Why Does Estonia Have the Best Education System in Europe? - VisualPolitik EN 

Czech Republic, Poland, Estonia, etc have a bigger GDP then Portugal... The countries that were under the Soviet boot getting richer, old UE countries getting poorer...

Grant actually brushed his teeth today 🤣

@@mirosawirzyk5247 as a Czech I can confirm that we aren't better off. All of our "economic miracle" is just the fact that we are heavily dependant on Germany bcs a lot of ppl work in companies that are basically subsipliers for German compamies like VW and stuff. And since Germany has proven itself to do pretty wise decisions, we profit too. We are basically a German federal land at this point but we have a bit more freedom. Other than that our schooling is pretty llame ass as an attendent I can confirm.

@@mirosawirzyk5247 gdp is not important and estonia doesn´t have a bigger gdp than Portuga. Gdp per capita is important, It´s the gdp divided by the population and here Portugal has a bigger gdp per capita. It´s a stupid comparison

@@Serif_0s do you know that Poland is the BIGGEST producer of hybrid engine... That's thanks to TOYOTA... Germany loves to treat Slavic people as SLAVES... Creating manufacturing facility but not KNOW HOW, development centers... German are not as stupid as we think thay started to understand that manufacturing goods in Asian countries is a bad idea, because most of them are getting copied... Ps Neighbour I live on the Polish Czech boarder... 12km from Ostrava... 😉

such a sweet counry with serious but intelligent and clever people , estonians are kinda introvert but once you get to know then they are very cool and smart people

Not sure I like that. Parents are the biggest influence on your kids education. Holding parents accountable would be better.

@@RS-ls7mm what if your teacher doesn't even come to the class? Where I live, 25% of the teachers never attend class (our census) and 60% of the children never show up (because they have to work on the fields, there's no other option). It's easy to blame someone for all your problems

@@philoslother4602 The US went through that phase a long time ago. People realized that the future was in education and sacrificed to make sure their kids did better. Education was an absolute priority in the successful areas. Not true in the US these days however, taking the easy path because people are so spoiled is the new norm. The expected collapse is in 18 years (MIT).

@@philoslother4602 why would an absentee teacher not be fired?

Lol.... i am Estonian teacher i never been accountable for students failure. Everybody has their own work to do and responcibility for their own actions.

Your right. Theres just too much homework. I always hated school because of the amount of Hard and i mean very Hard work they gave us EVERY GODDAMN DAY. It has gotten better tho. And schools are no longer toxic. We now have KiVa program. Basicially some lessons are deticated to anti-bullying and other stuff like that to make school less toxic.

Well, that’s what you get in a school system that is purely focused on performance and competition. Can you tell if critical political thinking is promoted in the school as well?

@@lilcurtiz5333 it has been a long time since i was in school but for me the only political exposure i ever got was at home from the television. It may have become a thing since then but my bias wold lead me to believe people are told to take their politics elsewhere or keep them at home. at least that is what they should be told. it is not a place for that. Personally we were only talking of the subject at hand.... and homework. .ughhh. I was so happy when i knew i would never again have homework. Homework you may first need to study first how to do if you did not pay attention in class. The teachers were always on a tight schedule for what they needed to get through. If they fell behind, you got to do it by yourself at home and checked in the beginning of the next class. Nobody had time for someones politics.

@@erkim7547 what a shame… in my opinion, school should be THE place for encouraging critical political thinking, and not encouraging children to adhere to the competitiveness of society and capitalism.

To be fair, my experience was such that the competitiveness is all administrative. Thinking back i guess it was there but while studying, there was none that i came across. As for politics, i personally strongly disagree. Politics are not known for bothering to learn the right way towards something. Actually the very opposite. I don’t want to get too much into the reasoning as this is a bottomless pit. Politics are connected to popularity, current trend, outside influence, rhetoric popularity and so many things with no actual connection to education. How often does it become a core of politics to fight against people you have painted as your enemies to fight against? School is not some place where you teach a person to establish themself as some part of an existing political bubble but you teach them to be intelligent enough to make that decision for themselves without your teacher or classmates coercing you to be a part of their herd. What we were taught, to some extent, was discussion and reasoning. It is a surprisingly deep subject but in essence it teaches you to recognize when people manipulate with reasons and outcomes amongst many other things.

