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Why do so many top players use this grip?
Research document: docs.google.com/document/d/17...
Note: I didn’t include Vaxei’s area for the average area calculations because he changes it so frequently
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@KevinPan-tl6vn
@KevinPan-tl6vn Год назад
there is an explanation for this, since writing has become a common skill to be learned since childhood, some might start holding the pen with four fingers instead of the tripod grip for it to not fall due to the lack of force and practice, as education has become more lenient of the form as it focuses now more on the contents learned, many have kept the grip they used when younger, thus making it their standard, which obviously translates to using it when playing osu because it's easier to just use the grip of preference while writing
@darknessoffido1195
@darknessoffido1195 Год назад
People hold their pen like this while writing?
@colton..
@colton.. Год назад
@@darknessoffido1195 yes.
@blazewashere7479
@blazewashere7479 Год назад
@@darknessoffido1195 Yea I grip like all of the pros just by accident. The way I grip my pen is similar to how I write. So I just grip like that because its easier.
@danny-jo1rb
@danny-jo1rb Год назад
@@darknessoffido1195 yep I have been since i was little
@Rino9476
@Rino9476 Год назад
My grip is exactly like a normal writing pen
@kaijoon2483
@kaijoon2483 Год назад
I also use this grip, it's just how I hold my pen normally and how I write. I use an area of 53.5mm by 30mm. This grip is good for like very precise aiming but bigger jumps can be a bit difficult at times.
@aricin
@aricin Год назад
I changed my writing/drawing grip due to osu! I had really bad time with my previous writing grip
@studiousasian3166
@studiousasian3166 Год назад
same grip and same area :)
@Sad_Face
@Sad_Face 5 месяцев назад
you have 50mm and 30mm HOW ARE JUMPS DIFFICULT?
@Xoriai
@Xoriai 5 месяцев назад
hard to control takes muscle memory@@Sad_Face
@Mafkin77
@Mafkin77 Год назад
Thanks for showing on recommended page! I struggled a lot because of my old grip (my hand was hurting) and just after 2 days I can play as good as before without any pain.
@mizzix1622
@mizzix1622 Год назад
This grip feels ultra wierd, interesting that a lot of top players use it
@quim8930
@quim8930 Год назад
Nice video bro, it came exatly in the time I was thinking of changing my grip.
@Soko..
@Soko.. Год назад
This vid was great man i never even took the time to look at how most ppl grip their pens
@kahojin
@kahojin Год назад
With this video,i decided i had to change area(idk why), it fixed all my problems of hand pain and stuff i love u bro (im better it's been like not even an hour playing with this area)
@parfein
@parfein Год назад
The grip thats the most comfortable for you is the one you'll perform best with in the long run.
@shark20069
@shark20069 Год назад
I got used to this grip after experimenting with a lot of other grips. It's super comfortable but it's hard to copy a grip so you should try moving your fingers/thumb to what's most comfortable
@atirta777
@atirta777 Год назад
Great video! Finger length definitely affects how this grip works. I believe most of these players have short fingers compared to their palms. This grip is what i would play with cuz it's the most stable one there is but I have very long fingers so they would wanna go too low on the pen and i would have to use a really small area cuz of that :D
@XxMarkelOcendaxX
@XxMarkelOcendaxX Год назад
I might be wrong but in vaxei's first handcams his fingers looked super long and thin to me, no idea about the rest but I'm pretty sure my fingers are way shorter than any of these players (including mrekk probably, who's like 7 years younger G_G)
@Klyrrad
@Klyrrad Год назад
I used this grip since young for writing notes etc and jumping into osu with a tablet I can tell that it is very comfortable once you are used to the feeling :D
@silenth1806
@silenth1806 Год назад
I wish I could figure this grip out, it seems super simple, but it just feels super sluggish and constricted when I try it, good video either way.
