I was thinking that Obi-Wan saw the twins as reflections of their parents. He saw Luke as what Anakin could have been, and he saw Leia as what Padme was. I think Yoda just saw them both as Jedi.
I think Yoda saw Luke was very similar to his father which is a good thing, BUT also for obvious reasons it's also why Yoda favored Leia more. Leia had a lot more of her mother's qualities while also having her father's force sensitivity and other skills; which would make a more disciplined Jedi. In the end they both did great!
The Vader comics also had a moment similar to this, why Vader and the Inquisitors eventually stopped their Jedi hunting, it’s because there were so few at that point and the remaining ones on the blacklist so difficult to find, they were not worth the trouble and both Palpatine and Vader had other matters to attend to, like running a galaxy and Empire.
You two are always such a delight. I hope you're ok with people telling you (even the same person 😬😅) repeatedly how it's still refreshing to have your positive and thoughtful voices as a big part of the fandom. You both offer perspectives that feel like home for this lifelong fan.
Maybe when Obi-wan said, "that boy is our last hope" he meant "we" in reference to just the Jedi. Leia represents hope, but the galaxy's hope. The Rebellion's hope, the hope of regular people. Maybe Yoda wanted to pull Leia into the Jedi way and Obi-wan wanted her to be able to stay on her own path, the one she had chosen for herself.
And to add to that Obi Wan possibly believed that Luke was the only one of the twins to actually be able to kill Vader when the time came, ofc it turned out different anyway
The best example I have seen in legends is Palpatine takes joy in knowing some of the council members are running and hiding. It’s their ultimate pay back as the sith had to hide for 1000 years. And he wanted vador focused on building the empire not hunting Jedi.
As a long time star wars fan, I just wanted to say how much I really enjoy these q and a discussions and both of your insights into star wars. It's so refreshing from the usual negative space that is so prevalent at times in this fandom :) Amazing stuff and hello from Adelaide Australia. X
I think the deal with Wade is mostly to do with his death scene, the music and the way it's shot (and character's reactions) are quite dramatic, as if the moment was meant to affect the audience because they have an emotional connection to the character. In actuality, we knew nothing about him and didn't actually care, which made this seem a bit strange. The joke is people acting like they actually were as affected by the death scene as the show on some level seems to expect its audience to be, when nobody actually was.
Yeah! In the moment I was like, 'Wait, who was that? What'd I miss?' So I went back and rewatched the start of the episode thinking I must not have been paying close enough attention. Seeing that really wasn't the case, and he's just WADE, what else can you do but want to give him his due. Reminded me of Porkins a little. LoL!
@@PerovNigma obviously she cares but the question "where's Wade?" should've been something we just hear in the background. The scene emphasized it as if we should care. When really we dont.
Wade was the first actual death of the series. Some have argued online that there was no tension up until that moment. No big dramatic cost. The comedic yelling of his name, the fact his name is Wade. You have not heard his name through the entire episode, the name is yelled out. Drawing the reaction of. Wait, who is that? Was I supposed to care? Which just adds to the joke.
The point of that scene wasn't to feel so sorry about this particular guy just to show that in such an early attempt to fight back against the Empire losses are innevitable. But loss is such a new concept to these young pilots and they can't handle it. That was the point of that scene.
I remember Midway 2019 was able to use a motion cockpit to film scenes with pilots. I could see Lucasfilm doing something like that for Rogue Squadron.
q&a: we know she stopped training after receiving a vision her son would die if she finished it. so are we to assume that was a false prophecy planted in her head by grandaddy palps?
I've never interpreted that line of Luke being the only hope to mean that Luke's the only jedi out there. Just that he's literally the only one that can be powerful enough to defeat him. If any other jedi survived they wouldn't be any match
Q&A: How do you think Ahsoka reacted if/when she sensed Anakin’s death in ROTJ? Also, side note: thanks for turning me on to Force Center! Their stuff has been so fun to dive into.
Q&A: Do you think the grey battle droids on Kamino were captured and reprogrammed, replicas, or store-bought? I like the idea of the Kaminoans buying the cheapest battle droids on the market to train their soldiers against, only for them to be deployed against the _same_ cheap droids.
My thoughts on Obi-Wan's line are based on Obi-Wan telling Leia she would make a great leader some day. He saw Luke as the one to carry on the legacy of the Jedi, he didn't even consider Leia because he could forsee (not literally) a future where the things Leia was doing was even more important than just the Jedi. Obi-Wan said himself in ROTS, his allegiance was with the Republic.
Q&A: If the Jedi Council refused to enter the Clone Wars, would a movement similar to the Revan's followers form within the Order? If so, which Jedi would be likely to join it?
