Judas betrayed Jesus Peter denied Jesus The difference is that peter repent and judas end his own life. (edit) Wow 2 years later, I'm surprised with how many responded and how many can't really comprehend my simple statement. Please read the bible carefully and get some Kierkegaard.
Texas chainsaw: I would love to have the ability to know what it is you are saying, Texas, but I cannot understand what in the world you are inferring! Judas did not make a sacrifice at all, he simply cut off the pain he was suffering emotionally, because he had sold His Best Friend for the price of a slave! Obviously, you have not the inner working of the Spirit, to explain to you what had occurred, and so I will tell you: In order to help Judas to trust people in general - Messiah could tell this was a very sore point with him - Yahushua asked him to be the one who would take care of the money that was often given to the Messiah for miracles He had performed to help people who were suffering from ailments and the like. In this way, Messiah wanted to help Judas to understand the concept of love for others, and how to trust others, who show you their love. However, at times, Judas had taken money from the communal purse for selfish reasons, without asking. Sadly, Judas did not learn this needed trust in friends and family. Judas always wanted to be considered a great thinker within the group, and so Haylale the devil to whom Judas was opened to, orchestrated in Judas' mind a plan whereby this could become a reality to the group and his Master: Haylale helped Judas to ascertain Yahushua would NEVER allow the Pharisees to trap Him, as Judas had seen the miracles Yahushua had often worked to help others, and so he went to rabbis and sought after 30 pieces of silver, telling them he would point Yahushua out to them, some night when He would be virtually alone save for the other 11, thinking this was a neat way to MAKE Yahushua come out in the open to the Pharisees, and take over as the King of the Jews, Judas actually thought his Master was indeed. Haylale convinced Judas this was a quick way to gain some silver, and too, bring the Messiah out in the open as King, saving himself, and taking command of the people. Because Judas was not a truly spiritually changed man, he could not understand any of the spiritual words Messiah had shared with the 12, and so he did not see that it had been planned in Heaven, before the Earth was made (see Ephesians 1: 4, KJV), that Yahushua came to the earth to become the Sacrificial Offering for all of humanity. He expected to help Messiah work miracles to be made free, when this was never something He would want to do, for the Saviour of humanity, MUST DIE AS HUMANITY! When Judas knew Yahushua was indeed going to be crucified, he tried to have the Pharisees take back the money he had gotten for the plan of turning the Saviour over to them in the night, and so having thrown the money back at them, he went into despair, and went out and hanged himself! Judas took his own life, because he was used as a pawn by Haylale, and instead of asking Father Yahuwah for forgiveness for his sinful mistake, he took his own life. I expect now that you see the story from the proper perspective, you see how unreasonable your suggestion was. All must study to show themselves approved unto Yahuwah Elohim, my friend, and so deeper study of the Sacred Scriptures, will give you more needful information that you too will become a blessed help to those who need it in times of struggles.
@@Android-ds9ie Yes some people were created to accomplish God s plan and purpose. Adam didn't sinned because he wanted but God did that so show how he was going to show his power and glory. Jesus was chosen before creation of the World to come and destroy Satan- sin in the end. "He(Jesus)was chosen before the creation of the world, but revealed in the last times for your sake. "(1Peter1:20) "This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time ,but it has now been revealed through the appearing of our Savior, Christ Jesus,who has destroyed death and has brought life and immortality to the light through the gospel.(2Tim.1:8-10) "I am the First and the Last I am the Living One;I was dead,and Behold I am alive for ever and ever!And I hold the keys of death and Hades"(Rev.1:17,18)) "Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adamt to the time of Moses ,even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam who was a pattern of the ONE TO COME(Jesus)"(Rom.5:14;1Cor.15:42-57) God knew that mankind would become sinners but in advance prepared Jesus to come and make them righteous in order to be with him in his heavenly kingdom to come,new earth or paradise. He also wanted to show his mighty, power when he destroys Satan and his followers, the fallen angels or evil spirits and some human beings.Examples humans like Pharaoh,Judas(Exodus4:21;John17:11)
The sin of Judas is unforgivable beyond compare Judas knows the truth he knows that Jesus Christ is the only begotten of the Father he was with Jesus when Jesus performed so many miracles like seeing the blind, healed the lepers, risen the dead and many more and not only these Jesus called him to become one of his Apostles Jesus gave Judas a chance to be save and inherit the Kingdom of God but all of these good things he received from Jesus Christ all are nothings for him still he betrayed his master for only 30 pcs of silver. For the love of money Judas sold his lord which is planned and intentional while Peter due of fear and weakness of the flesh he was forced of the circumtances to denied his Lord although it not considered a big sin and pardonable unlike the sin of Judas which was planned and intentional.
It's truly one of the great mysteries of God. There will some things we will not grasp until we meet our Creator. We can no more understand this than a dog understands a can opener.
Auger3504. You just answered yourself why God created us by calling him "Creator". God creates. He loves to create. It is his nature. He did not create us to sin. Sin came because of our nature and more specifically the devil.
@John Kersey God knew there would be sinners because he gave us freewill. And because he knew that people would sin against him he created the universe with the least amount of sinners possible. God wants all of us to go to heaven but some of us choose not too.
He answered quite clearly. God was not immoral for creating a universe like this because free which causes people to hate and love God. And love by definition is freely given. Pretty good answer as to why he created a universe like this. How did he dodge it?
@@romanlaw5409 God gives faith. And people without faith are not without faith because of their free will. Is this a premise we can say religion and acceptance of others is based upon? If so, how can God judge people who do not beleive as 'sinful' when it is (He) who did not give them faith in the first place? If you argue sin has nothing to do with faith, all to do with being a moral person, then yes you have a point with free will. Otherwise, it's a catch 22
“For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil. The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.” Matthew 11:18-19
We always try to figure out God's ways with logic and reasoning, forgetting that God exists in a dimensional plane that is far more complex than ours. There is no way we can ever understand how God works. We only have to trust and obey.
God allmighty gave us feee will and send down to us all thw books as thw manual for life, to tell us that this world is a test... Human chose to obey, or not obey, despite the books of revelation... People of the book have spread the teachings of each book and even contemplated with non people of the book... I. E. Hindus had the same basic teaching, God allmighty is One and theres no one like HIM
I agree with Gordymax. No wonder Jesus said unless we become like little children we cannot enter the Kingdom of God. Like children we are called to simply trust and obey and the blessings automatically follow.
You can love them, but you cant force them to love you back.... God can't unlove you in the same way you can't unlove your kids (congratz you understand in a way the love of God, that is one of the beauties of being a parent). As all good parents know you have to let your kids make their own choices in life and allow them to grow. God allows us to fail because to prevent us from doing so will be violating our free will. Not a ridiculous argument.
@Sheep Dog God could violate our free will... but that is against his character. This isnt a point referenced directly in scripture, but something that has been observed.
How is that luck if that is his nature? Is God lucky that his nature is that He wouldnt want to violate our free will? That makes no sense. Im really confused what you are trying to say right now
HIS grace is made sufficient for us. Many unfortunately don’t realize that due to HIS finished work on the cross, we can do NOTHING to earn or make things better no matter how hard we try. While i also struggled with the question that it ain’t fair that we are born of original sin that we have no control of but HIS grace took care of all that and now all we need to do is be thankful and live in that belief till the end.
We're all worthless sinners and must depend on Jesus to enter Heaven because no matter what we'll never be good enough on our own...way to boost self-esteem, eh? It isn't even our fault that Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit, not to mention we weren't even born yet. But nevertheless....
-*-This is a really bad apologetics video, it doesn't answer why God creates people that God knows will reject him. Is he forced to create all humans even the ones that go to hell. if not why not create only those who go to heaven? Free will is not a solution because in heaven we will have free will and there will be no sin please help.
And the funny thing about that is we always get different answers. It's almost as if these apologists are scrambling to defend their faith and theres no actual God guiding them or revealing things to them. Shocker
Michael H No you don't, that's a generalization. Most of them agree on the essentials which is confirmed in the Bible, but human beings struggle with semantics religious or not.
Michael H alot of these men do walk after the flesh and not the Spirit so I see what you're saying, the Holy Spirit is who has all the Truth. Alot of these men rely on their fleshly intellect rather than the wisdom of the Holy Spirit, idk about Frank turek but I can say this for zacarias.
I usually answer this with an analogy using parenthood. Your parents KNEW for sure, that if they brought you into this world that you would experience pain, hardship, loss, and eventually death. Every parent knows this, and yet they still choose to bring you into this world. Does anybody question the goodness of their parents for choosing to bring you into this world knowing full well the pain and suffering we all face? Nope.
