4 Sith Lords Who Rejected Darth Bane's Rule of Two 

Darth Vectivus the only Sith Lord to go into retirement lol

Vectivus kind of seems to be the only sith that wasn't a total tool to the darkside, manipulated and blinded into a narrow mentality. I bet his power in the force was outstanding and focus unbreakable by anger and blood lust.

So Darth Millennial rejects the teachings of Darth Baby Boomer.

I find Darth Vectivus to actually be a very interesting Sith because he did not fall into their typical failings, yet became powerful enough to ascend to mastery. He seemed to have embraced the notion that passions are not limited to fear, anger and hatred. Yet despite not desiring the destruction of the Jedi and control of the galaxy, Vectivus trained an apprentice and allowed the Sith to continue with their plans, possibly out of a feeling that all the really important things would only happen after his time. While Darth Bane would likely have considered Vectivus as much of an pretender as Krayt, I really would have liked to learn more about him.

Is it safe to say that Vectivus was the most moral sith?

Did anyone reject Anakin's rule of sand?

Gravid was right that the Force needed to be approached in a gray manner but to destroy all that knowledge was foolish.

I wonder what Vectivus' apprentice thought of his choices? Did the apprentice fear his master's power so much that he did not dare act against him, or did Vectivus not train his apprentice up to the Banenite system. It is also possible that the apprentice thought his master as useful, I'm sure the wealth and connections he gave the Sith Order were useful in continuing the plan. Once again, I would really have liked to seen a book dealing with each of the Sith Lord's that followed Bane and ended with Sidious.

Darth Vectivus didn't actually set back anyone... he may be didn't focus on conquering and killing the jedi and such... but he DID focus on the knowledge that would help the next generations of the Sith masters and apprentices in the rule of 2...

Vectivus still trained an apparently successful apprentice to mastery. Interesting to reject the foundation of the philosophy but to still continue it.

Darth Millennial? Did he have an ironic mustache and passively hate on the Jedi while drinking PBR?

Vectivus and Plaguise are two very interesting sith lords. Plaguise being my personal favorite.

I read the novel "Darth Plagueis", twas an awesome story. Darth Plagueis himself was beast. However, I find him the least interesting in regards to this list. That he sought to fulfill the Sith imperative and rule himself was the correct mentality. Darth Vectivus is the one the really struck me as an oddity and I would love to know more about him.

_"My knowledge is not for you! You are _*_not_*_ a Sith, _*_pretender_*_ - nor are your rabble! _*_This_*_ was my lesson: _*_two_*_ Sith should there be, no more - one _*_holding_*_ power, one _*_desiring_*_ it. You _*_defy_*_ my teaching!"_ _"Power is its _*_own_*_ purpose: to _*_share_*_ it is to _*_dilute_*_ it. You _*_delude_*_ yourself, _*_pretender_*_ - your Order will yet turn on itself, and you..."_ _"Weak-willed pretender - behold your destiny!"_ *~ Words of the holocron-image of Darth Bane to Darth Krayt*

Lol I just finished the Darth Bane book trilogy and you upload this on the same day. It is the will of the force!

So a millennial challenged tradition? What else is new?

An addition, Darth Sideous rejected the Rule of 2 after he succeeded in destroying the Republic and the Jedi. After that, he still held onto Darth Vader until he felt that Vader could no longer do his bidding anymore.

Damn Millennials...

I’m not sure I agree with labeling Vectivus as someone who rebelled against the rule of two. But rather knowing that the position and mantle of conqueror wasn’t his. Didn’t he leave his business model on his holocron? Allowing the future Sith after him to use it to fulfill the grand plan?

Darth Vectivus was the wisest of sith. He just contemplated and acquired knowledge of the dark side without actually hurting anyone. Yet, it is true that his position was against the rule of two and the dark side in itself, for the dark side is not an object to be contemplated, but a power to be embraced. Galactic dominance and self dification was the end goal of the sith, so in this regard, Sidious was not only the most powerful sith in history, but the truest that ever lived.

Darth Gravid was sort of right. The Sith would've conquered the galaxy thousands of years earlier if they toned down the evil a tiny bit.

