@@davidlindsey6111 Not me, he's the American Curator of Armour at London's Wallace Collection, our ships are on an interception course as he's tearing the iconic Agincourt apart from a weaponry approach, I'm doing the same from a geopolitical angle on the edge of the Warburg Institute. When the Royal Armouries moved to Leeds, they commissioned a friend of the family (my late wife's, Welsh, you know...), Sir Karl Jenkins, to compose a work for them, The Armed Man. Where the idea came from is anybody's guess, it's possible Cousin Lesley, who ran his local, The Welcome to Gower, may have told him what we were up to, which was eventually gonged with the 2012 Nobel Peace Prize: the work culminated in catching the Roman Catholic seat of the Eucharist as it fell, which led me straight back to a new discovery in the roots of the Renaissance. The entire thing had been set up by a French Cardinal, attempting to stop the Hundred Years War, which had riven the Church, they'd ended up with 3 contending Popes! Allied with the Holy Roman Emperor who needed a unified Christendom to fight off the Ottomans, who clearly had eyes on the Danube lands - this is the setting of Vlad the Impaler, in passing - the French were irritants, and were taken down by Henry V at Agincourt. Now, Henry was closely allied with Burgundy, an HRE fiefdom, in the wool trade, so it doesn't take much to put two and two together, particularly with my experience at the same level in the modern European Council. Heck, one of my ancestors was the Sieur de Gosse de Gorre, head of a band of routiers, freelancer ronin of exactly the kind described in the work. Karl's is simply one of the most recent takes on a French folksong from the same area, first used as folk mass by Guillaume Dufay - it's been rearranged something like 80 times in the 600 years since. Coming into it tracing the religious side at the behest of the Belgian Supreme Court, I spotted this Cardinal had done exactly the same as we'd do now. He presented an argued case, where we'd use academic logic now, he used academic theology then. A Quadrivium case, where two of his team at the Concilium, Dufay and van Eyck, prepared studies of the text from which most Chrismas readings are drawn, Jan van Ruusbroec's Spiritual Tabernacle, the first consolidation of Eucharistic Theology. This was used to invert tgebsecular power structure, the Popes were now to be top dog.
First of all, I'd like to express my thanks to Jonathan and Royal Armouries as well for even taking time to mention this and put it in the spotlight. I myself being Czech of origin, this means quite a lot to me, especially since I'm doing a little bit of a research of Czech firearms during WWI & II and pre-WWI & II. If you would like I could try to dig up these "unsung heroes" names from the archive of 'Zbrojovka Brno' (yes that "ZB" which would eventually collaborated into Bren gun), since I think that this rifle (being such an oddball) deserves this... ;)
Same here. This gun would fit perfectly into the Star wars universe in my opinion. Because the vehicles and weapons (the older ones, not the sequel ones) are this mix of different things, with the main priority is that it can be cheaply model for the shots. This is why they look so iconic, chaotic and yet harmonic at the same time with e.g.TIE fighter and a Mon Calamari cruiser look so different and yet they fit perfectly into each other
That is pretty much a nightmare. My grandfather had a Savage 99 which has a rear locking bolt that sort of drops down and back. It also has a sliding safety just behind the trigger. He put a round through the bedroom wall showing me how the safety worked. Very loud! Cheers, Dan.
I actually thought I read it wrong, I was like "cool, a pump action sniper?!" then he kept going on about it being bullpup and I was like "did I misread bullpup as pump action?!" had to exit full screen to check XD
I gained my Marksman badge on the old .303 in the CCF in the late '50's I could use the bolt without losing my aim too much, though whether that would be good enough for a sniper I don't know, it was good enough for a double tap once I joined up. My dad was posted as the Chief Clerk of the Small Arms School in Kent as a colour SGT in the Lancashire Fusiliers in the early '60's, he took us four boys into work quite often on a Saturday morning and we saw many fantastic small arms being tested. The ranges were just behind our Quarters in Dymchurch Cottages and we boys often squirmed up the sandunes to watch the action. Great times. Jonathan are your books available on Kindle?