@@yourbrain5685 umm yes parents are all knowing? They k ow their child will experience pain and they k ow their child will die, sometimes a horrible death. Are they wrong for creating the child? Why would you bring a kid into the world that may suffer a horrible death or even turn against you?
@@yourbrain5685 lol, so god should have just created a world where everything is hunky dory and everything is perfect.... He did, it's called heaven, we all have the opportunity to get there.
@@johnnyyork3796 In fact He did create that world. It's all in Genesis. But our first parents chose to listen to the serpent. They had the perfect environment and the perfect world but chose differently.
@@johnnyyork3796 What is the purpose of creating Heaven, then sending us all here to spent 80 or so years in pain, suffering, disease, etc. only to give us the opportunity to go to Heaven afterward? Why not just create us and put us all in Heaven to start with?
His statement "God can get done what he wants even through evil or through an atheist" is 100% right! I became more inclined towards God (and reduced my love for worldly pleasures) because I saw how empty rich and powerful atheists were. They have everything but they still seek joy and happiness. It was through them that I realized that I may not be rich as them, but my faith in God and Christ gives me joy and that I was chosen by Jesus to be saved. If I hadn't seen those atheists I wouldn't have understood that part. So God, through those atheists showed me how joyful I am because of God.
Not necessarily. You can’t live happily ever after with money, but you can live happily ever after when you spend it. So, an atheist can choose to spend that money or not.
People seek and find happiness down all sorts of avenues. Belief in a god is just one way. And what brings one person happiness may not work for someone else. It's a very predictable, assumptive, and frankly dishonest pitch from theists to present their particular faith as the only way to happiness and any alternative as a path to misery. Practically all faiths use this technique to convert or take advantage of unhappy people. And you can't tell me there are zero "believers" who are wealthy but also miserable. You're comment assumes only atheists can be those two things. Plenty of anecdotal evidence of people who leave their faith and feel joyful and better off for it. Very predictable and weak responses to this include: "they didn't have enough faith" OR "they weren't _true_ Christians" OR "they just wanted to sin" etc etc. Just out of curiosity, do you think a Hindu can be wealthy and "joyful"? Surely the honest answer is yes, they can. How is that possible? They're not an atheist or a Christian.
@@damienschwass9354 Fear of hell and the feeling they belong to God he he is bigger than all things and they will be saved and have riches in heaven is why they believe. It's there choice that's fine, but it is sad when they shut out any possibility for anything else, so narrow minded. and will say me saying that is Satan deceiving lol I digress
The problem with our mindset when we ask some of these questions is that too often we assume that we are the most important beings in the universe, that everything is just God trying to do whatever we want Him to for our own purposes “trying His best” to give us an easy life, not God working to bring glory to Himself. This is not to deny God’s love and mercy towards us. Rather, when we realize the holiness of God, His love and mercy amaze us even more. (See Romans 8 and 9)
@@MrMakingwavesmedia you have the universe to prove you wrong. I dont know if you know basic science but, the law of conservation of energy states that energy cannot be destroyed nor created, it can only be transformed. So it only make sense that some omnipotent being like God himself created the universe.
God supposedly created us to honor him...rather selfish, don't you think? And since God supposedly knows everything, and lets bad things happen anyway, he's not much of a father figure. If my children mess up and I know I can do something to correct their behavior, I do it. It is called being a good parent. God does...nothing. He could end any doubt in anyone's mind as to his existence but He never does....it's all some sick joke.
But from a Christian Biblical worldview you can know certain things about "Why would God do something..." Some things we don't fully know but we can know lots of things about God and why God does certain things. We can know what God has told us and revealed to us about himself.
We believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God, so Apologia5 is correct in that we believe God has revealed himself in Scripture and we can know it to be true. But there are still things that God has chosen not to reveal to us, thereby forcing us to put our faith in Him rather than in our reason.
Imagine dressing up just to come to these meetings, and sit there only to go home afterwards and eat sleep watch tv and sleep, life's so simple but so boring
@Gummi Bear Handlink I don’t understand why ask these questions that no one can truly answer. Just live in love and leave the rest alone. Choose love or hate which ever one makes you happy there is no in between.i choose love because it’s what gives me joy and it makes life easier for me.
I've always felt like this question was never meant for us as creation to understand. Sometimes we become so loving of logic we forget that God is also full of mystery - full of reaching into the world and changing something that defies logic because He's just God. He's allowed lol
/*/This is a really bad apologetics video, it doesn't answer why God creates people that God knows will reject him. Is he forced to create all humans even the ones that go to hell. if not why not create only those who go to heaven? Free will is not a solution because in heaven we will have free will and there will be no sin please help.
If god knew I would go to hell then the tests are pointless, I'm an atheist ex muslim, hinduism and Buddhism to me makes the most sense, as it's about your karma the way you lived your life, it dosent matter weather your a muslim christian jew or atheist. All you gotta do Is live as a good person, in hell you would be punished until everything is cleared off of you. That's from what I know however so don't trust it
@destiny6080 then you have to ask what's Good ? Can everyone agree on something or is good subjective ? Survival is different than what's good. The bible sets the basis for what's good and what's bad. It's the instructions to a good life and an even Greater eternity.
God can do whatever He wants. True. But when that "mystery" involves a lot of people coming into existence who are going to spend eternity in torment, it becomes a lot more difficult to be content just letting it remain a mystery. I'm not saying God has to justify Himself. I'm saying the fact that He both proceeded with creation and chose to give us free will makes Him harder to trust from our perspective.
Imagine if you tell your parents, hey mum dad I have decided not to love you from this moment on. Do you think your parents will wish that you will burn in hell forever or do you think that they will say that's fine son/daughter we still love you and you can stay with us for as long as you like?
@@valdirmassiala606 Who said children would burn in hell ? God sure didn't . Now ...do East Indian child brides burn when the husband they were forced to marry , dies ? Sadly , the answer is still yes . That's quite a contradiction in world views wouldn't you say ?
@@markanthony3275 when I say child I mean humans, I'm using an example to illustrate your religious teaching of God and his creations. You churches teach that if you refuse Jesus as your saviour you will go to hell rite?
@@valdirmassiala606 bro in Hinduism Krishna said I have given free will to humans only. They can reject me or accept me. Humans suffers from their own karmas. I don't put them in hell because they didn't accept me. Krishna says " A good soul never suffers either in this world or in any other world"
God let’s us sin because he cares to much about his creatures to interfere with our ability to choose what is devotion to him if it is forced upon or created before hand it is worthless true love for him must come from our ability to choose to love him
Josh Unger Yeah... He cares so much about us that he decided that the rule was "love me or go to eternal torture". If I gave that ultimatum to my kids they'd be taken off me by social services.
@@ChrisFineganTunes , . God created mankind in his image: sinless, immortal, and in fellowship with himself. Man told God he knew better and disobeyed. In spite of that, God tries to rescue us. But he does not force us to respond to him. . The Parable of the Prodigal Son is one of the best explanations for how this all works. Two sons, same father. The younger son was an outward rebel who sinned, realized his error, repented, and was welcomed back. The older son was outwardly obedient, but in his heart held a grudge against his younger brother and refused to come into the banquet even after his father told him, "Everything I have is yours." . Who is at fault for the older brother refusing to participate?
Chris Finegan no, because if god is the standard and source of all that is good, then to reject a relationship with god is to reject the very source of love or goodness itself. So hell is the absence of love or goodness of any kind. Hope that makes sense.
@@ChrisFineganTunes And to save us from eternal torture, he also gave us his son. So he did his part now it's your turn to do yours. Accept Jesus and I promise you won't be disappointed.
@@loverofjesus4856 no it's not a concrete answer God could have simply not created me that would have been my choice if he gave me that option but he didn't. He created me and said love me or go to hell it may be free will but it's not fair
It’s because God saw you from eternity and fell in love with you even before you were created but as our speaker mentioned that true love requires free will and its price was His sacrifice. God created People He knew would sin to show His infinite Love.
Yall makeing god sound like the guy from the show YOU. And if he doesnt like you or the people around you he just bumps you here and there to get you be obssessed with him for eternity🤷♂️
Turek should not be your Sheppard Turek : freewill, God will torture you if you do not love or obey him Logic:. Mankind to child, obey and love me or I will throw u in a closet and burn your body everyday with unthinkable pain for all your days on Earth. Child:. I'm forced to love my Dad or else Conclusion: forced love and not freely and not freewill. Scriptures: God said you didn't chose me but I chose you. God drags mankind to himself To each in his own turn Does not the Potter have power over the clay? Can the clay ask why you make me this way? Romans 9:21 Has not the Potter have the right to make out of the SAME lump of clay, one for honor purposes and the other dishonored purposes. It is therefore not of man's desire or effort but of Gods mercy. His Mercy endureth forever Who gets All the glory All the credit All the pure love ? God's grace alone Not of man Nor can he boast
God's words are pure His words are Spirit His words are taught in parables to the masses So those given understanding have ears to hear and those not given will not hear till they are open. For a season and for a purpose under heaven.