So Darth Gravid was basically a Grey Sith. Someone like Darth Dectivus, could've been such a Sith that could've made at least peace with the Jedi and would've if he felt it suited him. Since he REFUSED a core tenet of any Sith as we traditionally know them one of the keys of which is hate for the Jedi on top of hate and anger in general. Dunno why Sideous only gets honorable mention, sorta, here. he violated parts of the rule of 2 too when it suited him. Especially that part anger bout more then one apprentice that could one day succeed him

I strongly disagree on Darth Plagueis part, just like Darth Bane, they both reject the old order of the Sith that rely on subjugation and military power. He understands that true strength lies within their connection to the force and not in the flesh which is how he managed to push the Sith order forward in completing the Sith imperative.

I would pay a lot of money for a novel(s) like Plaguies or the Darth Bane trilogy for Gravid, Gean, Millennial, Ruin, and Rivan. Just have James Luceno, Matthew Stover, Drew Karpyshyn, or Paul S. Kemp author it. All you would have to call it is Star Wars Lineage.

You forgot Darth Krayt, who embraced the Rule of ONE

Ironically, all 4 exposed the inherent strength of the Rof2 without realizing it. No matter how each Sith Lord approached the Darkside, there was always another to challenge and or expand on his predecessor's strengths/weaknesses. If Lord Kaan's rule of the strongest had persisted, the Sith would have annihilated themselves into oblivion with not a chance for a qualified successor. However, with two, there's almost never a chance of this unless they both wipe each other out a la Darth Sidious & Darth Vader. One must never underestimate the treacherous machinations of the Darkside of the Force....not for a second.

Gravid had a cool idea if sith could just learn to tolerate each other they would easily defeat the Jedi

Vectivus and Gravid didn't reject the Rule of Two, which states there should only be two true Sith lords at one time (Master and Apprentice). They may not have focused on the goals of the order, but IMO did not appear to violate that specific rule. Tenebrous, OTOH, did seem to reject the Rule of Two, having a back-up apprentice (Venamis), and plotting to live forever in some way like he manipulated Plagueis into also trying to find a way to do. The Plagueis novel does state several Sith had ignored the Rule of Two, but does not really mention them by name.

You are missing the final Sith Lord who rejected Darth Bane Rule of Two.Palpatine after created the empire. Did the same thing as Plagueis and was focused on becoming immortal and refused to teach vader the ways of the dark side. This is why when he was killing Luke at the end. Vader was able to redeem him self by slaying Palpatine. One of the rules in the Rule of two said Sith Lords could not seak out immortality and had to train an apprentices. Had Palpatine keep to the rule. Vader would not have struck him down on the second Death Star.

So surprise surprise Darth millennial broke sith tradition

That was the Sith Lord Darth Bane's Greatest mistake, Darth Bame thought reducing Sith Lords to only 2 Memebers, and having few Sith Inquistors would make them powerful, but He WAS WRONG, that didn't make the Sith Order Stronger, it only made them weaker, well it came to Star Wars Force Awakens to Star Wars Last Jedi they did technically bended the rule, there were 3 Sith Lords total, Darth Sidious Palpatine, his Hideous Clone Snoke, and Kylo Ren. They think as well reducing the Sith would also prevent Anyone from Usurping, but they're Wrong, Sidious usurped Plagueis got him Killed, Maul tried to usurp Sidious with his Sith Lord Brother Savage, Vader tried to usurp Sidious, Kylo Ren try to usurp Snoke and Sidious, well what they mostly had were more Sith Inquistors as seen in Star Wars Obi wan, Star Wars canon Comics, and Star Wars Rebels. Darth Bane was just a Coward 😱, too Fearful of any one of the acolytes to get much power to usurp him, get a hardly ethical Mutant army, and get Darth Bane Killed which he did get Killed. 💀. Darth Revan and every Sith in Star Wars KOTOR and in Star Wars The Old Republic would NEVER DO that Stupid Rule. It's just as Stupid as No Emotions except Joy, Calmness, and Serenity , no knowledge except Holocron Knowledge, and the Jedi also aren't supposed to Romantically Dating Couples. And that's another thing

