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Why Darth Bane Established the Rule of Two 

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The Non-Canon Expert explains why Darth Bane established the Rule of Two, discussing how it came to save the Sith Order and was formed on the basis of what Darth Bane had discovered about the ancient Sith and their philosophies.

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@kurono1999
@kurono1999 8 лет назад
Once more the SITH will rule the galaxy and we shall have... peace.
@corruptangel6793
@corruptangel6793 8 лет назад
two there shall be, no more, no less. one to embody the power, the other to crave it. the reason the rule of two died was not just because of vader killing sidious but because it was abandoned. Darth sidious wanted to achieve immortality and stay the sith lord and keep a Neverending supplie of apprentices. the initial promotion ritual for the rule of two was that once the apprentice was convinced the master had no more to reach him/her, the apprentice would then seek out their own apprentice. one a suitable candidate was found the apprentice would then challenge the master in a one-on-one dual to the death. the winner would take the candidate found the the last apprentice as the new one. this insured that even if the apprentice was too weak and was killed by the master, the master would have a suitable replacement right there to start training immediately. this required a level of selflessness and loyalty to the order because each master was in actuality, training their own murderer. Darth bane even stated at one point that if the master is unwilling to make such an important and nessisary sacrifice, then the sith order has already suffered a mortal wound, and it's death is inevitable. which is exactly what happened with darth sidious.
@rydout
@rydout 6 лет назад
+Corrupt Angel exactly. I say this often to Sidious supporters. Darth Bane said that if you are not willing to be killed and replaced by your apprentice then you have already failed. I think Sidious failed from the start in the way he killed Plagueis. It is my understanding that while Darth Bane promoted guile, deception and cunning that was the way to defeat the Jedi. That while these were to be used, it was intended that the apprentice kill the master because they are better, stronger and surpassed the master. Sidious killed Plagueis while he was drunk and asleep and cracked his respirator and watched him run out of oxygen. It didn't prove he had surpassed his master, in fact he hadn't learned everything from Plagueis by far. Furthermore, I do not believe that the Sith Order died because of Vader's actions. I think it's completely possible for someone to learn of the darkside and find teachings of long dead masters and revive the Sith Order. They would be guided by the darkside.
@sebas8225
@sebas8225 5 лет назад
@@rydout The Ro2 apprentices failed right off the bat with Darth Millenial and the Ro2 masters started failing around the times of Tenebrous, Plagueis and Sidious, those 3 werent worthy of being sithlords and Bane would´ve facepalmed at Statements from Sidious regarding the Lightsaber dueling skills of the current Ro2 sith, they were simply put embarrassing
@lordbane729
@lordbane729 5 лет назад
"the reason the rule of two died was not just because of vader killing sidious but because it was abandoned. Darth sidious wanted to achieve immortality and stay the sith lord and keep a Neverending supplie of apprentices."..........WRONG !! It was actually Darth Sidious's OWN Master Darth Plagueis who wanted to become immortal and dismantle the Rule of Two. Darth Sidious did NOT agree with this position.
@rileybenedict1804
@rileybenedict1804 4 года назад
@Troy Goldberg and he almost succeeded in rise of skywalker
@aamirrazak3467
@aamirrazak3467 4 года назад
Right Sidious wanted to keep himself the most powerful and deliberately did not train or teach his apprentices completely about his knowledge, therefore never allowing them to challenge or overthrow him
@eosphorusthegracefallen5195
@eosphorusthegracefallen5195 8 лет назад
"An individual may die. But the Sith are eternal." -Darth Zannah
@sebas8225
@sebas8225 5 лет назад
Funny that logic only lasted well for the first 3 Ro2 sith
@vitorkennedy1862
@vitorkennedy1862 5 лет назад
@@sebas8225 If the force requires balance then the dark side will never die and the sith being the most obvious manifestation of the shadow side will always return. Darth Krayt as an example.
@maxxdahl6062
@maxxdahl6062 4 года назад
Unless both die in a shuttle crash.
@schurging22
@schurging22 3 года назад
*sees 69 likes....cannot touch like* You have sword!
@rydout
@rydout 6 лет назад
“The power of the dark side is strongest if it is concentrated in one vessel. Not spread out among many.” ~Darth Bane
@engilaru
@engilaru 8 лет назад
Let us also not forget that Banes system did accomplish the Siths goal of taking control of the galaxy.
@the_candlemaker4496
@the_candlemaker4496 8 лет назад
It actually did, but not for long
@starwarsreadingclub
@starwarsreadingclub 8 лет назад
Exactly, the Rule of Two was perfect for Darth Bane's Grand Plan and ended up catching both the Jedi Order and Republic completely off guard. I hope that you enjoyed the video Are Storstein.
@the_candlemaker4496
@the_candlemaker4496 8 лет назад
+Keri Couture They had a rebellion and a disloyal population the only thing that kept people in check was a huge military, even then when they took a hit in Return of the Jedi they crumbled.
@Young_BZ
@Young_BZ 8 лет назад
Alright ancient Sith Lords. Too bad Disney don't remember you :/
@sebas8225
@sebas8225 5 лет назад
They do, they just dont want to waste them yet.