For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth." So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. You will say to me then, "Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?" But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, "Why have you made me like this?" Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory- even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles? Romans 9:17-24 ESV
Holy Scripture always says it best. Somehow man wants to defend or reinvent God in order to "protect His character." Hence they come up with book titles like Chosen but Free (is that logically possible?!) in order to explain away, or minimize the mystery, but all too often end up making flat contradictions and bringing the Sovereign and good God of Scripture down to man's level.
Vae07 So, basically you're saying that it's fine to bring beings into this world for no other reason than to be tormented and punished? I can't really read that passage any other way.
G Will Even granting that this is the plan, why punish them? There is no logical follow through. Assuming that some people are made simply to show other what evil is, why punish them when they had no decision on how they are molded? Why not simply end their suffering into oblivion? Is an eternity in hell deserved?
Isn't it amazing how the most powerful and awesome being in all existence created us and wants to have close personal relationship with everyone of us! Also how Frank seems to know the mind of this all knowing and powerful being!?
He loves us so much that even knowing beforehand, some will reject Him; He still allows them to be born to experience life & to enjoy His Creation & Universe! ... And it's not Frank seemingly knowing God's mind, no one can ever comprehend a minute bit of God's mind .... it's rather through studying Scripture, we all are able to know God's character & will for us.
@@alivefortomorrow437 Could of fooled me, Frank seems to always have answers to questions that he couldn't possible know the answer too. The level of narcissism in Christianity is truly off the charts! "I'm so special that the most powerful and awesome being in all of existence loves me."
@@jacoblee5796 Based on this answer, I'm now not quite sure about your initial comment. Was it in fact sarcasm, instead of agreeing with Christianity? Are you an Atheist? Are you actually scoffing at us believing in a God Created Universe & that Christ died for our sins because He loved us that much?
Maybe having free will is the definition of "perfect" in God's eyes. What makes someone perfect ? Not sinning ? Then that's impossible because having free will automatically makes you vulnerable to be greedy, to lie, etc.
Bue Lost read free will by Sam Harris. Free will is an illusion. Our brain makes decisions in what we say, think, and do milliseconds before we are consciously aware of it. We are all at the mercy of our brain and living under the illusion that everything we’re doing is on our own prerogative.
@@bigbriggsof1996 So you didn't write this reply to a stranger on the internet on your own free will? If your brain decides to delete the comment, does that count as your will? Mind is completely different than brain.
Wow....Judas walked with Jesus for 3 years. Jesus always knew he would betray him & he loved him like the other Apostles. Could Judas had repented just like Peter did after denying Jesus 3 X?
Fayde God is outside of time. We are in time. He sees the beginning and end of our lives. That is why He knows. With that said, He doesn't force you to make the wrong choice. In the time, aka history, you choose. God only watches from the outside. God didn't create anyone who He knew will go to hell, He created everyone with free will. But, being outside of time he already saw how everything turned out. He even knows what happened to me. He knows if I am in hell or not. But I made the conscious choice where I will be. I just can't see it yet, due to the constraints of time. Eastern Orthodox Christianity the only true path to salvation. Slava Bogu za sve! Христос Воскресе!
unapologeticwhiteman Winner God is outside of time. We are in time. He sees the beginning and end of our lives. That is why He knows. With that said, He doesn't force you to make the wrong choice. In the time, aka history, you choose. God only watches from the outside. God didn't create anyone who He knew will go to hell, He created everyone with free will. But, being outside of time he already saw how everything turned out. He even knows what happened to me. He knows if I am in hell or not. But I made the conscious choice where I will be. I just can't see it yet, due to the constraints of time. Eastern Orthodox Christianity the only true path to salvation. Slava Bogu za sve! Христос Воскресе!
@@originallaserbolt4131 God is outside of time. We are in time. He sees the beginning and end of our lives. That is why He knows. With that said, He doesn't force you to make the wrong choice. In the time, aka history, you choose. God only watches from the outside. God didn't create anyone who He knew will go to hell, He created everyone with free will. But, being outside of time he already saw how everything turned out. He even knows what happened to me. He knows if I am in hell or not. But I made the conscious choice where I will be. I just can't see it yet, due to the constraints of time. Eastern Orthodox Christianity the only true path to salvation. Slava Bogu za sve! Христос Воскресе!
He changed her actual question to a different question. The real question is if god knows all, why not make a world filled with people he knows will choose him, and leave the other people unmade.
Because if I say to you: "Don't take my snickers" and you eat my snickers, then I go back in time and prevent you from ever being born, I am limiting your free will. If I kill you, or stop you from existing because you will do something I don't like, I am preventing free will. In order to stop those people from existing, he would also have to prevent people from reproducing, which would limit free will ever further.
He Who Sits Upon Froggy Chair God could do this infinitely different ways. Could let the bloodlines that will keep producing people he wants to live on. Or just, ya know, convince people himself because he knows what would convince people
Because free will would not exist if He were to do that. And God doesn’t do anything easy He was making sure in the beginning no one can deny that He is God in thee end.
Robert Lewis @ all God’s creatures, visible and invisible world, have free will. You are free to obey or disobey the creator. In this context, despite being in a state of perfection, some angels chose to rebel against his rulership. Subsequently, God put down the rebellion and sentence them in the eternal lake of fire. Meanwhile, these fallen creatures caused man to sin against God; but the creator foreknew the fall. Therefore, had a sacrifice ready before the foundation of the world, the lamb of God( Jesus the Christ). Contrary to the fallen angels, God love us with an everlasting love.If you accept the gift of the sacrifice, you get to spend eternity with him. The creator doesn’t force or compel anyone to love him whatsoever.
@@heiskingofkingsandlordoflo681 where do people come up with this stuff? I assume this is all metaphorical because it would certainly be wacky to believe it literally. Lol!
Robert Lewis @haha God lives in another dimension. Therefore, he has to reveal himself to us in other for us to know things about him. My faith is not a blind faith, but rather is based on evidence. First, he gave the scriptures. Second, he revealed himself to us through his beloved son Jesus the messiah. No one ever died and came back from the dead, but he did by his own power. Historians and the scriptures concurred that Jesus died and rose from the dead. Evidence and facts.
Frank, i have been following you for some time and i must comment that you doing a good job. with this question, one biblical answer you can give, is Matthew 25:41(the ending says that, GOD prepared the lake of fire for the devil and his angels). So ideally, the lake of fire is not meant for human, it's our allegiance to the devil (satan) that make us partake in his punishment.
@@ifrankenstein7455 , "They just want to live their lives." . I agree with you in one sense. But step back for a moment: if you just want to live your life, then you owe allegiance to yourself and no one and nothing else. How good of a system of morality is that likely to produce, especially once external challenges start making your life very difficult to live, even up to the point you might be tempted to harm someone else? . I think one of the major problems facing humanity in developed countries today is we've forgotten how bad the law of survival is since we've developed so much wealth and therefore have the ability to fund social support systems that keep it at bay. Even "the poor" in the USA (for one example), generally are not starving out in the wilderness. If you take away the abundance produced by modern economies, "just live their lives" quickly gives way to "the strongest will survive" if one only owes allegiance to oneself.
-*-This is a really bad apologetics video, it doesn't answer why God creates people that God knows will reject him. Is he forced to create all humans even the ones that go to hell. if not why not create only those who go to heaven? Free will is not a solution because in heaven we will have free will and there will be no sin please help.
True, God knew everythin. The question is was God responsible for Judas's betrayal? God knew but that does not mean God is responsible for our actions.
God knows the outcome but Judas didn't. He thought about what was done in darkness no one knows. Until he dips his hand into that bowl. Men prefer darkness because their deeds are evil.
God would not be loving if He did not create those who would reject him. There would be no freedom of choice, if only those who would choose him were created. That's the same as creating people without the ability to defy Him. The importance of such freedom, is that with our choice, we testify to the universe that God is love, and that we choose him, because we love him.
Why not he not create the people who would sin? It does not violate free will since the people who would be created would have followed God either way. Or better yet, how about just create the people who would eventually follow him? How about that? Can still have sin, Jesus sacrifice, etc, except everyone who God knew was going to heaven goes to heaven, the people God knew would go to hell would just not exist. Simple as that.
Before creation, there was only God and God was perfect, so perfection was all that existed. Then God began creation knowing full well that it would result not only in imperfection, but eternal suffering for most. Some plan, huh?
