Why Did Carmine Not Recognise Paulie? | The Sopranos Explained

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In The Sopranos, in the episode Eloise, season 4 episode 12, Paulie spots Carmine at a wedding and approaches him to pay his respects. But it’s clear just a few second sin that Carmine has no idea who Paulie is, the poor old guy looks very confused, and to pinpoint Paulie’s identity he asks if his father was run over by a trolley.
It’s a great moment in the show that serves to highlight how Johnny has been lying to Paulie about Carmine asking for him. Clearly, he doesn’t even know him, and after this Paulie gets embarrassed and literally takes a good long look at himself in the mirror, and goes back to kissing Tony’s ass, even murdering an old lady to steal her money, which he gives to Tony to rejuvenate the boss’s confidence in him. Before he meets Carmine, Paulie struts like he’s the Teflon Don, a cunning beast 10 steps ahead of everyone, but it goes back to Junior’s saying “Some people are so far behind in the race that they actually believe they're leading”
It’s a fantastic little subplot, but a question does arise - how could Carmine not know who Paulie was? As highlighted in the show, Paulie goes way back into the family, to Johnny Boy’s days, Tony’s father. He’s one of the most senior members of the family, and Carmine even knows guys like Ralph in the Sopranos crew, so how could he not know who Paulie was? Wouldn’t they have seen each other at weddings, funerals, meetings between the families? The two families have done business for years. Is this a plot hole? Is he just old and confused?
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@CineRanter 3 года назад

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@mangacomicvisionarygenius9612 3 года назад

Carmine did know who Ralph was and that was just Johnny Sack playing the Vice Versa Game he played on Paulie on Ralph because as we seen Carmine would've loved to steal Ralph/Espionage away from Tony and even replace Johnny with him on the Espionage Scam. I mean Carmine was willing to have Johnny Sacks his Concierge killed to save Ralph. Look Johnny made Ralph a Great Earner seem unimportant in his family and Paulie a Average Earner at best seem important manipulating them both for his on gain.

@LoneWolf_Cub_Ogami_Itto 3 года назад

@@mangacomicvisionarygenius9612 remember though. Ralphie was a Capo and only reason why he was important was the construction business + the Labor Unions. Paulie was a President I think In One of the unions + a seat at Barone Sanitation. That's it. All other businesses was on the street for Paulie.

@chriskelly4477 2 года назад

I always wondered why a don was at a wedding for his house keepers daughter.

@MelanCholy2001 Год назад

Of course Carmine knew who Paulie was. Protocols, and Carmine probably figured out that instant, whilst speaking, that Johnnie Sac heard about the Ginny joke through Paulie (and maybe even knew Paulie was sitting in the can on gun charges, and thought Sac was an idiot for feeling NJ out with Paulie). Both Sac and Tony's crew took a hit for Paulie's faux pas there.

@davidbarton1806 Год назад

Those guys in jersey where just a glorified crew

@markmac5943 3 года назад

If you pay close attention to the whole series, Paulie is never considered important enough by both the NY family and the feds.

@irishpride9867 3 года назад

I dont know about that. Paulie was at least a captain through the series he was also at one stage the Underboss of the Soprano crime family.

@markmac5943 3 года назад

@@irishpride9867 If you go back and watch it all the way through there's a few times where comments are made about Paulie not really being a factor. Especially (spoiler alert) near the end when NY is discussing who to hit along with Tony and when Paulies name comes up they're all like nah. 🤣

@irishpride9867 3 года назад

@@markmac5943 yeah I know what your saying. NY only wanted to kill the Boss, Underboss and Conselieri at the end and Paulie was not any of these. He was however a former Underboss and at present most high ranking captain of the Soprano crime family. Carmine knew Paulie (he had to he was an under boss) but blanked him cause it was not the time or the place to be greated as a boss. Especially from someone who didnt at preasent hold a top top thier job. Carmine was old school. It's some greasball shit. I actually think at the end after Tony's death and Silvios coma that Paulie would actually be the de-facto boss of the Soprano family. Who else would it be??? Had to be important enough. He now runs a crime family.

@hironinja6628 3 года назад

@@irishpride9867 The new boss was patsy, the show hints this in the last episodes.

@philbrown1474 3 года назад

So it’s come to this. Instead of watching great series’ like the sopranos we watch clips that analyze the show. Mama Mia!

@butchvito 3 года назад

"When Ginny Sack goes camping the bears have to hide 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘪𝘳 food." Imagine if Johnny Sack found out about that joke?

@salvietesta6806 3 года назад

or the time he walked into the Bing in the middle of everybody laughing at GiGi’s joke about two guys fucking her on separate ends of the state and still not meeting

@PolPotsPieHole 3 года назад

Is it a joke if its true?

@normie2716 3 года назад

@@PolPotsPieHole Well, I don't think the bears actually hide their food when Ginny goes camping, so...

@unavailableusername9694 3 года назад

Jerseys a small state, she moves in, she could tip it over.

@sterlingcooper3978 3 года назад

Great line!

@tonywalton1052 2 года назад

"Some people are so behind in the race that they actually think they are leading" Wisdom in those words, for all of us

@IllusionSector 2 года назад

Following this awkward incident, is there a scene later in the series that sees John and Paulie meet again? If so, SE and EP or link, please.

@FatGouf 2 года назад

@@IllusionSector he can't do anything about Johnny, the guy was an underboss and if he complained to somebody, it'd confirm that he's been talking to John..

@Damidas Год назад

Yeah yeah that's cute

@williamrogers7974 3 года назад

To be fair, that gardener came after Paulie with a chainsaw..he's got a right to defend himself, T

@billg708 3 года назад

😂😂😂

@iluomobravo 3 года назад

Lmao

@greghughes6098 3 года назад

Oh yeah, those two guys

@quasimodo8959 2 года назад

Jumped out of the tree, straight at him!

@Rabsmyth91 2 года назад

Those damn African Americans.

@sriig 3 года назад

Carmine Sr. was at a wedding for his housekeepers' daughter. Not by any means a mobbed up wedding, and definitely not a place to discuss this thing of ours. No way he was breaking discipline Paulie strolled up on him and tried to talk shop, with no regard for his surroundings or reading of the room whatsoever.