@splashnskillz37
@splashnskillz37 4 года назад
@@sebas8225 Disney is changing, they arren't in the wasting bussiness anymore
@PhantomRedKnight
@PhantomRedKnight 5 лет назад
"I am Darth Revan, Dark Lord of the Sith. Those who use the Dark Side are also bound to serve it. To understand this is to understand the underlying philosophy of the Sith. The Dark Side offers power for power's sake. You must crave it. Covet it. You must seek power above all else, with no reservation or hesitation. The Force will change you. It will transform you. Some fear this change. The teachings of the Jedi are focused on fighting and controlling this transformation. That is why those who serve the Light are limited in what they accomplish. True power can come only to those who embrace the transformation. There can be no compromise. Mercy, compassion, loyalty: All these things will prevent you from claiming what is rightfully yours. Those who follow the Dark Side must cast aside these conceits. Those who do not - those who try to walk the path of moderation - will fail, dragged down by their own weakness. Those who accept the power of the Dark Side must also accept the challenge of holding onto it. By its very nature the Dark Side invites rivalry and strife. This is the greatest strength of the Sith: It culls the weak from our order. Yet this rivalry can also be our greatest weakness. The strong must be careful lest they be overwhelmed by the ambitions of those working beneath them in concert. Any master who instructs more than one apprentice in the ways of the Dark Side is a fool. In time, the apprentices will unite their strength and overthrow the master. It is inevitable; axiomatic. That is why each master must have only one student. This is also the reason there can only be one Dark Lord. The Sith must be ruled by a single leader: The very embodiment of the strength and power of the Dark Side. If the leader grows weak, another must rise to seize the mantle. The strong rule; the weak are meant to serve. This is the way it must be. My time here has ended. Take what I have taught you and use it well."
@harrisondansie9542
@harrisondansie9542 8 лет назад
Many excellent points! What's more, I should add, even with the death of Sidious and Vader, Palpatine had a series of lesser apprentices and the Inquisitors to fill the power vaccuum. He must have had faith that the strongest would emerge and reestablish the Rule of Two.
@harrisondansie9542
@harrisondansie9542 8 лет назад
As exemplified by Lumiya.
@starwarsreadingclub
@starwarsreadingclub 8 лет назад
That is an excellent point Harrison. It will be interesting to see what we get in Episode VIII and IX regarding the Sith and the Rule of Two, and to see what has come to fill the power vacuum after Return of the Jedi. Thank you for the support as always Harrison.
@BFjordsman
@BFjordsman 8 лет назад
+Harrison Dansie Mara Jade!
@jrokur551
@jrokur551 8 лет назад
escpecially since we know of Snokes identity now, apparently Palpatine made him a caretaker of Jakku
@chessgeak
@chessgeak 8 лет назад
who is snokes identity
@jonmurphy4889
@jonmurphy4889 7 лет назад
everyone realize that Darth Bane's realization, that the Sith had lost their ways, from which they started from the ancient Sith, he realized that all their views we're flawed etc etc etc, Sounds familiar doesn't it!?! like Luke realizing that Obi-Wan and Yoda new that Yoda's generation of Jedi had lost their ways of their ancient Jedi brothers and sisters, Yoda knew this, Obi-Wan new this, Yoda admits this, but neither of them ever tell Luke so his new generation of Jedi failed because they were based off the teachings, the ways of Yoda's generation of Jedi, now Luke knows the truth and just how flawed Yoda's generation of Jedi had become, we all know that in the EU Luke's new generation of Jedi we're pretty much all Grey Jedi, using both Light side and Dark side powers having found balance, able to use their emotions, have relationships, love etc etc etc, Luke and Kyle Katarn being perfect examples, I Am NOT saying that Bane and Luke mirror each other exactly but what they discovered and the way they discovered it kinda​ does, Bane knew that change had to come in order for the Sith to survive, overcome, endure etc, pretty much the same thing Luke has come to realize, that the Jedi lost their ways, and change is needed.
@Demigod_3scrub
@Demigod_3scrub 6 лет назад
I miss Revan.. Such nice guy honestly.. after he returned to light. .
@splashnskillz37
@splashnskillz37 4 года назад
me too
@apollyonkatastrefia1586
@apollyonkatastrefia1586 8 лет назад
bane is one of my favorite sith.i love his novels. thanks
@ariesstorm9577
@ariesstorm9577 8 лет назад
The rule of two finally came to an end with the death of Lumiya and Darth Caedus in 41 ABY. But the Sith can never die. Instead they evolve and a new order arose in the form of the One Sith, lead by Darth Krayt for over 100 years. "Don't look so surprised. The Sith were always born and reborn within the ranks of the Jedi" - Darth Krayt (former Jedi Master A'Sharad Hett) to Cade Skywalker
@starwarsreadingclub
@starwarsreadingclub 8 лет назад
Wow, what a great quote! Thank you for posting that Darth Marder.
@ChrisHJohnson93
@ChrisHJohnson93 8 лет назад
Hey I got a video for you The Rule of two vs The Rule of one.
@dazdavis7896
@dazdavis7896 6 лет назад
Darth Marder Sith Juggernaut No. That makes Anakin's entire storyline, which is literally the story of Star Wars, Completely irrelevant..... which is exactly why None of the awfully written post-ROTJ content EVER even existed to begin with. None of it ever happened...... Unlike the old republic , the post-ROTJ content was Never canon content from the very start, Lucas has said over and over again that there was never a Mara Jade or a Darth Caedus or ANY of that. And that all of that post-Ep6 content completely contradicts the entire Star Wars storyline altogether, and that None of it ever happened in the actual Star Wars timeline. Period....... he did a segment with AMC in 2008 to clarify exactly that once and for all.. for all of the ppl who couldn't accept reality and couldn't accept what they were told. So he went on and did a whole segment on it with AMC to clarify once and for all that Nothing past ROTJ ever took place in the Star Wars universe. www.amc.com/talk/2008/03/george-lucas-th So, No.... The Sith ended with Darth Vader and Darth Sidious, when came the return of Anakin Skywalker, and the fact that he finally fulfilled the ancient prophecy of Mortis and brought balance within the Force.
@sebas8225
@sebas8225 5 лет назад
Caedus and Lumiya werent true Ro2 sith.