@pleasecontactme4274
@pleasecontactme4274 Год назад
it takes like 3-4 days to learn, def worth it
@kyuruga1
@kyuruga1 Год назад
i write with that grip since since im a child so its natural for me to do this grip since i first bought a tablet lol
@pleasecontactme4274
@pleasecontactme4274 Год назад
@@kyuruga1 bruh how slow do you write lmao, that's straight up the most inefficient grip for writing
@kyuruga1
@kyuruga1 Год назад
@@pleasecontactme4274 my writing speed is average lmao
@riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
@@pleasecontactme4274 you can get good with any grip if you use it for your whole life
@Klisss
@Klisss Год назад
This looks fun, I'll give it a try for experiments
@peanauz
@peanauz Год назад
exactly how i hold my pencils when writing things as a left hander
@andemu_
@andemu_ Год назад
Nice video, make more like this i like the discussions and maybe it will help with my grip, tablet or aim mindblock because i tense the pen so much and aiming is uncomfortable overall , yeah thats problems after almost 8 years of playing this game
@qwuzzy
@qwuzzy Год назад
I literally cannot hold the pen like this, no matter what i try it ends up way different
@texture3738
@texture3738 Год назад
this is actually the first time ive seen someone else with the same grip as me, lets goooo
@Aesending
@Aesending Год назад
This is actually how I hold a pen while writing, so this style is really good for me.
@sian2005
@sian2005 Год назад
I spent some what seven months decrypting mrekks snappyness through his grip and I have discovered some key parts in the feel of the grip, finger placement and how to get it comfortable, like for example not aiming with your pen but pointing with your fingers or not absolutely crushing your pen xD But jokes aside this was really a challenge and I still need to get some more insights on the ring and pinky pushing the pen forward, and maybe the paper towel trick'll work. Idk maybe make a vid about this someday
@YSoAggressive
@YSoAggressive Год назад
Ever looked at the fact that he has a tiny area and drags? Most if not all drag players with a tiny area snap hard.
@sian2005
@sian2005 Год назад
@@YSoAggressive that's true, I do too have some tiny area and that also really helped
@francepilie9640
@francepilie9640 Год назад
I just changed to this grip, but just holding the pen a bit higher. Now my problem is more my wrist, but for everything else it's really comfy to use
@SuperSpeed52
@SuperSpeed52 10 месяцев назад
WOW nice one, i made my own comfy variation after trying it for the first 10 seconds, really grippy
@abaon
@abaon Год назад
i use a similar grip and my current area is 128x68, so it's definitely usable with larger areas since my pen doesn't slip as often and it's pretty easy to readjust without losing all control i've been top 200 for a while (10 months) and i can definitely say that it's very comfortable when it comes to all types of patterns regardless how complex or simple. definitely would recommend trying it out if you are having problems with grip
@Antside
@Antside 9 дней назад
Do you stream? Im wondering how tf you have such a big area with this grip
@meringue3288
@meringue3288 4 дня назад
that's the grip I used to write ever since I was a child
@ovassive5484
@ovassive5484 Год назад
This was my old grip too. Switched from ring finger as support to middle cause it kept on slipping. Didn't know back then that this was popular among top players.
@samcheer_7711
@samcheer_7711 29 дней назад
the slipping is so relatable. this is how i grip any kind of pen since children, and today i still using it for osu..
@soosoossos
@soosoossos Год назад
itd be sick if someone did a google form or somethin and top players could record their hand dimensions then send a pic of them gripping their pen, itd be pretty interesting to see the results, if there are any.
@wcz2891
@wcz2891 Год назад
meanwhile whitecats grip is absurd
@aztra9483
@aztra9483 Год назад
Calling these all the “same grip” is a disservice. I’ve tried all of them and they all have completely different points of pressure alongside feel and strengths. They all use different muscles in your fingers and force your fingers to stretch certain ways, making them all feel vastly different. And then the comparison to tunas grip at the end killed me since it’s so different compared to anything in this video
@tentaqsm9232
@tentaqsm9232 Год назад
Im holding my pen like a regular pen or pencil
@oneshotfox
@oneshotfox Год назад
This video is written like a high school statistics report
@someone9934
@someone9934 Год назад
That’s how I use a real pencil
@kaitro7
@kaitro7 Год назад
HUGO'S CLOUT DENIED
@xChocq
@xChocq Год назад
What a great video, lemme try to hold it like that with my mouse!