@ba8898 3 года назад

You're a man, Phil. That's saying a lot these days.

@wolf7el356 3 года назад

Unlike your kid brudda Billy, whatever happened there...

@the_local_bigamist 3 года назад

Its because Paulie was an idiot. Johnny Sack played him like a fiddle and instead of coming up with some scheme to earn and get back into Tony's good graces, he smothers an old lady to death to steal her cash. Even Christopher was a smarter mobster than Paulie. Its amazing that he survived as long as he did but he always seemed to steer clear from harm - maybe he was never considered important enough to take out (we learn that NY think that at the end when they plan to take out the top three) and he probably couldn't give the feds much either, at least not much more than he gave Johnny Sack anyway.

@westonstevens3239 3 года назад

@@the_local_bigamist Paulie survived by a combination of street smarts, his low status, and sheer luck. In the show alone, he narrowly averts death like 50 times. I shudder to think how many times before the show takes place. I think partly because no one took him seriously. And while he was stupid and easy to manipulate, this partly is why he survived and because they could easily get him to do the dirty work. Just like Ralphie he had a big mouth that didn't know when to shut up and this nearly got him whacked countless times and that's why I say he was really damn lucky.

@odiabraham507 3 года назад

@@wolf7el356 WHATEVER HAPPENED THERE?! I’ll tell you what happened, this piece of shit’s cousin put 6 bullets without any provocation what so ever

@jasonbodine6033 3 года назад

Carmine straight dissed Paulie by feigning ignorance of him. He absolutely “put him in his place” as you put it. Paulie had no right to go up to the boss of another family without a buffer to “introduce” him. Carmine knew exactly what he was doing.

@FatGouf 2 года назад

But Johnny said Carmine thinks of the world of Paulie Ratface. 🤣

@joshlt6352 2 года назад

Made guys don’t introduce themselves

@Johnny2Feathers 2 года назад

Carmine was a 🤡

@mitchelll3879 Год назад

He knew who Paulie was

@juangonzalez3034 Год назад

Especially in public.

@timothyo718 3 года назад

Paulie is a survivor! Outlived everyone from Johnny Boy’s crew and even the Tony Soprano era.

@NothingEverHappensLol 3 года назад

Like a roach

@graffProdigy 3 года назад

And watched everybody pass him in rank... pathetic

@mikem6176 3 года назад

Because, in Hyman Roth’s words, “he’s small potatoes.” Thinks he’s every capo & boss’s best friend, but in the end, Sil tells him, “Paulie, you know you’re only as good as your last envelope.”

@RGC-gn2nm 3 года назад

Security by obscurity Paulie survived because he was not considered a threat.

@seansmith7462 3 года назад

In surprised this crazy comment is still surviving

@varicosevaynes 3 года назад

It was instantly obvious that Johnny was playing him the moment he said “He thinks the world of you also.”

@Bulldog_skin 3 года назад

Exactly, it also to me implies there is so tenuous history there. Maybe... In my imagination Paulie was around Carmine socially from time to time in the distant past.. Maybe had a few casual conversations at a wedding or something. Something that made Paulie believe Carmine would remember him and has some kind of opinion about him or Paulie thought his own reputation preceded him and of course Carmine would be thinking of Paulie or asking about Paulie, etc.

@michaelmarron8441 2 года назад

varicosevaynes : Not to Paulie it wasn't!

@joemckim1183 Год назад

@@Bulldog_skin And Carmine probably thought he was just some random guy at the wedding. But I would imagine it being more of a situation when Carmine met with a guy from Jersey he was always off talking to somene like Johnny Boy, Junior or Tony while their soldiers were off to the side and he didn't bother to get their names.

@johnny_thunder_3024 3 месяца назад

@@joemckim1183it's a small world, even still he probably would've known some more long standing ones, especially considering how long he was boss, for decades

@Ericdz302 3 года назад

Carmine thinks the world of him!

@LucasNauan 3 года назад

He asks about him

@Vinnymanvinny1 3 года назад

@@LucasNauan all the time!!!

@osamabad3597 2 года назад

@@LucasNauan he does ask about him. He asks who the hell he is. 😂

@adamchurvis1 3 года назад

The actor playing Carmine, Frank Anthony Vallelonga -- aka, "Tony Lip" -- is the actual man who chauffeured around piano virtuoso Dr. Donald Shirley back in the early sixties in the South. He was played by Viggo Mortensen in the movie "Green Book," which chronicled the story of their lives together.

@MasterFatness 3 года назад

That is pretty fucking interesting. I don't think a lot of people know this. I certainly didn't and I watched both the show and the movie.

@bighands69 3 года назад

That is insane did not know that at all.

@Randomdive 3 года назад

What a legend

@grantbroom405 2 года назад

Wow. Cool info

@tommyboyindy1157 2 года назад

He also had a cameo in Goodfellas

@jamescarnevale3312 3 года назад

"Johnny Sack" Sacrimoni was developing Paulie as an asset inside the Sopranos crew. Carmine, a boss of a NY family was unaware of Paulie Walnuts, no more than a soldier in a small, NJ crew.

@westonstevens3239 3 года назад

Paulie may have been a captain but he got there not because of merit but seniority. He was still considered just a soldier who didn't have a strategic thought in his head.

@sudstahgaming 3 года назад

Jonny sack lied about how often if ever he mention paulie to carmine

@westonstevens3239 3 года назад

@FUKYU SUKUZ Paulie was brilliant on the streets though. You recall the scene where Tony brought him along to confront 5 guys and Paulie hit it out of the park. A fine soldier, terrible officer.

@ehcastro3156 2 года назад

Well their crews (NY and NJ) had been interacting for at least 4 decades now, Carmine would've heard of him at least.

@wyatthill6252 2 года назад

A *glorified* crew, historically speaking.