As for Star Wars, I Sir Gabriel Collado Ivan and this RU-vidr The Film Theorist both have same idea that the Regular Jedi are Evil to a lesser degree on this video Called Film Theory The Uncomfortable truth about the Jedi Order (Star Wars Jedi Evil,) On 10:34 he and I was kinda like no They are So Wrong, We are both thinking the same idea, the Jedi are Brainwashed, Dishonest, Dishonorable Warriors, but the Sith are NOT Good, the regular Jedi Order we're dishonorable, the Sith too, and I have Great Ideal Explanation for this, 1 The Jedi are Brainwashed to have no emotions except Serenity, calmness, and happiness, they think they make them strong but they're wrong, sometimes Anger is needed, it had helped Obi Wan get Darth Maul beaten by using Anger after he stabbed his Master Qui Gon Jinn, along with help Anakin get Darth Tyranus killed, and it helps The HULK. Reason 2: Yoda in Star Wars 3 ROTS said not to care about those who have died never to mourn nor miss them but they mourned Qui Gon by giving him a funeral that's totally Terrible. Reason 3: They take children at toddler age separate them from their parents either never ever let them see each other again or they do let them see each other again but in a long time, not even to text or send a message, that's even more cold blooded worse than Dr Halsey taking kids at pre teen age to their facilities training them to be Spartans then give them their Serums at 14 worse of all their parents don't even know their children have been taken, they clone their child lie to the parents letting them think they got their original children but they didn't, their original children are still in thir custody. Reason 4: Jedi don't use Mandalorian Trinkets, nor Use Sith Trinkets no matter how much great knowledge they have, but they use Jedi Trinket Holocrons for info, they think that's all the knowledge they need to learn between Jedi Holocrons, Books, Computers, but they're wrong sometimes need other sources of Intel, and that's what Number 5 turns out to be truly helpfully Hopeful. Reason Number 5: Jedi think Lightside of the Force own abilities are more powerful than the Darkside, that should never use anything related to the Darkside except Skills something Mace Windu did when fighting on Geonosis, the Clone Wars, and against Palpatine as Darth Sidious it comes with being a Purple Lightsaber wielder using both Lightside and Darkside Fighting physical Melee Lightsaber Skills, but everything else in the Darkside other than Skills are Forbidden, such as Knowledge Power Ehancement Abilities, but I say it doesn't matter what side of the Force those knowledge and Abilities are from, it only matters how the person uses them, depending on who they are, for what reason they use it for, the Regular Jedi Order didn't see like that, they believed only using happiness, calmness, Serenity, Only use Jedi Holocrons, and only use Lightsiders Force Abilities are more powerful than Darksiders Force Abilities but they're Wrong, both sides of the Force are Powerful, Repulse, Mind Trick, Lightning are needed, Plo Coon used Lightning called Electrical judgement, Luke Skywalker used Green Emerald Lightning, pyrokinesis, healing power, control of water, and Metamorphosis are needed, (Metamorphosis power to shape-shift into anyone, anyspecies, and any animals even Monstrous types.) So really both Factions of the Force are Powerful at the same level, even Sith Lord Count Dooku that became Darth Tyranus didn't fully embrace the Darkside that's why he was never deformed nor did have Sith Eyes, he still used some Abilities of the Lightside of the Force, same goes out for Kylo Ren, and the True Force Weilders Warriors that are honorably Wisely Powerful are the Grey Order Jedi, Samurais, a Martial Artists Warrior Clans Ninjas take toddlers to be trained in their Martial Arts Fightings, but they also can accept pre teens, Adults, middle age adults, and Teenagers. Grey Order Jedi are the ones that use White lightsabers starting with Ahsoka Tano, Gold Lightsabers wielders such as Rey, Green Lightsabers true Excellent Jedi Grey Consulars like Luke Skywalker, Purple Lightsabers wielders, and Darksabers (which Moff Gideon in Mandalorian don't deserve, only the Mandalorians, Nightsisters like Merrin, and Grey Excellent Jedi Deserve the Darksaber, should probably make More Black Lightsabers.) But anyway the True Non Brainwashed Great Emotional Enhanced Powerful gifted Force User SuperHeroes are the Grey Order Jedi. TRANSFORMERS THE LAST KNIGHT VIDEO GAME Coming either late 2020's or early 2030's

