I have a 360 which I have restored myself. Some points: firstly, the things you mention are pretty standard fare for the 360. The ball joints and “flanblocs” do need replacing regularly. Secondly, if you use the car AT ALL in the winter then you quadruple your maintenance. The most likely scenario is that this car has been winter used. Non mechanics do persist in thinking that washing their car or having a “service” (which as you are finding out basically means “oil change”) after bombing around in the salt mitigates their actions. Sadly it doesn’t. Thirdly, James, these are not complex cars. They are extremely simple, and come apart with a £40 socket set. The problem is that there is a whole industry set up to rinse wealthy/enthusiast owners of crazy labour rates when actually once they are on the ramp with the tray off they are as easy to fettle as anything else. Finally, the correct way to store a car is utterly crucial. Once you have installed dehumidification into your garage and can see how bare metal doesn’t corrode the penny begins to drop that the stark difference in condition between two 30 year old cars simply comes down to: no winter use and correct storage. There is a gulf of difference between a properly laid up car and one that is neglected. I do hope that your friend James enjoys the car; they are very special machines.
What can be done to protect a car from the salt? Is winter driving simply off the table for some cars? I have a Bentley that I would like to drive daily but in the Northeast US the salt runs deep.
@@adamf.4823 the only way to really protect a car from salt is not to use it. I run a cheap winter beater and tuck the toys away until Spring. If I had to rinse my cars after every drive, I'd go mental. The roads are permanently mucky for long periods at a time here, so the car would only remain "clean" overnight and go right back to being salted from top to bottom the following morning. The sacrificial winter car takes the stress off
@@adamf.4823 I use a bilt-hamber winter care kit and regularly wax and protect the undersides of all my cars. This will make a massive difference, but the best cars usually don’t see salt at all. At least drive something interesting over winter, if you must have a ‘winter beater’ a mini cooper or a golf gti or something. Not like a Toyota corolla ffs, life is too short for that.
@@adamf.4823 Salt dissolve excellent in water. Where I live in Germany there are even in Winter more rainy days over the freezing point than salty streets. Mechanics saying that daily used cars can be in much better conditions than rarely used cars because the rain washes off the salt regularly while the worst thing is driving on a salty road and parking the car for weeks without washing it off.
That better be a £40 Beta socket set! The delightful t-handles in particular. :) Though IIRC Beta tools are actually quite expensive, especially the made in Italy stuff. It would seem improper to use other tools (be they German, French, Japanese or American) on a Ferrari (Beta tools used to come in the factory toolkit?). I note the Project Binky chaps preferring the iconic Beta 42 series combination spanners. :)
Very interesting video James. That is a crazy list of items that has been overlooked by the dealer selling, many of those are common on the 360 (and pricey) so I suspect fixing them would have eaten all their profit margin hence wrongly turned a blind eye. Moral of the story is if you are buying a Ferrari or any expensive Supercar make sure you get a independent inspection done by someone who knows the cars very well (an internet search on for example a Ferrari forum will always get some good local recommendations) the inspection saving will often far outweigh the cost of issues they flag up. Ill chat to you and find out the dealer and obvs avoid them. Other than that it's a great looking manual 360 which looks stunning in yellow.
The last advert I saw for the car had it at the higher end of the 360 market (£74k) - they surely MUST have had the money in it to put those things right... and STILL make a healthy profit?
A fine presentation on why owning a Ferrari is something special. Years ago I owned a black Testarosa, lots of kids sat in it, lots of friends drove it, lots went for a ride. Unlike previous owners, I drove it a lot, all over the West Coast of the USA. There’s a certain magic and sharing it is the best.
