Why did your 1.1 Peugeot 106 or Citroen AX & Saxo feel so FAST?! 

I can imagine the conversation in the Peugeot factory: _"Zut alors Pierre, le cent six is making too much power, insurance companies will not like zis"_ "Ce n'est pas un problème Jean-Paul, we just squeeze down zis little pipe and power is gone"

Oww yeah, that bottleneck in the inlet! With every TU engine I replaced it with the same rubber inlet tube from an Alfa 155, which was big. All of the TU engines are soooo rev-happy, the 16 valve as well as the 8 valve ones, but from my experience the powerband of the 8 valve is just more brilliant. They may need a new headgasket at about every 100k to 150k kms, but they work effortless. Well, I have to admit I do have a thing for these engines, that's why I had a lot of them. Not because I broke them but because they all ride sooooo nice, it really is my favourite: 1989 Citroën AX 1.1i 44kw with a 4 speed, red 3 doors. Best allround package of these cars and only 648kg. 1995 Citroën AX 1.1i 44kw with a 5 speed, green 5 doors. Comfortable but a bit boring, just didn't want to die. 1990 Citroën BX 1.4i Cannes 55kw with a 5 speed, white. Bought with blown headgasket which I fixed, as well as HP suspension. Epic wollowy handling on the limit. 1992 Peugeot 106 1.1i 44kw, white van. Not to be called economical due to worn TBI, but very fast indeed. 1993 Peugeot 106 1.4 diesel 37kw, blue. Not so fast, but very economical and never missed a beat, went to the middle of Sweden and had to floor it to and and from there, exhaust fell of which annoyed a lot of people at Jonkoping, fixed at campsite 1989 Peugeot 205 1.1i 44kw, grey. Put a Supersprint exhaust on it, sounded epic and revved like no other. 1997 Peugeot 205 1.4i 55kw, green. Put the 1.6 GTI wheels on it with some wider Accelere budget sports tyres, couldn't unstick it in corners. Believe me, I tried. 1997 Peugeot 205 1.4i 55kw on LPG, blue. Super economical for a commuter car, otherwise pretty boring, nothing went wrong apart from me crashing into the side of a brand new 207 due to hidden ice on the road, the 207 was instantly totalled with some pretty nasty damage, but the 205 only needed a new bumper, left fender and a new headlight. And it was 1 cm less wide than before, the grill wouldn't easily fit. 1996 Peugeot 306 Break 1.4i 55kw, blue. Comfortable and loads of space, needed a new clutch which I replaced with the help of a friend and then the gearbox cracked. Sad. 1997 Peugeot 306 sedan 1.4i 55kw on LPG, blue. Bought with blown headgasket for €250, had to fix the headgasket 3 times in 3 months due to the head being cracked internally. 2001 Peugeot 306 Break 1.6i 72kw, red. Easily the fastest in the row. This engine with multipoint injection was in essence the 106 1.6 Rallye engine, is a true gem in this combo. Felt like the most epic last hooraaaa for the 8 valve TU before they were slowly being fased out. Btw this list is not chronologically in order, apart from the first, the red AX 1.1 and the last, the red 306 Break 1.6. Nor does this list accounts for all of the cars I had since I got my license 20 yrs ago, that list should be 100+ cars by now. And no I'm not a dealer or trader, because I don't have the ability to trade, I'm just an overly passionate enthousiastical car nut and some sort of a mechanic when I choose to be.

As you can see from my profile picture Im a proud owner of one of the rarest PSA vehicles of all time, Citroen AX Sport, inherited from my lovely father, with the TU24 M4A 1.3l ''95 hp'' same as the 205 really with 103hp an extra 8hp because of the airbox being much wider, than the AX craaaazy for such a small modification, in fact the 1.3 liter in these is based in the 1.1 liter that this peugeot has, but with two twin weber 40s gulping excessive amounts of petrol ahah but you gotta love that sound and rawness And I can say with confidence these little tin cans are so badass and so quick and people don't even imagine, a while go I was visiting my girlf and came across a Golf 6 GTI who thought it was quick in the mountain roads...little did he know I was about to show him the power of being light and nimble 🤣 when I overtook him...the guy's face was priceless being gapped by such an old car. People really forget about the weight and just talk about raw power numbers and figures on a paper sheet... The feeling you get from the light old cars is undescribable ...