@darthmadeus
@darthmadeus 7 лет назад
If I were yall and if you want a more in depth look into Darth Bane, then definitely check out the Darth Bane book trilogy , Path of Destruction, Rule or Two, and Dynasty of Evil. I've read them all at least 5 times and they are just amazing
@louisvarre2197
@louisvarre2197 7 лет назад
The SW Reading Club established the Rule of 3: Master, Apprentice, and drum roll...You guessed it! Grand Admiral Thrawn! lol
@Reaper00140
@Reaper00140 8 лет назад
The Rule of Two was a huge gamble but was also the best possible choice for sith as a whole. The entire philosophy of the Sith order about pursuing power by any means necessary just wasn't sustainable for a large organization of dark side users. Without a common enemy to fight, a larger sith order would very quickly devolve into infighting and destroy itself. While a gamble, the rule of two did technically pay off, if only for a couple of decades. If you wanted a large organization of Dark side force users like the Jedi order, then it would have to follow a different philosophy than the sith.
@splashnskillz37
@splashnskillz37 4 года назад
I think the best system for the Sith would be: 3 Dark Lords: Master, Enforcer and Apprentice Up to a maximum of 8 Assassins/Inquisitors who are powerful compared to the jedi but not close as powerful as the dark lords With everyone keeping each other in check, if someone f*cks up, that someone is to be killed for weakness
@BillieBee_
@BillieBee_ 8 лет назад
This idea has been killing me, why did Yoda die from old age only 20 some years after his quite healthy hey day?
@cindywilliford2878
@cindywilliford2878 7 лет назад
William Murbach Space AIDS on Dagobah. A murky swamp like that isn't healthy for anyone.
@karamason
@karamason 5 лет назад
Dagobah is full of dark side power, my guess he was drained hiding there.
@sebas8225
@sebas8225 5 лет назад
He was way beyond his prime, he could only use 5/6 of his power in the force.
@titekubo1997
@titekubo1997 3 года назад
I know I am 4 years late but yoda was 980 years old he was that strong imagine him in his prime.
@AROBASPARK
@AROBASPARK 7 лет назад
Darth Revan and Bane should be two Anthology movies that should be made, as their Philosophy is what brings the Order of Two to be formulated - first proposed by Revan and Impose under Bane. Suggested video - Is there an establish lineage of Sith Between Zannah and Tenebrous? Considering that's worth 900+ years worth to look at the Sith taught in that line and their achievements before the time of Darth Tenebrous, Plagueis' Master.
@chankajayaweera2837
@chankajayaweera2837 6 лет назад
That topic is explained to some degree in the Darth plagueis novel
@jellecremers8480
@jellecremers8480 8 лет назад
You are Canon now
@mychemicalescape9581
@mychemicalescape9581 7 лет назад
All of this here is from the book trilogy,the character is canon,but his books are still considered Legends.
@aidankeogh9994
@aidankeogh9994 8 лет назад
In a way, Darth Bane was the "New Hope" of the Sith Order. Sith'ari and all that.
@sebas8225
@sebas8225 5 лет назад
He was the chosen one!
@jamespoelvoorde4414
@jamespoelvoorde4414 8 лет назад
Awsome a purely EU video very refreshing from the Canon stuff great work on the video!
@starwarsreadingclub
@starwarsreadingclub 8 лет назад
I am very happy to hear that you enjoyed the change of pace with this one James. Thank you for the support!
@hassaan5809
@hassaan5809 8 лет назад
The Real Canon will not be intimidated by the Disney Canon.
@electricpotroast8402
@electricpotroast8402 8 лет назад
Great video again. I love anything to do with Darth Bane. Kahn and the brother hood of darkness were so afraid of competition that they dropped the Darth title from there names because it issued a challenge to other Sith lords. I love that Bane came back to the academy and in front of everyone named himself Darth Bane, issuing the challenge to all who dare step forward. He was such a bad ass.
@starwarsreadingclub
@starwarsreadingclub 8 лет назад
Thank you as always for the kind words EP. I am a huge Darth Bane fan myself; he is definitely in my top 3 characters in all of Star Wars. That was definitely a great scene, and I remember being fascinated with the fact that Bane brought the Darth title back to the Sith. I thought that that was an excellent touch and really symbolized Bane's denouncing of the Brotherhood. I really need to read the trilogy again soon. Thank you again EP.
@rick-ry3kj
@rick-ry3kj 8 лет назад
Darth Bane kicked ass, guided by Revan, those two are the pinnacle of the Dark Side`s success.
@alexbambury6739
@alexbambury6739 8 лет назад
Reven was a very respected sith. So why didn't he implement the rule of two. Seeming he had already noticed the floors in the current sith ideology.
@frankg2790
@frankg2790 8 лет назад
He needed every person he could get to fight for him.
@diamondwoods2039
@diamondwoods2039 8 лет назад
Because he wasn't an idiot like Bane
@frankg2790
@frankg2790 8 лет назад
diamond woods Says everyone who only knows the basics about Star Wars.
@diamondwoods2039
@diamondwoods2039 8 лет назад
+Frank G Bane is an idiot and it costed the destruction of the Sith.
@frankg2790
@frankg2790 8 лет назад
diamond woods How the fuck was Darth bane supposed to know that Tenebrous, Plagueis, and Emperor Palpatine, who would not be born until centuries after his death, would screw up everything?
@randallpetroelje3913
@randallpetroelje3913 4 года назад
The rule of two is absolutely brilliant, No more, no less. I love it. Seriously,? How many people can you teach and whittle them down until you find a good pupil. Bane was right.
@Captainoob
@Captainoob 8 лет назад
I'm smashing that like button for both you and ancient Sith Lords. Keep up the fantastic content!
@christopherkidwell9817
@christopherkidwell9817 5 лет назад
Darth Bane actually weakened the Sith in the real world by doing this "Rule of Two" nonsense. Look at the Sith Lords that came before him: They could do things that the modern Sith could not even imagine doing. I honestly think that Bane was not the Sith'ari but the prophesied one to destroy the Sith.
@SovereignStatesman
@SovereignStatesman 8 лет назад
Obviously the Rule of Two is because the Sith are ruthlessly competitive, and if there wree more than one apprentice then they could gang up on the Master.
