Why Did The Jedi Order HATE Revan after KOTOR...? 

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The Council wouldn't know the meaning of humble if it came out of hyperspace and ate their souls 💀

I love Jolee's quote about love, Revan proved the council was wrong about love by turning Bastilla back to the light. "Love doesn't lead to the dark side. Passion can lead to rage and fear, and can be controlled... but passion is not the same thing as love. Controlling your passions while being in love... that's what they should teach you to beware. But love, itself, will save you... not condemn you."

Of course the Jedi saw Revan as a heretic: He kept seeing through their dogmatism and proving their flawed beliefs wrong time and time again. Revan deserved a FAR better ending than the one he got.

Kreia: "He has brought truth, and you condemn it? The arrogance!"

They hated Revan (and Bastila to a lesser extent) for proving that love can actually save people from the dark side instead of pushing them towards it. Or at least that was part of it.

Because they were jealous they didn't get a hot toy and Revan did

For me, it's simple: the Jedi Masters were terrified. The Order, down to barely a hundred Jedi, was weaker than it had ever been. The decision to laud Revan and fully bring him back into the Order was a desperate attempt to control him. The Council knew that if another crisis occurred, they would need Revan's power and genius to survive. At worst, it appeased Revan and Bastila so that they'd toe the party line and not rebel. Revan, of course, knew all this, but he had no interest in reforming the Order or getting involved in their politics. He knew that he was the wrong man for that. More, remember what happened after Revan was captured. The Council had the power to heal his mind. Instead, they violated his mind and imprinted him with a new identity, loyal to them. Revan was sureiy a bit peeved after that. All of that rambling is to say that Revan and Bastila likely knew that the Order was doomed. There was no fixing it. This is why Atris had no knowledge of Bastila's hiding place, or Jolee, Juhani and Yuthura. They all refused to return to the Order, especially after Katarr. Bastila only popped out of hiding to use her Battle Meditation when the Sith fleet attacked Telos. Even then, she avoided meeting the Exile.

Carth: What are you doing? Revan: Making chocolate pudding. Carth: Why are you making chocolate pudding? Revan: Because I've lost control of my life.

Jedi Council when Revan enters the council chambers "Is this room echo-ey or is it just me?"

Monsters are humans created by humans and they used Revan like a monster to fight another one. The Order wiped his mind to keep him under control and likely keep their hands clean. In the end it didn't work, Revan was more than a traitor they believed him to be. Kriea herself later suggested that Revan choose to be a 'monster' to fight a greater threat that the Jedi failed to recognize/acknowledge. The Order got what it deserves in the end and deserves no sympathy. Hmm, future topics... Dart Bane?

Because the Jedi council knew Revan was right in fighting the mandalorians. But they were still traumatized by the Great Sith Wars. Have no doubt that if it weren't for Revan, the Republic would have fallen.

9:14 "They would mock his marriage" is just kinda a funny thought. Revan walking down the aisles of the temple as Jedi laugh at him, "haha you love your wife, fuckin loser"

because he was a hero, because he had friends, because he had love, but most importantly he wasn't their puppet, rather common issue with a jedi

And cue some 4000 years later and Revan looking at the Jedi of the old order who had passed on. Revan: "I believe this is the part where I say 'I told you so'".

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They hated him because they waited for the kotor remake and it never came out

It always blew my mind just how dogmatic the Jedi Council has been at numerous points in Galactic history. And every time, without fail, it led to their undoing.

He wasn't hated. Atris and a few other conservative Jedi hated him but the Padawans looked up to him.

The council was jealous asf that they weren’t as cool as Revan

Revan and Bastila Love story is better than Romeo and Juliet

"Twice the pride, double the fall" - Count Dooku Good riddance to the Order I say!

8:02 Anakin would be jealous, what's next is Revan going to get the high-ground.

This makes doing the Dark Side ending in the first game a lot easier, save for killing Jolee, Mission and Zalbaar. But I have ZERO sympathy for any of the Jedi Masters in the first and second game and they deserved their dark fates.

There’s a story to be told about Revan’s son and even grandchildren. How will the Jedi’s hatred of Revan affect his two grandchildren or how will the Republic treat his son(who went into politics) Saddens me that there’s still so much left untold from that era.

