Why Doctor Who Needs a New Rose 

Rose is still the best jumping on point with its stripped back approach that slowly eases viewers into the show I love season 1 it's my favourite series

Where is the shirt from please? We need that!

@@anamiarkait’s from RSVLTS, they have loads of great themed shirt lines www.rsvlts.com/en-gb

In my opinion i wouldn't want a new rose I don't like when the Doctor is in love with his companions

This and the following two episodes for the series 3 finale was my episode too haha. I definitely agree

Your first ep being “Utopia” is wild haha

I used to watch the old ones way back in the late 1970s all the way through the 1980s I didn’t see the movie in the mid 1990s

Yeah Rose, is perfect. But as he mentioned, because it's completely from the companion's perspective as well. I feel that's why "Blink" worked so well too.

I think "Blink" works as an introduction to the concept of the series - "watch this one episode and you will know if you are even interested enough to dive in". But it won't work as a starting point if you want to learn the lore etc.

I thoroughly enjoyed Series 1 on rewatch, it really works as a pretty self contained slice of the show

Series 1 is better than atleast half the revived seasons. At this point it's one of the few seasons that's actually worthy of a rewatch (minus slitheen episodes).

it's worth watching alone for "just this once, everybody lives" this one scene is the best introduction to DW

@@louisegraf491 true! Still my fave scene

@@louisegraf491 Episodes like The Empty Child and Dalek are the reason why Eccleston has always been my favorite doctor. Starting from Tennant, the "look at the hyper-intelligent goofball" seemed to be more and more prevalent in the doctor, though they skipped that with Twelve which went back to the more serious doctor for a bit. Eccleston's doctor felt real, like a character with a past that haunted him. They continued it with Tennant (as I assume they'd always planned for Eccleston's Doctor to have been the one experienceing those stories had he not left BBC, this makes sense), but Eccleston's delivery was great.

You're right, he's in so many episodes that it's worth getting caught up on him

xD

Is that like the scraggelers secret cousin?

Who tf is scongo

@@heisafraid what are you talking about?? Scongo is the best villain

Really excellent two-parter. Excited to get their in my rewatch.

That's a gag I really liked on paper but never felt like I could get right, but I've had multiple people compliment the delivery. So clearly I nailed it!

I’m not sure I get it. Am I missing a pun or is it just the contrast with feeling caught up?

when is it?

@@ericmarshall2991 it's at about 9:49

@@fuzzyalba5419 The latter, just the nonchalant way of saying "you know the drill, we do this thing, we do the other things, you know what's going on, Missy's in the vault" and you do a double take because who what where now?

I think every director needs a “Rose” or “The Eleventh Hour” of their own - their own starting point.

Hmm maybe not love and monsters.

I just wish that they would bloody hurry up with it.

I would be really thrilled to get an influx of new fans, not just because it would get me more RU-vid viewers

Doctor Who is in Disney+?

Series 1 is just a perfect slice of Doctor Who, the highlight of my rewatch so far.

It felt appropriately damning without being too cruel

@@Joe_Brennan_ It could almost be affectionate! Almost!

The Daleks is a banger, I think it's a real shame that they didn't go straight to Skaro after Unearthly Child tbf

Never skip 9!

We just have to hope that not too much of Series 14 hinges on what’s come in the 60th. It seems Rose might become a recurring character in Ncuti’s era, so we may be back to a “if you want to enjoy series 14, watch the 60th. if you want to enjoy that, you need series 4…”

@@Joe_Brennan_so true and a lot of the announcements we have gotten about season 14 doesn’t bode well for people like me who want the show moving forward instead of going backwards cause most of the announcements feel like the plot of the blue brothers movies of putting the band back together with the second movie having cameos from every major cast member from the original movie ho was still alive when it filmed in 1997 and it feels like Russell is doing the same thing I understand the 60th anniversary is supposed to celebrate the who series but it feels more a celebration is season 4 then the whole show not that season 4 was bad but it should be more the a celebration of one season

@@kevin10001 the 60th is for the fans, I reckon the new series will be the jumping off point for everyone the 60th is more like an advertisement for his era (old and new) I think

My suspicion is that he will use these Tennant and Tate episodes to say goodbye to the previous eras, fix any regrets he had from his own as well as (hopefully) mistakes from Chibnall, and set up for a reboot. Bringing them back right away and then getting rid of them will actually help resolve a lot of the tension from fans and put much less of a Tennant shadow over Gatwa, because fans won't be constantly asking "Is Tennant coming back?!"