And the Sith Lord Ruler don't need a succerssor as long they get the power of Immortality like Darth Plagueis did, and the Champion male they considered to be a Son, a Cousin, or Brother from another Mother, they can use Pure power of Sith Alchemy Fountain similar to Harry Potter Mystic Fountain of Historical memory, anyway they used this fountain in Star Wars the Clone Wars, Darth Sidious and Darth Tyranus seen Visions in that fountain to view future Visions, the Grandmaster Main Sith Lord Ruler that Controls the Entire Universe and with Brother or Sister from another Mother can see which one of the Acolytes will betray them and which ones that won't betray them, but want to rule Certain Areas, The Main Sith Lord Ruler with the other Sith can rule the Galaxy together in Governing Different Factions, or divide their rules in each Different Galaxies, The Main Sith Lord Ruler can rule with his brother from another Mother, or her Sister from Another Mother, either that or Grandmaster Lady Sith Lord Ruler can have her Boy Elite Acolyte Apprentices Champions fight each other to the Death only one of them gets to be her Husband rule beside her, or For Male, That Grandmaster Sir Sith Lord Ruler can rule with his Girl Apprentice, have the Girl Apprentices Champions Challenge each other to the Death, and become his Lover, go dating, and Rule the Galaxy with a Family, and even if that Fountain of Future Visions doesn't exactly Tell what will happen they can also use an Inhibitor Chip, or do a Mind control to give them the Offer how they Control the Universe, either Permeantly Enslaved them, or kill them

You got the chronological order wrong! 1st Darth Millenial, 2nd Darth Vectivus, 3rd Darth Gravid & finally Darth Plaguesis. Not that it matters for you left out 3 Sith Lords of Bane's Legacy = Darth Desire, Darth Toutorix & Darth Tenebrous! Darth Desire broke the rule of two by declaring her son, Darth Edge her second Apprentice when she was already teaching Darth Nail! This decision to take on 2 Apprentices simultaneously was what led to the War of Thorn that nearly destroyed the Sith Order as a whole! Darth Toudorix broke the rule when he killed his master, Darth Gale in the traditional duel of the Sith but cheated. How? He had help from not just 1 secret Apprentice but 6 & they jumped piled Darth Gale all at once. Darth Toudorix then founded the Assembly of Horror (In North America) or La Confraternité de Terreur (In Europe) which was basically a dark side cult that conducted terrorism across the Galaxy. He also made the Sith Order's ranks fill up exclusively with Humans let alone at all! Darth Tenebrous broke it by simply training another Apprentice named Darth Venomous to fight his 1st Apprentice, Darth Plaguesis! Had Darth Venomous succeeded, he would have founded the 5th House of Bane.

It's nice to know that not all Sith Lords strictly adhered to Bane's Rule of Two. I was convinced that they all had. Now, I know better.

Make a video explaining what happened to Darth Milleniel's Tribe please.

8:32 - "For rebelliiiiiiing -- no. ... No. ... There we go!" OMG, I nearly fell out of my chair. Excellent outro, Star Wars Reading Club!

Sidious also rejected it. He took Maul as an apprentice, while he himself was also still an apprentice

Didn't Darth Tenebrous have two apprentices at the same time? Darth Plagueis and Darth Venamis

Let's be honest, without the jedi, we would get a shitty reboot by jj binks.

is there enough material to make a Darth Sidious Canon v Legends comparison?

I thought basically ALL Sith Lords didn't want to die, and attempted to reject death/kill their apprentices!

Darth Millenial, Gravid i Vectiwus to moi ulubieni sithowie

Darth Vectivus comes before Darth Gravid in the lineage therefore he went against the rule of two before Gravid.

What if Anakin use his platform to HİGHGROUND or jump more higher

Darth Sidious: I destroyed the Jedi Order and the Galactic Republic! With the help of the Jedi's most promised Chosen One!!! Darth Vectivus: So? I defeated the Jedi single handedly! Darth Sidious: Really? HOW! Darth Vectivus: I bought them! Their Temple was now my property! I told them to get the fuck out! Or I would shut off their cable! Their electricity! Their plumbing! And their heating and air conditioning! Of course the beautiful female Jedi could stay in my temple if they wanted to.... Darth Sidious: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

Darth Bane rejected Darth Bane's Rule of Two

I put forth sidious also failed to follow the rule in that he failed to take apprentices that could defeat him (Maul, Dooku and post suit Vader).

