Why didn't Sauron make another Ring? | Lord of the Rings Lore | Middle-Earth 

Here’s what Sauron (and especially Melkor) should have done. Teach then trick other Maiar into crafting rings of power into which they pour their essence, and then take the rings. If dozens of Maiar did this, Melkor/Sauron could have greatly increased their power without any risk of losing their own. Melkor should have never poured himself into Arda, instead focused on gaining power this way, and eventually assassinating Valar one by one by pushing them out of the Door of Night. Eventually the strategy would change to revealing true nature and just taking them face on.

@@denislemenoir Agreed! The only problem is morgoth was so angry at Daddy for being humiliated in front of his peers that he went all hell bent on corrupting their creation..... But yes he should have sat back and waited but obviously he was too passionate in his hate.... But you are correct that would have been off the charts powerful because how many Maier equal a Valar? 2 or 3 or maybe 10? It's unknown however when morgoth was being assailed by ungoliant he had become overwhelmed now whether you believe ungoliant was a Maier or personification of the void or the discord.... If she was Maier who became too powerful much more powerful than the chief Valar himself (as stated by Eru himself).... And later she was overcome by numerous balrogs... That could mean that two or three lesser spirit equaled one greater spirit so if ungoliant was three times the power of morgoth then the balrogs would have had to have been at least combined greater than her, and if she was three times as powerful as the chief Valar.... There would have had to been a minimum of 12 balrogs to dispatch her..... Which they did and it could have been even greater than 12 ( it could have been around 50 if we consider morgoth being the chief Valar.... He was 10 to 20 times more power than your standard Valar so Ungoliants power must have been off the charts) Imagine All that power like you said from all those Maier into one ring..... Morgoth himself being the chief Valar in Power and having all of the other attributes of the other Valar was able to fight against all of them for untold ages..... As told in the first book of the silmarillion.... So that would have made morgoth second in power only to Eru.... So possibly morgoth was ORIGINALLY possibly 16 to 20 times stronger than the other Valar in the beginning of his dissension...if that was the case then if he held back and waited for the other Valar to expend most of the power into Arda then create some form of ring from other Maier he would have only been overmatched by Eru himself and could have taken on ALL of the Ainur then descend into Arda in Mega power form...... But he put all of his power into Arda and his creations in squandered all his gifts.... But one thing's for sure in the end he did win because he forced the Valar to flee outside of Arda and completely corrupted it.... Even him being out in the Void and Sauron greatly diminished....he was still victorious..... Because by that time the Valar who opposed him were even more diminished than he was....

But why did he create the One Ring in the first place? He had all this power, what benefit was gained by placing this power in a ring?

@@kevinearley1991 I've always interpreted that the ring focussed his power into more violent, oppressive abilities. So it increased his power when it came to domination, but subtracted in some other ways Sauron didn't really mind losing.

i dont know if this could work in this story or not but he could trick other elf's and observe they powers into the Ring and then he use it to gain more power instead of using his own power to create one . I think he was so selfish and arrogant that he did not think he would die one day or lose the ring. he could put the ring in his body to never loss it in first place. i also think Sauron should give his power into an Indestructible object like the sun . but i dont think he had this much power but who knows maybe another story another Villain lol

Deep!

And why death and divorce take a terrible toll.

The quintessential Magnum Opus.

And Galadriel only made one Phial

@Christian Ogara IIRC she made it specifically for him.

*Frodo's suffering intensifies*

I have one finger for that answer :~)

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Gollum: Two preciouses!!!!!

So Sauron should actually be a nice chap without that ring?

@@origami83 He still had hatred, pride and arrogance left.

@@hydradominatus3641 True true, maybe he could have that second ring with that!

@@origami83 Okay, so the solution to anger issues is to forge a ring of power

@@fisch37 Well perhaps it could be in middle earth if you are a demi god. Maybe someone can make a video about it!

Very interesting take. About Sauron gaining the ring, the elven rings would lose their power, weariness would fall upon them like a mountain, and they would bolt to the West and leave for the Undying Lands. In other words, no "Gil-galad" to take Sauron down again. I think if Sauron ever repossessed the Ring, the Valar would probably have to come and take him down themselves, like they did to Morgoth.

He lost from very beginning

Because Sauron was extremely weakened by Eru Illuvatar just before the Battle of the Last alliance. "Sauron was, of course, 'confounded' by the disaster and diminished *(having expended enormous energy in the corruption of Númenor). He needed time for his own bodily rehabilitation,* and for gaining control over his former subjects." [The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien (Letter 211 to Rhona Beare)] "Therefore, after a time he made war upon the Exiles, before they should take root. Orodruin burst once more into flame, and was named anew in Gondor Amon Amarth, Mount Doom. *But Sauron struck too soon, before his own power was rebuilt,* whereas the power of Gil-galad had increased in his absence." [Appendix A. (I) The Numenorean kings (i) Númenor, Return of the King] -How Fingolfin managed to injure Morgoth? Because Morgoth was extremely weakaned. -How Elendil and Gil-Galad managed to injure Sauron? Because Sauron was extremely weakened by the creator/God.