Unfortunately, Ian McCollum, owner of headstamp publishing and forgotten weapons, has said there will never be ebooks of headstamp titles due to piracy. Admittedly he has sound reasoning, but as someone with a large ebook collection and a small physical collection, id love to have one in ebook form as well.
05:00 By the time you shoot you have already lost the aiming point. Not to mention the extra movement of the hand and arm to pull back the grip and open the bolt. Push the grip again to feed the new cartridge. Retake the position and aiming again. The rifle is smaller, which leads to probably less weight and therefore greater recoil. Now, let's go to a poor single scope ring, which has to keep a telescope as heavy as No. 32 at zero after firing a 7.92x57 cartridge. Seriously, some designers were a little lost at the time.
Very odd to hear the words "pump-action" and "sniper rifle" in the same sentence, but I have to admit, the pump-action's visually subtle; was wondering where the hell it was on it. Plus, I love weird weapon designs like this are, so it's definitely unique.
Thank you so much for doing this video! ever since i saw the gun in sniper elite 5 i have been looking for details on this gun but couldnt find much, you're video is nicely detailed and seeing the gun itself was awesome!
@@wessexdruid7598 I know I saw his video on sniper elite 5 I added this comment because I couldn't find more details on the srem 1 anywhere and then this video came out
I was aware of this rifle before SE5, but I love that it was included and I hope that people’s interests are peaked enough to discover your excellent video and seemingly endless repository of firearms history knowledge.
My grandfather was WSI special forces/commando NCO and code breaker all through the war, serving in various units and regiments like the LRDG, SBS, SASB and 1stSSB. Running lots of recon, intelligence gathering sorties and capture/kill missions. He said they gave him and the blokes all kinds of experimental stuff to try, but in the end, most either didn't work or was too unreliable... (He hated the STEN and all variants for eg, if it didnt jam, it was just as dangerous to the owner as it was the enemy). Said if you had to be quiet, you used your dagger. The best British rifle he used was actually the P14, especially for sharpshooting. He tried to hold onto that for as long as he could, before they eventually took it off him and handed him a No4 claiming it was better (he didnt think so). Eventually late war, they were using a lot of American stuff (Which they traded booze and ciggies for). The regular UK Army would often "requision" their stuff prior to D-Day, so often had to go find new stuff or trade for it. Post D-Day tbey were dar better kitted out. The Bren was his all time favourite weapon of the war, it never let him down. They got the job done with what little they had. Special Operations often didnt have the best stuff, despite popular opinion.
SOE had half of Baker Street reworking everything anyway, as it had to pass German inspection in the street. Mum's aunt ran the La Libre Belgique, and she was picked up by MI9 aged 13, as their home became the unofficial consulate in 1940. By 43, she was one of the jailbait screen ahead of downed aircrew. She only let a couple of things slip, but then I found myself living among the Belgians who covered them while waiting for the next Comet Line run, and learned the lot.
A good comparison for the dropping bolt in a full power rifle would be the earlier Ed Browning self-loading rifle that competed with the Pederson and Garand rifles for the US Trials, there's a reason that Winchester changed the Bolt design of the G30 as they continued development, Forgotten Weapons has an entire series on the development of the G30 family for anyone interested. Here's the link, second video on the Winchester guns shows the problems with a bolt that drops into the stock: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ioi7D6ce_34.html
Ed Browning had a semi-auto with the bolt recoiling back and down: The G30. It has a related development to the M-1 Carbine. I think I got this info from Hatcher's Book of the Garand or maybe Hatcher's Notebook.
My family are long distance shooters, the right handers converted to left hand actions with bipod’s and the lefties to right hand actions. You can keep possession of the rifle and trigger better while you use what would be your front stock hand to reload and cycle the action. With a bipod you don’t need a front hand to hold the rifle it is now used to cycle the action. The back hand keeps the sights/scope on target and cycles the trigger.