I can personally vouch for jay selling his cars fully working and in very good condition. The 130i was probably in better condition than he described and was better mechanically and cosmetically than 90% of 130is out there. It was a true joy to own. Me and the new owner have become friends and he is now enjoying it
I had a bunch of 18(ish) year olds drooling over my JDM classic last night at a car club meet in the city. Noticing their interest I walked over to them, said hi and listened for a minute as they enthused over its style and condition etc. With its freshly polished and pimped, piano black paint glowing in the car park lights it DID look pretty awesome. With no hesitation I asked the "ringleader" if he would like to jump in the driver's seat and check it out. With great fanfare he got in, smiling like a circus clown and sat there for a minute, hands on the Momo wheel while his mates flashed their iphone cams at him and gave a running commentary on how he looked and how did it feel. It was a cool moment and I felt happy and contented as the bunch of them called out their comments and he responded with a big smile and genuine respect for me and the car. Be a cool owner and Karma may well give you a break one day when you really need it.
I've watched many of your vids, James - but what you said at the end in this one struck a chord the most. I'll never forget the smile of a young lad who jumped into the front seat of my Italian when I was on a petrol forecourt, and the unrelenting gratitude appreciation from his dad... arguably a small gesture, but it made my day 'sharing' the magic with a pair of petrolheads.
There’s nothing better than a good win-win situation. The last part of the video also reminded me of the phrase ‘be the change you want to see in the world’. It’s nice knowing there are people with integrity out there like James. 😀
Wowzer what a bloody nightmare, but admire your honesty and the fact you did the right thing (and your friend) Just shows you how careful you need to be when buying anything like this!!
Your Speech of giving joy to someone who looks at such a car and letting them take a seat is excatly what I was thinking for quite some time. Every car has a purpose. A Station Wagon has to be roomy and able to transport stuff. A Smart should be tiny and super-userful in the city. A Sports/Supersport/Hypersport-Car has the Mission to make People happy, smile and make Memories. Very well phrased! Keep Rocking these awesome Vids!
I'm not sure that it's immoral to return the car to the dealer and get your money back, you can hardly be responsible for their business practices, and in any event, people who watch this have been forewarned about this dealership and can make their own minds-up as to whether to buy from them.
I've been caught out by the "clean MOT" trick a few times, albeit on cars worth a fraction of a Ferrari! Makes you wonder how they can sleep at night. My conscience would be constantly thinking "what if that ball joint let's go and causes a fatal accident", for example, but unfortunately a lot of businesses are totally devoid of any such conscience!! It makes it impossible to trust any garage that you don't personally know is genuine, which is a real shame.
Too clean an MOT especially when buying from a dealer is an obvious red flag. When someone has tens of cars a month going to the same MOT place, they can be pretty overlooky to keep the business.
I don't think they would know about the issues that the car has. They most likely pay for an MOT pass, not caring about anything that may potentially be wrong with the car.
@@L0RDLUK totally agree. I don't think they even bother moving the car. I have seen my share of very obvious fails (broken headlamps, old tyres, rotten underside) with a fresh MOT sticker at many car dealers.
Im in the middle of a similar issue. I bought a 348 from a reputable Ferrari specialist three months ago who have maintained the car for the last owner for the past 6years. Since I have picked the car up its been a complete nightmare and quite clear that the maintenance has been bodged, and as you have experienced recent MOT passes didn't seem to pick up clear failures like the passenger seat moves freely as the slider mechanism doesn't hold it, which could cause a death in a road incident! The car didn't start after a stop on the way home from buying it, the garage was not interested in helping so I got a taxi to halfords and managed to fix the wiring issue on the side of the road. I found in the service history that the previous owner had reported this but the garage could not identify the fault - I fixed it at the side of the road...... I had to change the thermostat immediately as this didn't work and that led me to discover that the radiator drain plug had been snapped off in the hole and bunged with a piece of rubber. There are several receipts for coolant changes from the garage I bought the car from so at best they were aware of the issue, at worst they caused it. The car is very loud, and when my ears became accustomed to sound I started to hear a ticking noise that ended up being a knackered bearing on the timing belt pulley. The car had the engine out timing belt service at this garage two years but only 100 miles prior to me owning it. considering the state of the bearing when it came out and the old hardened grease everywhere id say its unlikely that the bearing had failed in the last 100 miles so would likely have been an issue at the last cam belt change. My concerns raised even more when the cam belt was removed and looked very deteriorated for a 100 mile old cam belt The date stamp on it shows it was over 5 years old when it was supposedly fitted two years ago - so I think the garage charged the previous owner for a cam belt service and then never carried it out. The last cam belt change before that would put the belt at 18 months old which sounds more believable. This is just part of the other issues with the car, the steering rack is knackered, the secondary air injection system has been removed, the roof leaks to a point where its impossible to drive on a rainy day. In summary, buying a car form a Ferrari specialist, with a MOT, excellent service history doest mean anything. If I did it again, id buy a private car from someone who has used it a lot and knows what they are on about. I think these garages thrive on peoples naivety. I'm trying to get some money back from the garage but its not looking positive at the moment.