The questions you should ask are why he would create the devil knowing what was going to happen? And how can an all loving being even come up with the concept of hell? Do angels have free will? If not, then how was the devil able to sin? And since he knew God was real and still rejected him, why can't god show himself to every single person, then he could truly say they rejected him, not just the mere thought (and yet completely unprovable) thought of him?
Common Sense Crusader Yes angels have free will. If not then he who became Satan could not have chosen and executed his choice. If God showed Himself to every human, that doesn't guarantee that they would accept Him. Remember the devil and his angels were in the very presence of God with nothing but His love, peace, and marvelous majesty reflecting in them and all of creation and they still turned on him.
@douglas acebedo God only allowed (not made) evil so that there could truly be a choice for all beings in how they live (which not only affects themselves but all creation around them) and whether or not to be in a WILLING relationship with him. It is not God's will for any human to perish (eternally) because of sin but as we see written in the bible, there WILL be those who resists his will of love, mercy and forgiveness all the way unto their eternal damnation. God made no one evil, he allowed creation to pan out the way it has to 1. show that every created being has had free will during their existence. 2. what really resides within their heart, a result of free will. 3. to show that none of their ills or the ills of the world can truly be blamed on Him because he makes a way for everyone to be forgiven of sins and to change, yet there will be many who will continue on in their ways of willful rebellion. And for the record I respect your opinion, for I have felt that way at certain times in my life. I no longer do, even tho the devil is always there lurking in the shadows with that notion. Peace fam.
I've thought the same thing too. It's all about just having faith to believe. Man has told many stores over and over again through the centuries, what is really true?
Frank actually has a video where he responds to this question. If God does show himself or gives us some kind of undeniable proof, to the point where people can't deny him anymore. It's the same as forcing people to believe, and that conflicts with the free will he gave us. He give us just enough evidence so people can accept or deny him without being forced.
He does show himself and he speaks to us as well.When a parent talks to a child they use their native language and the child can learn it.God is a Spirit he reveals himself to our Spirit.If we want him to speak another language to us how will we ever grow and learn his ways.Dont speak to a child with goo goo ga ga.Speak the way you would regularly and they will learn your way of communicating.
There are so many non believers in my life who have done positive things for me that if I hadn’t known them it would drastically change my life. The opportunity is there for everyone to believe and we as Christians have a great role in helping those people. Christ is there for us too.
I think from the moment I was born I was a sinner, but the thing that was beautiful to me was that through all the terrible things that I have done, god was forgiving and guided me and helped me In ways in my life. He created me bc he loved me despite my faults . Again, the perfection of love.
Wow Robin Sterling I feel so sorry for you. For myself, I gave birth to three beautiful , perfect and sinless children. I can’t imagine what mental acrobatics you need to go through to believe that your new born child has already sinned and needs to spend the rest of their lives asking to be forgiven. I was not raised in a religious home and as such I find your reasoning so offensive. If a god gave me free will why would he care if I chose not to worship him. It sounds so much like an abusive man asking his wife why she makes him hit her. Free will means just that. He created us and he will love us equally whether we love him or not. For me, even if I found out that god existed I would chose not to worship. I would have to acknowledge it but I would not worship and by his premise he should be just fine by that.
@bandu. If we're "born a sinner" then this so called creator created us that way. If he's all-powerful he could change it so we're not born that way and no one goes to "hell". Instead, he's contrived a plan where (it is claimed) we have free will ... but it's _conditional_ free will- we have to love him or else we suffer in hell for eternity. That's narcissistic and depraved.
I heard someone compare all-knowing to like watching a football game you recorded for later but through the time you get home, someone told you the ball score. Yet you watch the game anyway. Do they fight very hard, both sides the winner & the loser? They don't know the outcome only you do.
I applaud this lady for the patience and courtesy with which she receives the answer. The issue is that this answer does not address the question. To say that god created everybody with the freedom to choose to love him is tantamount to putting lipstick on a pig. Are you then saying that god nonetheless decided to create Judas just in case it happens in future that Judas eventually decides to love him? No, of course not! The fact is this: a truly omniscient god will know in advance that, even though he plans to create Judas with freedom of will to choose to love him, Judas will eventually choose not to love him. So we thus circle back to the question: why create people who you know for an absolute fact will use their freedom of choice to choose not to love you? There is no logical answer to this question.
@@kevinruggerio1796 that's not what he saying. He saying that God has given man the ability to choose him or Eternal separation from him in hell. You would think that man would choose him, right? Nope. The truth is, the creator of reality does not offer you any explanation. He is giving you life and Consciousness, love, the ability to feel, Etc. If you don't like that, why don't you end your Consciousness. If you're not grateful for what he is giving you and you do not want to follow him, you will pay the price. It's as simple as that. Why should an all-knowing all-powerful being have to hearken unto you, and amoeba in his sight? I wouldn't expect him to, and if I was God truthfully I would have cast everybody in the hell long ago. He sees every evil thing that goes on everywhere for the last several thousand years. Be grateful he hasn't already damn you to hell, today is the day you should choose Christ over hell.
@@gtabraham3454 That's his first mistake there is no Eternal damnation. When you die you are dead you know nothing Word for word out of the Bible..but you have a choice , To live And be a part of this (system of things) and have a short life? or live in the new Earth forever? (The New Garden of Eden) no sickness no death no Satan?
Hi DK11. Shalom. To give man the right to choose . God knew they would make the wrong choice in obeying the devil who didn't create them, and made provision to reconcile man through a promised Saviour before the foundation of the world in the person of Jesus Christ.Genesis 2:16-17; 3:1-6, 15 Matthew 1:18-25; Galatians 4:4-5; Ephesians 1: 3-14. God bless.
Why did your parents chose to have you even though they knew that they were bringing you to a world full of evil and suffering? And that also by having you there was chance that you would disobey them?
Although God is perfect, still God can make imperfect decisions. That is why God regretted making humans on earth in Genesis 6 verse 6 although he can foresee everything. There are certain things in the Bible that doesn't make any sense. I exposed this in my video on Joab and David.
Because our God is an awesome God, would you rather be pre-programed like a robot? What's the point? That means its going to be fake love and God doesn't want to spend eternity with love robots pre programed, No, he wants the real Love of his freewill free thinking, intelligent, individuals because love is a choice. What an awesome God.
@@AlexGarcia-lp6mb God wanted people to follow him. Unfortunately, they didn't and God regretted making human beings in Genesis 6 verses 6. God can make mistakes too although he can foresee everything. For example, It was God who wanted to make Saul as the King despite the fact Saul had difference of opinion about it (1 Samuel 9). After placing Saul as King, Saul gradually began to disobey God. God admits that He regretted placing Saul as the King in 1 Samuel 15.
@@AlexGarcia-lp6mb will we be capable of sinning in the new Jerusalem? Some say no, because Satan will have no power anymore. Why did God created the world before Satan lost his power to make us sin? Im not saying real love is the pre programmed one, im saying, why create a world knowing Satan will make the majority go to an eternal suffer and pain? Wasnt God capable of create humans without the existence of Satan? Is it impossible to God to create a being that cant sin?
@Aubrey Shatner god does know all things before they happen but God uses bad things to our advantage. Meaning he brings good from a bad situation. The bible is another good thing to use in arguments. Thank you for providing scripture verses to help and aid people. Check out the video why doesn't God stop rape. If anyone disagrees with this that is ok please don't comment if you disagree. Treat others as you would like to be treated.
@@lazarpetrovic1671 It helped save us from the great depression Also remember there is free will God doesn't make robots but because of Adam and Eves disobedience we are all paying the price
@@CreativeVoiceLine Before god created you, he knows the outcome of your entire life(your every thought and move). Therefore, it's rather pointless creating someone in the first place. He creates someome he knows is going to hell in the end. He technically created someone that he chose to send to hell. Doesn't make much sense does it.
@@Android-ds9ie yes and no. Your statement makes God seem like He is okay with evil which He isnt. He created only the possibility of evil with giving us free will yet not evil itself. That contradicts His very nature. And yes the wicked will still point to His omnipresence, and power. So the wicker too will bow down but God doesnt want people going to hell though He allows it
@@jimross4574 yes. He knows the outcome but doesn't mean He chose them. Your comment removes human responsbility because its easier to blame God. A parent can see the path a a child heading down on based on their actions. They can warn but a child must listen. Adults have been warn on the paths they are heading down on. But they must be given responsibilities for not heeding that warning
This has been one of my biggest dilemmas as a Christian. How do you reconcile free will with God's omniscience nature? If God already knows every step I will take before I take them, every decision or choice I will make in life before I make them, then am I really exercising free will? Or am I simply following a path that has already been pre-ordained for me. Which is it?