BOOM!!!!!!! STARWARS Episode X THE NEW SITH One thousand years after the Destruction of the Empire. In the charred wastes of the first order, the new republic has scattered all the remaining imperials to the outer rim. Desperate to remain themselves strong, the imperials and renegade senate debate each other as too who will take over and bring the imperials back to power and regain control. Meanwhile, the new Jedi order established by the long ago Jedi Rey has driven out all possible Sith remnants from the Galaxy after the death too Kylo Ren. With newer generations of Jedi in faulty bliss thinking to themselves that the dark side has been vanquished. Little did they know that a New Sith order was beginning to take shape with the mysterious yet to be seen Darth Rapturis coming out from the Shadows vowing to Avenge the Sith and Rebuild the Dark Order to it's former Glory. Seeing the Failures of the rule of two started by Darth Bane 2 millenia ago and the Rule of One started by Darth Kryatt Centuries earlier, it is that Darth Rapturis vows to forever abolish those rules as Falsehoods and Hinderence to the Sith Order. In his vows Darth Rapturis proclaims a Flawless new everlasting rule; the Rule of a Thousand Sith. In his vows he will establish a new Rule of the Darkside and Rebuild the Sith Order. With this the Restored Republic and New Jedi Order will now struggle like never before to maintain freedom and peace in the Galaxy from the Darkness and Tyranny of the Sith.......

Does the story of the rule of two teach us that the sith is meant to fail by concept? I mean, the powers of the dark side become stronger as one's emotion takes over. However, more emotion means less reason and lead to less controlable sithlords, that means, the more powerful a sith gets, the more flawled he/she becomes and less complex strategies can be followed.

While they didn't out right reject the rule of two they disobeyed the rule. This was Darth Tenebrous who took on a secret apprentice in Darth Venomous, while he had Darth Plageus as his apprentice. When Tenebrous died/become a lump of Maxichlorians, Plagues found out about Venomous and they dueled and Plagues won and killed him. Vader himself took Galen Marek as his secret apprentice this violating the rules, same with Maul but at the time he wasn't a sith Lord at the time, that time expired

I wonder about the Old Republic Era of Sith, from the games. They were many. Had they known about the rule of two and rejected it in favor of numbers, like Millenial? I just listened to the first Bane book, Khan was sort of a control-freak and a pansy with a weak-ass “equality” narrative to his followers 😒 but Darth Revan and Malak were strong enough to command armies of Dark Jedi, while having their own apprentices. Why wouldn’t their model work? Edit: Darth P doesn’t have a nose 🤧

Darth millennial, Darth vectivus, Darth Gravid, Darth tennebrous, Darth Plagueis, Darth sidious, Darth venemous, Darth Vader all rejected the rule of 2

Why do you sound so much like the redgaurd from the dark brotherhood in skyrim🤣🤣but I love your vids

It's funny that the sole concept that allowed the sith to survive milenia was a somewhat noble concept, honour - the later sith, namely the milenia before bane, were destroyed by being ruled by greed rather than power.

What about Palpatine? He killed Plagueis in sleep, instead of defeating him in fair combat.

Darth Bane was against his own rule of two. It's Ironic he bashed his own teachings.

There were other Sith Lords who didn’t strictly follow the rule of 2. They had other apprentices that they keep secret from one another seemly keeping up pretences that it was strictly a rule of 2. I do believe Plagiueis’ own master was such. For after Plagueis dispatched his master, the other apprentice later revealed himself and tried to kill plagueis and become the new Sith master. But Plagueis bested him.

Where’s Darth Krayt?

The Rule of Two is not perfect as Bane believed it to be. The Sith Rule of Two was designed to eliminate the Jedi. Once the Jedi were mostly destroyed and with no enemies to fight, Vader and Sidious turned on each other and their Order imploded. Unlike the Jedi who thrived on peace and order, the Sith flourished on conflict and chaos. Simply put, the Jedi are peacekeepers that are not fit to fight wars, while the Sith are warmongers who cannot maintain peace. Bane didn't consider what will happen after the Jedi destruction. Remember, he made this rule from Revan's incomplete teachings as the Halocron was damaged, hence his information is somewhat flawed. This flaw turned out to be fatal as there was no Sith left after the death of Vader and Sidious. What Revan truly meant was that a Sith should constantly seek out power and invite challenge to keep themselves sharp. He advised to keep the apprentices to one only to lower the treachery within their ranks. He never said that there should be only two Sith at any time. Bane only had half the pieces of the puzzle but only saw what he wanted to see. His perfect Rule of Two was doomed to failure from the beginning and he didn't even know it. Then again arrogance was always the downfall of Sith.