Did the Ancient Sith know about the Star Forge? I would absolutely love to hear your thoughts on this topic. Ajunta Pall alludes quite heavily to the treasure of the Ancient Sith from his era to be the Star Forge, but I have yet to see this referenced anywhere else. I don't believe anyone other than the Rakatta, Revan, and Malak had anything to do with the Star Forge, or even had any knowledge whatsoever about its existence, and yet Pall seems to state otherwise and the Star Map is located within Naga Sadow's tomb, which couldn't have been a coincidence. Continuity error? Plot thread left unresolved?

I would love to see a video going over the Knights of the Old Republic comics (not Tales of the Jedi)

Their teachings have resulted in absolute arrogance, and this has also become their undoing. That is why in the end the Sith always had the upper hand, for the Jedi never see beyond themselves. To answer your question about topic for a new video: I would REALLY like to see theory video about what do you think happened to Jolee Bindo. Why do you think he did not stay with the Jedi? Or why did not he help the Exile fight Nihilus? Do you think he died on Katarr?

Much like the Dwarves of Orzammar in Dragon Age, the Jedi Council was too set in their ways to realize that their archaic, stagnant nature was leading them to their downfall. Neither the Dwarves nor the Jedi Council were willing to see that things had to change or they were not going to survive. The Dwarves failed their people because they were suppressing the poor and not giving them the opportunity to better themselves, and restricting access and trade with the surface was only making problems worse. The Jedi Council failed so many Jedi because they kept preaching about suppressing emotions instead of finding healthy ways to work through them. The Jedi Council was also jealous and cautious of those who were extremely powerful and talented, meaning those who were not easily controlled.

Is there a more impact for force use revan basically reformed the jedi and through his holocron to Bane reformed the sith.

I think the reasons the Jedi hated Revan was because of the things he did during the Mandalorian Wars, falling to the dark side and becoming a Sith lord that caused the Jedi Civil War and his relationship with Bastila Shan Don't forget Star Wars fans that tomorrow is the season finally of the Bad Batch!!!!! I seriously hope we don't lose Hunter, Wrecker and Echo. Will Ventress return to train Omega in the ways of the force?

Can you cover more of the Yuuzhan Vong?

You wanna know what I wanna see? Alright... I wanna see something with Starkiller. Like your thoughts on him, do you think Revan would have had a good impact on him... etc

I believe the phrase you're looking for is "petty jealousy".

Future video ideas: Kotor 1 & 2 armor lore Why are energy shields not prevelant in prequel star wars but are in kotor? If these are already talked about on this channel or another I'd love to see the video, please. Great video as always!!!

Love your videos man I've told all I can about your greatness of videos

Hmm, thanks for the video. I enjoyed it. As for ideas on new KotOR vids, I always found the background and lore of the Old Republic time period fascinating. Reminds me a bit of the Mandalorian tv series time period. The big bad enemies are crushed, but things are still in flux. The Power vacuum has yet to be filled. I also want a more satisfying resolution to Revan and the Exile's tales. The small crumbs of Kreia's deathbed predictions are a start, but there are so many possibilities to explore. The novels and SWtoR games didn't resolve the tales to my satisfaction. So if you really want to grab my attention, perhaps speculation on these areas will prove fruitful.

Luke Jedi order from legends is more open minded 😎😎

Amazing video, great content, as a recommendation you said I´d really like to see you once make like a video if you havent allready about Nihilus and his bond(´s) either to Kreia or as some say also revan and also theretically a path to know where revan went after KOTOR 1 in the outer regions. Love your vids.💯💯

What ever happened to following the Jedi Code? Jedi aren't suppose to hate because that's one of the negative emotions that leads to the dark side.

Upon watching this I am considering that Cal might be taking the revan path. Balancing emotions.

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The prequel Jedi believe the same as Revan. Anakin tells Padme as much in Episode 2. But they seem to take a middle ground approach to it. Still no marriage, for the most part. And while you should love and are encouraged to love, no bonds or passion allowed.

I actually laughed when I heard the sponsor of this video. Absolutely brilliant

Would love to see a video exploring each planet's notable interesting features or notable side quests from the game.

I have always been interested in Malachor V , an origin story about Trayas academy , its construction and exploration of the timeline when the Sith Triumvirate discovered it , a video about that would be cool. I don't really count TOR as canon tbh , and the beautiful writing of being betrayed , the scar/echo it causes all of us, i think that is a very universal thing, Chris avellone was a genius.