Cool

The stuff that is good here is till the university, we have still far to go in terms of being top of the world for univesertys

Pole see ilm midagi nii halb. Alati kuuma ka ei taha ega liiga külma ja lund tahaks kah ja seda on. Ilm läheb aastatega siin järjest paremaks, kuumad suved ja külmad, lumised talved. Mina ei plaani Eestist kunagi ära kolida, välja arvatud juhul, kui venkud teistpoolt piiri ei tule kallale.

Are you ethnic Russian? If so, can you tell me what going through the Estonian school system was like?

Спасибо за информацию. Now where are you?

Amazing what you can do when you are not overrun by third world failures. The US used to be same way but then the leftists opened the borders (for votes) and its been downhill ever since.

Actually, immigrants contribute heavily to America's power as they help demographics continue to be stable in the US and help ease labor shortages. Also, much of innovations come from immigrants and that they, even the undocumented, pay taxes thus not be a burden.

@@vampy8723 The illegals are also directly responsible for bringing back about 10 (CDC) serious diseases that had been wiped out in the US. Legal immigration was based on making sure the people entering the country were going to benefit the country. Every other successful country on Earth has this strict policy.

I see there is some censoring going on. You confuse immigrants with illegals. Seems to be a mental issue with leftists.

@@RS-ls7mm immigration systems are rather new, like post WW1. Most european americans and black american arrived in different ways, didn't they? They left the ship and arrived in a new life, not reallly a club of selected people. Same story in most of the colonial states.

1300 how often? Per week, month or year?

@@priceprice_baby month. They have couple of months of paid vacation each year. Also, free healthcare. But, yeah, salary is kind of low.

@@priceprice_baby per month.

Damn, I'm an international school teacher in Latvia and making 3k. I do guess that 1300 is decent for the cost of living in Estonia

I wonder if talented Estonian teachers get poached by richer schools abroad.

Also there are only 1.3 million or so of them. You're unlikely to meet them as a matter of statistics. This is also part of the reason for their success. Less people in a small(ish) country is usually easier to manage.

@@the80386 Aha! Makes sense.

@@the80386 if that was true most of the balkans would be rich and the other baltic nations as well. Lol.

Because there are too many vested interests with too much stake in keeping things the way they are. The college industry on one side, unions on the other.

Much easier to get voted in when the base level is easy to manipulate. Lower education and pay guarantees that. And that's just a piece of the problem.

sounds good in a perfect world

Mentalities and principles, views of life differ. Such a system like in EE fits pretty much only in EE. Other countries will have to find their own way for various reasons.

Cos they do? Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Simply copying stuff wholesale into completely different contexts is hardly a magic bullet. A system that works in one place and context won't necessarily work elsewhere. This is especially true of education - even the Finnish themselves said that when they went around expounding on their educational miracle model. I guarantee you that if you simply took all the Estonian education laws and plonked them down in, say, India, it would be an unmitigated disaster. Fixing complex issues like this is NOT easy.

Same here in the US! Fat people are EVERYWHERE here! They generally do not go to work very much though.

Yeah, every teacher I have spoken too is Naplan is a disaster. Schools focus all their energy on getting the best results on the tools that give their school a higher ranking and not on giving the kids a proper education

I live in Estonia and my parents do have to pay for the cafeteria food, but it's not expensive. So it just means that your parents have to pay it, not seperately for everyday but like in the end of the month

@@liisu. sa vist mingi erakoolis sest tavaliselt on lastele ette nähtud tasuta toit mingi ca 1.50€ inimese kohta tavakoolides

Here in Estonia we also have selective schools as like the high school/gymnasium I went to, but it is still not an elite school. This kind of motivates people to study harder to reach those goals of studying in school they want to go to.

Really? That's weird because I feel that in Poland the education system is very similar. It's just that wages and curriculum is decided by ministry and not schools themselves. Estonians got a good idea with that though. Bigger competition = better results.

same in Latvia :(

@@ThePaciorr trust me education system in Poland is not that bad, compare it to UK's one where only students from privileged classes have a chance for significant career... What is good in UK's system is flexible approach from uni level tutors and much wider spectrum of qualifications to choose from. Yet what is the point of typical education system these days - especially uni level? You can get MIT degree without moving from Poland (and it is not that expensive!)