@@laugustamno you don’t, if you had my life you would just be me. Do you really think god would be willing to be destined to be an evil person just because a god wanted to be worshiped?
@@TalpaTulpa your comment is a little confusing but I think you mean to say that if God has created evil which he hasn't. Evil is the absence of good. Can He be good because even though He knew His creatures including supernatural ones would potentially become evil, He still went ahead and created them? Yes, because He also knew the many who would still do good and would choose to follow His will. Just as a conscious human chooses to have a child and love them despite the fact that they can and will hurt them. Yet, they go ahead hoping that they will love them and choose to have a relationship with them throughout their lives, and that they will make the right choices in life.
-**This is a really bad apologetics video, it doesn't answer why God creates people that God knows will reject him. Is he forced to create all humans even the ones that go to hell. if not why not create only those who go to heaven? Free will is not a solution because in heaven we will have free will and there will be no sin please help.
@@fernandounda3681 to be fair I understand your argument. But love has to be freely given, I'm assuming that God wants us to have a genuine choice to love him or not. I think the best example is when parents have children they hope that their children will love them back, which is not always the case. You hope your children will be kind and loving. Love must be freely given or it isn't really true love. God graciously grants us a choice, but warns us that we will be punished if we do not believe on his Son, Jesus Christ. The problem we have is we cannot know the mind of God. He could have made the universe any way he wanted, and this is his choice he made and we must accept that. My advise is to trust in God the Father, as he is perfect despite not understanding why he does what he does!!
@@friendyadvice2238 .-you arent`getting the problem Lets put ourselves in God's shoes, as best as we can. if you know that if you have sex your wife will get pregnant , and the doctor says that if you have sex he know with 100% certanty that the baby will come out without legs, and KNOWING that the baby will come out without legs, would you choose to have sex, knowing that your child will suffer all his life. If you say yes you are horrible parent. This is a better illustration,.
@@fernandounda3681 to be fair it is a good point and I honestly don't know why God has chosen to do things this way. But in the end, I trust him. Another question is "why is there a hell and why are people going there"? .... again I don't know. But God is infinitely more wise, powerful and loving than me so I trust his decision, even though I don't understand it!!! I accept Jesus, his Son and put my trust in him. But your questions do have merit, but none of us will know the answers in this life.
God gave us free will I believe god gave us a chance to stop sin and worship god to prove ourselves that we are capable of stopping evil with god within ourselves
colin noble: That which you say here, colin, if it is indeed correct, which I am unsure of, would then mean, if you and Einstein are correct, would also bring forth elements of our following after the ways of a 6-year-old would too become beneficial to mankind, would it not? There is a reality to both these thoughts, but only due to the fact there is little of maliciousness in the mind and heart of the child. Again, IF Einstein did say these words, then in this statement he is unworthy of being among those men of the Earth, who is said to be truly intelligent! There is very little such an age can give to adult mankind other than our desire to have his hopefully gentility, and desire for the very best of his friends and family members. True depth of purpose and understanding of truth, does not come in the early years of a child's growth, but as a man ages, this is when true understanding and literal brilliance appears, so long as it is owned of modesty and a desire to learn more unto the dissolving of all mankind's hatred and variance among us. Yahushua Messiah showed us over a period of 3.5 years, that which few have shown over their whole lives, and this is the reason why there is no getting away from the truth of His life! HE IS THE TRUE MESSIAH OF THE EARTH! There are many skeptics concerning this, but the number in Billions shows us there is little we who doubt have to place true doubts upon. There is one grievous trouble with man as s/he ages: Often, we get hardened in our previous choices, because there are becoming fewer and fewer thinking men and women among us! Today, we have GANGS upon the earth, of those who do as they desire, and by so doing, they feel as in the past, they become gods, even as great men of old have been so described! Among the great men of old however, THERE IS NONE LIKE YAHUSHUA OF NAZARETH, and there will be a time not very long from this hour, when the earth will shake with the sound of His Voice, as He descends from the higher realms above us, and we will be either among those who will meet Him in the air, and so shall we ever be with our Master, and ALL THE REST WHO WILL NOT APPEAR IN THE AIR WITH HIM, will be destroyed by the brightness of His coming [2Thessalonians 2: 8, KJV]. This will be the great separation, when those who have had a lifetime to learn the truth of the ages, will realize, they have given their time over into the hands of their own spiritual destroyer, and filled our time up, with things that pander unto the Earth, which at that time, would have been all but completely destroyed by the 7 Trumpets and the 7 Vials of the Book of Revelation! Again, I note for all to see, the words of the prophet Hosea: "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy Elohim, I will also forget thy children" (Hosea 4: 6, KJV).
colin noble: Without guns, we are sitting ducks, colin! Although we do not hear the truth of the Founding Fathers when they set down the Constitution of the United States of America, the Second Amendment was for the strict purpose of ensuring the Government does not desire to use the force of arms, to change the Republic to that which expunges the Name of God from the lives of all, and thus too, the trajectory of the Country will continue in a different direction than initially envisioned. In Scripture, the Saviour Yahushua HaMashiach spoke to the need for a sword, and I feel assured having more than one, would not have been frowned upon especially with the proximity of the pagan Romans to the Jews who had not strayed from the beauty of the Sacred Scriptures. THERE IS COMING, COLIN, and very soon - sooner than most people approximate - a total rearrangement to the former beauty of these United States, and the change will be instituted by the Vatican, for we are quite near to going back to the days when SUNDAY: pagan Rome was built upon pagan Sun worship, and Mithraism, and during the early 4th Century, under the family of Constantine especially in the 4th century, changed much about the way the True Elohim was looked up to in the Roman Kingdom. It is likely over the next 5 years by the speed of things occurring right now, Francis 1 will bring forth a Papal Bull which shall place starting with the United States, then moving all across Europe, and throughout the world, Sunday as a holiday for the Whole World. When this becomes law, then most will learn, they have been moved by force, from a free worship of he Creator God, to the Papacy. By that time, much of that which is being planned now, would have been finished, such that the Pope of Rome, shall settle into the Third Temple in Jerusalem, and then, the words of Paul will be understood by all: "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, EXCEPT THERE COME A FALLING AWAY FIRST, AND THAT MAN OF SIN BE REVEALED, THE SON OF PERDITION; 4: Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped; so that he as God SITS IN THE TEMPLE OF GOD, SHEWING HIMSELF THAT HE IS GOD. 5: Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6: And now ye know what withholds that he might be revealed in his time. 7: For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now lets will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8: And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming [i.e. Yahushua's Second Coming]: 9: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders [Meaning there will be a great happening masterminded by Haylale the devil, having to do with the Third Temple in Jerusalem in these last days of the earth's history! We are so close to this happening it is but a hairs-breath away], 10: And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11: And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie [They who have not the proper spiritual understanding, will choose another Saviour, thus losing their eternal souls!]: 12: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness" (2Thessalonians 2: 3 - 12, KJV, emphasis, Name changes, and inserts in brackets, mine). Shalom!
colin noble: You do not understand, my friend: I fear nothing, as I am not of this world, but am called to be always lovingly and conducive to those who are real. I do not mean I am an alien, but am intimately involved in literally doing good to all who seek to know the beauty of truth as it is in Messiah Yahushua. Unless I continue with certain people, I cannot always ascertain whether or not they are real people, among whom I have found those who do indeed seek after the truth as it really is; those who are very troubled; those who have already set the date for leaving the world behind, for sheer anxiety and woe constantly adding up, and they know not Messiah. Those of any these sorts, and everyone other than those being paid to troll and dissuade people who need help, are worthy of my spending time with to see of which sort they are, and take it from there. That's what selflessness is all about, colin, and sadly today, few have what it takes. Thanks for taking the time to chat and be friendly.
God - "I love you all, but if you cross me you'll burn in hell for eternity".. That isn't love, that's a dominating threat he holds over everyone... What a petty, narcistic, control freak he must be.
Who is responsible for the choice someone self makes.? God or.... self. They want to have freedom to make own dissisions.... and than blame God for the outcome.
Considering the fact that we live in a physical world where all the available choices we can make are determined by our enviornment, then you can certainly blame God. He created the enviornment from which you base and carry out your choices, thus people cannot be held accountable for their choices because they didn't choose their enviornments. If we could freely choose our enviornments(or worlds), we would not make poor choices because we would create enviornments free from the objects, people, or ideas that are necessary to make bad choices. This leaves one possibility: God is not testing us. We are told it's a test and that we will be rewarded, but in reality, God finds it amusing to make us suffer. It is no different than any other abusive parent, spouse, friend, etc..