Saw 110mph on the clock of my mother’s Saxo 1.1 back in the day. I remember slowly pulling away at 90mph from a Discovery who had been tailgating me on a motorway

Glad to see this. Had my phase 1 306 with the 1.6 TU5 measured on the dyno recently. Its supposed to have 88hp factory, got measured in at 96.75hp with no modifications done to it. These TU engines are great.

Modern TUs engines like this 106 have a lot of different things than the old ones. - Lighter Pistons with shorter skirt - Better conrod ratio with higher Piston pin - Lighter camshaft pulley - Roller Rockers - Multipoint full injection A TU1 monopoint on AX is different than a KFX/KFW on post 2000 engines. "60HP" is a commercial barrier for selling these 1.1 engines at this era. You can make a really great 1.4 TU with cast iron block (106 XSI), stock forged half 8 Counterweights crankshaft (alway 106 XSI) and all "modern" TU internals (conrods, pistons ...). You lost the smooth/low end torque from XSI internals (pistons with offset pins ... already at this time before "Offset" fashion!) but gain top end/peak power.

I love that 'An old Car' sticker. Very clever 😂

Dumpit is such an amazing car, love seeing the content you make with it!

Always impressed by a healthy TU they always punch harder than you'd expect 👊

Step aside Kitch, Dumpit is fast becoming the new darling of the channel lol

I had a 2001 106 Quiksilver which should’ve been 75hp. It was three years old when I bought it and roller’d it whiteout any mods and it was 80hp out of the box One year later with a a 4 to 1 manifold, Kent Fast road cam and a carbon intake with a S/Steel centre pipe and peco back box and it was 105hp I then bought a 1.6 16v engine to put in it and done the same mods but with matched manifolds and forged pistons and without a remap it still pulled 155hp I love PSA engines 😁

Now that's impressive, 10 extra rampant horses. What a beast. 😉

For the same reason my bone stock mk2 clio 1.6 feels so quick now... it weighs bugger all and that k4m is a rev happy little monster! I remember driving my other half's Saxo 1.1 and assumed it'd be a limp little thing. Turns out it was a rapid little thing for it's modest size and also handled incredibly well! Cracking little motors. The VTS must have been a wild little ride!

No wonder my AX used to fly. 55bhp my arse 😂 The wobbly wheel trim was almost hypnotic 😮

This engine here is the "hfx" with the multipoint injection instead of the ealier monopoint injection. These engines were designed for the 206 sold from 1998 up to 2013. However, in the last few years of the production these engines were assembled in the 106 (between 1998/1999 and 2003). Officially, the new injection system of the hfx led to a higher torque (94 instead of 88) but without any gain in bhp ...the cars were still sold as 60bhp engines. ... I think they were just too lazy or "forgot" to re-measure the performance, which would probably have resulted in a reclassification.

These cars are amazing. I had a 306 with a tube style air filter when i was 19. It was a 1.6L TU5 engine with 8 valves. When i removed it and fitted a cone air filter and aluminum tubes it really flew like crazy, not to mention it went all the way to 210 km/h, when before it didnt go faster than 175km/h

First thing I did to my 1.1 Saxo was to remove that narrow pipe and put a straight piece in. Glad to finally know many years later that it did actually make a difference :)

going above 5500 isn't pointless: change gear up at 5500 and you end up near 3500 rpm (50 hp), change at 6000 and you end up closer to 4000 (58/59 hp). You want to keep the average bhp as high as possible. When going for top speed, whatever gear keeps you close to 5500 obviously. Had a 1.1 AX as my first car, chose it because it had a decent engine with very low weight, and good aero. It was quite quick.

The 106 is such a special little car for me. I had a 1.4 as my second car and I loved it so much. I even took it to track days and had the time of my life 😃

A healthy 64bhp! Please please please can I bring my 1992 ax GT down and put that on the rollers. It's far from a garage queen, but it's my ax and it's ❤❤

You are the UK version of Dank Pods with the enthusiastic way - his channel 'Garbage Time' is a great car channel too. Always had a real soft spot for the 106 and the facelift era was when peugeot were really on their game for styling. Great video

Woooo goooo Dumpit! I had a 1.1 TU in my 205 and it always felt pretty potent! Not surprised Dumpit pulls so well. I must admit thinking back I always thought of the TU engines as a bit cheaper/less engineered than the XU ones. Watching this I was clearly mistaken!