My country likes WW2 topics . That's education.

@@therzook I knew a girl who moved to Poland from the UK at the age of 13 years old. She was super behind everyone else in practically every class and especially in math. She couldn't do much math without calculator when in Poland it's illegal to use calculator for the most part. On the other hand universities in the UK are super good compared to polish ones at least according to international rankings.

A friend of mine was a transfer student in Germany a few years ago and told me that there is virtually no technology (no computers, phones not allowed) and that there aren't any chalkboards. Is this true or was that an isolated occurrence?

this is true. I was amazed at how much paper mail I got in Germany even in just 6 months. More than I have ever received in Estonia because we do a lot of communication online. And that was 10 years ago. Also I haven't met a German who loved going to school as a teenager. Anyone I asked said they hated it. Whereas I absolutely loved going to school in Estonia.

@@italillo2449 German reliance on paper is just immense.

I don't. The globalists only support eugenicist scandinavians while discrediting eveybody else specially southern countries. This channel is paid and supported by them.

@@peterp4037 Who sold you this bullshit?

@@peterp4037 Does southern countries have better education system than Estonia?

Wut are you taking about? We need more WW2 topics. Kids need to know when some random guy took a piss in bucket.

@@peterp4037 lol Estonians arent scandinavians.

Agreed. If kids come to school stressed or the parents are not respectful towards the education process, the children have to be extremely self-motivated to succeed.

Estonian here. We have many and i mean VERY MANY programs to help with it. Schools used to be very toxic and bad here but the programs have changed it completely. Estonian schools are very nice. We had computers and tablets and phones for studying even in like 2012. We no longer need textbooks or any of that old stuff the world uses. Everything is digital and its great. I personally went to school in a small town and still we had SOOOOO much digital stuff and computers.

@@hasdagger1916 full digital dependence has its benefits but is highly vulnerable to cyber attacks

@@the80386 Yes, don't put all eggs in one bucket.

@@the80386 I can assure your as an estonian that noone cared enough to attack an estonian school online.

I'd have to check the laws on e-residency there but if it were like other nations, I'd imagine many of those companies that were created are shell companies or administrative companies (i.e. Employee Benefits Trust, Holding companies).

Bolt? Skype?

@@tomasfontes3616 besides some notable unicorns, entrepreneurship is not all that high from my perspective but I could of course be wrong. I quickly glanced that over 6 years, eResidents have made over 16.5k companies. Which is not a very high number, but it still statistically relevant for a country as small as Estonia.

@@Eldair compare it to other countries. Estonia is a very small country, population less than 2 million.

US has all of the competition, but none of the nurture. There is a reason why we have so many open positions, but none of the qualifications. We're just really cutthroat when it comes to individual responsibility. And to be honest, Estonia's system would never work for several reasons, 1. teacher's union, 2. separate state laws regarding education, 3. company incentive to cooperate with schools, 4. federal and state laws regulating individual freedoms, 5. routine federal standardized testing to evaluate progress (ie. we only have 1 standardized test which is the SAT), 6. lack of leadership (ie. there is a new education director for every president), 7. nonprofitable (US government is a for-profit company that regularly have risk assessments evaluations and the likelihood of a student remaining in the US after schooling is not guaranteed), 8. Expenditure (we are a superpower and spend more on social security and military without a lacking population to support it in taxes- just look at the collapsing infrastructure around every city), 9. We're a hubbub of different races and we lack all the essential of belonging in a community. In fact, you could say the educational system in the US is more about establishing social hierarchy than actual learning.

Not to far off from 36 limit we have here for class 1-12.

went to school in Estonia. we had 32+- pupils in class

​@@Vivi-vg9lx what was the medium of instruction? Is there a portal for the subjects covered from grade 1-6?

russians who live in Estonia were imported in here by Stalin in 50s, Stalin tried to make estonians go extinct and russify the country by deporting thousands of estonians( especiallythe smart ones) into Siberia to die and later imported bunch of russians into Estonia , in recent years I actually saw how estonians and russians started o get along, most young and even oder russians speak estonian and we didnt hace and conflicts with them but this war in Ukraine has changed everything....I am very sad because of that

@@HK-gm8pe totally agree. Thats a shifting point towards attitude and pitty for russian culture in general.

why sad? went to school in Estonia. Best time of my life. We had wonderful school, teachers and education. All of my classmates went to universities, finished them and are in a good place in their lives. And that was 10+ years ago.