@Larfty
@Larfty Год назад
I don’t write or draw with my ring finger, but for some reason it feels natural on osu to use this grip
@jank_memes
@jank_memes Год назад
Ive been wondering this too when I first started to use tablet I used this grip
@kanekatsu_
@kanekatsu_ Год назад
This is how I also grip my pen, same with how i grip my pen for writing
@neavako5541
@neavako5541 Год назад
I use this grip with full area (215mm x 135mm) and I tend to hold the pen higher up than the players shown in this video
@-Bagel-
@-Bagel- Год назад
I basically hold mine in the same way I write, except I use the tips of my fingers
@pleasecontactme4274
@pleasecontactme4274 Год назад
not gonna watch the video (or maybe later lmao) but the answer to that is that you don't get pen slips by doing that pretty much every other grip is either awkward or has pen slips
@mintzs5128
@mintzs5128 Год назад
I really think pen slips is also affected by your reading, if your reading a map inefficient you will try to catch up with the notes making your pen move faster and faster to compensate for your reading making you grip more awkward, and in a perfect world where there is no pen slip, u use the exact speed needed to aim every notes
@pleasecontactme4274
@pleasecontactme4274 Год назад
@@mintzs5128 true but even so the difference caused by the grip is far larger, even with perfect reading you will get pen slips if you attempt warriors +dt (rx) with the common grip
@thejohnsanian1619
@thejohnsanian1619 Год назад
because they learned how to hold a pencil
@Butter7638
@Butter7638 Год назад
0:02 That's one helluva smooth way to call yourself goated
@FxeZii
@FxeZii Год назад
i use the same grip as xooty currently, i tried mrekk's grip and what i found is it seems to be easier to have snappy aim I still use xooty's grip cuz more comfortable for me, my writing grip was tripod after playing osu its changed
@sefeo0
@sefeo0 Год назад
I use some kind of this grip which migrated from writing to osu: I put ring finger on top of the little and they are both under the pen, index and middle same as in the video, and thumb is directed to the index, almost touching it. That looks really weird, but feels incredibly good, allows high precision with hover while preserving the speed
@welpyes
@welpyes Год назад
Vaxei on his way to change his area every second.
@xoo-
@xoo- Год назад
omg i literally changed to that grip on my own, the real benefit is if u get comfortable ur gonna get 0 carpel tunnel, and the minimized hand movement u have lets u get really comfortable
@Kamusta
@Kamusta Год назад
I learned to write using this grip but I learned osu I used very big alteration which was to use the end of my thumb to press it all the way into my index. I did come to the realization that I should try using my everyday grip and eventually only used that.
@vagranttt
@vagranttt Год назад
u made me switch my grip...
@droutikz
@droutikz Год назад
i used this grip for 2 months and my hand would be in a lot of pain if i played for more than 1 1/2 hr so i switched
@Daresn
@Daresn Год назад
I can use the grip, it just hurts after long periods of usage, my normal grip that I use is a bit different where instead my thumb is on the pen instead of around it. I use the same area as mrekk (66.4 mm x 45.24 mm) and I place my hand at the top of my tablet. I use an XP-Pen Star G430S tablet. This is also the same grip that I use for writing.
@hrku1666
@hrku1666 Год назад
I hold my pen on how i hold my ballpen for school
@brentthisis8279
@brentthisis8279 Год назад
ah yes how to hold a pen
@grayishgoose9972
@grayishgoose9972 Год назад
Another reason this grip is so good for osu is that it helps to isolate wrist movement and finger movement. One of the biggest causes for inconcistency in osu for me at least was that I incorporated some finger movement into horizontal aim with my old grip. For greatest aim consistency, your fingers should only be used for vertical movement while your wrist should only be used for horizontal movement. Since wrist movement is the weakest it makes horizontal jumps difficult which is why most top players have a distorted area favoring higher sensitivity for horizontal movement and lower sensitivity for vertical movement.
@Razorr.
@Razorr. Год назад
Is it weird thats its how i usually hold a pen and pencil when i write?
@biscottino2734
@biscottino2734 Год назад
Emilia hits in the bottom of my heart, he was the one who got me into osu! since the first video I saw about the game was his
@teazmosu
@teazmosu Год назад
ive been using this grip without even knowing it lol, its just my normal pen grip
@Catag
@Catag Год назад
Something I had to mention: badeu has changed his area to a larger one, confirmed by him on a stream.
@tannietf2
@tannietf2 Год назад
I'm a mouse player but whenever I play with tablet, I use this grip because it is how i hold a pen to write. Though a friend of mine told me the correct way to hold a pen is to use my middle finger at the bottom instead of ring finger, but I don't think I can change or will change my grip because I'm just too used to it already.
@Scrble1
@Scrble1 Год назад
0:48 Then there’s me on 152 by 95 with this grip
@wandering_bonzi4528
@wandering_bonzi4528 Год назад
I actually use this grip aswell, though I use full area hover and I'm not sure if I should use a lower area.