Great editing, you have really reached a super professional (in a good way!!) presentation style without losing your individuality or becoming a bland presenter with no dynamism. You have definitely earned your subscribers with professional and interesting content and its great to see you being rewarded with continued success.
Love a good JayEmm story. I clicked on this thinking "I've got stuff to do, I'll just see what he means about giving Ferrari a bad name" but sat and watched the whole thing... Reminds me why I bought 3 Lexuses. Also reminds me that I need to book a service for my porker!
Oh man, what a catalogue of cars and a history of bad luck, and not just McLaren. These bills are just telephone numbers to me, obscene. For the cost of a major supercar service, a sports bike can be bought and ran for the year resulting in some of the biggest grins from ear to ear possible. So I don’t really get supercar ownership today, it would make me panic daily. That’s no fun at all. And yes, when kids ask I allow parents to take photos of their little ones sat in the saddle. It’s a delight for everyone and I’m happy to oblige. I’m also happy you spent the time getting this message across Jay because there really isn’t (as rattled through in the vid) enough joy in the world. It’s acts like these that can make everyone‘s day. Hoping one day to have a car worthy of a feature on the channel to share with all. Cheers!
Lesson here is always get an independat inspection to be on the safe side. There should be also be legal follow with the garage/MOT center in question here too. Really is disgusting they can get away with with it, or assume they can.
Agreed, a pre-purchase inspection is cheap insurance and I'm at a loss as to why one wasn't arranged here, particularly considering: a) This is a very expensive used car, b) It''s a make & model which is notorious for developing VERY expensive to fix problems; & c) It was bought from an independent non Ferrari affiliated dealer.
I subscribed on "The McLaren Video" a buddy sent me and I've been around since. This is another great example in the same vein. You're just talking about car ownership. Any of us with more heart than sense have been here in some form or another. Keep up the great work and good on your friend you're breaking the chain. I did the same recently on a 996 that came to me after 10 owners at a "great price!" 3 years later I certainly lost my ass on catch up maintenance (I bought it from a dealer I should add) but I sold it to a younger guy who was an DE instructor and immediately drove it cross country and hit the Tail of the Dragon with it and it survived. Quite proud of that I must say.
This sounds about on par with my experience with dealing with major dealerships. I thought everyone just got screwed over? I've spent over a year and £10k+ trying to get my R8 fixed. Audi dis a full PPI before I bought it, a month later it went in for a major service (£1.2k+) and was given back to me misfiring and leaking oil. Audi sorted the misfire but denied the oil leak was anything to do with the work they had done. It's spent 5 months on and off at a specialist essentially summarising that Audi had massively overfilled the car with oil and caused every possible oil seal to fail. I wish the sodding thing had just caught fire.
This stuff just put me off enthusiast cars and cars in general about 10 years ago when i started to keep things simple. Even with porsche and japanese cars it seems it's a crapshoot. One thing that started making a lot of sense to me though is mx5 sunday driving and hobby racing.