I recommend reading the book, “The Sovereignty Of God” by A.W. Pink. He thoroughly discusses this issue. Along reading this and other books, I understood (as best I could) how Luther and Calvin explained free will (or lack there of) and biblical predestination. A short little RU-vid doesn’t really do justice to this topic because of course we are talking about GOD (the UNREACHABLE by our ANY of our own efforts). But even after grappling with infralapsarianism and supralapsarianism (and their variations), one should quickly realize that man will never totally figure out GOD otherwise He wouldn’t be GOD, right? The important thing to remember is that the GOD of Abraham is the only TRUE GOD and the only One who is the one and only GOOD. He is outside of all time and dimensions. We do best if we ponder the verse in Deuteronomy 29:29 “The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things that are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do the words of this law.”
Sheep Dog Actually I totally agree with you about Romans 9. A thorough reading it without preconceived notions make it crystal clear. Indeed, GOD would have been perfectly just to have created Adam and Eve, allowed them to sin, and then immediately cast them into hell for all eternity. But I wrote what I said because people (including myself) are naturally lazy and wicked and want short quick answers. My role in life is simply to encourage to know the biblical Jesus and follow Him. If they want to dig deeper in the scriptures and know more about the riches of His Love, Grace, and Justice, then all the better. At a minimum everyone begins as babes in Christ drinking milk and in time should eat solid food (1 Corinthians 3:2 and elsewhere in the NT). In any case, the crux as to why God elected some to be with Him in eternity (and damned others) is found in Roman 9:23. Perhaps you aware of this quote from Jonathan Edwards (one heavy duty theologian): “The view of the misery of the damned will double the ardour of the love and gratitude of the saints of heaven.”
Reality check: Even in spite of your "supralapsarianism," I thank you for the splendid understanding coming forth from a man of Yahuwah Elohim, who knows the wonder and majesty of Him Who sits upon the Throne, and His Only Begotten Son, Yahushua, Who came to this Earth as Yahushua HaMashiach, thus He told the Earth: Yahuwah Is Salvation, and I AM His Messiah! There is none such as is the Father and the Son, as even the subtle lies of Matthew 28: 19, added unto the Scriptural parchments over the years, have been proven wrong, because the WICKED cannot see that which the Righteous are able to see, and thus cannot be above the works of Him Who will be what He will be! John was chosen to deflate those words, by these: “Who is a liar but he that denies that Yahushua is the Messiah? He is antichrist, that denies the Father and the Son. 23: Whosoever denies the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledges the Son hath the Father also. 24: Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father” (1John 2: 22 - 24, KJV, Name changes & verbal modernization mine); “And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world” (1John 4: 14, KJV). It is good to realize as well, throughout Acts, none baptized in the Names of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost/Spirit. All baptized in disobedience to Messiah's words of Matthew 28: 19, in baptizing in the Name of Yahushua Messiah. The truth shall set us free, dear brother, and the TRUTH will appear before the Son appears in the sky, at His Second Coming, and as the words of Paul in 2Thessalonians 2: 8 tells us, at THAT SAME TIME, the Wicked shall all be destroyed by the power of Messiah appearing! Rapture does not occur, without the Wicked being destroyed all at the same time! HalleluYah!
Reality Check, think of a man, a mere human, who has ten children. He chooses to put eight in one cage and two in another cage, side by side. He lavishes two with love and tortures the other eight. When the eight object, he tells them that their misery makes the other two more appreciative of his love and care. We all have a sense of right and wrong(morals), I believe, and it's not culturally derived, but given by God. Any sensible man would have a problem with an individual who would do such a thing, and certainly question why our sovereign, God, who is love, would do the same. God does not object to our struggles and questions, as the Bible says. I understand, fully, why an atheist or any other human being or devout Christian would have questions about these issues. I trust you do as well.
The girl who asked the question doesn't seem to be satisfied with his answer. He diverted his answer to avoid being trap by the truth that he doesn't know the answer at all. He is just pretending to be knowledgeable wherein it would be easier just to say he don't know the answer.
He mentions at the very end that God is the objective moral standard. This means that we may not know why it is good. But since God is the standard of morality, and that God is only good. We can know "that it is good," although we may not fully understand "why it is good." That's the real answer. Though this can be unsatisfying answer for those who wish they had all the knowledge. This answer simply looks at the foundation.
You are correct, Christian Santos. In addition, I believe Frank Turek is simply a fast-talking con artist. People like him are pathetic; they just make up stuff as they go along. What really bothers me about Turek is that on more than one occasion, he was telling people what “god” thinks and what “god” wants. The truth is, Turek does not know what the person standing behind him in line at a store is thinking, let alone know what a so-called supernatural being is thinking. Moreover, believing in “god” is ridiculous because no one has ever shown that this invisible, cartoon character in the sky actually exists. At the end of the day, Frank Turek is nothing more than a clown!
So, Turek is saying that his god created humanity in such a way that everyone is designed to fail him. The only way out of this trap is to love him, or you go to hell, because he loves everyone. Sounds just like the psychology of domestic violence to me.
@@oscardavid791 I watched a film about a time traveler he went back in time to kill hitler when he was young. When he got to baby hitler he couldn’t kill the baby !!!!! It’s not the same situation nothing is! But why didn’t he just kill hitler? Maybe we’re all connected and changing one thing changes everything! Maybe my fathers fathers fathers was a sinful man and eliminating him would ultimately eliminate me ! It’s good to explore all possibilities 👍🏾 👍🏾
If we had two people: person-A never sinned, & helped thousands of people, & was the most beautiful person you ever met, but didn’t believe in God, would they go to hell? & person B: committed horrific crimes all their life, & then moments before their death, confessed their sins & believed in God, would they go to heaven?
It is impossible to do so much good without doing so much bad, and like versa! Remember Ted Bundy, the serial killer? He used worked for a suicide prevention hotline and helped dozens of people from killing themselves. In 1970, Ted Bundy also rescued a 3-year old child that fell in Seattle's Green lake. Hate is born to protect love!
My mother told me when I was very young that to question gods reasoning is the same as questioning why the branch in the tree that you are sitting in is keeping you from falling. Instead of asking why am I not falling just be grateful that you’re not.
No, that's poor logic on your mother's part. The Branch is defined by a set of constant physics and has no mind of it's own. God is supposed to be an "All-knowing" who apparently defines right and wrong (and yet somehow created us, humans, who can't seem to fully agree on what is right and what is wrong). If you believed God told you to jump off a bridge, should you not question it? There was a woman a few years ago who was sure that God had told her to kill her son and she did. No, question yourself and others before you do anything, even if you think God is telling you.
@@names_are_useless God would never tell someone to kill their child. Only the enemy would do that posing as god. You didn’t know my mother so don’t say her logic was poor. She was the most intelligent person I’ve ever known. I never question god but I question humanity constantly especially now. I have no faith in mankind or his physics but ya see god makes the sun rise and set everyday for us. Not man, you can have faith in his Science all you want to but I have faith in his word.
@Tony Tony oh and please give me the Bible verse of where it said that god told someone to kill another person. Abraham doesn’t count because god stopped Abraham from killing his son.
@Tony Tony I definitely have but I’m probably much better at reading then you are because there’s no where in the Bible that specifically says that god told someone to kill anyone. Now I do know that god himself killed many people but there’s no where in the Bible that specifically says that god told anyone to kill someone. You can’t give me a verse in the Bible that says that because either you can’t read or you know that I’m right.
Here is one answer: Aquinas argues that the answer to this question lies in God’s goodness and love. Aquinas notes that love and goodness are things that tend to spread themselves, so love provides a possible reason for why God would want to create. As infinite love, God most likely created to spread His goodness and love. If God did not create, how could anything have any idea of God's omnibenevolence? If God wants to create to spread His love, there are several implications for what He will create. For one, this purpose entails that God will create beings with intellects and wills. If God did not create beings with intellects, there would be no one to know Him. If God did not create beings with free will, there would be no one to freely choose and love Him. Moreover, if God wants His creatures to love Him, He must also create the world in a way so it communicates His divine attributes. Narcissism necessitates that someone has an unhealthy, unrealistic, egocentric view of himself or herself, and he or she undeservedly wants praise. Is it egocentric for God to create to spread love, moreover, His perfect love? Is it wrong for God to desire for His creatures to glorify Him because of the love He showed for them first? God is the perfect, all-knowing, all-powerful source of all life in the universe, and as creator, God deserves glory, praise, and love. God created the world for His glory in that He created the world for the purpose that humanity knows and loves Him. But best of all, His great love led Him to create a world sustainable for all the creatures that He created.