@@skillZ141 that's not that true

@@_semih_ Eru Iluvatar never weakened Sauron or Morgoth. They weakened themselves. They poured out all their power and malice into other things. You may be able to blame Eru for making them that way, but He did not weaken them directly.

I think Sauron even deliberately saved some of his powers by instructing the Noldorin smiths to create the rings of power themselves, that their and not Sauron's creative potential would pour into 19 rings. He abused their once-in-a-lifetime creation 🦾

@@Crafty_Spirit If the elves have this hypothetical power, why don't the Elf Lords pool their power and make even more powerful rings after they learned of Annatar's treachery?

@@Enerdhil Well because they spent their potential already... it's the same answer as the one for this video. And what do you mean by hypothetical? 😁 My point is that creators in Arda, be the Ainu, Elv, or Dwarv, can create their masterpieces only once and that Sauron's treachery goes beyond magically attacking them with the Ring after feigning friendship for 300+ years. He basically tricked them into spending some of their unique creative potential on treacherous and cursed artefacts. I don't know if that is possible to pool the essence / creative power of several elves into one artefact. I mean, the two trees were created in cooperation by three Valier, so perhaps there is a way for Elves to imitate that. However, if they were to succeed in forging a ring that would dominate the One and actually use it, they would be corrupted in their ow way. The Elves of the Second Age under Gil-Galad did not desire to dominate others, the rings were created with the promise of healing and slowing decay. I don't think even Fëanor would have fallen so low as to fight Sauron with Sauron's methods, though perhaps one of his middle sons would have been interested in that.

@@Crafty_Spirit I agree with almost all of what you posted. I just don't think Sauron saved any energy making the rings. I think he poured out a lot of his energy into making the Rings of Power. How else could he have controlled the possessors?

@@Enerdhil That's true, because the Elves presumably poured some of their essence in the 3 and 16 rings and because they are mighty, Sauron needed to put an extra amount of energy into the One. He did not safe energy in the numerical sense, but he saved it in the sense that he could control the dispensed energy better through just one artefact. That is not what I initially meant when I posted the comment you refer to, but I had some further thoughts following your remark 😁 Let's say instead of creating the One he creates the 16 and pours some of his essence into each of them. He thereby invests less essence than for the One who costs more to be effective. There are however two serious downsides to this: One, he has less effective control over his power - instead of wielding one artefact, he hands out 16 to other individuals. Two, the people who receive the Rings are out of his control yet. The Rings may enslave seduced men, but if you give it to a powerful Elv lord, he could reject the ring, possibly master it, or even destroy it without casting it into Mount Doom. So I think we can say that Sauron encouraged the Elves to make the Rings themselves partially because he did not want to sacrifice a part of himself on rings that could slip out of his control easily. He poured most of himself into the One because he thought that there would be no safer vessel for his power, and he was absolutely right in that - it was even safer than maintaining that power in his body.

He could have started his own special edition jewelry line

@@GeekZoneMT He still has a chance..... Just in time the LotRonPrime next year.

That would make him the Lord Of The Necklaces. Doesn't have quite the same... _ring_ to it. ... ... 🤦🏻‍♂️ I didn't mean to make the pun at first, it was just a GoT reference. Don't get up, I'll leave.

@@DeathMessenger1988 I think the OE, might be Se Frea Hringa or Se Frea Bula. But I don't speak Old English. And the G. Sa Frauja Figgragulde or Sa Frauja *Halsagulde.

Or even worse, he loses the ring but the ring is not destroyed and because he is far weaker he end up being dominated by the ring and his new beared, in the end he becomes a less powerful version of a ringwraith.

... I guess Sauron would then have vanquished with Númenor or the very last when he would be overthrown by the Last Alliance 🤔

morgoth is really the only one I see restoring sauron

@@howdareyouexist not even Morgoth lost the lions share of his valar powers when he corrupted arda

Thats an incredible comment, what a good thought! Just reading that and imagining it in my head it seemed so incredible.