@DARTHBLUNT713
@DARTHBLUNT713 5 лет назад
This came out on my Birthday back 3 years ago and I forget to comment on it thanks you cuz Darth Bane's Rule of Two is my favorite Sith
@lukasr1166
@lukasr1166 7 лет назад
i don't understand why darth bane is canon revan should be canon also.. the reason why bane created the rule of two? revans teachings it makes sense! not like the canon we got bane created the rule of two becuse? and he knew that would make the sith stronger than ever becuse? there is no answer to that in canon!
@justinashley9529
@justinashley9529 8 лет назад
I thoroughly enjoy all of your videos. I am an avid reader and huge Star Wars fan and I was excited to find someone with as much knowledge and interest in the subject as I have. Kudos my brother.
@corruptangel6793
@corruptangel6793 8 лет назад
READ. THE. TRILOGY. DON'T BE LAZY, IT'S A GOOD READ
@darthnox2210
@darthnox2210 5 лет назад
I personally fail to see how waiting for an enemy to become weak and overthrowing them when that happens is an example of strength. The rule of two sith also became weaker in the years between killing their master and finding an apprentice as they were too busy playing politician and hiding in the shadows to freely practice and grow their Dark Side prowess. Lord Momin was a fanatical fool but he was right about one thing, The Sith had indeed become Jedi obsessed weaklings.
@beaupierrebondurant5651
@beaupierrebondurant5651 Год назад
The Baneite Reformation saved the Sith order.
@bryanwakefield5123
@bryanwakefield5123 8 лет назад
I loved the Darth Bane trilogy. I think I will read for third time... Thanks!
@mikeyc6643
@mikeyc6643 8 лет назад
what if count dooku never died?
@christhechiss3666
@christhechiss3666 8 лет назад
Fuck Tyranus, Maul should have been the prequel villiain
@BFjordsman
@BFjordsman 8 лет назад
+Darth Handsome and the story should have revolved around obi wan. How it should have ended did an awesome rewrite of the prequels
@natebun24
@natebun24 8 лет назад
I'm thinking about getting the Book of the Sith, to read. Is there a better one for the origins of the Sith?
@calisurfin
@calisurfin 6 лет назад
natebun24 w
@beaupierrebondurant5651
@beaupierrebondurant5651 Год назад
Darth Bane was the second greatest sith Lord.
@Kevin-pj4yd
@Kevin-pj4yd 8 лет назад
If you talk just one more time about the rule of 2, I swear I ll make you watch the Phantom menace twice in a row. I know this may seem barbaric but you leave me no choice
@thomasparque7834
@thomasparque7834 6 лет назад
I think Rey is like a Jedi version of the Legends Darth Bane
@MrRonald327
@MrRonald327 5 лет назад
Never underestimate the power of the light!
@HenryJordan1991
@HenryJordan1991 8 лет назад
Do a video on darth zannah
@Demigod_3scrub
@Demigod_3scrub 6 лет назад
There is no peace, Only Passion..
@tripsquared_greenworks
@tripsquared_greenworks 8 лет назад
Why do you keep showing Grand Admiral Thrawn's picture when you are not talking about him?
@christhechiss3666
@christhechiss3666 8 лет назад
He does this in all of his video's. Thrawn is the host of this channel and talk to us
@charlesxavier1904
@charlesxavier1904 8 лет назад
the funny thing is the brotherhood of darkness almost had the war win against the Jedi.
@sebas8225
@sebas8225 5 лет назад
In russan yes, in the rest of the galaxy? No
@BFjordsman
@BFjordsman 8 лет назад
Palpatine clones? no legacy no life. reject Disney canon
@sebas8225
@sebas8225 5 лет назад
@BlackDeathViral03 Honestly I´d rather they just made cloning discovered in the new republic, instead of having it already achieved in the old republic, it leaves room for a lot of bad writting.
@ryanaumann
@ryanaumann 8 лет назад
You know I'm gonna like it, alright. Keep up the good work.
@brokenhillvideos9937
@brokenhillvideos9937 6 лет назад
You know funny thing about the brotherhood of darkness when you learn about them you realize that the brotherhood isn't to different from the jedi order in the prequel movies. For which each group was letting internal politics destroy them. In the brotherhoods case it was from sith trying to rise over other sith. Where in the jedi it was actual politics cause the jedi had basically surrendered to the will of the Senate instead of the will of the force. Which in both groups eventually weakened them to the point of near extinction or extinction in the brotherhood's case. In fact I could rival that both groups mirrored each other so much in that regard that they are almost the same group both following a failing philosophy but unable or unwilling to see it until it was far to late. Which is why I feel that both groups needed to die in some cases threw the lore one group either jedi or sith can be nearly destroyed but they always come back stronger. If only for a time having fixed past weakness. So it will be interested in the new cannon and everything which way both groups will continue to grow and how much they will have to steal from legends to do so. Cause let's face it Disney you think it's not a good idea if it isn't yours, but if you can get away with stealing it you will do so and do it shamelessly.
@sebas8225
@sebas8225 5 лет назад
Bane also shares a lot in common with Anakin, being exploited from very early on his childhood grewing up as a military commando and then ultimately ending a sithlord.
@henry7001
@henry7001 8 лет назад
Wow there was way more to it then i thought...Great Vid!
@Demigod_3scrub
@Demigod_3scrub 6 лет назад
i can belive the sith trained with swords covered in poison... "trained"..
@sebas8225
@sebas8225 5 лет назад
Yeah, they did they wanted to induce extra pain in the apprentices to make them stronger
@mattb9471
@mattb9471 8 лет назад
Something I never quite understood is if or how a Dark Lord's power is passed on to the apprentice upon their deaths. Does every Dark Lord have a holocron that they store their knowledge in? Maybe some type of "quickening"? It seems to me that with the Sith desire for power, both containing and maintaining it, that it would be illogical for a Sith Lord to teach their apprentice their most powerful abilities. Sith Apprentices, by definition are there to "crave the power", it seems highly probable that an apprentice would kill their master when the opportunity presents itself, rather than waiting until the master has run out of knowledge to pass on.