TU’s are amazing engines. I once had an AX 1.1i on loan when my 309GTI was in for a body repair. I was amazed at how rev happy and fast that little thing zipped along!

Looking forward too see Dumpit on the rollers.

My sister used to own a nice one of these. She once managed to reach just over 100mph in her little purple M-reg Citroen AX Spree, with 4-speed 954 power. They are much better than Mini Coopers, incredibly quick for what they are. Reliable, too. With 50bhp, it would have been one of the first TU9's to get fuel injection. It did start getting bloody noisy when she got it past 70mph.

TU series engines were awesome. I owned a Saxo VTR on a T plate from new in 1999, it was supposed to have 90 bhp, but that thing was a little rocket. My mate at the time had just bought an Escort GTI with the 1.8 Zetec rated at 115 bhp and he couldn’t live with my little Saxo. I loved that car, severely underrated. I had a drive in the VTS version as well and while it was quicker outright I actually preferred my VTR.

To be fair, having owned a 1.1 Saxo, they did feel quite peppy but the 1.0 Saxo I currently have in the fold feels very different and is quite flat in comparison.

Incredible, well done dumpit! I can't even imagine even an exceptionally well cared for 20yr old German or Japanese motor improving on the book figure by 15%. It shows the engineering on these PSA units are quite something. I think I'd rather that, than the dashboard being softer to touch...but each to their own😊

i worked on PSA for years.... engines are bullet proof.... RENAULT F9Q ARE WITHOUT DOUBT PROBABLY THE BEST ENGINES EVER.

I can still remember swapping the whole airbox and pipe on my 51 plate 106 for a flexi intake pipe to make the bend and used a Pringles tube for the straight with a pipercross cone filter on the end! I thought it actually made it quicker at the time too 😂 I wrapped the tube in duct tape and it looked kind of good to an 18 year old me, had the whole exhaust cut from just after the cat/downpipe and what looked like a scaffolding bar welded in with a Halfords special backbox and it sounded like a wet dream… Thinking back it was likely more like a wet fart but hey, I was young. Kingfisher blue with morrette headlights, lowered on front springs and a few clicks down on the torsion bar. No back seats, parcel shelf where the rear bench was with 6x9 speakers in and team dynamics pro race 1s. That thing did so many laps of Scarborough front, then one day I came out of a shop to find a drunk driver in an escort had crashed into it big time and the insurance wrote it off. RIP to my little max power wannabe!

2 years ago when i was 18 my parents gifted me a c3 with the 1.4l 4cl engine, 75hp. i had a lot of fun with that car, i learned to drive really fast (for the car) on the turns, like i was in a rally, now i have a c2 vts loeb edition, but i still love the c3

Always cool to see cars like these (pre-2010) on the rollers to see what power they truly produce. Keep 'em coming. 👍

Wow,amazing results, I know VW’s aren’t the channels thing but I own a 2l transporter,I’ve owed it for 8 years and it’s now on 250k and rising,would love to see how it performs on your Dyno,I think it’s still got plenty of horsepower left but would be happy to be humiliated

My first car was a 106 in that exact colour, Moonstone Blue. Mine was a 2003 model (purchased in 2011) and was the newest car i've ever owned (relative to the time). Great cars, very behind for their time; no abs, no power windows, no a/c. Probably the last of the true tin cans

Had a 106 1.5d and a 1.6 gti. Honestly possibly one of the best little cars ever made.

Dumpit is a doozey ❤ Worked with PSA cars in the mid late 80s these cars were far more rapid back in the day than we think.

Those TU engines are amazing engines.

I had a 86 205 1.1 carb 4 Speed with K&N Filter almost 100 km/h in second gear no limiter. Miss that thing fun to drive. 🚙💨💨💨👌

I used to have a 1.1 Silver top like this, I got an ITG trumpet and sock filter and stuck it directly to the throttle body no air box. Sounded ace took a huge chunk off the 0-60. Did so many track days in it, MPG when driving sensibly was better with the sock filter. About 30miles more to a tank on a run😅

My first car was a 1.5 TUd 106, 50mpg+ when thrashing it and lift off oversteer on demand. The toughest, most resilient, economical little cars :D

These are Gen X cars not Millennial cars. The AX came out in 1986 with a Wine shelf on the door for fine taste 🇫🇷

I recently went to a BBQ on an industrial estate. It was really good. 😊

Hello, I also have a Peugeot 106 1.1i, same engine. These cars drive like a go-kart, I love it! TU engines like to make cylinder head gaskets, so I think that the increase in power is due to an increase in the compression rate due to a cylinder head which has been rectified. Less material, more pressure.. maybe, it's a theory.. Or maybe with 66.6hp she has the demon in her..