Sommer & Ockenfuss griffrepetierer. I have one, and it is very accurate. You can reload it pretty fast if you train with it for a while, but it is nothing I would ever consider for an infantry-rifle.
Its such a curious choice given how effective the No 4T was as a sharpshooters or snipers rifle. The bolt throw on the Enfield being so easy to use you can work it with just your fingers.
Thought I'd chime in on weapons with bolts that ride a track down such as the SREM, the Russian TKB-011 I believe has a similar system to this. It was an experimental design in the early-mid 60's as a bullpup firearm with a wacky bolt system which can be seen by it's charging handle having to ride up to align with the barrel before pulling it back, no doubt meaning the bolt wasn't a typical straight or turn bolt design to it though ofc it was never taken beyond that phase as it would have been far to complex for any kind of widespread adoption.
they had massive stockpiles of .303 ammo and guns after WW1, and they were broke, so using what was left over made economic sense, when WWII started everyone was already trained with an Enfield the production lines were already running and there was no money or time to design and build the factories to make a new rifle and the .303 being a heavy rimmed round doesn't work as well in magazine fed semi/automatic weapons, though the BREN is an exception as mentioned in the Video it's only recently that Semi automatics have become as accurate as bolt action rifles and Accuracy International makes a really, really good bolt action Sniper Rifle, third longest confirmed kill in the world at 2,475 metres with an Accuracy International L115A3 long-range rifle this is why the British army stuck to Bolt action sniper rifles so long
@@bigsteppamoe4173 it was effective enough at the time, but by 1945 it was obvious that higher calibre rounds such as .303 were unnecessary, and there were more effective, lower calibre types in development. I wouldn’t say that .303 was a “bum round” it was still in use for the standard British sniper rifle (the No. 4 T) until the late ‘60’s / early ‘70’s with the adoption of the 7.62 L42. Taliban snipers were using the “Bum round” .303 in the 2010’s to great effect.
My hunting rifle when I was younger was a Remington model 760 pump action. I really liked the rifle. At the time I thought a pump action rifle was just the coolest.
One of my UK shooting baddies had one until they were banned here. They were seen by some as the "gamer gun" for Running Deer Doubles at Bisley. I guess you had to fire two shots rapid at the moving (running deer) target and semiautos were not allowed for that competition.
What caliber? I had a Remington 700 chambered in .270 for my first deer rifle (Mulies in the Rockies). I had a grizzled old uncle that was an excellent tracker/hunter and he carried a pump action rifle but I forget the type.
MAS-38 has a bolt at an angle, but it follows a straight line rather than going round a bend, it's just that the straight line isn't in line with the barrel. Same logic to it as well - wanting the bolt to cycle back into the buttstock without wanting to raise the sights too high above the barrel.
Snipers - AFAIK - rarely rip the bolt backwards and forwards "at a fair old rate". And that looks to me almost as bad as a bolt action for destroying your sight picture, which wasn't a huge problem on the SMLE if I remember my cadet days.
Probably intended more as a squad marksmen weapon, where quick follow up shots could be taken, or multiple targets. This rifle looks a neat, handy design.
The Garand itself is fairly like that, isn't it? Its bolt does drop down in the receiver and its track does go down at an angle. Much slighter than the SREM of course.
The pain on jons face while operating the weapon " with some welly " and when he dry fires it his expression can only be described as aghast. Its matched only by that pride when he says phrases like "the only one in the world" Just as a consummate proffessional in his field should. Jonathan is exactly what i want a keeper pf firearms and artillery should be. I can also see him doimg a cameo in a red dwarf episode, incidentally. Not sure why. Somethig about his humour.
You can get an AR variant in pump action. I'm watching a channel where a cattle station manager has to do a lot of invasive camel,culling and the state won't allow semi automatics. Australian farmer guy has them in .223 and .300- I Would like one with a semi pistol grip.
Seems like with a straightline stock and a release lever under the triggerguard, you'd have the makings of a good system. Of course, the UK has access to accurized semiauto rifles these days.
