WHY didn't he LISTEN?? | Korean Air Cargo 8509 

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The fact that the first officer never spoke up during the entire emergency is truly sad

Just wanted to thank you for all you do. My grandfather passed a few weeks ago, and the last couple of times I went to visit, we would watch your videos together. He’s always had an interest in engineering, whether it be cars, ships, or planes, but neither of us realized the other was interested in accident investigations. Your work will always be dear to my heart and remind me of the time I got to spend with him.

As someone who only knows what happens in the cockpit from RU-vid, i cannot comprehend this story. Captain had thousands of hours of flight, aware of the instrument failure from the previous flight, warnings both audible and visual, his inputs didnt match the instruments and FE mentioned bank, yet he didn't react in any way?! This is crazy

so sad how arrogance, pride, and selfishness was the reason that lives were lost... this is so prevalent in korean culture specifically in the older generations and this reminds me of the sewol ferry tragedy which took more than 300 lives with a majority of them being children. great video as always, mr. green dot!! :)

Hold up. The first crew had written in the tech log that if the captains ADI was switched to ATT, everything would be alright. He essentially told the maintenance crew exactly what to do in the tech log!

It still kind of amazes me that machines as huge and heavy as modern commercial aircraft ever managed to get off the ground at all!

It's crazy to think that the captain believed that the plane wasn't turning as he was requesting it to, yet he didn't initiate any sort of non-normal checklist to diagnose the problem.

I was at home 3 miles away from the impact of this crash and saw and heard the windows rattle from the blast.

I work for an aircraft maintenance company, and they used part of your videos in a saftey presentation I had to attend. I recognized the tone and everything as a regular watcher. Cheers

It seems to me, the mechanic should have been able to properly diagnose what was defective from what the flight engineer told him. He said the ADI worked fine once he switched the source. That would tell any reasonable person that the source is the problem.

As soon as there is a power imbalance in the cockpit, safety dies. Hierarchies are one thing, but a clear perception of tasks and mutual respect are what I understand by professionalism, whether on an airplane or anywhere else.

No crashes in 25 years since this crash is one really impressive record.

The incoming captain should have just left the switch in the ALT position for the next captain

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That maintenance engineer should not have needed to look up that code, the written note explained what was happening well enough.

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A sad story. But BIG kudos to the Koreans for owning up to their mistake and changing the culture within their airline. We should not take that for granted. Once they knew what was broke they fixed it. If only BOEING would think the same way :(

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I worked for a Asiana ground handling company for 9 long months. The culture there was amazing to watch. Aircraft captains were gods and nobody questioned them. Even the American born Koreans working there were scared to death of the Korean born management who ran the terminal. More…..as a licensed aircraft mechanic, I believe the Korean Air maintenance guy didn’t do his job as the flight engineers write up practically gave him the problem and the fix if he had troubleshot the problem correctly. Even the captain knew what the problem was and what the fix was. To have to go to a code book to figure out the problem was part of the problem!

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One of the reasons why it is such a joy to watch your videos is somewhat of an odd but reasonable explanation. You explain what might be the most devastating and even beyond shocking accidents in such a calm and logical manner, even the music and lighting of your videos are calming. Many people have a really hard time watching the 9/11 videos, even the mention of it causes shock-- I think how you approach accidents psychologically has done so much good. Thank you so much for your videos and for preserving our wellbeing,--truly. It’s almost as if at the end of each video you give everyone involved including the viewers of your videos peace from such tragedy. That is absolutely an art form of presentation and preparation to a much greater level than just “posting” a video.

There is no room for ignorance inside a cockpit, especially inside a time frame of 56 seconds....

Your channel is hands down the best aviation channel, you take the viewer through the emotions and situation, it almost feels as though one is in the cockpit.

There's a super cool teardown and demonstration of a 737 internal navigation gyro on here. Definitely check that out. it spins at like 37,000 RPMs and it takes like 20 minutes to stop spinning. Amazing precision engineering.

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Amazing that the first officer or the flight engineer didn’t do more to let the captain know he was screwing up bad?! Yeah, I understand the cultural thing. I’ve been to Korea and many other Asian countries. But when your life is in jeopardy, you make your position clear to whomever is responsible for it. All they had to do was inform the captain to look at the OTHER TWO working instruments?! Ridiculous and sad .

Still amazed that the ground engineer could not check the fault code elsewhere, e.g. phoning his maintenance base in Korea or locally in Stanstead. Also why wasn't there the usual aural warning "Bank Angle"?

This is a very accessible aviation channel. The focus on psychology sets it apart from other channels.

Former Korean Air driver here. Following the suit of many accidents involving FO feeling too much of power distance between him/herself with the CA, their flight ops manual specifically states that the pilot monitoring (in reality they meant FO not flying) can forcibly take over the flight controls from the CA after pointing out an unstable factor twice. It is an incredibly rare and almost unthinkable clause you could imagine finding it in the crew manual allowing a pilot to actively fight over the controls in-flight (considering manuals from well-trained CRM countries like the United States) but their history of crashing perfectly operational jets over CRM/Communication breakdown caused them to come up with such first-aid bandage over their historical, systemic problem. Korean's FOs had this old joke telling other FO colleagues that when the CA tries to pull "I got it" crap over an unstabilized approach, we would sneak upon to their throttle quadrant and force the TOGA power on them. It was all shits and gigles on the surface back then but thinking about it with a historical perspective, it still sends a chill down the spine realizing the clash between the western CRM concept and historical Asian hierarchy is still on-going to this date.

i started watching about 5ish weeks ago and i just about have finished every video.. you’re videos are awesome and i appreciate the effort. I can imagine editing and gathering all the info for these vids can be pretty time consuming. anyways.. looks like i just got home with dinner at the perfect time.