@@Vivi-vg9lx due to recent events with russia I had to rewatch the video in different context. Sounds true but subjectively school years are among best years in everybody’s lifes :)

@@majauskasmr I don't agree. Most of my German friends can't say they had great experience in school, which was a surprise for me because I did think everyone considers their school years to be a fun time in their life.

Yes, thought the same, but the result are backing up the methods (for the moment...)

As a statistical tool? Sure. As a goal? Absolutely not

There is a system. Teachers have a framework which they need to follow, it states what the students need to know at the end, not how or what methods to teach. How this knowledge is teached is left for the teachers. There are national tests (mandatory and same for all) which test the skills of students and the results are compared. If a class average is low then it is clear that the method of teaching is wrong, if the class is doing OK in other subjects.

What's average cost for studying masters in engineering?

@@techsite902 There are free and paid. Depends where you learn, what you learn, what language are you using for learning. You might get free if you have good grades.

@@techsite902 not only that. If you study in field that is classified as "necessary/important field" you get even paid to study it. All IT fields for example pay you. Not much, but you can go to McDonald's maybe 10-15 times every month for that. And if your grades are good, you may get additional 15+ Mac lunches every month.

TAUGHT

yes

"Give one test and grade teachers on it" isn't the Estonian model. "Money follows the student" is the model, and the AFT & NEA fight tooth and nail against it.

the yearly evaluations are done by state exams here, even the teachers will not know the tests in advance. So you can't cheat the system

@@netiturtle That's not really true. The specific topics are well-known.

56 paid days? Dang. But I guess everyone got areas to improve and there are no limits.

The teacher crisis is true and It’s even said that if we continue on this path then we might not even get to educate children in estonian(language).

Absolute best system that I can think of. Seems they were able to at least limit the amount of nepotism and cronyism that plagues much of the world. Even more amazing when their background is considered.

