explained in the video how that won't be a problem for wb

I think he’s faster now, not by much during the war though but more so in the last and Boruto which trickles down to the war

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I love how you’re always restricted when it comes to these kinds of videos

@@futuresekkai there you go again reading me like a book 😂

They get wayyy faster and stronger from feats from the last, that carry over to Boruto. Future videos will include Boruto scaling which is probably more agreeable to the masses

very incorrect. Obs doesnt make u faster in terms of movement, it just gives you a form of precog. It also doesnt matter if kaguya can regen cuz since u didnt give an extent i could just argue that haki negs regen(via marco). Also prove kaguyas speed

@@Count-Shalmon on the first point you are agreeing with me about observation haki. Kaguya can regrow limbs and organs while having the durability to withstand attacks that damage at a molecular level. As for speed she blitzed Naruto and Sasuke at the very beginning of their fight.

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Yeah the Raikage statement is mistranslated, it uses gotoki to describe his speed in a figurative speed kinda like god-like speed or lightning speed. And although it seemed a little like it in the kaguya space time section, this is not a debunk video

@@futuresekkai Alr I understand that It’s just some in the vid that looks like your downplaying Naruto’s speed but I understand completely though on the raikage statement, btw how did you learn Japanese?

​@@futuresekkaiwhere exactly though, cause they always say it in light or that his blatantly that speed.

It’s good you brought that up, I have my own contentions with the land of sand argument and inverse themes that seem to oppose the idea but I didn’t attack the argument in this video!

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It’s the opposite, my argument actually works of the simplest set of assumptions. If you don’t understand what a false dilemma is, it confounds a problem by making it appear as if there are only two possible options, by me showing there are more with the introduction of man made constructs it means that the artificial sun argument does not reliably follow from its premises and therefore any assertion is merely non-sequitur or an invalid form of argumentation.

Also I very much so read the paper… I think you’ve misunderstood the nature of the argument entirely, we apply real world logic to scale every single series we can until that logic is shown to no longer apply, our ap chart that gives us star level comes from the real world so logically when people make the star level assertion they assert that it takes the equivalent energy to destroy as that of a naturally occurring star in the real world.

@@futuresekkai I would heavily disagree with the fact that I am presenting a false dichotomy. I think that the argument you are presenting takes a lot more assumptions because I don't agree with your with the artificial sun argument and how's is represented to begin with. I don't see it logically following.

Even though I'm 1 month left, facts

What feats would put Kaguya to LS/FTL? Pretty sure Naruto's Light Fang dodge doesn't even put him 1/5 LS. Raikage isn't close to LS.

@@Xyro-- wait hold on do you think kaguya is lightning speed you can't be serious the raikage was near light speed not light speed and was dodged by raw kcm 1 Naruto who gets way stronger in kcm 2 and six paths sage mode makes all those mode look like nothing because Naruto dodged light fang in point blank does not mean he is just light because that makes no sense and if you think kaguya isn't faster than light then I don't know what to tell you. You should just watch romance anime and call it a day.

@@sinoxolombovane5455 Where are you getting Raikage being near LS from? Naruto dodging the Light Fang doesn't make him LS or FTL.

@@Xyro-- data books where else if Naruto is not light speed how fast is he ow wise one????? this should be good.

@@sinoxolombovane5455 Ei states that he has Mabui as his secretary because of her Transmission Technique, which moves things/people at Light Speed, which he has her use instead of him traveling to where he needed to be during the 4GNW, which puts him slower than LS. (He is also astonished by this ability) Are you talking about the Lariat statement in the databooks? That Raikage statement would put V1 Raikage Along with V1 Bee (The forms shown) close to SPSM Naruto in speed (Feats wise) This is definitely similar to Haku's Mirrors and Itachi's LS Waterbullet. It's almost certainly flowery language to say they're quick. "Almost at the speed of light" also isn't quantifiable, and even if it wasn't flowery language "almost" could be a wide range of speeds. Naruto dodging Light doesn't make him LS, I don't think you get that. I can dodge a car moving at 100mph, but that doesn't make me faster than the car. Naruto also has Negative-Emotion sensing from Kurama, which would've helped him sense the attack before it happened.

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Did it not fit your narrative? Lol

@@futuresekkai it didn't even fit yours

@@chalbramwell5353so you concede that it didn’t fit your narrative implying and exposing your Bias.

@@the_don0562 whatever say bro it's still a bad video

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