@qwertyzyz
@qwertyzyz Год назад
i use the same grip, just with the tip of the thumb instead of the lower part or something
@arya623
@arya623 Год назад
the largest area is around 130mm fixed (vaxei's latest area)
@donmeg1641
@donmeg1641 Год назад
Ahm isn't that just how you hold a regular pen when you're writing? I mean that's why I use this grip
@wohnie8008
@wohnie8008 Год назад
I don't think that's the grip most people use when gripping regular pens, but there's no "right" or "wrong" way to hold a pen. Some people hold it like this, some people (me for example) use a typical "pen between middle and index, thumb on top of pen" grip. It's just up to preference and hand shape.
@mango_c00kie67
@mango_c00kie67 Год назад
i find it really hard to hover with this grip even tho that's my playstyle and has been for like 2 years
@your_average_cultured_dude
@your_average_cultured_dude Год назад
in his last streams, vaxei used 120mm force aspect ratio, which is far larger than nick.
@luket8527
@luket8527 Год назад
probably cuz its comfortable
@EKKO_godz
@EKKO_godz Год назад
Idk if it’s a bad thing or just me, but I use a similar grip myself, and once I power through the first time my hand cramps, it doesn’t happen again.
@user-sp9ng3zy9r
@user-sp9ng3zy9r Год назад
Vaxie grip i was using my area is 130mm x 70mm. When i first use it my my thumb hurts alot like i stopped in a middle of a long map after a long run i use tape to make it comfortable a little and i gotten used to the pain. And im still trash at the game 😂
@geostol
@geostol Год назад
This is how I hold my pen and it’s just my natural writing grip. My area is 75.9 x 53.75 and it’s in the higher middle part of my tablet. I also drag for everything but hover to spin.
@bloosun
@bloosun Год назад
wtf i saw this in my recommended and didn't expect u to mention me gg edit: this is literally how i write with a pen normally and if my thumb nail is too long it digs into my index finger rlly hard :(
@lyptea6437
@lyptea6437 Год назад
goated
@Jnag
@Jnag Год назад
I'm using this grip by complete accident lol, been using it since I was a 7 digit I just found it the most comfortable
@demapping
@demapping Год назад
i use a grip very similar to this, between my middle and index finger, with my thumb tucked in. it was the only grip comfortable but also didnt let the pen loose (if i move it around with my left hand while gripping with my right it wont budge). the hand cramping is real, my fingers get really sore after playing for a while. i use a 47mm x 29mm area i think? i cant remember exactly. those who are saying its a common writing pen grip, it wasnt for me i hold writing pens differently and my handwriting with my osu grip is terrible aha
@owoflux6025
@owoflux6025 Год назад
Try using a 20 or so percent higher area and holding your pen higher up. I use a very similar area to yours but between middle and ring, and had the same problem, doing the aforementioned helped a lot though
@WhatShouldIPutHere22
@WhatShouldIPutHere22 Год назад
Lol, i use this grip and with this video I just realized that my area is very common.I use a 70mm x 47.72mm
@ciru.
@ciru. Год назад
pretty sure badeu hasn't used that area for a long time
@gyatan_0
@gyatan_0 Год назад
no one: me: I hold my pen with 3 of my bottom fingers tucked in, while my index and thumb do mostly all of the movement. someone: who asked..
@midoune2372
@midoune2372 Год назад
Actually when i first got tablet i was looking egonomic grips for tablet pen and there was a video in which he recommended this grip lmao
@zabbba
@zabbba Год назад
why do so many people use this background song and not credit lukrembo? thank you for being cool
@unknownceres5714
@unknownceres5714 Год назад
preference
@Rezeee
@Rezeee Год назад
The reason why I use this grip is because its the same as how I write, However i have my pen slanted to the left rather than upwards since I play on full area, it's easier to drag my hand across the tablet if i have it slanted rather than pointing downwards like mrekk. But I also noticed that the top students at my school also use a grip similar to this grip, literally I saw 2 grade A students next to each other using the same grip, it's just that their angling was different. I've also noticed teachers using this grip. There's just something beneficial about this grip, maybe grips aren't all preference and there is an objectively better grip? Do certain grips entail someone's academic ability?