Well, this video is probably sponsored by the Estonian Board of education or sth like that. Because it is really overdoing with all the praise, it is not all quite so rosy. For example, our students are the unhappiest in Europe (this has al lot to do with general unsatisfaction in our DNA, we are never happy about anything, it is our mentality to never be content, and in some ways it is good. It makes us question what we really want and not be satisfied with bullshit. It makes us go forward, but it also means a very high suicide rate, a huge amount of seditives, antidepressants and sleep medication prescribed, it is one of the largest in Europe) Also, what is this guy talking about the teachers" salaries being different. Yes, in private schools, which we have very few of, they are higher. But in state schools they differ very little. We can maybe talk about an extra 100 euros per months that it can differ. And really that does not mean that salaries differ. It means that the local governments are giving extra money to certain schools to pay higher salaries. It usually has a lot to do with how good of a relationship the school headmaster has with the local government. I used to work in school that according to our standards was almost a getto schools (I emphasise: our standards) with not at all good results, with very few students on high schools (in grades 10-12 all in all about 40 students).... And we received an extra salary twice a year: at Christmas and after summer vacation. This was not higher salary, it was extra money payed by local government. Then the school administration changed and all that fell apart. I left the school, but for other reasons: wanted to go back to Tartu University to do my doctor"s degree. What is true in the video: yes, the teachers do have a lot of independence. I could do what i wanted, it was all my decision. Also, Estonian students have a high proficiency in foreign languages. We have minimum three foreign languages at school (starting at 2, 6 and 10 grade). If the student wants, he/she can take on more languages. But our education system and the entire mentality in education has A LOT TO BE DESIRED. A lot, I am very critical of our education. Staring with the environment in schools: a lot of bullying and very few schools have a SYSTEMATIC approach to create an atmosphere were bullying would just not occur. It is possible to do but it requires a systematic approach and has to be followed by ALL staff members at ALL times. The general attitude of Estonian teachers still is that the victims ob bullying is to blame: "Why does he/she not defend himself then?" Just imagine how good we could be academically if we actually did create a good atmosphere in the schools. Right now the situation is not at all allowing the students or teachers to reach even a third of their real potential. An important thing to understand: education is almost like a religion to Estonians. For a long time, especially during the Soviet darkness, education was the only way to escape reality. Estonian kids and young people go to university for the same reason most other people go to church (and almost no Estonians go to church, we are one of the most unreligious countries in the world). It is difficult to explain, but education kind of replaces religion here. After high school kids go to university to get enlightened, basically, not because they intend to work in their field of study. Most people do not earn income with their education, the education is there just for enlightenment. You can understand that better if you look at our history: during Reformation the Baltic Germans (they were the bosses here) for some reason took to developing the Estonian language as a literary language. They worked out the Grammar, they published the first books in Estonian in 16th C, they created schools for the Estonian peasants (most Estonians were peasants and had quite a shitty life). So those schools became the only chance to become something more than a German owned poor peasant. And it was all done in our own language which is probably the reason our national identity, a very strong one, was created and nurtured and why we are able to have our own country now, with less than one million people. (Our population is 1,3 million, but i am not counting the Russians who have no wish to integrate and who live here only because their grandparents were deported here by Stalin and they have nowhere else to go) Education has been our way out of the darkness for centuries, so we take education extremely seriously. This is probably the main key to our success. But, again, I do not think we are all that successful. So much has to be changed starting from the basic mentality of teachers. Why do people in the US talk of their education as bad? I think your schools are a lot more human friendly than our schools. Your teachers are a lot more capable of making sense of the bigger picture for the students. Our teachers are extremely subject-oriented. We have a saying here that our schools do not teach students, they teach subjects. And there is almost connection between the subjects. The student may study all about, say 15 century art, history, music.... But they cannot put it together as a logical whole, they just have a lot of separate pieces of knowledge. The biggest blow to me in this respect was that during an excursion in Tallinn Old Town days (an excursion we have every year to finish the festival, it is about Tallinn ghost stories) The historian leading the excursion suggested the crowd that we meat at Tallinn Dome Church next. And almost nobody!!!! knew where that was.!!!!! In our own city, the most important and oldest building, the corner stone of our civilisation.... and nobody knew where it was. After that experience I just laugh out loud when I hear someone how good our education is. Ok, I got carried away here. Take care. I am sure your education in the US is not so bad, but of course everything has to evolve all the time

as someone who is/was a Russian minority and finished school 10+ years ago in Estonia, never had an impression that Russian minority had worse performance when it comes to education. The remark about Russians and their poor performance really surprised me in the end of the video. In fact, I loved the school I went to, we had amazing and caring teachers and it was actually fun going to school.

i agree. i was also arguing with american guy. he was protecting american system of education, where university tuition is very high, so very few people can afford it, and also buy taking huge loans. those who cant - go to military. whereas in Estonia universities are totally free for everybody thus creating opportunities for talented kids and creating motivated professionals. he claimed that this because we pay taxes. so do americans, but their money mostly goes to military... same applies to health insurance. In Estonia its free for everyone who works and pays taxes. Its sad USA can not fix these two major things....

& unions & special interest & big tech

US doesnt change it education and healthcare system because majority people in US doesnt want them to be changed....

@@denisss9350 What you describe falls under the term "social mobility". Estonian leadership seems to understand that in order to compete, you have to figure out how to get everyone the best they can handle. You can't waste people, whatever skill it is, if you don't have a lot of people.

Probably because the weakness of America's public welfare means that school districts end up taking on the roles that a larger dedicated statewide program should provide. It sounds like Estonia as a whole provides the fundamentals such as student meals, healthcare, and teacher training, whereas in the US the individual states, districts, and campuses have to budget all that in.

They are always bitching for more money in the inner city, but it doesn't accomplish anything. More tax dollars go there than to wheaton's. Wheaton's depends on volunteers to stock up their food pantries

@@doujinflip Quite the opposite. The US has massive social spending (#2 in the world), there is no reason to work so people don't. And they seem to teach their kids not to try.