Personally I feel it would have (given how there were divisions in the Order regardless of what the Prequel Council chose) and in the Legends/pre TCW timeline, such a group would probably have a massive boost in support after Grevious began committing atrocities in battles like Operation Durge's Lance.
Question: Do you think any continuation of Obi-Wan’s story (whether a second season, a spin-off, or in another medium) might involve Kenobi making a visit to Yoda on Dagobah? Perhaps training for both of them for becoming one with the force. I don’t know for certain but I don’t think anything in canon states they never saw each other alive again after ROTS. May provide an opportunity to see “growth” in a morally defeated Yoda as well, which we’ve never seen (but might be derivative from Obi-Wan’s journey). Could lend more credence to Ghost Old Ben’s narratively “squishy” statement to Luke that Yoda trained him, beyond the training that younglings receive, and may provide a fun opportunity for the wisened student to teach something to the cranky and strange old master.
Wade: for me it's because we see how much Roken and the other characters seem affected that even one member of their tiny force has been lost, and then Tala says that line about them being soldiers now, losing Wade meant so much like now we are in the fight. And the fact that Leia is seeing all of this for the first time and one day she will lead troops into battle like this and lose some, like in the Last Jedi. For me personally thats the emotion that's stirred when I think of Wade, "Too many losses"
Q&A: What do you suppose grocery shopping is like in the Star Wars universe? On outer rim planets we see little local shops and bodegas, but I always like to think there's a space Cosco somewhere if you are buying in bulk to feed a whole freighter.
Disagree about the Y-Wing. The Ywing is more like an A-6. The equivalent of the F-14 Tomcat would be an ARC-170. Which I would love to see get the spotlight…
What Star Wars book, comic etc from the new canon would you like to see adapted to a Disney+ show? I’d say Bloodline would be a great one to have as a Disney+ series
Q&A: Do you think we could see some Inquisitors show up in Andor Series? I do like to see some more Non-Force Sensitives vs. Inquisitors fights in Star Wars.
Ahsoka has the potential to thread together Darth Vader's character Ark and connect the three trilogies. Anakin talking to Ahsoka about what he did and how he realized it was wrong would be a great ending for that character. Then Ahsoka could play a role in the offense of the sequels we know that she's interacted with Luke so she might play more of a role.
Regarding the "Wade wave," I think it has to do with Sully's reaction when Roken asks where he is. She just looks SO sad, and they hold on that shot for SO long, that you're left wanting to know more about the guy. Maybe one day we'll get the answers we need in "The Tragedy of Wade the Wise" or "Wade's World: An 'Obi-Wan Kenobi' Story." :D
Wade is a meme yeah Further explanation: the last minute or so of that episode was them mourning for Wade, a character who is so extremely minor that his death doesn’t actually matter. How can we care about him so quickly? So, it’s an exaggeration in itself, which is amplified as a meme.
So, you mentioned Top Gun Maverick's "trench run" as being inspired by Star Wars, but I think it's better to say Area 88 did that specofic type of ravine raid forst, followed by Ace Combat.
In the Ahsoka series, I (as I think many would) would love to see Ahsoka see Anakin's force ghost, maybe along with meeting Luke for the first time. So many emotions would be in a scene like that!
For Rouge Squadron, I really hope they use the Volume for the actors in the cockpit and do what the people did in The Batman for the batmobile chase, use it to simulate the background and move the cockpit around on a rig to simulate it moving.
Think of how messed up it is that Luke’s mentors, Yoda and Obi Wan, tell him he has to kill Vader knowing he is Luke’s father. They also kept that information from him because they didn’t want him to be conflicted.
Q&A: What happened to the systems that aligned with the CIS after the fall of the Empire? Did they join the New Republic or did they declare independence? Was there some sort of conflict?
I think Yoda saw Luke was very similar to his father which is a good thing, BUT also for obvious reasons it's also why Yoda favored Leia more. Leia had a lot more of her mother's qualities while also having her father's force sensitivity and other skills; which would make a more disciplined Jedi. In the end they both did great!
Q&A: could the novels being reprinted under the “Essential Legends Collection” actually be the stories that could, however loosely, fit in with the canon better than other legends stories? Some of them might be a bit of a stretch but it’s becoming more evident that Star Wars is less about accuracy than it is stories from certain points of view.
You say that Kylo Ren isn't a sith, and I know that's what the creators have said; but are they right? The relationship and conclusion of him and Snoke is as sith as it gets, and he's controlled by The Emperor secretly the whole time, trying to restore power to the sith. What are y'all's thoughts?
...BUT THE WEAKNESS!!!!!.... (that was my favorite line in all series, the more I re watch it and remember...so cool, that intonation in Vader's voice, ugh, chills!!!!!!!)