Thank you for a great comment!

Honestly, the jumping-on point I've seen most commonly draw people in, is Blink.

My first episode was Dalek, too. My boyfriend has been watching and randomly explaining things to me and I was instantly hooked. We watched the rest of the season together and then I went back and watched from the start again.

I think there is a point you make in your comment that is more important than you think. New Who was written in a way to try and pull in American audiences (I think that is why my first episodes were of Matt Smith). I have watched some of Old Who, and it just doesn't appeal to me...that might be an unfamiliarity with the "Britishness" of it. Regardless, I just couldn't connect with it the way I can with New Who (even though I've had to have subtitles going because some of the accents are a bit much for this American to understand). I think with Disney behind it, perhaps a bigger American audience is in the cards...

I think the start of Bill's era is a great starting point too

Why do you think Eleventh Hour takes it over The Pilot? Is it the fact it's followed by three full series?

@@Joe_Brennan_ yeah you nail it on the head with the pilot. it's an amazing reboot opener but it's then just 12 episodes before it's all over and it's back to a new status quo all over again. 11th hour is the perfect intro to the themes of the whole moff era and to the 11th doctor. also i love it. it's peak.

@@Joe_Brennan_ and then i think 11th hour works better than rose does for a 2023 new fan simply because series 1 is SO 2005. i think its cheesiness, bad vfx and naughties charm is very endearing but i think it could be off putting to someone that is used to modern television. i think 11th hour on the other hand still feels more than current enough, the moffat era achieves a sort of timeless feel that dates it a little less than the rtd era, probably thanks to the fact that it is much less concerned with the modern era and home lives of the companions

RTD really went in with the knowledge that a lot of people had stopped watching it 20 years ago. Maybe if you where hot on continuity you recalled McCoy getting shot an turning in to McGann. So he only to bring back the basic bones of continuity, not go in to details about it.

I would highly recommend the Hartnell episodes. The very first episode (mini-arch) is a great intro and several of the other arches really nice to see the origin of so many ideas that defined the show. After that intro arch, It jumps right into the Daleks. Most of the arches are very well self contained and can be skipped if it isn't working for you. Ones with long running characters like Daleks or cybermen are more worth watching. Also the last arch with Susan and first changing of doctor are historic moments. For some silly fun, don't miss "The Web Planet."

@@barongerhardt It’s more of a case of recommending a few rather than trying to push through a season at a time. Even the best episodes have William Hartnell’s character gaslighting the companions and emotionally manipulating them. Was it just the thing back then? No idea.

Same for me. I think it really introduces you to all of the core concepts of Doctor Who because the Doctor has to remember it all himself! Excellent jumping on point in my opinion.

It’s great that I have some guiding you away from spoilers- have the big surprises/twists landed well so far?

Thank you! Maybe I could've touched on that a little more with regard to how random standalone episodes can do a better job selling the show's quality. But I suppose even then, you have to pick a "starting" episode at some point.

Yeah, I tried to watch s1e1 back on the superwholock era and I just didn't got it, the manequins just looked so random and weird that I didn't touched the show for 5/6 years. It wasn't until I saw world enough and time randomly on TV that I was hooked. Watching it again years later tho, I could appreciate it a lot more.

It’s superb

Overrated for me

I have faith too!

I don’t think anyone recommending Blink is necessarily suggesting that you then continue from there

@@Joe_Brennan_ fair, I just assume that would be the idea

I hope to deliver many more in the coming months

Anything you can sit down and watch with your family without having to explain anything is a real plus. As for the title and thumbnail, was hoping I'd be swarmed by people telling me NO or YES based on that alone, but clearly the clickbait hasn't quite taken effect yet.