0:45 number 10 thrawn

Darth Vectivus Is A Worthy Master For You If You Want To Become A Sith

Darth Bane- Assaults the Jedi with a few hundred siths

I hope this doesn't sound like too stupid a question but what exactly drove Darth Gravid to madness? What was it about his acceptance and attempted incorporation of the Light Side into the Sith doctrine that led to his fall?

plagues rejected the cicle of the rule of 2 because he was looking to become imortal and rule with sidius as equals. for ever.... not persee because he fufilled the grant plan.

That outro 😂😂

Darth Millenial was a Millenial xD

The Sith could have been so much more powerful if sidious didn’t get plagueis drunk and kill him smh

NO,NO,NO, There we go! HAHAHA I Love it

How do we feel about Disney saying, all these novels we read are no longer consider cannon?

Darth Millenial loved avocado toast while wearing glasses without prescription

im so disappointed in the banite sith not onlying for its perversions of the true sith teaching but also for allowing the true home world of our order dromnd koss

Oh, God. Darth Millennial, the first Sith to master the dark art of avocado toast.

the rule of two was a ruse to keep the jedi complacent and the sith from infighting

The rule of two is a self rule that lets one always in control and to have no competition. In short it was greed.

Why not have multiple apprentices instead of just one?

Baby boomers still hold that Darth Millennial is canon

Bane tried to reject his own rule. Hypocrite.

Kind of a stretch there with Darth Plagueis he really didn't rebell against the rule to Sidious rebelled against the rule of two when he trained Darth Maul Plagueis was going to rule with Sidious by his side that was his whole plan

Where can I find reading material for darth zana and darth cogness

Excellent video!! I enjoy learning about lore of the Sith since it's soo MYSTERIOUS. 🔎🔮🌌?

Who is your favourite sith??

Darth millennial master was Darth boomer 🤣🤣

ive been thinking that Snoke was Plagueis but now im starting to think that there could possibly be someone even more powerful that we have yet to know about. just like how the emperor was introduced in the empire strikes back maybe one of the rule of 2 sith is controlling Snoke? idk just a theory... AH STAR WARS THEORY!!!!!!! lol but fr tho

Awesome video as always!!! This is really interesting! It was especially interesting to find out about Darth Vectivus, because i didn't know if his story actually happened or if Lumiya had just made the story up in an attempt to trick Jacen Solo into joining the dark side. I guess that makes Vectivus the Sith equivalent of a grey Jedi in a way. Could you do a video comparing the rule of two to the rule of one? Can't wait to see what you do next! Thanks man!!! :D

Bane and the Rule of Two was idiocy.

I really like these videos. The only thing that could make them better was if the narrator was a little bit less monotonous and seemed more into the subject. I understand this is something you are super enthusiastic about, but it would make the videos much more entertaining. Not complaining, just suggesting. Keep up the entertaining and informative videos!

If the 'Rule of Two' philosophy was for one master and one apprentice at any given time, how come Darth Vader trained Starkiller whilst serving his own master, Darth Sidious? I don't know if Darth Vader had any disagreements with the philosophy but I would assume this would have caused a few issued with the 'Rule of Two' philosophy, especially as Darth Sidious was the Master, Vader was the Apprentice and Vader was training Starkiller. I am referencing The Force Awakens games so I apologize if I have anything wrong or if I got anything mixed up.

Respect for Dark Vectivus. The only successfull sith...

What do you expect he's a millennial hahahahaha

1st person to say 1st😀😀😀

swrc (star wars reading club) i hope you don't mind me asking this but where r u from ☺

Can someone please point me towards any literature on the 1st three in this video? Thanks in advance :)

Darth minllenial should have a triangle around his forehead eye and a longer beard that would look really cool

What happened to your Old Republic series of videos?

What do Jedi, Jedi Knight do with sith lightsabers what happen to those Sith light sabers?

The rule of two is dumb

what about darth krayt he created the rule of one

Darth vectivus isn't a sith

Honestly the videos are cool. Just dont like the "in this video expose"