I have a bog standard 2009 2.2TDCi Mondeo - supposed to be 177bhp. However, it goes pretty well, would love to Dyno it and see where it comes...

Ive owned many 106's and had a saxo but my favourite 90s hot hatch was the Fiat Punto 1.2 sporting 16v it was so much fun without driving it at nutty top speed.

5000 to 6000 rpm, that's what I did all the time age 18, in my grandmother's 1.1 Ford Fiesta. So much fun.

When oils get hotter the dyno reading gets higher. Because less internal friction. It's also good to have a half a liter lower oil level in the sump. Bcs less crank windage losses. Leaving out the airfilter element sometimes also works.

My sons first car was one of these. He paid 150 in about 2016/7. I had a new quick car, but used to love nicking his ass it was so fun on the tight lanes.

Blip throttle to move coolant but also to prevent oil pressure from dropping too quickly while the engine is still quite very hot

Great vid. I was waiting for you to do another run with fans on and pipe off. It is amazing they under estimated the bhp in the book

Every time your camera pans round and I see the phase 2 bx 16v outside I get instant goosebumps followed by immediate regret and sorrow about my 16v's in days long gone.......great video 😎

Seems like its not only VAG Group Cars that are conservative with the Power Figures. I had two Skoda diesels a vRS Fabia which produced 152bhp when Skoda Claimed 130bhp! Remember taking it the Rolling Road after owning it for a few weeks and got called over and being asked what mods i had carried out. Non was the answer. A few years later took my 1.4 diesel Fabia with a claimed 80bhp and that came away with 90bhp! Thinking about it now would it be a prince or a TU engine in a 1.4 Mini R56?? Remember getting 103bhp in that on a rolling road?? One of the common mods on the Fabia vRS was replacing the air intake pipe for a PD160 intake as the 130 intake was restrictive. Well done Dumpit! Ya little Legend!

Bit late to this, but on a rainy day the cool moist air will boost power as the air is denser, hence more oxygen to burn per cc.

I think its how good the chassis was, great chuckable little cars.

I have a 2000 Independence identical to yours, I'll never sell it and it's just so much fun to drive. I've had loads of AX's and 106's over the years, they've all been quicker than they should have been, my AX GT would run rings round an XR2. Only paid £100 for it. I wish I still had it.

These a great fun. I had the 1.4 one and it was crazy good performing. On a 0-100kph run I could get it under 10s. It was great on the highway too - every gear would give U enough torques for overtaking. It had many many torques, I think 110-120 of the Nm ones. It's only drawback is the 5th gear could be longer for crooozing. They're great fun on twisty roads. I need get one of these again.

I used to own a 2003 106 Independence with that same engine. Loved how nippy it was.

I have very dear memories in an ‘03 Saxo with the same engine and colour. And yes, it felt fast for such a small engine. Can we assume the 1.4 and 1.6 are also actually more powerful than the book figures ? Because if not, it may explain why the underrated it. Why buy a 1.4 worth 75 hp if the 1.1 uses less fuel, is less expensive and is already 67 hp ? Should we also assume that a VTS / S16 with the 1.6 16v engine is, in fact, 130 hp from factory ?

I had both the 106 and saxo 1.1's and they were nippy for what they were and fun to drive.

I have had a 1994 106 1.1 XN Graduate (cat), a 1993 306 1.6 XR, a 1996 306 Dturbo, and currently have a 2007 mk4 Mondeo with a 2.0 DW10 among other cars. From having all these Peugeot engined vehicles, it doesn't surprise me that Dumpit is running above stock figures. Rumour has it that Peugeot used to test their cars fully loaded in order to keep figures, and insurance risk, down to make them easier to sell on the basis that they were known to be more powerful than rated. The restrictor pipe would probably help with emissions, too, so it would maybe have helped it with the tax bracket at the time it was sold new.

My mate had a 1.1 Saxo as his first car and it was way faster than it had any right to be 😂. This just confirms our suspicions that these engines were over-performers 😊.