@@Joe_Brennan_ the horror: you've cultivated an audience that actually watches the video before commenting!

The problem is the show isn’t as accessible especially to actually watch being locked away behind 3 paywalls so if u told someone to watch blink or the 11th hour as a starting off point then they would have pay for a max subscription if they don’t get a physical copy of that doctor’s era then if they want to see classic era they would need a Britbox subscription if they especially if they are in an area where Pluto tv isn’t in cause they have a classic era channel then to see the new content outside the United Kingdom u would need a Disney+ subscription so in an attempt to make the show more accessible they ultimately made it less accessible especially with the classic era being so expensive to acquire physically

I actually think The Eleventh Hour is a shockingly good jumping-on point. It introduces a new Doctor and companion all in one episode, and a strong one at that. There’s not a ton of callback to S1-4 right away, so you don’t feel like you’re missing too much. It’s also aged pretty well, whereas parts of Rose are wonderfully campy (mostly the computer scene). Furthermore, S5 also has the rapid-fire lore episodes. The Eleventh Hour is a great introduction to the characters and the Tardis; The Beast Below shows the depth of the Doctor’s age, isolation, and mercy; then as soon as S5E3 introduces the Daleks pretty well (Dalek is a better episode to introduce the Daleks, but it’s still good). Episodes 4 & 5 are fantastic! Weeping Angels, River Song, just a very strong 2-parter! I partially disagree with the argument that you have to see Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead first). While it is preferable to seen River’s sacrifice in the Library, they never meet in order and that’s part of their dynamic. Even if you don’t know about how her story ends, the episode spells out the idea that she’s “someone from [the Doctor’s] future,” heavily hinted to be his wife - “Mrs. Doctor from the future.” I’m not saying S5 is a better jumping-on point than S1E1, but I do think it’s still a very strong option.

That's INCREDIBLE commitment. Unearthly Child after just three episodes of New Who. I'm so impressed.

@@Joe_Brennan_ haha but it’s not the way I recommend to others by any means, three NuWho eps, three classic stories and a seven episode recon before you know it. Easy way to turn someone away, especially as a high school freshman at the time. But I stuck with it and here we are ten years later almost through Classic for my second time, just finished Season 24 last night but this time I’m including all expanded media year by year, so I’m also listening to the 1987 novelization of the Ark, the 90s are going to take forever

Thank you very much! That's a very kind thing to say.

Really happy to be here, and grateful that there's any interest

I'm so glad to be back! I'd really love to get back to the podcast, I'm still great friends with Tom. I just need to get back on my feet with the videos a bit before figuring out how/if I can make it sustainable.

Thank you very much! This is a lovely comment

Haha I was exactly the same while editing. Got stuck watching some of the clips I sourced.

I’m not sure I said that

You did tho@@Joe_Brennan_

As I said in the video, we take for granted just how well that episode handles the introduction. The whole series is as close to perfect as Doctor Who has ever come.

@@Joe_Brennan_ yup. Every time I come back to it still is just 👌. But the cars in the background shots are looking dated now! Hang on, that’s not supposed to happen…. And of course I have the tardis shaped dvd box set and the shoot script book…

Really grateful for the warm welcome!

It's good to be using my voice again!

I was always so excited when something connected the two eras of the show, like Dickens in Series 6. But at the same time, something like River feels like you’d rather be all caught up than left behind.

Thank you so much!

Thank you for the lovely comment!

Thank you very much!

I probably should've mentioned Doctor Mysterio as a Series 10 prelude, it works quite nicely as that. The Nardole carry-over is no more confusing than it is in The Pilot

@@Joe_Brennan_ It's a great prelude, and it also serves to only mention River and tease who she was to him (opening another opportunity for intrigued new fans to go back and find out who she is/was)

I absolutely loved series 10. I agree that it has many, many strengths and acts as a good launching point.

I’m glad you did too! I thought the title was provocative enough to catch attention, while not actually being misleading

So am I!