@firudu
@firudu 8 лет назад
if the master doesnt give the apprentice enough knowledge, he might conclude there is nothing more to learn, and attempt an assassination. so either the master would die without having passed on enough knowledge to accomplish the sith imperative, or the master would be left without an apprentice, and would have wasted years. remember, the sith dont just crave power, they also want to destroy the jedi order. they are more than dark side users. so the master HAS to teach the apprentice everything he knows
@mattb9471
@mattb9471 8 лет назад
+firudu That still doesn't make sense though. Sith Lords know that there is always more power to gain. It's logical for example to assume that Palpatine was still learning new powers when he was betrayed, not to mention abilities Vader had yet to learn. Had Vader killed the Emperor and then either killed or turned Luke, how would Vader become more powerful than Palpatine if Palpatine had additional abilities Vader either was unaware of or had yet to learn himself?
@robertbuchanan4664
@robertbuchanan4664 8 лет назад
This video is great
@glenallister1252
@glenallister1252 8 лет назад
sidious. favorite character EVER! CLEARLY forgot how to math when he allowed vader to have become the rule of 2 APPRENTICE!! LAST time I CHECKED, Anakin didn't even HAVE all of his body parts upon accepting the title of sith apprentice. rule of 2? More like rule of 1 and a half. Go home Palpatine, ur drunk, always roundin up n s***. Last call for alcohol buddy, call u a space cab, pay some space money, and get u some space bitches. You deserve it! And thank YOU Non-canon expert, you've out done yourself once again!!!!
@PapiBocaChula
@PapiBocaChula 8 лет назад
Also what was Anakins reason to turn to the Darkside????
@tylersanmiguel5409
@tylersanmiguel5409 8 лет назад
He was manipulated and lied to, he turned to the Dark Side thinking that he would save his loved ones and bring peace to the galaxy.
@PapiBocaChula
@PapiBocaChula 8 лет назад
Here is my theory.. Darth Vader is Snoke.. Ezra or Maul is the first Knight of Ren (Revan). And what Darth Vader began was to destroy and rebuild the Sith as he saw fit.. Just as Revan's lightside became one with the Force, so did Darth Vader. Only the Darkside prevented him from fully dying.. He used the teachings of Ancient Sith n what he learned from Sidious and his Master to cheat death.. Sidious clearly admitted so. " to cheat death, is the Power ONLY ONE HAS ACHIEVED." Implying Sidious knew he trully didnt kill his Master. And if i am correct. We will get another.. "Your grandfather isnt dead, I Am Your Grandfather!!!!"... Vader is the Cash cow of Star Wars.. Period... Of course i could be wrong.. But look closely to how VaderVader's mask looks. Then compare it to how Snoke looks.. Where the mask melted more is where Snoke's eye and the side of his mouth is all messed up n disfigured. The Disney called in Hayden to shoot his face again. And The way Snoke looks was the end result.. His vocal cords might have been damaged in the fire at the end of ROTJ. Hence why Hayden didnt do the Voice of Snoke... Whats going on in Rebels with that Sith Holocron is at the heart of what is going on in the Movies.. What did Vader do all those years under the shadow of Sidious?? Anakin was wise beyond his years, he wasnt going to just be Sidious's puppet.. He clearly told Padme, " make the galaxy the way we want it to be"... Make a video on this topic. From Revan to Bane to the Sith'ari to Star Wars Rebels to Plagueis to Sidious. Connecting it all. And if not for me.. For Darth Sidioussssssss
@Demigod_3scrub
@Demigod_3scrub 6 лет назад
but come to think of it ... bane seeked out immortality as well..so...? but thats only because his apprentice Zahnna would not rise up and face him.. bane thought she was waiting on him to grow and weak ... then face him.. So he sought out the essence transfer technique to insure he could train another apprentice.. to take his place just in case Darth Zahnna didnt rise up to the challenge. . by then it had already been over 10 plus years.. and zannah still didnt challenge him.. Zannah wasnt a coward tho .. she was just buying her time so she could seek her own apprentice.. then challenge bane.. if she fell.. then her apprentice would become bane's new apprentice if bane saw them worthy.. and vice versa if bane were to fall by zannah she would take the. title as dark lord begin training her new apprentice. . so basically it was big misunderstanding on both there parts.. in the end they did fight and while bane had the upper in saber combat and raw strength zannah still came out victorious.. And took bane's new apprentice under her teachings.. while zannah 's old apprentice Set Harth..a Dark Jedi.. fled .. to do his own thing.. he didnt really want ti be her apprentice. . but if he refused zannah would've killed him..so.. but set harth looked at it as an opportunity for him to learn about sith soccery from for his own gain and nothing. .but things didnt turn out as plan. but Set Harth did flee with Darth Endeddu's Holocron.. the same holocron that bane had found and learned how to use the essence tranfer technique. with..
@Demigod_3scrub
@Demigod_3scrub 6 лет назад
but come to think of it ... bane seeked out immortality as well..so...? but thats only because his apprentice Zahnna would not rise up and face him.. bane thought she was waiting on him to grow and weak ... then face him.. So he sought out the essence transfer technique to insure he could train another apprentice.. to take his place just in case Darth Zahnna didnt rise up to the challenge. . by then it had already been over 10 plus years.. and zannah still didnt challenge him.. Zannah wasnt a coward tho .. she was just buying her time so she could seek her own apprentice.. then challenge bane.. if she fell.. then her apprentice would become bane's new apprentice if bane saw them worthy.. and vice versa if bane were to fall by zannah she would take the. title as dark lord begin training her new apprentice. . so basically it was big misunderstanding on both there parts.. in the end they did fight and while bane had the upper in saber combat and raw strength zannah still came out victorious.. And took bane's new apprentice under her teachings.. while zannah 's old apprentice Set Harth..a Dark Jedi.. fled .. to do his own thing.. he didnt really want ti be her apprentice. . but if he refused zannah would've killed him..so.. but set harth looked at it as an opportunity for him to learn about sith soccery from for his own gain and nothing. .but things didnt turn out as plan. but Set Harth did flee with Darth Endeddu's Holocron.. the same holocron that bane had found and learned how to use the essence tranfer technique. with..