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Maybe the most impressive part about the aftermath of this tragic crash is that it made KA start implementing and following the international aviation standards much more closely. As a result they are now among the safest airlines to fly with in the world.

This tragedy is a stark warning to all types of work places where there is a known chain of command. All too often the power imbalance leads to one or more of the team deciding to no longer contribute even vital information to the person in charge.

i can't stop hearing the f word 😭😭 12:57

So sad with the hierarchy culture back then that the first officer would rather lose his life than to speak up or take control

I'm surprised that the Korean engineer didn't see the logic that if the ADI works on feed 2, but not on feed 1, it's probably not the ADI that is at fault. You don't need a reference manual or codes to figure that out. I'm nothing to do with the aircraft industry but if I were fixing something, I always used to draw out a logic diagram by which I could work out which faults were most likely to produce the symptoms before I started. It could save a lot of wasted effort.

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When competent people become extremely stubborn and not open for input or feedback, we have this outcome.

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This is an excellent presentation of the issue with the ADI and the INU. One of the best tech explanations I've ever seen!

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How could the clue that the ADI worked fine when in the alternate mode, not be a clue to the technician that the ADI wasn't faulty?

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Well done , there is a lot of work behind the scenes , graphic and post editing ecc I laughed when you say captain gave out to FO for not responding ATC, that’s very Irish way to say it ahah not everyone would understand it

Thank you green dot for your very informative and superbly articulated content.

I was thinking, “wow the push back tugs must be very powerful!” Before he said the push back tugs could push no further because it lacked the power to 😂

I’ve worked with Koreans before (LNG tank construction) and believe me.. this behavior was pretty common between Koreans to have this selfish “ shut up I’m going to do this on my own” and is so bad that they usually broke into fights verbally and physically with each other. Of course, not all Korean are like this. But as far as a fellow Korean told me this is basically a culture thing among them.

Just finished work, need a nap but definitely saved to my watch later list

This crash happened a couple of miles where I live. Back when this happened, I was actually on my way home from work in London. My friend, who lives 13 miles away from the crash site said that the impact shook his house. To this day, if you were to go for a walk in Hatfield Forest, where the 747 came down, you'll still find cargo debris strewn in a large area. Most of it is in the form of HP printer cartridge remnants.

It's fascinating to see a person so fixated on a problem that he believes his instruments when they say he's level, while his hands on the stick make it absolutely impossible that it is level.

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His videos always get better these days,Keep up the good work!

Haven't watched the video yet, but I know it's going to be another corker. Wondering if you'd consider doing a video on Air New Zealand flight 901 (the Mount Erebus disaster)? I think that could be a really interesting one.

SO EXCITED to see a new episode!

Your graphic design team deserves a raise. The animation is so detailed

That's why I always speak up when I see somethings wrong, regardless of who gets mad or not. My life is more important than your ego.

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Your work is excellent. Well researched and your voice is easy on the ear.

When there was no music during the intro, I was already writing a comment like "WHERE IS YOUR TYPICAL INTRO MUSIC BRING IT BACK !!!1!!!11", until, thankfully, it started playing just after the intro 😌

Love your videos! I recently heard about Pan Am Flight 103 and would love to hear that story from you. As always, great work!

great vids. production fundamentals are appreciated!

The standby attitude indicator does not get info from INS3 but is completely independent using gyros within the instrument.

I'm surprised there was no "bank angle" callout. Was this not available on this model?

This made me understand better about piloting a plane than the actual story. Thx for information 😂

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Very respectful analysis and conclusion of a tragic event.

I haven't even began watching, and the video was still loading, automatic like from me as always, lol. You are one of the few channels I care to give a like to, much less even waiting to discern if I should like.

That has to be one of the most avoidable crash ever ! 😯

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Thanks for another insightful video! I keep having to remind myself that the incident happened in less than 60 seconds. That's about the time it took me to write this comment. Watching this made me reflect on several times in my life when I wasn't aware of or wasn't paying attention to something that was reaching a critical and dangerous state. So far. I've been lucky when that happened. It's so easy to get distracted and focus on the wrong thing on this world of endless distractions and screens demanding attention. ❤

Literally, pride goes before the fall. A little humility and everyone would have fine and safe.

Another first-rate, professionally created episode GDA. Thank you. 👍👍👍

when you said that was like fate was preventing the aircraft from departing... it really seems like it. may all of them rest in peace.

I’m literally flying to Korea in May… But I love watching your videos even if it makes me scared ❤❤❤

I've been waiting for this excellent channel to cover this accident. I'm in Essex so was well aware of the situation on the very evening that it happened. I've been to the crash site since and there are still the odd scattered piece of Sony electronics, memory chips, and other electronics fragments that surface amongst the undergrowth in Hatfield Forest

There are times when I click too hard on a new video. This was one of those times. Great work as usual, Green Dot! 😎👍

Thank you for the upload :)

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Pls bring back the old intro sound, it was way more iconic than the new one. Nevertheless, a great video as always👍

Seriously well done as always. 👍

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I like to listen while i eat or do chores. I imagine the situation and its entertaining to me while i do work.