I splendid free extra to the book. I've got mine. I think it sold out(?). Pretend to buy it on Amazon and help get a second edition printed. Ian McCollum reprinted 'Chassepot to FAMAS' when it was being offered for more than the cover price.
I'm tempted to say this was the inspiration for the Sommer & Ockenfuss Griffrepetierer. "Czech My Guns" did a review on one and this seems very similar...
Was a good weapon in the Sniper Elite 5 game at least!! Interesting to know how they try to replicate actual performance into a computer game equivalent.
Gotta be honest. I'm an American (casual) Gamer and I love the Sniper Elite games. Though my mains are the Enfield rifle and the Webley revolver, or the High Standard IS pistol.
I have an Enfield No. 4T model, which my Grandpa brought back from Korea. Supposedly he traded his Garand for it while waiting to board the troopship to go home in ‘53. As interesting as the SREM is, I’d much rather take the Enfield to war.
Seems the propensity for poor triggers in bull pups would counter any potential sight picture advantage. It also seems the recoil of that cartridge would disrupt the sight picture more than either a pump or bolt action. Really interesting rifle though. The dead ends can be more fun than the successes.
I remember when we were issued with early SA80s in 1990 and went through NITAT (with .22 adaptors fitted). The rifle used to feed unfired .22LR rounds *into* the handgrip, behind the trigger - thankfully one was never crushed enough to go off...
Actually it isn't too bad. It's actually quite simple, and looks stronger than a lot of other straight pull bolt actions, which is essentially what this is. the only complication is to make it be able to tilt down into the stock, which was done rather cleverly by using the cam pin. In many ways it's quite similar to the Swiss K31.
@@crystalbiro6158 Kraut space magic? No, it’s old, 1800’s old. There is a huge heavy disk in the stock that winds a clock spring 270deg to absorb the recoil and feed the next round
In my opinion, it would make far more sense for it to have an underbarrel pump action like a classic Remington (there are a few pump action rifles as well) and just move that simple action rearwards. There's a bit of British gun homebrew converting a Henry lever action into a bullpup beltfed lever action.
Clever idea! Only ever seen something similar but that was on an LMG where the pistol grip racked the first round. As for the cheek touching that metal cover, a rubber cover or leather glued over it would solve that, even the game model you showed has it covered with a wide canvas cover that would work too.
The experimental Winchester G30M and related prototypes have a bolt that drops into the wrist of the stock. Also the Benelli MR-1 rifle and M4 Super 90 shotgun have a bolt extension that rides down into the stock to engage the recoil spring. Does that count?
According to Ian Skennerton, the reason for this design was that the arm movement required to manipulate the bolt of the standard SMLE often gave away the position of the sniper to the enemy.
He's not describing sniping then. If they are close enough to see you cock it then they saw and heard the muzzle report as well. A sniper on a planned stalk relocates after a shot rather than having another go.
If they could see that, he was dead anyway. I just rechecked the action, a twist of the forearm with the ball at the base of the thumb, the hand turns ovev and that works the bolt back, then the reverse. The biggest issue was putting another clip in every 5 rounds.
I'd never heard of this gun but apart from .22 Rimfire pump action centre fire rifles are rather rare.The Remington pump rifle springs to mind which was made in .30 06 and possibly other calibres too.I believe that it's held that pump action centre fire rifles tend to shake loose and are less accurate than bolt action.
Presumably by this time the iron sights were mostly for backup, but doesn't an iron sight sniper rifle lose accuracy, at least potentially, by trading sight radius for overall rifle length?
As a bullpup vs a full length rifle, you mean? Yes, it does, but then that's not the only factor of importance. Everything's a compromise, and a long sight radius is no help at all on a rifle that is too bulky to take into certain theatres and move around with effectively on the ground. Also: military sniping in 1944 is mostly a few hundred meters range or less, nothing like what we see today
An interesting rifle. I must have missed where/what the magazine is. I figure it must be a 5 round internal box. I don't see any stripper clip guides though. I've always had a soft spot for my .22lr pump that's about 80 years old now. Pump guns in .357 are surprisingly popular at my local gun club too.