@kingdingaling9510 3 года назад

"Hes an interior decorator" , "he killed 16 checkslovicans"

@tavog8150 3 года назад

His house looked like shit

@xavierjames9270 3 года назад

Classic

@Ondwurk 3 года назад

“You’re father was run over by a trolley, right?” Wasn’t some goofy old man line-that was an insult as well as a “leave me alone, stupid.” This is wit and a wiser, more sophisticated response compared to Johnny Sack screaming at Christopher about being out of place and seemingly unable to read a room.

@henrik3291 3 года назад

Johnny Sack wanted an excuse to storm out and stop negotiating, and he succeded.

@Etherglide 3 года назад

You could have simmed this question in just one sentence . He didn’t recognise Paulie because Paulie was being played by Jonny Sack. The end.

@bbbbob55 3 года назад

Agreed

@odeleon24 3 года назад

Nailed it.

@raemoesmero9136 3 года назад

For real dude. I didn’t even finish this video

@owie4070 3 года назад

That's what I thought as soon as I saw the title. But I like their content so I decided to check it out.

@dLimboStick 3 года назад

"Simmed"?

@SaudiHaramco 3 года назад

Probably knew Paulie the same way Tony knew Matt Bevilacqua and Sean Gismonte lmao

@dionruffin3996 3 года назад

U win the internet 🏆

@osamabad3597 2 года назад

He should’ve grabbed Paulie by the throat and asked him if he’s heard of wire taps just for walking up on him unannounced

@Ben-fx8lg Год назад

Boom!

@Oneofcorporalemmastwomoms 8 месяцев назад

Nah, more like how Tony knew Brenden

@BM-wh5qk 3 месяца назад

But they were both Made men. What about that brotherhood?

@Redeyezsmokeshow 3 года назад

Historically Carmine always said The Sopranos were not a family, they were nothing more than a Glorified Crew

@Cbjames715 3 года назад

In Cosa Nostra, even if you know someone is a made man, you need to be introduced by a third party. The third party needs to be another made man, who is vouching the legitimacy of both men being introduced. So whether or not "johnny told carmine about paulie", according to the rules of Cosa Nostra, Carmine should NOT recognize Pauly. And while that is the rule, I am not sure whether the show runners had that in mind.

@dannydemonic4799 3 года назад

They can say hi to each other right? As long as they don’t recognize their thing at all when they first meet. This 3rd party concept isn’t represented in movies and tv a lot. It seems important though. Sammy the bull talks about it a lot.

@Cbjames715 3 года назад

@@dannydemonic4799 Yes, he could have acknowledged him on a human level. Then there is the other technicality, that you never walk up to a Boss in public. It's a technical, intricate life, to say the least.

@lukezuzga6460 3 года назад

I'm glad someone brought this up so I didn't have to. You would think the narrator would know this.

@dannydemonic4799 3 года назад

@@lukezuzga6460 i think the narrator did mention the third party thing. It happened in sopranos but was never mentioned as a rule. All the intricate rules stuff is interesting. I’ve been very interested in finding more about the mafia today and they seem to be doing well just a lot more underground. That whole myth that the mafia is gone is absurd. I live in Boston and wonder about guys all the time. Just found out the genovese family have a crew in Springfield. I also like learning about all the families outside of north east. Pretty cool stuff!

@dannydemonic4799 3 года назад

@@Cbjames715 ya walking up a boss in public is terrible. Didn’t even think of that one. Paulie should be an encyclopedia on mafia protocol too.

@damarekonayaro5781 3 года назад

Wasn't Pauli mostly muscle? Where as Ralphie for all his faults was often referred to as "A big earner," Ralphie was heavily involved in construction so shared the Esplanade with NY. Paulie may have been around forever but was mostly only ever consulted about killings and rarely about big picture issues.

@FatGouf 2 года назад

That's why he'd never be boss, or atleast hold it long enough till Butch would roll over New Jersey. He was never a good earner, and he was nothing but an old muscle, and thr whole crew knew he's a whiny kissass that's why he'd never be respected, even as a boss. Ralphie was just a made guy even NY bosses recognized him as a top earner.

@12ozmouse99 2 года назад

@@FatGouf Do you think that’s why Butch turned on Phil? His next move was going to be dismantling the Sopranos? Butch struck me as smart guy, and one who was all about making $. He sure seemed eager to help Phil go to war with NJ at first, only to turn on him at the last moment.

@FatGouf 2 года назад

@@12ozmouse99 That's what he exactly did, took it as an opportunity when things got too heated up when Phil made taking down Jersey too persona. And with Carmine Jr stepping out, the whole NY was his for the taking. Its most likely he's the one who put the hit on Tony in the end scene, so either he dismantled Jersey or work with who's left, most likely with Patsy, since Paulie was only reputable within the family.

@jpmnky Год назад

I think the feds looked at him as so low rent he wasn’t on their radar. They knew exactly who he was all those years. And not once was he ever in trouble with them.

@jacoenglander9608 Год назад

He was a captain and he always kicked up to the boss, for years longer than most in mob

@TheValhalla1989 3 года назад

He probably thought so little of the New Jersey family he only recognized a couple people, tony, Silvio, and Ralph. Paulie being in the crew before all of them should of at least been familiar.

@joemckim1183 3 года назад

Paulie may have been with Johnny Boy in meetings with Carmine back in the day but he probably didn't bother to get Paulie's name or worry who he was. So they probably have met before, Carmine just doesn't remember it.

@frame-perfectadskip9159 3 года назад

Sac tells Ralph straight up that Carmine doesn't know who he is.

@angryanakin 3 года назад

@@frame-perfectadskip9159 my estimation of Ralph just fuckin plummeted

@StuUngar 3 года назад

@@frame-perfectadskip9159 Which makes no sense bc only a few episodes later, Carmine is ready to kill his underboss because Ralph is so valuable to the esplanade project.

@mase1one190 3 года назад

@@StuUngar Important to his pocket because Johnny said so, not necessarily a contradiction to he does not know who he is in a real way.

@Jay-n262 3 года назад

I really thought Tony was going to eliminate Paulie when they were deep sea fishing.

@logancampos2436 3 года назад

For a reason too. Paulie wanted to join with New York. & he would of. If carmine recognized him.