But chaos prevents people from properly worshipping Sauron. I think he was too vain for such prospects 🤣

Only on that mission. His other works show that they could leave with their full powers if they want to. Just look at sauron as proof. He also lifted Gandalf the whites restrictions to the point Gandalf could have beaten sauron and forced his will from the ring if he wanted to. That is according to tolkien himself in one of his letters

Eru was a non-interventionist, he didn't really have a lot to do with direct influence on Arda, that was the Valar and Maiar's job, we only know of him actually commanding anything once, when he ordered the Valar to invade Middle-Earth to fight Morgoth. He was content to let things play out without feeling to much need to directly act except when Morgoth threatened his creations most seriously. It was by order of the Valar that the Wizards couldn't unleash raw Maiari power. Then he sent Gandalf back, that was his other direct intercession, but it wasn't on a command but rather because he wasn't done with his mission yet. He also probably yeeted Gollum off the cliff of Doom. He largely wanted the people of Varda to fight for themselves with only as much assistance as needed to guide them. Eru kind of became a recluse while waiting for the Second Song.

@@chriswilder9719 What other mission? Isn't the sole purpose of sending the Istari to aid the people of Middle Earth in resisting Sauron. Each wizard went about accomplishing this in the way each deemed most fit. Gandalf the white's increased power level further demonstrates the point I was making.

@@guardduvie I was saying their power was only restricted on the mission. They were free to go to middle earth if they wanted but only on the istaris mission was it capped. It was never said if the blue wizards power was limited when they traveled to middle earth on their own before the mission was declared. Saurons power wasn't limited when he betrayed the valar neither was any of the Balrogs and all are the same as the istari. As the person who commented after me said Eru didn't place the limits he only lifted Gandalfs. Also Eru isn't some deity that wills everything to happen. Arda isn't what he wanted and had left it to the valar and the others. If gimli wanted to he could have tried to kill frodo not because Eru willed it or allowed it but because gimli would have made the choice. He didn't allow sauron to make his ring sauron decided to do it

Saruman DID make a ring, but was no longer Saruman the White as a result. Remember last the conversation he had with Gandalf before he was revealed as a traitor: I am Saruman Ring-Maker… the many colored. …

Morgoth poured part of his immense power into Arda,corrupting it,which is what Sauron did on a smaller scale with the ring of power

Arda became his ring sadly it was badly designed ring as Morgoth didn’t get his old powers or a boost

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Perhaps the Nazguls were both busy searching for their boss's one ring and directing orc and Uruk-hai souls to the underworld...I mean there is one right?? But if not I do pity them for being glorified for all badass and terrifying badges of honor and yet couldn't capture 4 hobbits...lol But either way, Love the movie especially the book. 9 Nazguls voted me out. Couldn't blame them for trying aye

Things (including lifeforms) being "made" is a reflection of Tolkien's religious beliefs. His mythology directly parallels his personal belief in a single Creator, with everything cascading from that.

Or he would just regained the power he lost making the ring. Plus, minus, zero.

Sauron was never afraid of Galadriel. It's a fanfic

@@_semih_ Do your research before making inane statements. 🙄

@@markkettlewell7441 I'm sick of these Galadriel fanboys lmao

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@@markkettlewell7441 dude, I'm not trolling but anyway bye lol

it wasnt the rings, it was the dwarves themselves. they are strong willed creatures so they could not be dominated. the rings however did corrupt them in making them have delusional levels of greed

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Hi 😀 I agree mostly but have two remarks to this: 1. Perhaps Sauron did not consciously decide for the ring to save him from irreversible physical death and the decision to ensnare and dominate the Elves was the primary motive. 2. You can also kill Sauron by mastering the Ring, and some individuals during the war of the ring are powerful enough to achieve this.

@@Crafty_Spirit Hey there friend.....I would pretty much disagree with your second remark. Gandalf, Lady Galadriel, Lord Elrond, and pretty much many more clearly state in the movie and book that none other than Sauron himself can master the ring. If indeed someone powerful intends to will the ring, it would corrupt his/ her heart, will, and power to do good. The ring of power is more like a Computer virus, where it destroyed the whole computer system from WITHIN. It has the power to corrupt, dismantle and control anyone who wills it without him/ her knowing the changes evolving around and within. Who knows...maybe whoever wills the ring could be more evil and corrupt than Sauron was. On the other hand, I would like to know whom you think that can master the ring apart from Sauron, and please do explain how.