I think that’s a really great point, and I’m really hopeful that’s the kind of vibe we’ll be getting from the introduction of Ruby.

joe mama?

It’s like I never left

The parallels between Season 5 of Angel and Series 10 of DW are plentiful. I love them both.

It’s nice that there’s anyone still here!

Rian Johnson content will come, and it’s nice to know there’s amore least one person who will watch it

That's very funny, I probably have more views on that channel than I do on my own. That was a silly morning, going down to the beach with Ben and Doug so they could film some intro B-roll that made it look like they got out and about on the channel a bit more than they actually did. I'm glad you're still here on this channel, hopefully you can start to see me on my own videos bit more often going forward.

Very similar time to when I started, having the show on Netflix made catching up so convenient

That actually is a good jumping off point.

I hope you enjoy! There’s so much to love

Three series with the Series 10 setup would be the dream

Agree. @@Joe_Brennan_

Thank you very much, I'm so glad

For me, Chibnall’s era wasn’t terrible for me due to a status quo change, but due to a heavy decline in writing quality.

@@SpeedyDemon1 There were a few duffers, but the writing was on a parr with the previous 4 or 5 series. The lack of a major arc in S11, the new cast, and no returning monsters along with a woman in the role, were all elements that pissed people off. The only parts of the production that were done badly is that there was some questionable casting and the three companion model wasn't handled well enough. The first series was a typical first series for a new cast and crew. Writers and directors were unfamiliar with the new cast so you get inconsistencies, we saw that in S1 and S5 as well. S12 was good. And Flux will eventually become a classic when all the neck beards have stopped finding excuses for being pissed at Chibnall casting a woman, and not writing specifically for the Convention Fan Crowd like Moffat had spent the previous 4 seasons doing.

@@andrewtomlinson5237 I somewhat agree with the writing being on part with the last few seasons, I think the only difference was that there were a good amount of standout episodes that were fantastic with moffat in every season, despite a majority of the seasons being so-so. The thing is (in my opinion) many the best doctor who episodes ever were from those kinda “meh” moffat seasons, but with chibnall, I feel the peak of his episodes are only ok. There’s no real “iconic” episodes from the chibnall era that enhance the overall quality of seasons. I think it’d be hard to look back on the era fondly due to this in the way many fans might see the original season 7 now. Honestly this conversation has been pretty interesting so I’m looking forward to seeing your take on this

@@SpeedyDemon1 I'm sorry, I have to disagree that there were no stand out episodes. Prisoner of the Judoon was exceptional and Haunting of Villa Diodati was brilliant. S12 had only one "poor" episode and that was Praxeus. And most of Flux was really good, some not so much, some fantastic. I think a lot of people had made up their minds after S11 (many had before it even started...), and the sort of people who made up all sorts of theorised excuses for the entire "Silence Must Fall" mega arc started using the term "Poor writing" as a means by which to attack everything after S10, and it kind of stuck as a catch alll way of simply saying "I didn't like it because it was too different". I didn't like most of what happened after S5, under Moffat. It wasn't aimed at me. I don't care if villains become friendly and join the team, ("Rusty" and "Handles"???) or the same returning characters come back over, and over, and over, just to please the fans. It went through a massive phase of over sympathising with the bad guys, to the point where a Space Minotaur who traps people in a nightmare world to live out their most terrible phobias until it kills them, because it feeds on people's fear and suffering is treated as "Aww... poor thing... it's not IT'S fault! It's only its Nature to cause untold human suffering... it can't help itself... Oh that's so sad..." Sorry??? You just described the bloody Daleks! Oh... wait..."Classic Episode!!!" But I don't disaparge the quality of the work the people put into it and what came out, (OK the Minotaur was jusy ***ing stupid" and most of the overacring plots were senseless fanwank but...) I just... Don't Like It. Some badly wirtten stories don;t make the whole thing BAD! In fact the episodes I tend to like from that era are the ones the ConFans don't. Like Beast Below, Vampires in Venice and Curse of The Black Spot. Time Heist and Mummy On The Orient Express (apart from the massively frustrating set-up and zero pay-off of the ending...) Those same people who defend the storyline where the Silence go back in time to give humans fire and the wheel, then spend thousands of years designing and exerting influence over all of human endeavour, so that one day there will be a space suit they can turn into a lazer powered murder machine and put a brainwashed baby into, in order to kill The Doctor, because... something... complain that Flux was "too complicated to understand". Not because it WAS too complicated, but because they had to invent an intellectual argument beyond "I simply didn't like it and its not fair that its not aimed directly at men and my friends any more.". They also use phrases like "poor cinematography" seemingly without knowing what it means. The Timeless Child story, to these people, would have been "GENIUS", if Moffat had written it and wrapped it in 3 episodes worth of expository Fanwank featuring characters from Big Finish with constant references to stuff they already knew. (and introduced a hidden Doctor played by David Warner or Richard E Grant). The quality of the writing isn't an issue, it's the volume of fanwank, "nods" and ****ing Easter Eggs that matters to them.