@@fredriksvard2603 I know, its so hard to find good workshops these days. Its the same story in Germany, and when you have an exotic car, almost nobody knows how to handle it. The parts are rare, they are expensive and hard to get. When you fuck up something simple like the described oil change on that Audi, then you should probably say that you dont work on these cars, or at least, dont let the trainee in its first year work on it. I dont get why some garages even take the job, when they are not qualified to do this. After all, I had many discussions later with them, and everybody of these told me that there was no fault done by them. Later you go to a specialist, and take the whole car apart and can tell who has done the damage. But its hard to get evidence, and you will fight for your money 10 years plus, and then the workshop just goes bankrupt and you dont get anything anyway. Thats how it is, and I wont waste my time anymore with litigations. Once you find a good specialist, KEEP HIM. And hope that he wont quit his job or his workshop.
@@Gentleman...Driver Yeah i had a jag when we had a wonderful expert mech who worked only on those cars, unfortunately he retired and all that's left are generalists who work on any car and are clueless about quirky old jags... if you can't do it yourself, maybe just see cars as appliances and stay within warranty windows :(
Romans International often have competitively priced & highly specified cars, a few times I’ve been tempted to buy from them. I shall be giving them a very wide berth in future.
Fantastic video, Jay. I truly enjoy your honest and insightful approach to the deliverance of your material, others should follow your example. As a long time proud owner/caretaker of my 360 Modena, my mission and hope is that my car will still be bringing joy to a lucky owner/caretaker long after I am gone. Cheers 🍻
Yes it can be a hassle, and you might want the car so bad you rush in to it, but you MUST get it inspected by a recommended specialist BEFORE you buy. The MOT inspections are not an alternative to a pre purchase examination (as you found those items the mot inspection missed only added up to 25% of the repairs needed). That arrangement of removing warranty for a lower price, and no inspection, really was extremely risky. The fact that its an old ferrari, makes that decision seem unbelievable. However, this is a great video to reinforce the necessity of thorough pre purchase research and inspections.
If you watched my video on my 430 Scuderia, and saw all the remedial work that required despite being "Ferrari approved used" you'll probably see why we were somewhat wary of inspections at the time. In hindsight, certainly would have been the thing to do but sometimes you put faith in people and evidently, not all of them deserve it.
@@JayEmmOnCars it certainly is a very fraught business, buying old or classic cars. I tried to stick with cars that were more "basic" mechanically, corvette in my case, but still needed much attention. Make sure you have reserve spending money available over purchase cost!
I love the "duty bound" about letting people sit in your. Cars have always been my biggest passion and it brings me a lot of joy sharing my cars with others. I have yet to own anything exotic or even special by some standards but what I have had i always enjoy showing off. ❤
Some dealers are ruthless and cheeky! I bought an AlfaRomeo once (an old gtv6) and it decided it wouldn’t start on day 2 of ownership. I had paid asking price the day before for what I thought was a lovely example. I got it in and sorted with a specialist. The seller did foot 50% of the bill, but I sold the car 5 weeks later as it just took the shine off of ownership after such a rocky start. I moved back into Porsches a short time later.
I like the moral dimension and the philosophy of a duty of care including using your super car to bring some sort of happiness to someone’s like. This to some degree a justification of splurging huge amount of cash in super car ownership, however the reality is somewhat different, some owners can be snobbish at best. Nice content JayEmm.
I own a pontiac fiero gt, 1987. I have over the past 10 years replaced all of the service parts and and it was worth it. 2 seater , mid-engines are fun to drive. the car has been garage kept and is a rust free, oh and I purchased it from E-BAY. Your car is really nice. Well back to work on my tire on my motorcycle. Price of gasoline is killing me. Nice video.
Bit torn on this one, an MoT is miles removed from a specialised pre-purchase inspection, agreeing to buy a car 'trade' with no comeback and not getting it inspected properly and just driving it a mile up the road seems reckless in the extreme. I put no worth in an MOT whatsoever buying a performance car, specialist all the way or if you are competent look at it yourself.
Yep I was expecting Jay to say the moral of the story is not to expect an MoT to be as thorough or in any way a substitute for a independent PPI, and to always always always arrange a PPI when buying an expensive 2nd hand car, particularly one as prone to breaking as a Ferrari.