He showed them what true protectors of peace and justice looked like

Revan proved the council wrong, and was willing to take action to defend the republic from the mandalorians, as were the Jedi exile and those who followed him. The council probably resented that he disobeyed them and made them look foolish

They hate him cause they ain't him.

Darkside EVERY TIME! The Star Forge infinite army Bastila and her Battle Meditation Sith army on korriban The ending is too legendary to pass up lol

A topic I'd like to hear your opinion on is "Other Starforges", in a somewhat theory and somewhat evidence kind of video. Logically there has to have been more than the 4 we've seen, possibly 5, but I'm not sure if the Infinite Engine we see in SWTOR is from a "known" Starforge or a different piece of Rakatan tech.

If Disney were to greenlight a KOTOR film or TV show (heck, even a trilogy), how would you storyboard and structure it in best keeping with the comics, books, and video games etc. ?

I would love to see, hear and learn more about Darth Zannahh. What happened after the books when she was the sith Master?

Hearing that council all got obliterated after the way they treated my boy Revan honestly had me grinning like the Cheshire Cat lol

What I always find is the Jedi never learn from their mistakes, emotions aren't bad they are taught to become droids in not feeling anything and this weakens them they lose sight of things. Only Luke's Jedi changed for better until Disney destroyed that.

1. Did the female Exile love Mical or Atton? 2. Is T3 OP? 3. What would a war of Jedi, Mandalorians and “Sith” vs the True Sith look like?

Why Darth Revan HATED clickbait titles

Just wanted you to know this is the only star wars channel I watch anymore. Disney star wars killed star wars and I love the old republic so thank you!

A Thing to always be considered is that The Jedi Order is, despite their access to the Force, still is just a Religion

10:00 I want to know more about civilian life within the Palpatine's empire.

Love your videos mate!

Amazing video as always! Love that you're working to keep this area of star wars lore alive and well! As for video ideas the psychology behind these games has always been super fascinating. TSL has been deconstructed so many times but I think the commentary on the Jedi order in the first game is often overlooked. Like, they erased your identity. Did they have any right to? Then for them to condemn you after everything you did for them is crazy.

Anything Mara Jade related I love. Keep up the good work.

A cool topic I'd like to see would be how the Jedi Exile formed the Jedi Order from Revans teachings. As briefly mentioned towards the end of this Video. That would be an interesting continuation topic to go off from! Also great video, been looking forward to another one of these types of videos on the channel now. Going back to when I first Subbed to your channel. Thank you for your videos!

Great video!

Further topic: go inside the War of Exar Kun/The Great Sith War And how it did a domino effect From the Empress Theta System crisis all the way into the Jedi Civil War

Watching videos about kotor makes me want to replay it...for like the 20th time rofl 🤣

They hated him after KOTOR because he massacred a ton of Jedi and Republic soldiers at the Star Forge 😎

Hate? Maybe. Envious of his success? Yes being the absolute in this case.

To my knowledge, Yuthura Ban was conceptualized as a potential companion in the game. Is there any information on what kind of storylines would come from her addition and also how would it have affected the atmosphere on the ship to have a former Sith as a member of the crew.

I can't imagine that relationship being anything other than extremely awkward. Revan didn't just fight the Republic, they targeted the Jedi specifically and tortured many of them to the dark side. And the Jedi Council captured Revan, wiped their memories and sent them after their allies as a clueless patsy. And yes, Revan turned around and saved the Republic after that of their own informed free will and got a medal out of it, but... that's a lot of water to try and fit under the bridge, on both sides. Also, if someone had at any point held my life in their hands or ever possibly might, I wouldn't try calling them the "prodigal" anything, that's just insulting.

speak on marka ragnos and tennebrae

And I have one: how about a theory video regarding how Jedi Holocrons are made?

I'd love to see a series of videos that discusses Revans book. Maybe chapter by chapter or major events by major events. Not many know about the book. Even some of your viewers. Click bait like titles like events that happen after kotor 2 or evil emperors. Idk lol that'd be cool to see

Revan, Qui-Gon, Luke (EU version) and Kyle Katarn are the ideal Jedi.