Yeah I guess it kind of is

The second Cushing movie is great so that's probably not a terrible shout

It's great to be back, and great that anyone is still here!

You’re right that Eleventh Hour has a strong balance, that’s something I didn’t really get into. But it really does allow you to care for everyone.

11th hour, imho, is one of the best "new doctor"-episodes not only of the new but also of the whole show. Probably only losing out to Spearhead from Space for me.

If I recall correctly, Matt Smith had already filmed some other episodes by the time they shot it, so he really comes out with a bang

Yeah I've told my friend who wants to watch that she should wait until Christmas, but she's keen to watch the November stuff. I really doubt that's a good plan.

Regardless of whether this is true or not, Jodie wouldn't have been able to film anything as she would've been very heavily pregnant or had just given birth when they filmed the 60th.

This is blatantly a conspiracy theory that has no basis in reality. From the start Chibnall decided he only wanted to do 3 series' and this is because he wanted to finish Doctor Who before his sons took their A-levels as he wanted to be there for them. Him and Jodie made a pact to leave together. So no, neither of them were pushed and also... Power of the Doctor DID air on an anniversary, the BBC's Centenary - their 100th anniversary!

​@@friendlyotaku9525 Professional TV writers and producers don't plan career pinnacle contracts around their kids' A levels. That seems to be the only thing the official story hangs on.

@@Pooter-it4yg He did though and there's nothing wrong with that. Your claims hold no water and the facts don't support your claims!

@@friendlyotaku9525 Of course he left - that doesn't prove he did it for his claimed reasons. Just because you don't have your homework doesn't prove the dog ate it. It's a matter of whether you believe the reasons he gave. I don't, you do - that's fine. But the undeniable facts are: he's loved the show all his life and always wanted to work on it; it's the most prestigious gig on British TV; his run was hardly a success; he only did three years; the BBC announced his successor to undermine his last shout. That, frankly, is enough to draw inferences.

12 had a lovely unburdened vibe to him in that series that made him so much fun to spend time with

One more would have been perfect- he was just getting started

I will never not be happy to release one!

I think if they really work hard on making Series 14 a worthwhile place to start, it will definitely be the best. I hope your video goes well!

@@Joe_Brennan_ I agree! Thanks very much!

That’s really interesting, I quite enjoyed Flux as well but I’m maybe a little surprised it worked on its own

Hopping on board when it was popular smh

I really appreciate the comment!

Thank you for this comment, I really appreciate it

That’s fun, how much classic had you seen before you went to new?

@@Joe_Brennan_ the first three doctors and the start of Tom bakers run

@@Joe_Brennan_ and the movie

My friend started with Lazarus Experiment too! That’s why I show it at 1:15

It seems everyone was doing their New Who homework in 2013!

I almost think that would be a good idea, as much as it would make people sad about how the past was ERASED

That’s where I started. Honestly, it wasn’t bad at all. I didn’t even realize how much I was missing until I re-watched everything.

@@Sunshineattacks3 exactly!