@donluchitti
@donluchitti 6 лет назад
the entire rule of 2 premise is unrealistic. In reality, if there's a warlord of immense power who rules a region, any aspiring tyrants or challengers to this warlord, instead of challenge him will simply move to establish their reign in an area sufficiently far away from said warlord. And don't try to say that the galaxy isn't big enough for more than 2 sith. The canon has established planets that are difficult to reach.
@Shadowrulzalways
@Shadowrulzalways 8 лет назад
Legends continuity is the original canon. Disney did say that when they announced the old EU no longer being main canon but still regarded as old canon (meaning original). Legends is its own canon. A separate continuity.
@hachmanno
@hachmanno 8 лет назад
I just got finished playing the KotoR games, and I was wondering which version of Darth Revan was the (formerly) Canon one?
@kathiresanduraisamy3306
@kathiresanduraisamy3306 4 года назад
The Rule of Two is not perfect as Bane believed it to be. The Sith Rule of Two was designed to eliminate the Jedi. Once the Jedi were mostly destroyed and with no enemies to fight, Vader and Sidious turned on each other and their Order imploded. Unlike the Jedi who thrived on peace and order, the Sith flourished on conflict and chaos. Simply put, the Jedi are peacekeepers that are not fit to fight wars, while the Sith are warmongers who cannot maintain peace. Bane didn't consider what will happen after the Jedi destruction. Remember, he made this rule from Revan's incomplete teachings as the Halocron was damaged, hence his information is somewhat flawed. This flaw turned out to be fatal as there was no Sith left after the death of Vader and Sidious. What Revan truly meant was that a Sith should constantly seek out power and invite challenge to keep themselves sharp. He advised to keep the apprentices to one only to lower the treachery within their ranks. He never said that there should be only two Sith at any time. Bane only had half the pieces of the puzzle but only saw what he wanted to see. His perfect Rule of Two was doomed to failure from the beginning and he didn't even know it. Then again arrogance was always the downfall of Sith.
@Demigod_3scrub
@Demigod_3scrub 6 лет назад
I miss Revan.. Such nice guy honestly.. after he returned to light. .
@BX--nq6gf
@BX--nq6gf 4 года назад
Why was the rule established, again? The US army doesn't have a single officer and enlist. That's not very smart.
@betterlatethannever4529
@betterlatethannever4529 4 года назад
I'm tired of trying to convice people why the Rule of Two isn't stupid. I'll just send them here.
@jessicajujubean5004
@jessicajujubean5004 2 года назад
He had trouble remembering names and didn't wanna have to have a bunch of pupils to confuse him.
@vasilitheocharis2773
@vasilitheocharis2773 3 года назад
But, sith master who support the rule of two never care about the fact that their apprentice will murder them.They want sacrifice their selves for dark side.
@MetuendusDominus
@MetuendusDominus 7 лет назад
The cycle would continue if the there were only 2 at one time you know unless the master beat all their apprentices who duelled them killing the cycle because of the sheer amount of power they possessed luckily that never happened however unlikely that was
@freyahanmore7374
@freyahanmore7374 8 лет назад
please do more post rotj legends story's
@starwarsreadingclub
@starwarsreadingclub 8 лет назад
That is a good idea Freya. I will see if I can come up with something interesting. The era certainly is ripe with great content. I hope that you enjoyed the video Freya.
@ladyriethegoldendelmo5441
@ladyriethegoldendelmo5441 3 года назад
shouldnt they just do rule of 1 because even 2 they can back stabbed each other lol
@Artorion
@Artorion 3 года назад
The rule of two is getting boring we need many sith in the movie's they should expell the practice
@BFjordsman
@BFjordsman 8 лет назад
lost tribe from "fate of jedi" seemed to be doing okay, even got little Ben Skywalker a new sith girl friend
@cpltrickie
@cpltrickie 8 лет назад
Again I gave a like, for ancient Sith Lords.
@_Nasrid_
@_Nasrid_ 8 лет назад
Is this guys voice always in sarcastic mode, or is it just me?
@Ironwalrus8989
@Ironwalrus8989 8 лет назад
Can you talk about Darth Kryat and the one Sith please?
@sauron7175
@sauron7175 8 лет назад
great video man thank you now I know why the sith always killed their own
@ryansanico6539
@ryansanico6539 5 лет назад
DARTH REVAN IS MY FAVORITE CHARACTER IN THE OLD REPUBLIC AREA.
@danielschristopher7
@danielschristopher7 2 года назад
Please Please Please Please redo this video with better audio
@johncunnare4892
@johncunnare4892 7 лет назад
What was the action, that finally activated the Sith plan???
@CloneScavengerVulpin8389
@CloneScavengerVulpin8389 2 года назад
Darth bane's plan was necessary
@zerovalon6243
@zerovalon6243 8 лет назад
lol I put ur likes to 666 how fitting
@mikkelnpetersen
@mikkelnpetersen 4 года назад
The force always finds a way.
@governm3nt697
@governm3nt697 8 лет назад
What if Luke and Wedge failed to destroy the Death Star? (Luke simply missed the exhaust. Han caused Vader to fly off so Luke and Wedge can still escape.)
@DeDraconis
@DeDraconis 8 лет назад
Good video. I think the rule of two was a bad decision on Darth Bane's part, though. It neglects to factor in the fact that a Sith Master may loose power as they age, allowing a weaker Apprentice to kill them when that student is in their prime. Even if the student was not as powerful as the Master was in their prime. It also doesn't factor in treachery which can be just as, if not more, effective than simply getting one of their contemporaries to help gang up on the master. It's a good base concept but it really should have been thought through more.