It's so cool to see a Ferrari that isn't Rosso Corsa. I love the fact that it's a manual transmission. Car guys everywhere should be appalled that it wasn't maintained properly. It's good to see it's in good condition now. I hope to be able to afford a car like this some day. Thanks.
A great review James. Like you, I love sharing my cars. Any time someone admires it I'm happy for then to sit in it.. or even let my careful driver friends experience it from behind the wheel. Maintaining a car, especially a Ferrari, is essential if you want too fully enjoy it. However, as it's an Italian supercar, it suffers from Murfio's law. Anything can go wrong at anytime.
James, excellent video but would it really have been that difficult to see corroded discs at the end of their lives and all the other corroded items underneath? Had you seen these you might have had some warning bells ringing. In my opinion, based on a fair amount of experience, the great majority of motor traders are chancers. You are also hardly a beginner in this game, so why didn’t you get down on your knees with a torch and have a look at the basics? Finally, letting them pass the buck to an MOT station that you didn’t know was a bit naïve. One thing you can guarantee about using a main dealer for an MOT is that they will find everything they can even if it’s questionable whether or not it should be part of the MOT! Surely that is what you wanted to know.
I love Jay's stories. The one about the McLaren 720's that the dad and son each bought and the dealerships were absolutely, positively horrendous and totally unbelievable. It was a saga. And they knew who he was at the dealership and avoided him like an unvaccinated person in a room full of Californian millennial liberals. Most of these stories are just so well told and the details are so well conveyed, you can picture it in your mind. Or listen too and chill out.
I bought my 430 in 2020. Delivery day right off the truck, it smelled like fuel. I noticed that there were 62 additional miles from the bill of sale. I called the dealer, and of course they said the car was fine when it was picked up. I asked about the extra miles on the odometer, their response was, it must of been the truck driver. The car needed multiple repairs, starting with a fuel pump. I had almost 30 k in repairs, and they assumed no responsibility for selling me a lemon.
An important point to note, and many people don't realise, ADVISORYS ARE NOT MANDATORY on an MOT. That is to say that that the tester does not have to list them on the cert. Therefore a "clean" mot is worthless if buying a car.
If people don't buy used & keep them going, pretty soon there won't be any cool cars left. Just carbon copy electric rubbish that are only available to a certain portion of society. If we keep the older stuff going, be it a Mazda or a Maserati, we can keep these awesome bits of engineering available for another few generations.
@@benji6866 The difference being I get a brand new car in exchange for my hard earned money, rather than a machine which may have been neglected for years - and where the seller is actively trying to hide issues.
Well, the Dec 2018 Mot online history says 'Offside Front Brake pipe corroded', Coil spring corroded All 4' so clearly, the work was never done but importantly tells us this car was used on salted roads in Winter.
Excellent video and totally agree that the dealer here shouldn’t have sold the vehicle with any known faults (especially those subject to an MOT inspection carried out just before Jay took delivery). That said, it does highlight that the MOT is a very basic test of road worthiness and that not all MOT test stations are as diligent as the best. The stakes are much higher with premium/super cars in that unexpected repairs can run to five figures (think Jay says the repair costs were £14k?) and if owners are maxing out their budgets on the purchase of the car, they face financial ruin in terms of addition maintenance/repair bills if they buy a lemon. In short, whether buying cars like these privately or via a dealer, a full service history (from authorised specialists) should be provided along with the prospective buyer commissioning a comprehensive pre purchase inspection from an independent specialist (car on ramps/compression tests etc). It won’t provide any guarantees but will limit your risks with such a substantial investment.