My personal interpretation is that Obi Wan always intended to train Luke, seeing as he was guarding him all his life. Perhaps he thought Leia’s life with Bail means she would grow up to inherit her mother’s legacy whilst Luke does their fathers.
I can’t believe you guy’s fav helmet removal wasn’t Anakin. That is one of if not the best scenes in Star Wars. The helmet cuts on each side of the helmet by Ahsoka and Obi ladino up to that makes it even better.
Good question. Possibly he was worried she would be able to tell Leia is Anakin's daughter and that might cause some strain between them. Not to mention, Yoda, Bail, and Obi-wan were trying to keep the twins a secret.
@@lyndsaybrown8471 At the end of the Ahsoka novel, I'm pretty sure Ahsoka meets little Leia or at least sees her... And, I'm not positive, but I think the book takes place before this time!
@@PadawanOfChrist It does, but she doesn't start taking a direct role in the Rebellion until Rebels, before then she is acting more as a spy, sending information and supplies anonymously.
Maybe Obi-wan just assumes that Luke will be like his father and Leia will be like her mother. In the show he always compares Leia to Padme before he compares her to Anakin. Also I can’t stand Rupert Friend’s Dr. Evil ass voice for the Grand Inquisitor lol he’s so goofy
I always interpreted yoda’s no there is another to mean Vader/Anakin. Obi Wan has given up on Anakin but Yoda has not. The hint is the blue light when obi wan speaks and the red light meaning Vader when Yoda speaks.
Perhaps he did care, but also his star pupil got his ass kicked twice by Kenobi. Palpatine was saying maybe it's best you stay away from that guy that very well could kill you the next time.
Q and A do you think in Andor or any upcoming show we’ll see the new stormtrooper armor from bad batch with the recruits? I like the designs I wonder if we’ll see in live action one day
The difference in Luke from Leia for Kenobi is just that Leia is royalty and Luke is a poor or humble farm boy. I think Leia would also be in politics and Kenobi focus is on Luke until the right time to be trained. Luke would have more in common with Vader from how they started.
I know the idea is that if Luke had killed Vader he would have turned to the dark side. But if he had killed Vader and remained on the light side (like we saw Jedi do countless times in the CW) would Luke have been powerful enough to defeat the emperor?
It's clear to me that the love for Wade is a meme that someone started, but then a few people unironically did like the character, and all of the sudden, there is actual Wade love amongst the Wade memes and it's getting all mushed together and confused.
I want to believe that Obi-Wan saw the qualities in the Skywalker children that reinforced why Luke was the “Last Hope.” Luke had emerged as a cunning pilot in a harsh upbringing that would give him skills to become a warrior. The “Last Hope” was the Last Hope for the Warrior Order of the Jedi. Leia was brought up on Alderaan with schooling in organizational and political leadership. Her path is one of the leader and not the warrior, which is much more important. Obi-Wan saw the need for this in people like Roken that shied away from battle but was needed in coordination of a rebellion. Luke’s path was the one to bring back The Order, while Leia’s path was the one to bring back The Republic. Obi-Wan understood that Leia could not to both and still be effective in either.
Also, Palpatine's concern that Kenobi might turn Vader is completely accurate considering Vader's own son eventually turns him away from the Dark Side. In fact, Kenobi working more to turn Vader then dropping that his children survived and Kenobi is protecting them might just be enough to turn Vader.
Do you think we will get a prelude series for Rogue Squadron in the same vein as the Tie Squadron comic tie in to Alphabet Squadron so the enemies have a face in the R.S. Movie?
I think Obi-Wan the show answered that. Qui-Gon answered, “you weren’t ready yet.” I think Obi-Wan was yelling to get thru in new hope. After the immediacy, Luke wasn’t looking or trying to make contact. So I think until Luke was ready, he couldn’t get thru.