@@thyservant07 Hello :-) Tolkien discusses in Letter 246 (or watch this other video by Geekzone: m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-fCW0DeYmCbY.html) the possibility of Gandalf mastering the ring. I also recall a remark by him that perhaps Elrond or Galadriel could have achieved the same but can't remember the source now. You are correct in saying that the Ring would corrupt them but they would have a chance of replacing Sauron (and that would be his end). From the books I recall vaguely that characters said rather than that the Ring cannot be mastered, that its evil purpose cannot be changed. It is formulated less clearly though than the advise to never attempt to use it to dominate others. I mean, consider this: if it was impossible for the Ring to be conquered, then why does Gandalf claim that Sauron's biggest fear was that someone powerful would challenge his position as Lord of the Ring? He can be patient, so he could have simply waited until the Ringbearer would succumb to him. Instead, he is very worried when Aragorn fools Sauron into thinking that Aragorn would have the ring. And Sauron did not account for the idea that someone would want to destroy the Ring. Galadriel says that the Ring offered to her was tempting, and she in her foresight and wisdom does not predict that she would become a slave to Sauron but that she would replace him and be distinct from him (though apparently also evil in the end). So to stick with your virus metaphor: I think the corrupting code of the Ring cannot be changed, but the administrative rights would be overwritten. Evil would triumph but Sauron would be rendered powerless. Sauron is not idealistic - he does not rejoice at the idea that no matter what and who, there will always be a dark lord or lady - meaning that he very much is bothered by the prospect of losing almost all of his power to a successor. I speculate that the process of mastering the Ring is dangerous, arduous, and without a guarantee for success. When Galadriel speaks to Frodo about using the Ring to read other's minds, she seems to indicate that this requires mental exercises and I think (not sure on this) eventually an iron will directed at dominating others, too. I guess it is a similar process as adjusting a Palantir to your will, though much more perilous. As to who could do that... Tolkien drops Gandalf's name in letter 246, in the book Galadriel implies that she has the potential to do that, and I think Tolkien at some point also mentioned Elrond. I don't think that any Man not even Aragorn could do it, but Sauron seems to consider it at least possible. Saruman is an interesting candidate because he is a Maia, too, but I think he is very much about overestimating his powers, though he also has extensive knowledge on ring lore. So yeah, I think the book alone gives you the answer - Sauron very much acts as if the Ring can find a new master, even if only very few individuals are theoretically able to do that. I wish I could show you a clear quote where it says that this would destroy Sauron (he would not only lose power over the Ring, but all of his essence he poured into it - that results in the same as if the Ring was destroyed) but I don't have it now

It seems that they were a simply a personal project of Celebrimbor, for he wasn't aware of Sauron's deception while making these rings.

@@GeekZoneMT, Yes, but if Sauron wanted to dominate the elves too…why not make elven rings? That might be a good topic for a future video.

Well I think initially while the Elves of Eregion created the Rings of Power, they were probably going to keep them for themselves or share them with their fellow Elves, and they only became known as the Rings of Men and Dwarves after Sauron stole them and divided them amongst these races.

@@GeekZoneMT, Yes, but why would Sauron only create rings of power for 2 of the 3 peoples that he wanted to dominate? He approached the elves differently.

Actually, all of Annatar's rings should have been made to control elves, since they are the ones who he needed "extra" help to convince to join him. I always thought he planned to give the nine rings to elves until they discovered his deception. Then he had no choice but to give them to men. Am I wrong about that?

The exact 'mechanism' for connection and control is never really explained. Just as Tolkien leaves the 'mechanism' for most magic unexplained. We also don't know how the powers of the other rings 'worked', just the effects that they had. All we can say is that Sauron created both the design of the rings, and the method of creation. His goal with the rings was for them to be subservient to the One. So he must have somehow incorporated this feature into their fundamental design and manufacturing process. It being part of their underlying design is important, as it meant the ones Celeborn made alone were still subject to the One.

@@KeppyKep So the design itself, a, basic 'blueprint' if you will, has control in mind already. Disguised however so even Celebrimbor could not see this while making his own rings? I wonder what was that then.. Cause it surely could not have been magic? Well.. Celebrimbor had to 'enchant' his rings somehow and then he must have realised he is doing somerhing wrong? Or at least suspicious? Or did he give the rings to Annatar for any period of time so he could have performed his witchcraft over them?

@@ChamblesRNG I think the Rings of power build a magical network like the Palantíri as they all work in the same "frequency". That does not seem to be a problematic thing when you consider 19 Rings that are connected but have no master... Celebrimbor thus had not much reason to be suspicious until after Sauron created the One that introduced a dominating force into the network 🤔

@@Crafty_Spirit Yes but at the same time Celebrimbor was a master of his craft unmatched in history maybe save Feanor in his age. Surely then he would have seen that there is this pattern and mechanism in the rings. Wouldnt he at least question it? Had doubts about its purpose?

@@ChamblesRNG Well as said I think he realised that the Rings form a network but was not bothered by it or only little. He may have thought that they were even deliberately meant to establish telepathic connections to his Elven friends who would receive the rings, where is the problem in that? It seems he did not consider the possibility that Sauron would betray them and create a ring that would not only communicate through the ring network but dominate their members. People are sometimes not critical enough when you promise them what their heart desires 🦖 And it's also possible that the fact that the Rings formed a network was an inevitable consequence of them being created in one batch, with the same method, magic, and material. They seem to radiate magical power, so perhaps it's natural for such artefacts to connect with each other; Sauron knew that and it was a key component of his plan, while for Celebrimbor, it seemed like a harmless side effect.