What a trooper, now I want a saxo vts even more.

Driving my old Golf GTi 8V, back in the early 90s, I have been overtaken on French autoroutes by Citroen AX Debuts doing something like 160kph. They had a 1 litre engine, and weight about 700kg, I believe !

My first car was a 1988 Citroen AX Gt. would love to know if they were better than published stats. It felt actually fast back then!

I ran one of these in a local charity park race a few years ago, came second overall for the day and had people all day coming up to me in the pits asking "what engine has that got?" , "have you swapped something into that?" Everyone was shocked to hear it was just a 1.1 😂

Lovin' these Dumpit videos. I'm getting attached to it, and that isn't the point of Dumpit, dangit

I had a 1994 Pug 205 "Junior" with the 1.1L engine and I think supposed 55ish HP. I wouldn't call it fast by any stretch, but it wasnt as slow as one would expect either. It had a single point fuel injection system by the way, not a carb. Although it kinda looked like one. :)

I've a 2008 73 plate 1.2 GT, and it surprises me every day, pulling away from most cars on the motorway lol

My 106 GTI did 0-60 in less than 7 seconds, and would hit the limiter In top gear, which at 7500rpm equated to 150mph. Now that was fast!!! Miss that car 😢

Had a rallye s2 and a gti rallye combo back in the day , was one hell of a car back in the day , focus st2 left plenty of times great little weapons

Would be very interested to see how a 1.4 would do. Had a 1.1 106 as my first car and it was nippy, test drove a Quiksilver once and it really felt a step up in poke. Surely it wouldn’t make the 75bhp book figure if the 1.1s are knocking on the door of 70bhp!

Great video. I had a tu5-jp (90hp) in my 205 it made 110hp on the dyno. I did have a de-cat though

I had a Mk4 fiesta with a 1.25 Zetec. I put a 1.7 Puma inlet manifold and exhaust manifold on it. It made 86bhp and 99lb ft. I was over the moon! Book figure was 75PS.

I reckon the reason it kept going up was most likely due to the oil temp creeping up. The lower viscosity makes a tangible and measureable impact on horsepower. Edit: Had my 1.4 saxo on the dyno before I started doing major modifications. It made 84.8hp with an aftermarket intake and stock exhaust with decat pipe.

I had a 1.1 MK 2 106. The single point injection meant it was not that responsive but if you did thrash the f**k out of it it shifted. It could do 110 mph down hill. The handing was great if unforgiving: no play in the steering at all and prone to lift off oversteer in the wet. I spun mine a few times though luckily did not hit anything.

it would be fun to know what it would be like without the eco pipe and without the muffler, cuz thats how i ran my 206 with the 1.1 TU engine. it was really zippy for 59hp and it even compared well to a 120hp Volvo 740

They were quick for what they were back in the day, I had a silvertop VTR with only 4-1 manifold, exhaust and green filter when I was 18, never dyno'd but gave a few 1.8t golf Mk4s a run for their money. Would bounce on the limiter at 133mph but gps speed was more like 120 🤣 Still miss that wee car.

I liked this a lot, if you what I could 3d print you a few different pipes? one straight through and another one slightly less restrictor.

I can agree at these engines being underrated in terms of power. My 1.1 Saxo Asics(2001) always felt......eager to go faster. I was screaming down the Dutch A6 motorway at 170(km/h) at some point, with the car feeling like that wasn't fast enough yet.(even though it was giving it all)

We went to the Citroen dealership, circa 1998 and they had three ex demo Saxos 1.1 SX, good trim level, Red/pink, Dark green, blue, drove all, unfortunately Green was bar far the best, purchased and all good for years, as long as your serviced the rear brakes well 👍

Who wouldn't like 17% extra for free? Half decent intake roar to boot! Lovely little motor so leave it be 😂👍

I learned to drive in a '91 AX 1.1 (aka the go-kart or tinfoiled-coffin)... options? how about none? not even a 5th gear. If only i knew about that intake. Taking the floormat out from underneath the pedals made it go faster too! please don't tell my mum! going 165km/h in that thing was terrifying!

the hand brake turn at the end almost confirms dumpits not staying stock lmao

I had a citroen saxo east coast and boy that car was fast for a 1.1 my following 1.1 206 was dead and never handled like that car sadly she rotted too badly i would buy another in a heartbeat to keep,I was able to stay with the 1.4 106 in a straight road mainly due to revs

I honestly thought this was Ron Swanson with a beard enjoyed the video very informal Ron Swanson would be proud

I would love to see what my car bhp is... i have a mondeo 2.2 tdci 155hp from factory but it feels way more than that.. the car has just hit 143000 miles

I also have a 2001 1.1 106, and it also starts idling funny after a while of sitting, so I'm reassured yours does the same. That's French engineering for you! Great little car though. How'd you like the Surrealist-inspired pedal placement?