Luke to lead the new jedi and leia to lead the new republic would be the polar opposite of palpatine leading the empire with vader as his right hand man
Following the “another point of view” logic around death, Luke did kill *Vader* in order to help resurrect Anakin. And that might have been what Obi-Wan knew needed to happen, but also knew, as good teachers do, that he had to prod Luke in that particular way. That’s I’ve always understood it. 🤷♀️
I have a couple different takes on some of what was discussed. TL,DR: nice discussion as always, though I have a certain point of view on some things. 1. I don't think Obi-Wan "forgot" about Leia as far the "last hope" line is concerned. Another reasonable was to read that moment is that Obi-Wan doesn't believe that there's time to start again from scratch training another Jedi to confront Vader and the Emperor. The Empire is gaining more power and the darkness from Palpatine is growing. I think Obi-Wan thinks Luke is the last hope because time is of the essence. Obi-Wan is a Force ghost. Yoda is on borrowed time to by ROTJ. There may not be a physical teacher available to train Leia. Luke needs to find a way to succeed. Now. 2. I also don't necessarily believe that Yoda and Obi-Wan wanted Luke to go kill Vader. I read that more as saying that Luke needs to understand and accept that he MIGHT have to kill Vader if it comes to that, and he must be willing, to quote Obi-Wan, to "do what I must". Yoda never uses the word kill when talking to Luke. "One thing remains. Vader. You must confront Vader. Then, only then, a Jedi will you be." The Order used to tailor a Jedi Trial to the individual Jedi. Confronting Vader, the possibility that he might be beyond saving, that he might have to fight him, is Luke's Jedi Trial. Obi-Wan is very clearly pessimistic about the prospect of getting Anakin to come back. When Obi-Wan tells Luke, "The the Emperor has already won.", I think he's saying that Luke must be willing to trust the Force and do what must be done. For light and life. Even if that unfortunately means killing Vader. Luke needs to confront the dark side represented by his father and the Emperor, and overcome it without giving into and joining it. That's exactly what he does. The moment Luke takes the mantle of Jedi is when he has successfully confronted and rejected the dark side. Anyway, just some thoughts.
My take... headcanon, whatever... is that Leia inherited more of her father's darkness than anybody realized. On Bespin, when she still saw Lando as a traitor... She was not only going to let Chewbacca strangle Calrissian, she leaned in to get a better look and taunt Lando as he died. "Bloodline" touched on Leia's frustrations and desires (understandable but kept in check) to just wipe out her adversaries. The recent "Tales of the Jedi" added a cautionary example, for me: A fully Force-powered Leia is potentially another Dooku.
I think Obi Wan senses that Luke is stronger in the Force than Leia! At this point Obi Wan is one with the Force and Yoda is not. So I believe Obi Wan has forseen a version of the future where it is Luke is the one who defeats Vader.
Old Ben talked to Leia and saw her mother. Boom, Leader-Capital "L". The Boy? A killer like his dad. That's real sad take-a-away. Lack of Vision. Maybe he needed more "Living Force" to see individual potential, rather than destiny. Great channel. Thanks.
Q@A: Would you like to see Sequel Trilogy planets appear as battle zones in the Clone Wars? I think having this, say, a battle on Crait between Clones and Droids with Rex and Mace Windu or Anakin and Obi-Wan fighting Dooku on Takodana would be awesome!
Q&A: Why didn't Owen and Beru change Luke's last name to Lars adter the empire took over? Leia always referred to herself as Leia Organa but Luke referred to himself as Luke skywalker.
That’s just a side effect of the prequel retcons. Owen and Beru should have named him Luke Lars and told him he was their kid - the way Bail and Brea raised Leia (though she knew she was adopted).
Going with the 6 movies, I think Yoda saying the other hope was Leia was in case something happened to Luke or if he ever turned to the Dark Side then Leia would be the chosen one.
What if Vader, in pursuit over Obi-Wan, discovers that he did not kill Padme? It would be a very general conversation between them. Only three people where there when Padme died. Obi-Wan could fill in the blanks easily without admiting to the birth of a child. Surely the Emperor would not want to risk that conversation!
Q&A: Do you think we’ll get to see live action Kanan in Ahsoka or whatever comes after knowing that we’re dealing with Thrawn and Ezra? Either as a Force Ghost(yes I know he didn’t get the training but hearing him in Rise of Skywalker I think opens that up still) or as some sort of Force Vision by Ezra?
Q&A: If he could come back into canon, what if Galen Marek returned to Star Wars as a strand-cast? The perfect vessel into which Palpatine would transfer his essence until, much like Rey decades later, this genetically engineered heir to the Sith legacy also became a Jedi and sacrificed himself to save his friends while causing some significant damage to the Death Star’s super laser (which once repaired we see being placed back onto the battle station in Rogue One).
Yoda only says Luke must "confront" Vader. Obi Wan does seem to imply he wants Luke to kill Vader. Since we love writing content on the storyteller's behalf, I can imagine that Obi Wan was continuing to manipulate Luke and merely wants him to _attempt_ to kill his father as part of a foreseen redemption arc.
Would’ve appreciated a spoiler alert for Top Gun… nobody died? Well I haven’t seen it yet and I did NOT expect a Top Gun spoiler while listening to a Star Wars show. Unbelievable.
if you want SW + Top Gun vibes the Gundam series " Stardust Memory" is basically that. Gundam in general has tons of great 'pilot-in-the-cockpit' stuff.
Question: Do you think the Ahsoka series will start right after we see her in Book of Boba Fett? Or do you think the show could start with a flashback from when Erza saved her? If Erza is the show's macguffin, maybe this could be a good way to introduce the character to the people who never watched Rebels. Or do you have any guesses of how the show could start?