Many local councils have MOT centres which they use for their fleet vehicles. They are truly independant and have no incentive to fail the vehicle since they don't take on private repair work, but do allow the public to get tests there. I do all of my own service & repair work on my three vehicles where possible so favour this approach since I feel I'm less likely to be decieved, it means it is more similar to the irish inspection you mention. The tester will flag things up to me that should also be addressed before the next test as I have a direct relationship with the person actually doing the work. I think I would still do this even if I did have a supercar. In the case of when purchasing a Ferrari however, an MOT I think is insufficient; even when things aren't failures or advisories they can still be detriment to the vehicle however, and of course they won't interrogate the OBD for faults or check usual weak points etc that aren't safety critical. I would want my Ferrari to be perfect, and a car which feels tired may still fly through an MOT unfortunately. Maybe in hindsight you would get Dick Lovett or Meridian Modena to inspect the car first. It might have cost a few hundred quid; but would have saved many thousands - If of course they would have agreed to sell you the car still... We like to think that a shiny well known dealership (and I do know who you mean) will provide a better service, but I never trust dealers because the incentive structure in car sales doesn't often reward honesty unfortunately. I am however glad you are breaking the cycle. It's the right thing to do; and I do believe karma comes around eventually. I hope the 360 looks after James like he has looked after it.
Your best video yet mate! If you buy one of these cars that is 10-15yrs plus - you have a moral obligation to keep it on the road for years to come. A little care by everyone and no one has to take the pain like this poor chap did. Kudos for taking it however, so that all of us can enjoy the car. 🎉
Not an exotic car experience but we bought a 2004 mustang from a chevy dealer which seemed in decent shape...after doing an oil change and using synthetic of course, we soon noticed it was leaving a large puddle under the engine/tranny join area... Not Good! sounded like a rear main seal. the dealer was cool and also a friend... its possible the Previous owner had used a stop leak in the oil b4 trading it in...once we drained That oil, it began to leak again...it was indeed the rear main seal.... the dealer replaced the rear main and front main seal as well as any other leaking gaskets while doing the job... no cost to us... not all dealers stand behind the cars though... that thing also had an exhaust manifold crack that we ended up dealing with on our own.
Here in the Czech Republic (private) sellers of used cars have to cover any costs of any hidden problems up to six months to the new owner... I'm from the UK and live here. it stops sellers ripping you off... Perhaps the UK ought to implement something similar.
Thank you for this video and greetings from New Jersey. Sorry to hear about the misfortunate experience. I do agree with everything you said. Maintenance of the car and sharing the joy with other people like letting them touch, take a picture, sit in the driver's seat even drive them for a mile or two just so they can hear and feel the engine is, in a sense of a duty of every owner. Your videos are very informative. Please keep up the good work! Many thanks.
Wow. A quick google of the wording reveals a dealer I had previously considered using myself (the wording is still there, verbatim). Thanks for the heads-up - a good friend is hunting for a 997 GTS, I'll make sure he avoids Verulamium...
Fantastic video! Thank you for not just throwing blame around. You did fantastic job of balancing the risk your friend chose to take vs the commitments the dealer promised. I really enjoyed weighing the risks and rewards of the purchase you described.
Very nice comments about sharing. Your a nice man, we need more of this. I looked at an Aventador with my young son a few years ago, didn't touch or get too close, stayed at least 4ft away, the owner shouted and got very aggressive, I smiled apologized and he and others looked like they were coming for a fight. We left quickly, in slight shock of the experience. I have never gone near to an expensive exhotic car every since and will not in the future. It was not a pleasant experience. Scary and intimidating.
Is there a car dealer anywhere that when they get a car in doesn't just invest in a showroom wash and clean and then stick it on show? I always assume that dealers just prices in the potential work and then takes the "risk" that if faults are discovered soon after someone buys it they will look good by agreeing to fix faults they should have already picked up, but more often than not faults are not discovered until much later so the dealer gets away without even having to do a basic service.