@electricpotroast8402
@electricpotroast8402 8 лет назад
Darth Bane actually addresses everything you just said in the books. By the end of the third book Darth Bane was looking to replace Zannah with a new apprentice because he thought Zannah may simply be waiting for him to become old and weak. As far as the deception and treachery goes, these are tools of the dark that Bane encouraged and gave Zannah credit for using against him. An honorable death was a fools death in Bane's and he was master of deception and guile. The rule of two did have it's flaws but was ultimately what caused the Sith to have more success then they had ever had and achieve their goal. The dark side is not something to be watered down and dispersed among many, but more a force to be mastered and harnessed by One to embody the power and one to crave it.
@DeDraconis
@DeDraconis 8 лет назад
I haven't read any of the books. I would love to watch a video expanding more on the flaws of the Rule of Two; detailing when and how they were rationalized by the Sith and when it cost them the most. I understand how treachery is prized by the Dark Side, but at the same time, I think even the Sith can acknowledge some behaviors as "cheap." For example, you can still have the Rule of Two in place with no other Dark Side users involved, but hire a bunch of force-insensitive mercenaries to help you kill your Master. Or you could use a bomb that wipes out the whole city the Master is in with no chance for them to escape/resist. It counts, but I feel like the dead Sith's force ghost (if they had them) would be like, "Really, dude?"
@sebas8225
@sebas8225 5 лет назад
@@DeDraconis I read the books, the flaws of the Ro2 were mainly showcased in the 3rd book dynasty of evil, there´s also a Dark Jedi character named Set Harth used to showcase how the Ro2 wont work with selfish dark force users which ends up undermining the rule, by Tenebrous, Plagueis and Palps times, since they werent really interested in being killed by their apprentices to begin with (something in common with Set Harth who wanted to be apprentice to learn the secrets of the dark side, then dispose Zannah and then keep doing what he desired without bothering getting a apprentice). On the Matter of treachery, there were cases like Darth Tenebrous death, where he choose to witheld information from plagueis about Darth Venemous, to punish him, for making such a bad planned treasonous action to kill him.
@KeithKHE
@KeithKHE 8 лет назад
hey so watching this video, I just remembered that revan is the guy you play as in knights of the old republic. is that game an imaginary scenario? or is that his canon story?
@daswasich1147
@daswasich1147 8 лет назад
Do the grey Jedi exist? and was qui gon jinn one of them?
@ToastedAnimations
@ToastedAnimations 8 лет назад
yes
@jjthejetplane9238
@jjthejetplane9238 8 лет назад
Asoka, Galen Marek/Starkiller, Reven, Mace Windu...
@andreiefectivuatafac1966
@andreiefectivuatafac1966 3 года назад
The Grey Jedi suck
@daswasich1147
@daswasich1147 3 года назад
@@andreiefectivuatafac1966 bruh it's a 4 year old comment with 1 like and very little interaction (not to speak of the almost nonexistent amount of substance it offers) how far did you scroll to tell me this weird faction in a dying franchise sucks? XDD
@andreiefectivuatafac1966
@andreiefectivuatafac1966 3 года назад
@@daswasich1147 idk :D But the concept of people who use "both sides of the force" shouldnt (doesnt) exist
@HoisinCrispyOwl
@HoisinCrispyOwl 8 лет назад
Your content is amazing brother. Great reviews and well-explained discussion. Keep it up!
@michaeliv284
@michaeliv284 4 года назад
I like the idea of Darth Krayt's Rule of One. One Sith to represent the order with many minions
@emperorsean1
@emperorsean1 8 лет назад
i know ive asked this before but cud u do a video on what training is actually involved and what trials does one take to become a sith and what did palpatine teach darth vader?
@Eroll-dw8ex
@Eroll-dw8ex 8 лет назад
I wonder... who is on your profile's image ?
@dimondmine2727
@dimondmine2727 8 лет назад
I believe that's Grand Admiral Thrawn
@warcloudwu5698
@warcloudwu5698 8 лет назад
why can't we get a film based on the sith lords linerage. .
@rick-ry3kj
@rick-ry3kj 8 лет назад
Because Disney sucks big balls.
@zizusami1498
@zizusami1498 8 лет назад
read lost stars
@OrthodoxLegion907
@OrthodoxLegion907 8 лет назад
1:WHO IS SUPREME LEADER SNOKE??¿?? 2:WHAT IF THE CIS WON THE CLONE WARS WITH DARTH SIDIOUS??¿?? 3:HOW DARTH VADER ESCAPED FROM GALEN MAREK??¿?? 4:WHAT WERE THE RELIGIONS IN STAR WARS UNIVERSE??¿??
@zandernewson5044
@zandernewson5044 8 лет назад
Sidious would have never let the separatists win. They were too unstable and weak to hold any substantial power. They were, in effect, a rebellion that wanted to be independent, rather than under any type of universal government. Sidious would more likely plot to take power from the Jedi and rule over the republic, slowly turning it into a dictatorship. If you mean, had Count Dokuu killed palpatine then I think he would have tried to use the separatists to bring down the republic and create his own "loose" sovereign dictatorship. Count Dokuu would likely be political than Sidous who used the Dark side to control. As they were already losing in just three years, he'd likely try and bring peace with the republic, rather than win out right. Without a purpose, the weak separatists would likely argue as to who should take control. They would eventually fight one another, and Dokuu would have been killed eventually.
@nerfultimatehackhd9737
@nerfultimatehackhd9737 8 лет назад
Your asking the same thing on almost every Star Wars vid on RU-vid
@adamschasel6004
@adamschasel6004 8 лет назад
Quit posting this everywhere.
@zandernewson5044
@zandernewson5044 8 лет назад
+Adam Schasel Good questions though.
@adamschasel6004
@adamschasel6004 8 лет назад
+Alex Newson They are it's just getting annoying seeing them everywhere.