@mamiveeuwu
@mamiveeuwu Год назад
didn't realize i use flyingtuna grip
@shock789
@shock789 Год назад
Nice! That's my writing grip
@peterkovacs9951
@peterkovacs9951 Год назад
Now explain to me how Whitecat aims with that spoon grip
@R4NBOOKA
@R4NBOOKA Год назад
I am using that grip 8.7k pp Feels really good and amazing for playing HR
@jeffersonsuarezvalencia8011
Whitecat's grip feel more confortable for me. I started using the grip from this video because it was how I wrote from childhood, but I started feeling really hurted on long maps, I tried putting tape on it but now the pen was too thicc. I decided to completely change the grip and I felt whitecat's comfy. I gotta say that I dont write with this grip, I still use the old one.
@antxnioo
@antxnioo Год назад
ayy, we got the same tablet
@SpedRockt
@SpedRockt Год назад
I have used this grip before, at first, I saw major improvement in speed but over time (about 1 month) my hand get fatigue, and feels like it's not very stable. I hold my pen very lightly with the help of grip tape but somehow it still slip. So I switched back and everything was great again. Guess this grip isn't for me lol
@Apple_Beshy
@Apple_Beshy Год назад
I discovered this grip 2 days after switching to tablet, I use this grip because I hover and I need to hold my pen firmer
@aldensavon2247
@aldensavon2247 Год назад
Is that the mofulity song at the end? Nanahira the goat. Also sick vid
@parfein
@parfein Год назад
frfr stan the hira
@4rc-en-ciel
@4rc-en-ciel Год назад
It's my natural writing pen grip lol
@connord8359
@connord8359 10 месяцев назад
I see why people talk about grips, but the reason why a lot of the area is in the top left is because resting hand would be off small tablets if it were centered or far right. Opposite for lefties. I made this discovery when I first got my keyboard
@flayhender7914
@flayhender7914 9 месяцев назад
i dont understand how you put ur index and middle finger in the vid i do the same thing as you but mine doesnt pose like yours (i think the problem is maybe the length of my finger) and because of that i dont feel any control i just dont understand how to do it even if its shown good in the video (sry for the bad english btw) (edit: i have a little area 67 but i dont understand how to move with your finger too)
@flashybangy
@flashybangy Год назад
i use this grip too, its really good
@iancruz8518
@iancruz8518 6 месяцев назад
lol that's how i usually write irl
@ritsuboii2130
@ritsuboii2130 Год назад
wait that's my grip like legit
@dootnoot6715
@dootnoot6715 Год назад
Yooo thats also my grip Idk how to hit corners or crossmap without playing on 50mm area tho
@LilMissWiccan
@LilMissWiccan Год назад
hell nnnoooo this is how i was taught to hold a pen by my dad,, recently realized how weird it is so i changed to a normal pen grip. its helped my art tremendously but now i see i need to go back to that original grip for osu. im fuckin dead
@fihe_
@fihe_ Год назад
I don’t use this grip The grip I use is kinda like how I hold my chopsticks
@minhhuynh5849
@minhhuynh5849 Год назад
when top players hold their pen like a normal person 😱😱😱!!!
@purifly7352
@purifly7352 Год назад
Its simply because its how i write with my pen
@Kaguwah
@Kaguwah Год назад
Mrekk has 3 fingers on the pen and uses pinkie to help adjust
@Kaguwah
@Kaguwah Год назад
So I’ve taken his grip I find using mrekk vaxei flying tuna was all painful at first got used to it then pop off abit but equally I got the same control on it n all that stuff currently on mrekk grip phase
@obscuredood
@obscuredood Год назад
i don’t even play osu but i literally just been writing like this since i first learned and i thought everyone wrote like that but apparently noy
@markeb1312
@markeb1312 Год назад
This grip gets used because you get way more control with you being able to grip the top part of your pen with two fingers. For those who feel weirded out by this grip when using it, in most cases it would just be you not being used to it since it would take around 2 weeks to a month to get used to it, getting good at it would be prolly be more, or actually genetics diff where a nerve could get pinched depending on how u are built, longer fingers, something with ur joints, flexibility diff, or you really are just uncomfortable with it. It is practically the same with tapping technique, except there are lesser elements to take note of when doing such.
@szyszka6995
@szyszka6995 2 дня назад
i use normal pen grip, because i have more control from middle finger on bottom part of the pen, but everyone has their preference, genetics or something like that
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