@pastxmas 3 года назад

So did Paulie for a minute. lol

@Jay-n262 3 года назад

Paulie got lucky, Christopher didn't plus he had a wife and kid. Paulie had no family.

@logancampos2436 3 года назад

@@pastxmas so did furio.

@gregorylibra5114 2 года назад

He came close

@wjatube 3 года назад

I started off thinking this video was going to analyze too much into their chance meeting but soon convinced that Carmine wanted nothing to do publicly with one of the 'farmers'. Great video- amazing two decades have passed since I first watched this show and I am still learning things about it.

@janoycresnova9156 Год назад

It has not been two decades yet. The show ended in 2007.

@KaoDeng 3 года назад

get that egg salad out his mouth

@tommybrill9107 3 года назад

Too many gherkins.

@robertfarr761 5 месяцев назад

Too many Gherkins in the Egg Salad.

@TheSuperhomosapien 3 года назад

It's because Carmine is Paulie's real dad and he doesn't want to let on.

@luisvilla799 3 года назад

Na it was the governor of Maryland

@matthewJ142 3 года назад

Whoa imagine

@OdintheGermanShepherd 3 года назад

It was Russ Figoli…..a cultured Italian, and not a gavone

@garyfrombrooklyn 3 года назад

You pretty much covered all bases with this one, it'd be hard to find any other reason for Carmine's behavior toward Paulie and underscores how much Johnny Sack played the New Jersey mob. Protocol is absolute, especially with an old timer like Carmine. There was a documentary a while ago about the ten commandments of the mafia, found in a bolt hole of a Sicilian mafioso. One of the commandments was that no made guy could introduce himself to another made guy without an intermediary who knew BOTH made guys. Like you said, even if Carmine recognized Paulie, if he was never formally introduced, they would need an intermediary. The rest is pure Carmine boss actions, he doesn't regard the button men of his own family why would he acknowledge the button man of a lesser family. Michael Franzese said within any family there may be 15-20 made guys that are significant earners while the rest do the grunt work that allows the earners to strong arm their way through rackets. Bosses know who the earners are in a family, any family and Johnny knew that if Carmine suspected he could get Ralph to cross over, he would. The rest is also Paulie's lack of accomplishments in presenting himself as a "man of honor" by raising a family and showing stability. I've really added nothing new, just reiterating the excellent points you made in the clip lol. Well done.

@mikimiyazaki 3 года назад

😂😂😂😂 "and he lived through the 70s by the skin of his nuts when the columbos were going at it!" I love the way he added that in the same monotoneish voice.

@JR-iu8yl 3 года назад

Dooley noted

@nathanielball365 3 года назад

NO he did say 70's!

@peterarmstrong6730 3 года назад

@@nathanielball365 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@mikimiyazaki 3 года назад

@@nathanielball365lol i cant stand when people delete there post when there proven wrong 😂😂 i didn't even see the post youre responding to but obviously someone said "he didnt say the 70s" 😂

@joaoalegria7578 3 года назад

I like how you integrate their expressions and quotes in your analysis to put it in context, very allegorical!

@paulyC 2 года назад

The sacred and the propane.

@MidLoafCrisis Год назад

You never had the makings of a varsity etc

@AgtX999 3 года назад

He told Johnny Sac about the joke to get back at Ralph who was using Paulies incarceration as an excuse to not pay Paulies share of a job knowing he was unable to do anything about it in jail.

@Ency07 3 года назад

There really is no honour among thieves ehh

@Fernandodbsb 2 года назад

Carmine has some balls to not know who the legendary, last man standing Peter Paul "Paulie Walnuts" Gualtieri is.

@PCarDriver87 Год назад

I think Carmine at least recognized Paulie because he got dangerously specific when saying Johnny Sack's last name. Why would Carmine even ask Paulie which Johnny he's referring to unless Carmine was confident that Paulie was a "friend?" In my opinion, Carmine certainly knew that Paulie was one of Tony's captains, and it didn't help that Paulie rudely interrupted Carmine during an event that had nothing to do with business. I think Carmine was being passive aggressive and pretended not to know who Paulie was.

@jfrsnjhnsn 3 года назад

"Also, who goes up to a mobster at a wedding and starts spilling his verbal diarrhea?" Meet Paulie Walnuts and his own worst enemy, Paulie Walnuts' mouth.

@NickBarbieriandfriends 3 года назад

Carmine does say "What's your name, AGAIN?" Meaning he knows he's met Paulie before, but just can't remember his name. But you make a valid point. Carmine was smart and maybe he was just playing stupid to protect himself.

@MonarchPoolPlaster 3 года назад

That's just an expression. It doesn't necessarily mean that they had met before.

@dondajulah4168 3 года назад

@@MonarchPoolPlaster Yes, it is a polite way of saying of course, I remember you but your name escapes me at the moment when you really have no clue who the person is.

@dionruffin3996 3 года назад

It means do I know u ?

@gregorylibra5114 2 года назад

He was very street smart

@Jaggedhalo66 2 года назад

I appreciate your thoughts…ok, I’ll talk to you.

@bguzewi0 Год назад

Probably because Carmine views the Soprano family as a glorified crew, and he has no respect for them whatsoever.

@WarTheory 3 года назад

He didn’t even know Paulie was alive.... Johnny was just stringing him along.... i wouldn’t put it by Johnny to think ahead ... since paulie was so close to Tony maybe a future setup? At the end it’s always your friends that come to take you out

@MikeB-rb7nk 3 года назад

Got to wonder how Paulie ever got made. Maybe he used to have fuller envelopes.

@GustavoCardoso95 3 года назад

I thought this was obvious just by watching the show 🥲 He didn’t recognize Paulie bcs he didn’t know him 🤣

@neontetra1000 2 года назад

Pauli did have the funniest lines in the series. That bit in the forest about the interior decorator still makes me laugh out loud after watching it about 5 times.

@sole__doubt Год назад

"I shouldve fucked Dale Evans but I didnt." Great episode!