This is by far one of the most intelligent and awesome answer I've heard to this question my friend. Surely the holy spirit, indeed the Father Himself, has revealed this to you.. I will use this myself thank you and God bless
@@Mr.H-YT42 yes we know this would be the case cuz even aside from our salvation story only a third of the Angels fell with the rest maintaining their heavenly estate. They freely chose not to listen to Satan and so remain in peace and covenant with God. for they looked at God and all His glory and choose to worship him. we run that race while we're down here and when we see him we will choose to continue to truly worship him as he wipes every tear and takes away every pain because we ran that race just like the angelic host that are up there chose to remain we who remain in Christ will have the same reward, freely worshiping Him and experiencing his goodness
there is no god you are delusional and so is any other retard that claims there. You invent your own god as you conveniently guess what Gods will is to support your own delusion.
@@margaretbarrett6087 Christ died for 'screwing up'. Those sins are forgiven. "My dear children, I am writing this to you so that you will not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate who pleads our case before the Father. He is Jesus Christ, the one who is truly righteous. He himself is the sacrifice that atones for our sins-and not only our sins but the sins of all the world." (1 John 2:1-2) The one sin that is unforgivable is to reject and rebel against the authority of God and his chosen one, Jesus the Messiah. Those who choose that course will spend eternity where they want, away from the light and love of God in the outer darkness. (Matthew 22:13; John 3:16-18)
@@margaretbarrett6087 He created all beings, including men. Those beings are given choice . Some choose evil. We are responsible for our own actions. In God, there is only light and love and good. Every person has a conscience calling them toward the light and the good. How we respond to it is by our own choices. (Romans 2:14-15) Through Jesus the Messiah, God has removed the penalty for evil acts, if people will turn and seek him. (Ezekiel 18:23, 32) If they reject his love and decide to go their own way, then they will spend eternity separated from him and his light. This life is short and its works are temporary. But eternity awaits and where we spend it is by our own choice, in the light or in the outer darkness.
Stephen Bailey If your god is the source of EVERYTHING, then he is the source of evil, and his evil nature is well documented in the bible (which should be renamed ‘God’s Guide to Genocide’), so if some choose evil, they are certainly behaving in the image of their barbaric, bloodthirsty creator.
Exactly, he never gave justice to any question thrown at him. I was tying to see if there's any reasonable person here but its a pity that the people here are bunch of morons.
@@jeffreyagu2221 no one absouletely, no one can answer this question, everyone who may claim they know, either deflect or use standard techniques of BS. Ever since I was self conscious and aware of my religion, this question has been always nagging. Free will cannot under such conditions, it is impossible, now unless the very foundations of every fundamental we know has different meanings. I just do not know how this question can ever be answered.
@@jesthomas2199 This is my opinion. And how I understand it. Like for me I really love kids and and want to have at least 5 kids😁 when the time comes. But I also know that there's a chance that some or all of these kids may come to disobey me and cause me a lot of distress. But I love kids so much that that doesn't discourage me from having them because I know that I will give them my utmost love and care and try to raise them in the best way possible. Also another thing, I believe in heaven and hell. So in having kids, there's a chance that some or even all of them may end up in hell. But am not going to refuse to have kids just because I fear that some of them may go to hell because once again I know that I'll do my best to raise my kids in the best way possible and teach them the ways of the Lord. And this I believe is what God did. He loves us so much and when He created us we were perfect and good but just because there would be some people who would disobey Him didn't deter Him from creating us because He knew He would show all of them His Utmost Love and teach them about Himself and how to live properly and it would be their choice to obey or disobey.
Explore Kenya doesn’t make sense though because your NOT GOD and not all knowing. Her question was, how can an ALL Knowjng God create someone He knows will ultimately disobey him and go to hell.
that doesnt remove the fact that he still made them knowing they will go to hell, saying that humans has the choice over gods choice is a joke. there are many parts of the bible that actually do Highlight this and it definitely conflicts free will, but all the religious people ignore it.
We ask the same handful of questions because they still need to be honestly addressed. Why the god of the Bible makes us free, if he then prescribes eternal punishment for not knowing him? That’s not freedom...
No one wants to accept consequences for doing anything bad, but most people are happy to accept consequences for doing anything good. A fundamental law of society is people that break the law have to pay consequences for their actions. It is possible people with mental disorders are incapable of understanding consequences, or some people may be sociopaths and are incapable of understanding the feelings of others, or some people may be psychopaths and are violent and unstable. Most understand choice and are drawn to pleasant rewards, but it's still a choice. In this case, the consequences are so great further investigation is highly recommended. If you take the time to try and PROVE beyond all doubt the Bible is a myth, you might be surprised at where the massive amount of evidence leads you. People have three choices. 1) Accept God and live in a perfect place for eternity without any suffering 2) Reject God and perish 3) Reject both choices and choose to believe there is no choice
What an excellent video to demonstrate what heresy is. Passing this channel. No one comes to Jesus unless the Father draws them close. He predestined those for salvation before the foundation of the earth. You see we are not saved by what we will but by what He wills.
None of us knows or even understands this. And, it IS PAINFULLY BOTHERING to not know or understand this. I wish more believers would be TRULY HONEST...
Before earth there was a heaven right?? Heaven was supposed to be perfect and without sin however Lucifer sinned against God then 2/3rds of heavens angels followed along with Lucifer.. So the creation of heaven and the angels we're already full of sin before earth was created or shortly after.. My point is Angels and heaven were created imperfect also with free will..
@@markanthony3275 Well, it would be an easy way to explain the souls of children who die before the age of accountability and go straight to Heaven. There must have been billions upon billions that fit into that category since the beginning of time.
i knew some of my customers will trick me and the payments. but still i open my shop and sales whatsoever. i am disappointed with bad customers, but the good ones make me happy. i think God feels that way. so let's follow Him and please Him.
Something to think about... allowing man to disobey allows God to demonstrate how vast his love, grace, and mercy is to... Angels and humans. How else would you grasp what type of God created all things. How would you know His character if you didn't fall short. Our love (character)is not measured by how we love those that are easy to love but rather how we are with difficult people. This is why Jesus said "what Profits you to speak to those who only speak to you"...sorry, but no credit for being nice to the nice. God demonstrated his love by sending his own son to die for our sins even when we were sinners, fornicators, adulterers, Liars etc. Now that's love
Mike A falling short is one thing when you’re forgiven but it’s the idea that you’re creating life you know full and well are going to suffer for eternity no matter what, regardless of how they get there. Yes he shows his love and grace but I personally don’t think you can call Him all-loving when this is possible. I really hope someone can find a better answer for me one day to clear things up cause this video proves you really can’t answer that question head on.
JADiaz10 Would perfer if God only created those who are obedient? If so, wouldn't that be showing favoritism? That's a wonderful God to still create those whom he knows will go there own way. In fact, he still provides for them regardless of what they choose to do. Let me ask you this, if someone were to kill you family in cold blood, would you allow them to go free? Or would you want them to face judgement for what they have done?
Mike A What you’re saying makes no sense. Showing favoritism? How does creating everyone obedient she that? If anything it’s favoritism by making those who are doomed to hell and those that aren’t. He’s literally done that already just look at Cain and Able. And He created those people to kill as you suggest so is it really “Justice” if they were determined to do such things to land themselves in Hell without having any influence before they were born? Does Judas really deserve Hell if it was in God’s plan for him to “betray” Jesus and take his own life for that story to be told? That’s not justice in my eyes. I still have faith in the Gospel but these are fair questions to ask that I haven’t had a good answer too.
JADiaz10 you say you still believe in the Gospel and yet you can't except what God does? I'm sorry if you can't except what he does. That same gospel says "his ways are beyond finding out". Since God created all things he can do whatever he what according to his good pleasure and will and purpose. He has mercy on whom he chooses to show mercy to. He is completely just in everything he does. Understand, there are things you will never understand about God. It's impossible for a finite being to fully understand and infinite being. Are you a follower of Christ? Another thing, is very sad to see that the Gospel is not enough for many. I don't need any questions answered to trust in God. If a person acknowledge that they are Center and that they need a savior and believe in Jesus Christ for their salvation. Christ is going to make all things new and those who believe and trust in him will have eternal life. The how, and who I leave up to God.
*-*This is a really bad apologetics video, it doesn't answer why God creates people that God knows will reject him. Is he forced to create all humans even the ones that go to hell. if not why not create only those who go to heaven? Free will is not a solution because in heaven we will have free will and there will be no sin please help.