I used to have a 2003 1.1 16Valve Saxo it was supposed to have 70bhp but on a dyno it was 82bhp and it would do 120mph on a straight motorway very late at night , if you know the M40 at High Wycombe ? theres a slight downhill part as you head towards Beaconsfield thats where it hit 120 and 0-60 was supposed to be 12 but i got 10 seconds though s bit of cheating was involved as mine had no rear seats and no spare tyre LOL so it weighed probably 100kg less than the 950kg it was standard , anyway these are fun little go karts

I had one a long time ago (I've tried the entire range back then). It's not fast, and it's unable to deal with wet roundabouts. Nippy but unsafe in the wrong hands, just drive it nicely and it would reward you with great MPG. 13:00 it's going up because the tyres and engine were starting to warm up.

I have a 106 5 doors from 2001, it had a "problem in the block" that in the 1.1 blocks is kind of common, left side right over the transmission a bit of a hole from rust, from the tap water that people used to cool his poor veins. So I searched for a motor to replace it, and I ended up putting the 1.6 in the 307 from 2005 or 2004 i think. And IT FRINKING RIPS, shitty looking car, absolutely unassuming, I can park it anywhere and nobody looks at it twice. But the Smiles it brings to my face, o SIIIIR, is by far my favorite car, it weights nothing and is PERFECT in the weight to power ratio. Controlable, but fast enough to scare you a bit. It would be perfect if I could get a quicksilver or a vts transmission with 6th gear If I could, I would transplant the same care into a 3 doors 205. That's my dream car I think. Cheap to maintain, feels weightless and looks like any old car in the road so as long as you keep it nice enough, you can park it anywhere and drive with a smile on your face both ways.

If you really want to push it, you could swap over the whole intake manifold and injectors from the saxo vtr. The throttle valve, plenum and intake pipes are all bigger and the injectors have a higher flow rate. Plus it’s all a straight swap

I had the 106 Peugeot from 1992, prior facelift, also with 60 HP, by the way without that air flow restrictor. I was always wondering how fast this car runs in this time. On German Autobahn, 185 km/h. It was a rocket for me 😀

So that's why I still miss my AX and feel like I would pick it still over my current car which is supposed to have 72ps and only 88Nm!! I miss it even more now!!😢😢

I used to have a quite rare 1.8 16V 306 GLXi. It absolutely. vanquished my mate's 2.0 Astra.

11:08 isn’t the car strapped on to the floor/wall/something solid? 😳

All Hail the Mighty Dumpit! You didn't comment on it, but that dip in the torque curve at very roughly 2000rpm levelled out as you did more runs: and without the pipe, it seemed to disappear altogether. Your problems with the BBQ. The Ancient Greeks believed that the gods were fed by the smoke of sacrifices. There's a very funny play in which the birds build a city in mid-air (Cloud Cuckooland, no less) and intercept the smoke until the gods are starved into giving the birds what they want (can't remember what that was, now. Probably peace.) Anyhoo, you should take that BBQ smoke as an offering to you as a RU-vid god.

I love my Peugeots and Citroens hahahha... love from Brazil

AAAAAAAAH My 1.1 106 got scraped a few days ago because of a crash, youtube algoritm is just a devil 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 I miss it so baaaaaaad :(

Have you ever dyno'd a xu10j4 engine from that era? My Pug 306 XSI has that lump quoted at 135, but I've always thought that was modest

I had a "75hp" 309 1.4i. I've no doubt the speedo was optimistic BUT I did once keep it pinned on a long (slightly downhill admittedly) stretch and it got to just a tiny bit short of the limiter... in 5th. So maybe 6,400 rpm. Speedo indicated 122 mph. It would do 115 on the flat consistently. 0-60 was about 10s. '93 car, in '01. 70k ish miles.