@graffProdigy 3 года назад

Paulie is weak and a trader. He took sides with Johnny Sack against Tony... you’d think he’d atleast have a higher ranking. He’s basically just a soldier LOL.

@celticscribe7887 3 года назад

He's been Capo since season 1

@gabrielM1111 3 года назад

Charles swab over here

@usdjpy8929 3 года назад

Carmine was a gangsters gangster He put it down so hard on John Sac with that Ralph thing . " yeah $ what else is there" great character stood out in every scene. If he knew peter paul or not doesn't matter, He is beneath him of no concern.

@Cbjames715 3 года назад

His ruling on the Ralph thing was something Paul Castellano would say, not "a gangster's gangster" move... Disrespecting someone's wife in Cosa Nostra will get you killed. Cosa Nostra is about money, but there are rules in regards to honor.

@usdjpy8929 3 года назад

@@Cbjames715 your knowledge of big Paul is way off HE was always $ 1st learn your mob history b4 you make uneducated comments .

@d100763 3 года назад

the way he checked Tony with the Don doesn’t wear shorts line 🐐

@Cbjames715 3 года назад

@@usdjpy8929 Paul Castellano was always money first, yes. Paul was a Racketeer, not a gangster. Neil Dellacroce was a gangster. They are two different things.

@usdjpy8929 3 года назад

@@Cbjames715 sounds like over the last 2 weeks you read a book I had in 1990 . Learn some more its way better than your 1st comment 2weeks ago.

@timmosley9068 Год назад

Carmine didn't recognize him because Johnny Sack was BS'ing Pauly. He never really brought Pauly up to Carmine the way he was telling Pauly that he was

@BubbaMcCheese 3 года назад

There were 200 soldiers in Carmine's family...he probably didn't know every guy in his family.

@brentabelson6216 3 года назад

I always thought that Carmine was just going senile at this point. Though, there isn't really much evidence of that after this scene.

@bumfricker2487 3 года назад

nah, Johnny Sac was just lying to manipulate Paulie

@ellisjames7192 2 года назад

NO, he was not going senile. He simply did not know who Paulie was.

@vincekelly5233 2 года назад

He was flat out insulted that Paulie walked up to him in front of his family at a wedding and started talking business with out being introduced. So he insulted him back. "Who the fuck are you?" Pretty much it, if you ask me...

@orlandomolina7192 3 года назад

“Ol fish lips” 🤣 😂

@32kwame Год назад

yeah i think Carmine deliberately snubbed him to put him in his place. its unlikely that carmine had not seen or heard of Paulie before. The familiar way Paulie approached Carmine was totally inappropriate

@drdree8396 3 года назад

Irl connected guys aren’t supposed to recognize one another in public

@thomaswolosik6590 2 года назад

I absolutely agree that Carmine recognized Paulie (it's implied the two families have worked together for decades) but pretended like he didn't to throw in Paulie's face the utter disrespect he had for speaking to a boss out of turn like he did.

@lucasbrown4186 3 года назад

please make a video exploring exactly how long Phil Leotardo was hiding in that closet

@CineRanter 3 года назад

20 fuckin' years, I heard

@Da_Benski 3 года назад

Season 6 doesn't count. Real Sopranos fans donate those DVD's to the dumpster.

@lucasbrown4186 3 года назад

@Ben N ok

@tonyawwwno3364 3 года назад

@@Da_Benski anyone who says someone who likes a part of a show that isn't normally liked isn't a "real fan" is sad. Who cares if someone else likes a part you don't, it literally has no affect on you unless you let it. Get over yourself and realize you aren't the only real person with opinions

@Da_Benski 3 года назад

@@tonyawwwno3364 Did you really just get Triggered by a joke made weeks ago? You should really stay off the internet and give the virtue signaling a rest.

@babobereta 11 месяцев назад

Paulie also reflects his mother’s behavior (which we later learn isn’t his biological mother, but actually aunt who still raised him) which plays into the theme of the show, same way Tony becomes like his mother as time goes on. When Paulie’s mom has a problem of not having friends in her retirement home where she lives, Paulie goes there to talk with some woman working there and she tells him that his mom is a tattletale and rats on others for every small infraction and that is why other girls don’t like her. Paulie is also a tattletale, he annoys everybody because he talks too much, but also was having secret meetings with John Sack and gave him information about Tony and his crew, most famously that mole joke which turned into a massive problem. Obviously Paulie was doing this thinking about his interest and how it would be a good thing for him to have good realtionship with NY, but of course we know he was played like a puppet by John who stroked Paulies ego and just let him do what he loves most; talking. Tony was right to be worried about him, Paulie’s big mouth already caused him problems in the past and I think it’s very plausible that Paulie could betray Tony in the end to NY, especially knowing Tony was seriously contemplating killing him

@iamamishiamamish8155 8 месяцев назад

Oh man that's a great observation about his Mom/Aunt doing the same thing.

@OthelloPanda 3 года назад

Carmine seemed sincere in not recognising Paulie and offered up the name Johnny Sack which I guess he wouldn't do if he thought the feds were listening in. I also feel like, if he was putting it on, they would have given us a shot or expression that conveyed this a bit so I think the intent was to hammer home just how insignificant Paulie actually is outside of his own head. That said, I don't think this is long before Carmine has his stroke so it could be a reflection of his age or declining health. I think Paulie interprets it as the former though, hence his determination to overcompensate and realign himself with Tony who, he now realises, is his only real source of status in the world.

@noonefromnowhere99 3 года назад

I think that Carmine genuinely didn't know who Paulie was. Mob protocol is that when members meet other members there is another member than knows both and introduces one to the other - so it's very likely that Paulie had assumed that Carmine had been hearing about him from Johnny Sac and broke protocol because Johnny Sac had been giving Paulie the impression that Carmine liked Paulie, which is why he felt comfortable breaking protocol.

@angelawalker7582 8 месяцев назад

Sil is with Tony when they have these meeting with NY not Paulie. I believe Carmine truly didn't know Paulie.

@Britton_Thompson 3 года назад

Because he's no one important enough for a Five Families boss to know. Johnny Sac was using him.