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Another great video James, your openness & transparency about cars of this nature & the running costs that come with them, which at times can be a bit frightening often gets overlooked, as you say with these & like a lot of other performance cars when they bottom out price wise it puts them in a price bracket where people can buy them but can’t afford to look after them properly, fair play for breaking the cycle fingers crossed the dealership sees this & takes it onboard & raises their standards 👍🏻
As others have said this MOT business from dealers is surprisingly common. Nearly twenty years ago I bought a Japanese import direct from a small importer. Car was fresh from Japan. Was registered for the road and came with an MOT. This seemed good at the time because being a younger man I didn't want the hassle of converting the car/registering it etc. After a short while it became very apparent that the MOT was beyond dodgy. The car didn't have a rear foglight. Typical for a Japanese market car but something which must be changed for the UK. Of course this was just the start and as I dug deeper into the car more things appeared. For example the rear seat belts were missing the sockets so were only of decorative use at best. I was able to resolve the issues as I found them but it did make me wonder if I was pulled over and asked to take a road worthiness check (or whatever they are called) when I had just collected the car that I could be in serious trouble for driving a car with so many problems. I'm not sure that simply saying "I didn't know, look it has a fresh MOT" would have saved me from a kicking.
The internet is full of disaster stories,most of which reflect a minority of cases as only those with grief are motivated to publicise and when investigated, have poor maintenance, with repair and service carried out by people who have little true engineering ability. Julian in the comments below has said it in full and is absolutely correct.And, more importantly this applies to all makes.
I do my best to talk to anyone that asks a question. Gas station fill ups take anywhere from 10 to 30 minutes. I do my best not to be a d*ck about owning one and certainly let everyone take pictures and videos as they please. And of course I let people sit in the car when I can. Thanks for mentioning that we are merely caretakers for the next owners! Well said. Love the vid
OMG So you buy a car without even properly looking at it? Most of the points mentioned from 07:30 are easy to spot. Get the car in the air with the wheels free and you can spot the free play and bearing problems. Silly people... And he had to finance the car? WTF... This is luxury! If you don't have money stay away from these money pits.
Nice video! With Ferraris part of the the art of ownership is knowing what needs to be done now, who to go to get it serviced, and what information is bunk. IN essence, you can be one of two types of owners: one who writes the checks or one who actually works on their car. The former can get taken to the poor house, the latter can trash the car if they don't know what they're doing or substitute their engineering for Ferrari engineering. FYI, the PPI is imperfect in and of itself. Because it says "corroded pipes" it doesn't mean the pipe will explode and needs to be changed NOW, similarly some of the deficiencies are optional like the undertray being cracked or scraped. Hint: front bumpers and undertrays WILL receive rocks. The art of Ferrari ownership is knowing what is mission critical, and what can be deferred. Perfect cars are the most expensive to owner and OCD owners always spend money.
Bravo such a great video. 100% that cars that are beyond the norm are very social things and make peoples day. Also had the same experience with Torque Point (3rd name change in 3 years same people) in Milton Keynes got the std "must've happened on the way home" despite reporting them within 3 hours and the multiple issues obviously having attempted to be fixed previously.
I rewound the part from when you spoke about the Golf R being better than the 360 and onwards. And realised what you said rings true to me. I wouldn't say its limited to exotic cars. I own an JDM Gen 4 twin scroll Subaru Legacy Wagon Daily, 1974 Mk1 Escort 1700, Caterham 7, 1976 Cb200 Scrambler, & CX500 Cafe Racer, so nothing like a 360. But all (bar the legacy, unless you speak to the right car geek) get attention, be it a story about when they owned one, or ask for a picture or want to sit in it, or have their child sit in it etc. (to note all the cars are before my time being born in the late 80s) Also the part about selling a car in the condition you wish to buy one. I feel i sold cars that were at their best when i sold them, be it a wheel refurb or that extra special clean for the "for sale" picture, and the same would hate to hear they had a bad time with it after i sold it. Thanks For The Video! Keep them up!
Great video James - what a distressing set of circumstances. The dealer needs to be put out to pasture. If you can persuade him getting an inspection from Aldous Voce is worth its weight in gold. Not sure if he does PPI's anymore but there is no one else I would trust.