@@fernandounda3681 While God is not forced to create people who will sin, He nevertheless loves them enough to respects their personal decisions regardless of where those decisions may lead them. We have to remember that God is not limited by the constraints of a linear flow of time, He exists outside of the flow of time, essentially seeing everything simultaneously, so to not create someone who would sin would be to essentially disrespect the choice which from His perspective they already made.
since God's creative will is free: "God is not obliged to create every individual" and if that is evidently true, no one forces God to create, God freely chooses to create those whom he wishes to create, he creates knowing that some condemn and others will be saved, God has a free decision not to create those who he knows will not accept him, and yet, God wants to create them even knowing that they will end up eternally in hell suffering torment, because that torment and suffering shows the glory of God , which is better than not creating them and not suffering from the fire that never goes out. Just as God did not wish to forgive the angels who sinned and did not offer them redemption, God decides who saves who he forgives and who makes suffer eternally, everything emanates from God. God did not forgive the angels who sinned, but cast them into hell and left them in darkness, chained and kept for judgment. 2 Peter 2:4@@sixthcairn
God did not creat Pharaoh and the Egyptians for the specific purpose of being destroyed. Rom 9:17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth." Even in that it was about serving God's purpose, He was chosen to serve. It was not about salvation at all. God raised Pharaoh up demonstate who God was; He did not raised him up so that he could be destroyed. It is important to understand the difference.
I see it like this , and this is just my opinion not gospel , Judas betrayed Jesus but felt remorse afterward, in fact he felt such remorse that he chose death rather than going on living , he returned the 30 pieces of silver before hanging himself , and yet that means he felt remorse AND he believed that Jesus was actually Who He said He was thus , there is a very good probability that Judas who would then be the ultimate sinner , is actually in heaven right now , because he met the two requirements many of us don't. he believed that Jesus was the Messiah and he showed remorse in which nobody can claim he was not sincere
@@travelsouthafrica5048Yes, Judas felt Remorse, but we all do wrong at times and feel guilty, but hanging himself upside down was not the right decision. Jesus already told the disciples that he'll rise on the third day, so if Judas believed in Jesus for who he is, then he must have waited for the third day and then could've asked forgiveness. Btw I do feel confused for the part Judas had to play, maybe it was his free will to betray Jesus or probably it was planned even before Judas was born. "The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him. But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born." Matt.26:24 So I don't think Judas is in Heaven right now.
@@arpansolomon7572 mmmmh NONE of Jesus's disciples knew He would rise on the third day , they were ALL surprised , so there was no way Judas would have known and from his point of view it was better to be dead and where does it say he hanged himself upside down ? I can only assume that you are thinking of Peter who asked to crucified upside down So back to the basics , Judas was sorry , otherwise he would not have committed suicide and he did believe in Jesus in the end otherwise he would not have said that he betrayed and innocent man , at that time he knew full well that only one man is truly innocent and that was the Messiah
The problem with this lady's uncle's Dilemmai is that he's approaching this supposed quagmire with human emotions. He is essentially saying how in the world can God create a human being, knowing he's going to hell because he sure wouldn't do that? The truth is that God gets glory by saving people and also by damning people. His amazing grace, his amazing justice! When you see it through God's eyes, who is completely perfect. Love, mercy, and justice, it makes sense!
Why do parents create children that turn against them in disobedience ? It's the same question really. And it gets the same answer,. They do it for the possibility that their children would willingly choose to come to them ...and obey...freely returning the love the parents gave them .
-*-This is a really bad apologetics video, it doesn't answer why God creates people that God knows will reject him. Is he forced to create all humans even the ones that go to hell. if not why not create only those who go to heaven? Free will is not a solution because in heaven we will have free will and there will be no sin please help.
I have listened to Frank's excuses for the barbaric Hebrew god Yahweh long enough to know that he has created a mental prison for himself from which he tries to attract others to join him. So sad.
dude he answered it youre just so low iq you dont get it lololol u want God to make us robots ????? no we have free will hahahahahahahahahahahah. dude come on youre low intelligence is showing
ANGRYGREEKMANYO he definitely did not answer it. He answered the question 'why didn't God force everyone to love him'. The question was actually 'why did God create humans in the full knowledge that many would suffer for eternity in the hell he created'.
Correction!! I detest when people say that. We are not free. If we were free it would not be sin. We are free to choose but are punished if your choice does not align with Gods expectation thus we are not free. Show me the book chapter verse that says we are free.
Man he didn't even answer the question. She asked if God knows some of us would sin, why make us? Why not only make those who even if they sin, confess and are saved? I want them to have the best paradise forever but I don't think a sinner like me has a right to exist. If I could I would peacefully enter oblivion forever. He simply states, "a world where everyone doesn't sin might not be a free world". Who cares? I hate my free will and with my free will I don't want it. I would rather descend into an animal like state than be human and suffer forever.
If God knew from the moment a person was born that the person will go to hell, then the person will surely go to hell because God knew it. That person can never go to heaven because God is 100% correct. In that situation, where's the Love of God to his sons, why God still created that child, why God created a soul that he knew will suffer forever?
This man knows how to navigate some tricky questions! I'm bringing on his videos and videos from Living Waters. I'm planning on going into ministry (eventually)--so I'm watching the masters at work to learn how to properly answer these kinds of questions.
-*-This is a really bad apologetics video, it doesn't answer why God creates people that God knows will reject him. Is he forced to create all humans even the ones that go to hell. if not why not create only those who go to heaven? Free will is not a solution because in heaven we will have free will and there will be no sin please help.
Our goal is to save. Almost like He's nudging us to try in what could be a few seconds opportunity. We say what comes to mind and leave the rest to Him. He'll usually put someone else in their path. I've found, He's rather fond of the bombardment approach. You turn, there He is, you turn, there He is and so on.
@Bob Smith no argument. Just curious why you might believe that? Well before you answer. Do you consider yourself a born-again Holy Spirit filled Christian? Asking to gage your world perspective.
@Bob Smith As I consider your comment, I would reason that you are not a Christian. The walk of a born-again Holy Spirit filled Christian is supernatural faith that matures in spiritual knowledge and knowings that God is absolute truth. This walk is only possible when we receive the knowing of truth that this Bible is not merely a book, but the supernatural revelatory Living Word of the Creator. Although scribed at the hand of men, it was written by God. To the natural earth minded, it is merely a book of literature written by men with questionable credibility. It is foolishness through the eyes of the carnal mind. Because they're living with corruption in their very being. The only solution is to be re-born in the Spirit through the paid ransom made available to mankind for the asking.
We would never know why God didn’t create us perfectly, we can only assume and come up with why God did it the way he did. My only answer would be if we were made to be perfect, there would be no love, no expression, no moral and we wouldn’t need God at all and there would be no reason for God to exist. This might not make sense but that’s my best assumption.
Jason, I am blessed in knowing even without this knowledge on your part, you walk in the footsteps of Messiah (see 1Peter 2: 21, 22, KJV), and are blessed in your knowledge of Him! Those who are given free will and too, lawfulness as the Way of eternal living, love even greater than those given eternal life, without free will, as having free will assures the trust of the Creator in you, that you will always make the right choices in eternal life, as you are a loving slave unto the ways of lawfulness and agapé love/selflessness! With free will, your own understanding of the best ways for all things to work for the best, is assured. We choose not to defend ourselves if we are threatened with death if we remain believers in The Way, so even as Yahushua chose to die AS US, that we might live eternally, we too will if we must, because of the reason - we refuse to become infidels - because we love that life that is eternal, and are not afraid to lose this life, because we are promised by the Law Giver, another which is eternal and sinless! We may indeed fight for the right in this world, as we must choose to protect the innocent, and fight if we must, to defend ourselves, but when our beliefs in the Master Yahushua HaMashiach or in the Everlasting Gospel, and the Way of Selfless Love are questioned, we must in great faith, lay down our arms, and place ourselves into the Hands of the Living Yahuwah Elohim! This is the fiery trial spoken of in 1Peter 4: 12 - 14, and I will be frank with all: Very soon, dear ones of the Father in the Son, we shall be as Isaiah speaks "in the munitions of rocks where our bread and water will be sure" (Isaiah 33: 16, KJV), and even there, as were the saints of old en masse, drawn and quartered for their faith, and as Messiah spoke, we too shall speak who have been chosen to go through this fiery trial: Father Yahuwah, forgive them for they know not what they do! Oh, these shall know, but in their desires for filthy lucre, and believing Haylale is the savior, they have chosen another god, and a deceiver truly, and they shall share in his reward, which is eternal death! Let him who is able to receive it, receive it, for we live in the last days, and must prepare ourselves for all things which shall descend upon the earth, in whatever form they take, for they shall surely be the enemies of souls, if they are by number, and power, and agree with the majority of those who call themselves: christians! This has been prophesied, and thus 10 years ago, a church goer and a lover of the denomination I was affiliated with, I walked away, clearly hearing the words of Revelation 18: 1 - 20. Also, in Yahushua's Name, be able to receive this as well.
Jason Kim exactly and to create a human only to be perfect and follow due to being created to follow without free will would be making us mindless slaves! God loves us and gave us a choice!