@Chane9171957 6 месяцев назад

No way Carmine didn't know Paulie or at least heard of him. Carmine wasn't always old or even the boss back in the day. Except that Paulie works out and watches what he eats, he and Carmine are in the same age bracket. So he is has early onset, or was just being cautiously indignant in not recognizing Paulie out of turn, putting him in his place.

@Whiteboykun 2 года назад

He didn't recognize Paulie because Johnny lied to Paulie about Carmine knowing him. Seriously? A 10 minute video for this?

@Whiteboykun Месяц назад

I would like to withdraw this comment by saying it's a stupid comment.

@avega2792 3 года назад

Carmine never said nothing even when he said something. Seems to me Carmine could have and should known Paulie, but didn’t want to be seen with a criminal, a criminal from New Jersey at that!

@dondajulah4168 3 года назад

Can you imagine, you say hello to a soldier from a pygmy Jersey crew and the next day you're in jail?

@dartfrogger 3 года назад

Ill save you some time... Johnny Sack was just using Paulie for info. he never told Carmine a thing a out Paulie... he used Paulie... that's it... and the scene where Carmine doesn't know who Paulie is shows us that. Paulie realizes he was being used and that's about it.

@tfive24 3 года назад

I thought silvio was in critical condition when he got shot. All these years I have been wrong.

@bucky7162 3 года назад

You were right. he never died

@twoshady518 3 года назад

he recovered quickly and went back on tour with the real Boss... Bruce Springsteen

@alexander1902 3 года назад

He would’ve just had a RICO indictment waiting for him when/if he recovered thanks to Carlo.

@bobwoods1302 2 года назад

If you want to save ten minutes, Johnny Sack was telling Paulie Carmine knew who he was to make Paulie feel special and respected by NY to play him for information about NJ

@fsdafdsafdas 3 года назад

This is utterly amazing analysis and I didn't think of even half of these reasons. AMAZING THANK YOU! You've added so much to this scene for me today and for years to come!!!

@marks6663 3 года назад

Johnny lied when he told Ralph that Carmine did not know who he was. Previously Carmine had mentioned how good Ralph was at running the Esplanade. Johnny lied to prevent Ralph from going directly to Carmine over his head. So do not take from the fact that Johnny told Ralph that Carmine did not know him that he also did not know Paulie. Johnny lied both times. He lied to Ralph that Carmine did not know him, and lied to Paulie that Carmine was very impressed with him.

@coryhoneycutt3699 3 года назад

I loved paulie. He was a snake at times but thats the way people are when you live a life of crime. He was entertaining and Sirico played his character amazingly.

@the_local_bigamist 3 года назад

There's a reason people find Paulie to be a funny character: he was written that way. A joke, a fool, a comic relief, in the context of mob life.

@Pazuzu82 3 года назад

He played the character amazingly because he was in mafia in real life aswel

@brownpunk1794 3 года назад

Dude was a legit hardman..he wasnt acting

@Labowski2569 3 года назад

It's amazing how Paulie got to where he was both in longevity and rank without ever getting whacked. It's implied that Tony, fed up with him at one point, had actually considered taking him out himself !

@detectiveMM 3 года назад

Yeah he almost killed him on the boat

@furbabydaddy5604 3 года назад

And should have. Possibly the beginning of the end for Tony.

@joemckim1183 Год назад

@@furbabydaddy5604 Tony probably would've taken out Paulie if Beansie didn't talk him out of it.

@OneOnOne1162 3 года назад

Wouldn't it be hilarious if Carmine actually DID think the world of Paulie, he DID want to add him to their family and Sack wasn't lying but Carmine, being the careful boss that he is, simply pretended not to know Paulie because they were in public and he was afraid of wiretaps or the wrong people overhearing them or something? And then Paulie misconstrues that as him ACTUALLY not knowing who he is and flips back to Tony's side despite in reality Carmine wanting to guy in his family? That would be great.

@lee7828 2 года назад

If they haven’t been formally introduced as made men, by a third made member of la cosa Nostra; then carmine is 100% right to not acknowledge Paulie & is sticking to the rules. You cannot acknowledge someone as a made guy, unless you have been formally introduced. Even if you know that person is made.

@johnmurdoch3083 3 года назад

I thought this was more about not acknowledging people who arent formally introduced through the proper channells..for instance a made man doesnt just approach another made man..a third made man known to both must be there to introduce. Uncle junior pulled the same stunt when jackie jr. Spoke to him

@tommyphil4713 3 года назад

Except Jackie Jr wasn’t a made man

@johnmurdoch3083 3 года назад

@@tommyphil4713 even still its not about being a made man but a boss vs A made man

@henrik3291 3 года назад

If Johnny Sack would have been serious about what he said, Carmine would have been to greedy to care. Though that says more about Paulie's ego(beliving all the bs Sack told him).

@mikimiyazaki 3 года назад

This guy! "Even this pigmie thing" 😂

@DMaria216 3 года назад

Oh…chicks do this all the time. You are introduced to someone you already know…you act like you don’t know them. It’s like a power move I guess.

@alexander1902 3 года назад

Interesting. You Italian as well?

@robertlee4172 3 года назад

Carmine definitely playing dumb. He's with his wife and family at a big party, he doesn't want to "talk business at the dinner table". Or else BADA BING! Blood all over his Ivy League suit.

@keldonmcfarland2969 3 года назад

Bravo, Bravo. 👏 👏 👏

@bigdaddytrips6197 2 года назад

It's because Johnny was playing Paulie the whole time . Carmine had no idea of what Johnny Sack was up to . When Paulie looks himself in the mirror he figured out he was being played and used for his information on new Jersey.