@@a.f.7246 The best school where I lived was in the most run down school. The parents were fully involved. The state however decided to punish the school by diverting funds to the worst performing schools. Reward failure, punish success is the democrat way.

@@RS-ls7mm my elementary class had 40 students, yet no one complained. All u hear is the inner s hooks need more money & smaller classes. Always complaining

What do you have in mind? Im Estonian.

there's no lack of funds. it's just that government is busy spending it on crushing opposition, minorities and building up the military. intentional underfunding and mismanagement of public services create an excuse for privatization as a magic solution in the name of 'efficiency', when in reality it's just for lining the pockets of their crony friends, resulting an ever increasing divide between the elite and everyone else. and the worst part is that any criticism, however valid, is shut down by labelling it as chinese or pakistani propaganda.

What if public were serious about education. All the funds and teachers and all the great industries if the will merge to make excellent education system. IT depend on the will of nation and agility to be selfless.

@@the80386 What about the public, how public can tolerate. We never raised this questions? We never demanded anything. What about parents? Do they ever tell you to die for country. But they tell you to get a job and get married and settled. It is public to be blamed not government. IF people were highly moral, they would have long time ago emphasized on education. What we need is authoritarian government which is at the roots of nation and committed for revival of education. We don't think for ourselves.

Perhaps you could research and then publish your findings as a rebuttal of this well researched video?

Ära aja hullu juttu.

geneetiliselt on lätlased kõige lähem rahvus eestlastele muidu..

@@M0N0P0L Tegelikult ei ole, ainult väiksele piirkonnale Lõuna-Eestis (peamiselt Valgamaal) on lätlased geneetiliselt lähedasemad. Aga lätlastele on eestlased geneetiliselt lähedasemad kui eestlased lätlastele. Natukene segadusse ajav, ma tean. See on ilmselt sellega seotud, et liivlased (kes teadupärast olid ju läänemeresoomlased) segunesid lätlaste hulka, aga sarnases proportsioonis segunemist eestlaste ja lätlaste vahel ei toimunud.

Isn't Finland a Baltic nation too?

@@jonathancurran5366 certainly not

It depends on where you are. I grew up in Chicago and by far my public education was superior to some of my friends other parts of the country. The biggest problem in American public education is the adults.

Thou shalt not vote democrat

@@ricardoretardo58 lol yeah bit the option is a group if fascists so, what options do we really have? Also, a two party system is all the US culturally can handle.

@@luisoviedo-perez2896 More like that's what our politics naturally converges on in a winner-take-all system where the collection of losers becomes the only other side. Unfortunately this administratively simple concept also encourages pushing the extremes as a way to differentiate one from the other, since the real political spread is more a continuous spectrum.

@@doujinflip multiple part systems exit. I think more the foundation of America and its national identity does not allow for a complex political system. Two parties is all the US population can handle or understand.

Exactly. The education system in Estonia needs more funding. Lidl just arrived in Estonia and the salary there is equal to a teacher (or maybe like 100 euro less, but still).

The Estonian economy is currently in a chaos, cleaners are earning more than CEO's and no one can say what the medium pay is in the country, it still hangs there around 1500-1800€ according to Wikipedia, but in reality is much more. Some people like truck drives earn a minimum pay of 3000€ while most teachers are stuck on like 1500€ because the state is too incompetent to raise wages. This has led to a lot of new private schools popping up supported by rich millionaires and billionaires. In reality teachers get some benifits extra like cheaper and better housing, some tax cut offs, but in my opinion it's still not enough. And really it ads more fuel to the fire in time when there is allready a lack of teachers because the low pay.

And about the Swedish thing, that's quite common actually. I live in Sweden and I know a lot of rich people, who not only own property in Estonia, but also have moved there. The taxes are very high in Sweden compared to Estonia, and generally Estonia is much prettier than Sweden in nature and in architecture. Add to that the more attractions like cinemas, or stadiums or race tracks per person than in Sweden, and boom, nearly a millionaire's paradise. Making many move to Estonia, and operate their business from there, traveling maybe once or twice a month to Sweden. I know this coupel with two kids who moved to Estonia, because they wanted better education and healtcare for their children (basically a better and safer environment for their children to grow upp in). And additionally to that the father in the family likes racing, but while living in Stockholm it was hard and expensive for him to do that because the closet race track was 400km away, but in Estonia there are quite a few, and as I understood it from him, cheaper and better in quality. So the point is that the Swedish over socialism has started to make life worse for the common Swede and many are deciding on to move to other places. Because even if you have a lot of money, if you don't enjoy your life, then what's the point of it.