Probably because they could sense that the fandom would miss the point of his character and hold him up as an example of the "middle path"

There’s nothing better than some new Kotor content 😌

How the Jedi Council survived up until Revenge of the Sith, I uave no idea.

Thank you for the video 😘🥰🥳

I'd love a full background video on either carth onasi and his family including Saul or a complete history of the ebon hawk. A lore video about czerka or the exchange would also be interesting.

Really happy to seem you jump back into some lore! Are you gonna continue the facts series?

Sorry no suggestions, but I wanted to tell you how much I enjoyed this video.

*The Jedi never fail in being completely oblivious to their own ignorance.*

When i was younger, jedi seem cool. By the time I was 18, I thought the jedi stupid. After learning about kreia around 2006 when I played the game, i realized she was the most insightful. I felt sorry for her character and always tried to do the neutral ending...

Might have something to do with a Darth Revan crossing off almost all the old Jedi. That might make people grumpy.

He literally split the Order and ended up bringing it close to complete destruction before the Exile was able to resurrect it.

Revan: I've Destroyed Star Forge and killed Malak Jedi Order: You are hero. Revan: You know I plan to marry Bastila and by the way she is pregnant. Jedi Order: You are Monster.

I think it would be cool if you dove into the Mass Effect games and lore as they are some of bio where greatest works, and in my opinion, some of the best video games ever made. It is rich and Laura and storytelling and is also made by by aware and I love how in-depth your research is, and would like to hear your perspective. Jade Empire is another great game. Just an idea.

Hate IS NOT supposed to be the Jedi way 🤦‍♂️😂😂

The Jedi Exile is criminally underrated!

Having a Star Trek ad in a Star Wars video 🤣🤣🤣 Next level trolling

Amazing Video ya will do an Every Mandalore Video? (Like with HK?).

Damn if he wasn't tired after that fight for the galaxy I'm sure he would have started his own order of Love-Jedi. I like to imagine it would have aligned with Luke Skywalkers order.

Atris: What makes you think I would do anything to help you? You defied the Jedi Council, betrayed the Republic, and slaughtered millions of innocent people during the Mandalorian Wars and the past war! That is not the Jedi way, and you know that! Be thankful we at least made you a Master, otherwise, we would have expelled you from the Jedi Order altogether for the crimes you wrought against us... I haven’t seen or spoken to Meetra Surik since the day of her exile. I don’t know where she went, and I hope I never find out. I also hope I never speak to her again, and neither should you, of all people! She was so close to the Mass Shadow Generator, that she would have died had she not severed her connection to the Force. In the Force, she is already dead, thanks to you! You’re not welcome here, Revan! Go back home to your wife!

Something about Darth Bane would be awesome or maybe Tulak Horde

I would like to see a long, in depth, sort of VS, comparison of Revan and Tulak Hord. Just for fun...

10:10 Honestly, assuming the light side ending of KOTOR and that’s cannon with TOR Online, how did the Jedi properly fall? I’ve played KOTOR 2 but from what I recall it’s just a vague “well the sith remnants kept fighting and folks died on both sides then the triumvirate wrapped up the rest” It just seems…odd from a lore POV especially with the ending of KOTOR 1. I think atton’s convo at the beginning on Peragus is the only mention offhand.

While I didn't blame the Council for still distrusting Revan, afterall even if they did mind wipe him this was still the former Dark Lord of the Sith that led to a majority of the Jedi orders members. He did order the mass death on Malachor V, but he didn't cause the destruction of Taris or Telos IV as that was all on Darth Malak. That said had been because of that then it would make sense, the problem is that it's because of people like Vrook or Atris just didn't accept his views. That they were so bitter and angry because he didn't entirely agree with their religion, honestly it makes sense why Revan grew so tired with the Jedi.

Truth be told, post "KOTOR 1" Revan was kinda short sighted, which is why he failed in multiple ways in his goals after the first game. That's why I prefer my version of Revan, the one who chose Lightside after a gameplay filled with Darkside choices. He's kinda Count Dooku, before Count Dooku was born. He has more of his old persona's traits, but he doesn't serve the Sith. He may have created a somewhat Separatist movement, but he isn't trying to go to war. He, his Rakata and the supporters are kinda their own thing.

Make a video about Darth Bane and his disgust with the Brotherhood of Darkness and how this new Sith Order was an insult in Bane's eyes of how a Sith Lord should be.