@maldegaar 3 года назад

Let me say a couple of three things here. 1) No matter how much reverence the actors, critics and fans have for the Sopranos, I somehow doubt that the writers or David Chase would anticipate this level of scrutiny over this scene or even these scenes in general. That being said, nothing happens here that is significant enough to be a plot hole in my opinion. 2) Carmine (and the actor playing him) were playing this scene straight. He didn't recognise him. And he seemed confused, not irritated by the whole interaction. The scene for me was meant to convey that Johnny Sack was the one really running things and that Carmine was senile. For me that was the purpose of the scene from the NY perspective. From the NJ perspective, it's that Paulie was naive, blinkered, petty and got played. The scene in the toilet afterwards is the impact scene. Depending on how you feel about Paulie it's suppose to engender sympathy, pity or contempt for the character. For me, mainly pity but I was nowhere near hard enough on these characters.

@thereluctanttraveler8506 3 года назад

Yes, my thoughts precisely. The comical bit is the self-preservation mode Paulie goes into after this scene. Remember the Sun Tzu (Sun TooZoo) bit at the Bada Bing and how Tony put him on to reading the Art of War and all the ass kissing after that. To me it’s the comical aftermath that’s more entertaining than the realization that he’s been deceived by Johnny Sac.

@MPal24 2 года назад

I personally never got the impression that the scene was meant to convey senility in Carmine, but agree 100% that it shows Johnny's scheming and keeping Carmine out of the loop of everything that's going on.

@terrortorn Год назад

Paulie knows those who rise high fall the furthest. His ballsack skin is still intact despite all those above him ending up with the fishes. It may at times wrangle with him but his position is the result of a long term survival strategy. He never had to resort to a cup of pencils.

@charger19691 3 года назад

When Carmine asked Paulie If his father got run over by a trolley, I sprayed my Diet Coke across the room. I just thought it was totally hilarious! Carmine Sr. was one of my favorites on the show, I just loved watching this guy act. The most underrated Sopranos cast member in my opinion. And no, I don’t think Carmine was faking it when he didn’t know Paulie.

@themusic6808 3 года назад

The DiMeo crime family (which Tony runs) is just a small mafia outfit in New Jersey, the Lupertazzi crime family (based loosely on the real life Gambino family) are one of the 5 families of New York. Carmine as well as Phil Leotardo both make comments diminishing the existing or importance of New Jersey within the mob with Carmine calling them nothing but a glorified crew, so it’s evident they don’t take them all that seriously. Paulie being a character who often flys under the radar to outside entities looking at Tony and crew it’s not surprising one of the bosses of New York wouldn’t be aware of him.

@anta-zj3bw 3 года назад

Carmine "knew' of Ralph also.. you forgot.. He kept shut down Johnny S when he wanted to clip him.

@gabrielM1111 3 года назад

Could you please rephrase that.

@toddpick8007 3 года назад

Ralph was a huge earner though .

@anta-zj3bw 3 года назад

@@toddpick8007 yes, of course.. that was obviously why

@brianmccarthy5557 3 года назад

It's Mafia protocol, from everything I've heard, and just old fashioned politeness that senior people need to be introduced to somebody by a third party they both know. This is where the old Mob greeting "This is Paulie. He's a friend of mine." is used to introduce a criminal associate but not a made man. If it's "This is Paulie. He's a friend of ours." then he's a made guy. You still don't discuss things in public but now you know who each other are. This is also true for non-criminal human relations. You get hired for a professional job at a 250 person company company. You are introduced to your own boss, of course, since they probably interviewed you. Probably you get introduced to your boss's boss. Normally you're not introduced to the head of the company as a new hire. You don't go by their office, stick your head in and start a conversation. You won't make friends or earn respect. Similar to the situation here. I don't know if he recognized Paulie or not. He's too good of an actor. I only know he would, and should, have done exactly the same thing in either situation. Paulie was lucky he didn't get whacked.

@thelonewolf2476 3 года назад

Where Carmine in the new movie?

@daveowens271 Год назад

Pauley should have known Johnny Sack was full of it when he said Carmine asks about him. Also, the mere fact that Johnny was even paying attention to him should have been a red flag. I mean, seriously? Johnny Sack is the freaking underboss of the New York Mafia! Why would he be chatting up Pauley if it weren't for selfish reasons? Tony would have been livid. More at Pauley than Johnny because Tony would have done the same thing if given a chance.

@robertsutton1295 3 года назад

I think the analysis shows that it works just as well either way: a) Carmine really didn't know who Paulie was, or, b) feigned ignorance to protect himself AND rebuke street-guy Paulie for just waltzing up and initiating contact with a Boss. The ambiguity complements and heightens the subtext of Mob Life as depicted on The Sopranos: you're never, ever, really 100% sure of anything, and it's the thing you THINK you know, but don't, that gets you whacked.

@atlasking6110 3 года назад

This is wrong on a couple of levels. First of all, Paulie had been around since the Johnny Soprano days, he's practically a contemporary of Carmine's. In all those years Carmine would have to have met or at least known who Paulie was. But more than all that, the way the LCN works is, Tony would have to get his patron Family, that's the Lupertazzi's, to approve ALL new made guys. That's what "opening the books" means. Paulie doesn't get made without Carmine's approval.

@STONESGAM 3 года назад

Carmine was in charge of a large family in NYC with about 200 made guys and probably like 15 to 20 Captains. Plus he probably had dealings with the other 4 family bosses in NY, union people, as well as Tony. Johnny Sack was kind of the liaison for their dealings and Construction projects with North Jersey and knew more of the players in NJ. Carmine likely only knew Junior, Tony and Sylvio and maybe Chris because he brought him with sometimes to sitdowns. And eventually Ralph because of the Esplanade Construction project which was highly important and a gold mine for both families. And before the Esplanade Johnny Sack told Ralph that Carmine "doesn't know who you are" when Ralph and Tony were feuding in mid season 3 and he inquired to Johnny about changing families. Pauly was a longtime Mob guy but was really just a knock around soldier until Tony made him Captain and let him take over his old crew. I would bet Carmine maybe didn't know some of Tony's other captains very well or at all either. The Lupertazzi Family had a lot going on and their dealings with the North Jersey family was only a portion of it. He was likely only familiar with the key players .

@Rob-eo5ql Год назад

Carmine probably gets fanboyed like this every weekend at these wedding receptions. That’s probably his move.