@@itsapittie I know one for sure was a Taurus. One might have been a Henry, brass and wood. The other was an Italian name. They also shoot .38's if I remember right. It was a case of one guy brought that shiny one in to shoot and everyone that plinked with it fell in love and bought their own. It's a great part of being in a club.
Personally I’m more interested in sporting arms and would love to see what’s up with the two position rifles on the front row left. Unique Military rifles are Interesting as well but in general, sporting rifles are generally less utilitarian 👍🏼
I love that the British came up with a needlessly complicated design (which from the outset was a terrible idea) but ultimately thought "sod it this is too complicated" and just kept using the same rifle they already had for another 40 years
Because if there's one thing snipers want; it's a rifle with moveable grip that's also part of a loud, clacky action that requires you to move your whole shooting arm to operate (and I'm sure that bullpup trigger is a joy...).
Of course the biggest mistake behind this design is the notion that it's bad for a sniper to 'disturb' their own sight picture by cycling the bolt in the first place. Because if you're a sniper and you want to keep your sight picture on the exact same spot after firing, it's because you missed and at that point you've either: a. already achieved your goal (if your goal, as it usually was for snipers, isn't necessarily to kill someone, but to force the enemy into cover) or b. already failed in your goal (if your goal _was_ to kill a specific someone, because if you have to manually cycle the bolt they'll probably have ducked into cover before you can fire again no matter how well you maintain your sight picture while cycling). 'I have to disrupt my sight picture to cycle the bolt' is the kind of complaint you'd find from people doing target shooting on a range, where the target is stationary and at a fixed distance, not in combat where having to cycle the bolt and re-acquire a target either isn't an issue or the issue is with having to cycle the bolt before being able to fire again in the first place, not whether that breaks up your sight picture (in which case the only real solution is a semi-automatic).
I wonder why the people in charge of finding a new sniper rifle didn't go to H&H and say I want you to make us a sniper rifle that's good for x number of yards and see what they could come up with. I think they would have came up with a great rifle! Probably would have set a new standard? maybe they charged too much?
*OMG!* This is exactly what I've designed in my head as a way to convert a straight pull rifle to fire with a pump mechanism. I imagined it on something like the Ross Mk 3. The pistol-grip pump mechanism is what I conjured up. (Forestock pumps don't work out for firing prone.) It allows cycling the action while not moving the hand up and down and also helps keep the rifle close to on target during cycling. Started thinking about this when Forgotten Weapons showed a shotgun with a pump slide behind the trigger. (No pistol grip.) This was invented to get around the patent that Winchester held on the conventional slide at the time. Of course a shotgun mechanism can't simply be put into a full-sized rifle. I was imagining a WW1 era weapon that allowed a rate of fire similar to a Garand. With a 10 round box magazine (think SMLE, stripper clips) it would work well and when a large volume of fire was needed a squad could really put it out. A quasi-full-auto selection would be enabled by allowing it to fire with each pump, no need to pull the trigger.
It's really interesting how many people get similar ideas. I mean if one knows a bit about firearms, there is definitely certain guidelines as to how to design one because of existing designs, yet the magic of the actual profession is (or rather was, at least a lot more prominenly) thinking outside of the box. The real deal however comes when people with great ideas have the capabilities to get their designs built, known, tested and improved. Sadly not many people can do this but if they did, i bet we'd see a lot more of interesting designs. That's why i absolutely love Ian McCollum and Johnathan Ferguson because they understand the entire process of firearms development throughout history AND have access to many many designs unknown to even the average firearms enthusiast. Come to think of it, I'm pretty sure that i also thought of a pistol grip pump action rifle when I was younger and in my head this is exactly what it would look like 😅
Oh man I wish I could play with some of those rifles , but the crown doesn't want me to utilize one ! Shotty !!! Even though I beet them in court several times .lol have a fun time with show and tell .is there a cz 512 magnum 22 standard rifle with over under scope mounts and world class scope ? I'm looking for my rifle they took ! Under Martin's criminal code 115