@@tankart3645 Why no one can say what the medium pay is, does state don't know, don't tell, lie? Can you explain why cleaners own more than CEO. Cleaner of big company compared to CEO or startup, small company? 3k E as truck driver sounds fear, especially because they spend many hours, days away from their families, all day sitting, hard work. Compare to teacher, it is fun to work, teach children, creative work. Could it be real reson there are less young teachers, because they need to learn much before they can teach, not as many people that can do that kind of work? I don't believe it is as simple as smaller salary.

@@juriscervenaks8953 The thing is more complex than you understand. And you obviously don't know enough. Do you even know how much it takes to become a middle school teacher in Estonia, I mean people spend a lot of years in school for that, as the level is quite high in Estonia, and the students are savage. And truck driving isn't really that hard of a job, I know some who work in that field and they always talk about how easy money that is. The state knows about what the medium pay is, but they don't want to say it directly and keep it at the same level as it was in 2019, because otherwise they would have to start paying out much higher wages to state workers and to people who need support. And there are about 150 000 state workers in Estonia, teachers, firefighters, doctors, police, politicians and people like buss drivers. And if they are currently getting about 1500 because the medium pay was like 1400 in 2019, then think what the state has to pay out to them if the medium wage in the country would be 2000€.

The Swedes hate it, it makes them look bad. And belive me, I live in Sweden. The schools system here sucks, and nearly any young person can agree on it. The level of education is so low for so long, and then gets like super difficult for a period in High school and in the 9th grade, giving kids depression. And over description of heavy drugs to students is very common, like anti-depressants and adhd pills

@@tankart3645 I thought you education system was good

Same... here in Brazil we spend more money (per capita) in education than Korea.

Did somone asked?

TD Zues Don't worry Latvian UNI are similar to Estonia, our primary, secondary school is weaker. It depends on what UNI you chose. If it is top 5, then it is good. LU, RTU, RSU, are the best.

Estonia has better education. You made a mistake.

@Emory Dotson Sorry to hear my friend! May your example be used to avoid any of these situation in the future! Good luck!

Russians themselves choose to stay that way.

Maybe some pressure in elite schools, but most schools you can be as active as you choose.

may be it's the competition between schools to be better but as a pupil in Estonian school I never felt any pressure or competition. In my school we had very caring teachers who really wanted us to succeed and helped those who needed help or extra explanation even if it was outside of their working hours.

​@@timjackman5780 You can be as active as you choose in "elite schools" as well, I'd say most students are given more freedom there than elsewhere. There's an assumption of personal responsibility and it works in those schools.

Styrax They look at results, and don't teach low result models. That is the measure.

egg We have much less quality than Estonia, probably lower than average EU, Lithuania similar.

> Would they be allowed into the high preforming schools or relegated to the lower preforming ones? Certainly allowed, but admittance based on personal selection depends on national exams, local entrance tests or exemplary results elsewhere. You won't be left without a school unless you don't pass final exams. If you do fail final exams, you can either apply to a vocational school or retake the exams and reapply. > I have heard of this in some areas where everyone is skeptical of the public school so more and more people send their kids to private schools. There are very very few private schools, out of reach or simply an unnecessary expense for most. Such a vicious cycle like you described is unlikely. > Some comment below that the system had too much homework and too high level of work was required above grade level. As that heavily depends on the teacher, it might be true. It's quite unlikely that it's above grade level though.

@@avamander. Teacher actually dont consider it too much homework. Couse student have classes with different teachers and every teacher gives they own homework that they do not consider it too much. But if every teacher gives homework it can be quite alot. But this is actually also important for students it can help increase they workethic and keep them stressed an on edge for archiving better performance. And studends can rest in summer1,5- 2,5 months depends what grade you are on and start new year refreshed.