@sbs3000
@sbs3000 8 лет назад
+Star Wars Reading Club: I've been enjoying your videos very much since discovering them a few weeks ago. Thanks for making them! After this video, I'm very interested in learning more about Darth Bane's early training and his quest to uncover Sith lore. Can you tell me what books, comics, etc. I should seek out to get a complete picture? Thanks for your help.
@firudu
@firudu 8 лет назад
the books (starting with darth bane:path of destruction) are all i know, but i dont think there is much else story-wise. the audiobook is awesome to listen to, you should get that 😃
@starwarsreadingclub
@starwarsreadingclub 8 лет назад
Thank you very much for the kind words Scott. As firudu noted, for more on Darth Bane's early training and journey to uncover the ancient philosophies of the Sith, I would head towards the books, and in particular the Darth Bane trilogy (i.e. Path of Destruction, Rule of Two and Dynasty of Evil). These were my favourite Star Wars books and they will help to complete the picture for sure. Thank you again and I hope you enjoy the upcoming videos.
@sbs3000
@sbs3000 8 лет назад
Thanks very much for the info! I'll look into getting those books ASAP. And thanks again for the videos. They're entertaining and informative for someone who has always been interested in the Expanded Universe but never really got into it firsthand.
@steakbiscuit1
@steakbiscuit1 8 лет назад
On the rule of two. I know Darth Maul was his apprentice. But I always wondered about Count Dooku, and General Greivous, Was they his apprentices also was he breaking the rule of two? Was that part of his plan all along? Thanks!
@AddictusSaevire
@AddictusSaevire 8 лет назад
I could be wrong, but Maul wasn't really his apprentice. More of a trained Sith Assassin manipulated into thinking he was an apprentice for loyalty. Again I could be wrong.
@steakbiscuit1
@steakbiscuit1 8 лет назад
Possible, but that still would leave Grievous, and Dooku. It does look as if Dooku was Sidious' apprentice, and Grievous as Dooku's. I do know some say Grievous was not a force user just someone skilled in saber battle. Even though the force unleashed isn't canon. I can see a connection a bit. Sidious' protege' taking on a apprentice like in the clone wars perhaps. Thanks for the comment!!
@Achiles5th
@Achiles5th 7 лет назад
Grievous was more of a Jedi killer than anything, inability to sense the force sort of shoots your boat out of the water when it comes to being a sith or a jedi.
@FullCaber
@FullCaber 8 лет назад
what are jawas :C
@corruptangel6793
@corruptangel6793 8 лет назад
nice video btw
@darthmalgus6399
@darthmalgus6399 8 лет назад
Love your vids
@mikewheeler4661
@mikewheeler4661 8 лет назад
Another great video. Keep them coming!
@BFjordsman
@BFjordsman 8 лет назад
bane my 2nd favorite "hero" after thrawn
@marajade2932
@marajade2932 8 лет назад
Good Job
@Kubinda12345
@Kubinda12345 8 лет назад
You made excellent points but nonetheless the Rule of Two is extremely fragile. Since there are only max. 2 Sith - 1 in a time of transition - the Sith Order is extremely vulnerable to extinction. If there only 1 Sith and he makes a mistake which causes his death the entire order dies as well. If there are two Sith and the apprentice challenges the master but overestimates his chances it's very possible that the two Sith would kill each other in a duel or that one would win but the other one would die later because of the injuries. And this flaw was proofed in the Return of the Jedi. The apprentice killed the master but died of the injuries and as a result the entire Sith Order was gone.
@hombreg1
@hombreg1 8 лет назад
The sith die, their lore is found and the sith return... Sith themselves can't really become extinct because the lure of the dark side is ever present.
@Kubinda12345
@Kubinda12345 8 лет назад
That's based on quite a random event. Dark siders will of course return as seen shortly after Endor when there were Acolytes of the Beyond and now with the Knights of Ren. But true Sith? Who knows.
@starwarsreadingclub
@starwarsreadingclub 8 лет назад
These are some great points Kubinda, as with the Rule of Two, it was definitely more likely that a single event could wipe out both Master and Apprentice, leaving no Sith remaining. However, what I would look at is the alternative, which is what Darth Bane was looking to avoid and what Darth Revan also recognized. If you train multiple Apprentices, then the Sith Order will eventually be destroyed as well, although over the long run and not potentially in a single event (thought bombs excluded :)). This is because the very nature of the dark side, underpinned by rivalry and strife, would cause multiple Apprentices to ally together to defeat stronger Sith, whereby a cycle would start where the Sith would get subsequently weaker and weaker, instead of stronger, making them easy targets for the Jedi. So to Darth Bane, rather counter-intuitively, it was actually more likely that many Sith would result in the ruin of the entire Sith Order rather than with only two Sith existing. Knowing that multiple Sith instructed in the dark side would certainly end the Sith Order, Bane turned to the Rule of Two (which isn't to say that he didn't think that the Rule of Two didn't have its own merit, because he definitely did as well). Thank you for the great comment Kubinda. I greatly appreciate the support and I hope you enjoy the upcoming videos.
@Kubinda12345
@Kubinda12345 8 лет назад
I understand Baine's position. He - and Revan - were right about the weaknesses and strengths of the dark side. The problem is that the solution they made up is flawed. But I've alternative ones. The Rule of One. However the problem with this is that it can't be assured that the ruling Sith would be so much more powerful than the rest of them. In legends in wasn't working that well for Darth Krayt's Sith but it basically worked for Vitiate's Sith even though that wasn't technically Rule of One. Another possibility is two or even more lineages while each would work under the Rule of Two. The problem with this is however that the various lineages would probably conspire against each other. It's a conundrum. The dark side grands power but causes betrayal which leads to downfall. Perhaps it's a problem that can't be solved because otherwise the dark side users would always be stronger than the light side users.
@markmaharaj4489
@markmaharaj4489 8 лет назад
Excellent video , keep up the great work and you deserve way more subscribers .
@starwarsreadingclub
@starwarsreadingclub 8 лет назад
Thanks a lot Mark, I greatly appreciate that and I am happy to hear you enjoyed the video.
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