Great video, you see a shiny, supercar that speaks to the heart, you never quite know what bills 💵 are waiting around the corner. Thankfully your pal had the cash to sort the issues…. Goes back to ‘buy the best car you’ can advice, because buying say an entry 360 at c.£50k without at PPI, then finding £10-£20k of maintenance, would shatter the dream for the majority 🤦🏻♂️ Great eye opening video James 👏 well done 👍
Certainly a sobering story for any would be supercar owners, James! I think the moral of the story is, spending a few hundred quid on a specialist PPI, can be worth its weight in gold!
This might sound odd, but that's what happens with the Westfield I have. I visited a friend, when I pulled up at his place, the neighbors came out wondering what the noise was, then a discussion about the car started and a small street party was then underway, all because of the car.
Looks fabulous & the initial shock of the early bill will fade into an irrelevance with every mile. Mine did. They are fantastic cars, especially gated.
Great words about ownership 👏 Fully agree, and the same about sharing the love, had an example recently with my Lotus, small boy beaming on touching it... have my own memories of Lotus as a boy and it was my motivation to buy one
I was virtually screaming at the tv when you were saying how impressive the MOT history was and how that is somehow something to go by. Justice was done at about 8 mins in. MOT history is really not something to pay much attention to. Actual condition is what matters and it really isn't that hard to crawl around underneath and spot some of this stuff yourself.
Not strictly true. If I read an mot history full of low oil levels, dangerous tyres and oil leaks, I know the previous owner/owners didn't look after it. The mot certificate isn't the be all and end all but it's all evidence as to a car's treatment.
Sounds like a problem of people who simply don't have the money trying to run a Ferrari I certainly don't either, but I remember talking a friend out of buying a 30k old Ferrari as they begrudged the service costs on their Vauxhall.
Great story and your comments towards the end about making peoples day snd looking after a car really struck a cord with me. I’ve not had a car worth sharing for a long while but I hope to again one day.
Absolutely love ond totally share with you yours philosophy and motto about the cars, i hope i will at some point of my life able to afford great cars. Especially rules about selling my own car, which when i bought my first car 1,5 year a go previous owner simply didn't give a bit. Take care. Cheers.
James, I’m often running off to the used classifieds looking for an example of the car you’re showing us…… in this case, not. Seriously, it proves that the best of us can still be caught out. All in all it’s a Ferrari and he’ll enjoy it all the more knowing all the big jobs have been done.
Thanks for sharing. If I was a selling as Trade sale, Retail sale or private sale I personally would not want to do so if I knew of significant undisclosed to buyer issues. More than once I have seriously considered retail trading motor cars. Someone who knows me said I would likely make inadequate profit as I am too honest & transparent , (when selling my own cars). Not relating to the car or deal in this video.... I object to sellers that allegedly fail to disclose known issues or infer a vehicle is absent of seller known issues. I bought a Range Rover Sport from a trader with a fresh non advisory MOT only to find it had issues with brake pipes and a caliper....I was not best pleased albeit in hindsight I should have been more thorough on inspection or caused it to be better inspected. It was annoying as the vehicle prior had an advisory on brake lines on an earlier MOT.....I also broke the cycle....I sorted the issues & sold the vehicle on some 18 months later (in far better shape then when I acquired it.
Great report but what I found odd was Dick Lovett not picking up on those corroded brake pipes or the damaged drive shaft? Surely that was why they inspected it wasn't it..... explain please.
These look better than ever at the moment. The styling was criticized when new. But now especially in that yellow it looks a million dollars. That engine sounds amazing in the 360 too. At the time they said the 430 was much better looking but now in 2022 the 360 looks better. Time has been kind to this car.
Doing this with an E30 right now although I went into it with the plan of doing so. I saved up for the value of the car and then saved another 50% of it's value to get it back to new. The idea of saving a car has always been a dream and getting to do it is awesome if you financially plan for it. My car or this 360 wouldn't exist in 10 to 15 years and would just mean one less enthusiast gets to experience their dream in the future. It goes against everything we are taught financially but you realize after many years in the car world that these cars are incredibly finite and dissappearing one by one everyday until nothing is left and what is in unnattainable. Those who can NEED to break this cycle or these cars will no longer be here for those who come after, and that is where this car life dies.