@eaglewinnings8003 3 года назад

Here are the possible reasons IMHO: 1. Carmine really didn't know who Paulie was. Many times throughout the series Carmine is portrayed as aloof and often somewhat confused (this is portrayed so brilliantly by Tony Lipp). He's de facto boss who hasn't been overthrown because his capos and their crews are happy and earning. Forget Paulie, a member of a family in Jersey that he considers a "glorified crew", its possible that Carmine doesn't even remember soldiers within his own family. 2. Carmine absolutely recognized Paulie. Johnny Sack had kept Carmine up to snuff as to the information he had gathered from Paulie and Carmine knew how this had financially benefitted New York in a big way. Hearing of Paulie's greed and money hungry nature throughout the years, Carmine decided to pretend that he didn't know Paulie, as the former assumed that the latter would approach him for some type of favor/repayment. Carmine decided the best way to not have to deal with Paulie was act like he didn't even know who he was. 3. Carmine recognized Paulie but simply didn't feel like exchanging pleasantries and having a conversation. This happens to me and I'm a third of Carmine's age. You see someone you haven't seen in a very long time and for whatever reason you just don't feel like talking to them so you just act like you don't recognize them. IMO of course Carmine recognized Paulie. He had been a soldier in a family Carmine regularly did business with for over 30 years. Then you remember the Columbo Wars. As @cineranter mentions in this video Paulie acknowledges just how lucky he was to escape that with his life. Surely Carmine was in the thick of things during all of that. My answer is 2. You don't become and stay Boss of one of the five families while avoiding (long if any) stints in the can being so clueless that you have no idea who a capo in a neighboring family you often do business with.

@prophetbillmartin6262 2 года назад

The Sopranos Carmine has no ideal who Paulie is Paulie looks like an idiot for telling Johnny Saccrimoni All of The Soprano Family's Business!!! 😆 🤣 lol 😆 😂

@TraphouseBoominOU 3 года назад

Damn I love the way you break these joints down

@FatGouf 2 года назад

Ralph is such a good earner that even though not a captain, NY acknowledges him, that's why he keep acting like a Grade A asshole, he's pretty much untouchable. Paulie was old school but for decades known simply as an old muscle, he was never a good earner. Eveything he "earned" was somebody else's work and since he's a Capo, he automatically gets a cut.

@Tommy_Gibbs_II 3 года назад

Johnny Saks was trying to use Paulie for info and to get him to turn on Tony.

@BigCheech-wy9os 3 года назад

By Lubertazi questioning who he was. Wasnt like he didnt reckonize him. It was more like Who the Fk are you to talk to me? Like the owner of some major company seeing a employee at an important event. Yea he knows who he is but wtf. Thats why he says Sack? Talk to me about what? If he didnt know who he was he would of never volunteered any information. He would of just said “ who the fk are you”

@trollwithoutcontent2788 3 года назад

Really man? Does anyone need this to be explained??

@pontifex9285 2 года назад

Impressively overwrought rationalization of a plot hole/inconsistency. The writes just wanted to show that Johnny Sack was lying, not caring about how long Paulie's been around.

@Anthony-yl3hs 3 года назад

Rule is your not supposed to talk to another made man without first being introduced, let alone a boss of another family I would say that was the reason, also Carmine insulating himself

@cristristam9054 3 года назад

How can that be the reason ,when they were both present at Chris' induction party ?

@ThisIsSparta300 2 года назад

@@cristristam9054 you can’t speak out of turn or the pecking order

@lawrenceterrell8471 2 года назад

Let's be honest Paulie was brokest gangster in the entire show he could never pay a tab, he slept in the bing Paulie wasn't even big earner, but allowed himself to get manipulate by johnny sac who only used Paulie, to get feed inside info on Tony operations which always led to Tony having sit-down meeting about NY wanting a slice of the pie, Paulie loose lips result in many people getting killed and create alot of issue for Tony, including telling Johnny Sac when he was locked up about the Jenie Sac joke Ralph told everyone, Paulie was the poorest of gangster in the series.

@mikimiyazaki 3 года назад

Ya he was supposed to be introduced by another made man when first introduced to another made man.

@arronshaw6878 3 года назад

For first introduction only, he’s expecting Carmine to remember him, but Carmine has no idea who he is. You can’t expect someone to remember you if they had never met(which they would have been introduced)

@SVT1969 Год назад

It's all protocol with these guys, especially an old boss. Paulie should have known this, you gotta go through a middle-man. This shows he is not the brightest bulb at times, gullible.

@starwarsroo2448 3 года назад

“Carmine’s not here”?

@T-roc57 3 года назад

He's gone?

@nothingtoseehere449 Год назад

he knows paulie but paulie broke a rule. You are never supposed to go up to the boss of another family room and introduce yourself without an mutual intermediary he could’ve been killed for that

@chrisdraughn5941 3 года назад

The short answer is: They wrote the episode that way, they wanted to amp up Pauli’s realization that Johnny Sack had been stringing him along.

@DrJ-hx7wv 3 года назад

Not even close to an answer

@chrisdraughn5941 3 года назад

@@DrJ-hx7wv - It was a TV show, simpleton.

@Premixandmaster Месяц назад

Because John played Paulie the whole time for information

@seansmith7462 3 года назад

Paulie was still a low earning soldier in his mid 50's, he only rose up because of his association with Tony. Tony's father even bypassed him and made Tony capo of his crew because he knew Paulie wasnt up for the job

@nobad6134 3 года назад

It’s not clear Johnny Boy had died by the time Tony S started to run his own crew. Remember Tony was part of Jackie Aprile’s crew for a bit and answered to him. I think it was when Jackie Aprile became acting boss that Tony formally created his own crew as a capo regime.

@seansmith7462 3 года назад

@@nobad6134 the show says that he took over his fathers crew after he died from emphysema according to johnny boy's wishes. Paulie, Big Pussy and the rest followed Tony

@herseyberry4655 2 года назад

You see how old fish lips Carmine threw shade on Paulie? Your father was run over by a street car ? The proper protocol for made men is not to talk to another made man unless introduced by a made man they both know. It's supposed to be a very secret society the less people who know who you are the better especially civilians.