I feel sorry for little Jody when he comes back with one bad grade on his report card. "Oh I see you got a D in math. We'll come back to that later....." 😂😂😂
I just don't see $3500 in this. I guess the attention to the dial is where the money goes, but I agree with you, that movement isn't quite worthy of this watch. I wouldn't buy this.
Hand turned dial and highly finished integrated bracelet and case with high end adjustment clasp, all in titanium. That's already a lot. You simply aren't going to find many hand turned guilloche dials at that price. If you want a similarly thin Swiss movement with everything else, how much do you think you'd be paying?
Hope they're paying that master craftsmans handsomely given how they're being used to justify a bargain movement watch for 3500. Think the MSRP on my tag solar quartz is the same, but used market* recognizes even a titanium Swiss watch with a quartz movement is comical. Grabbed it for a third used. If this master is making anywhere near that difference then I am all for it.
Was close to breaking the bank account in getting one but now that the movement looks way under par for such a beautiful watch, will give it a pass. Just can’t get around a watch that doesn’t hack whilst adjusting the dial.d
People will complain about the movement in a $3500 chinese watch but will happily fork out 5k for a swiss watch with a dog tier SW-200 or eta2824. It's quite amusing.
I first saw this on Peter Kotsa’s Channel. Way outside of my price range, but I think this is foretelling of where the Chinese watch market is headed in 5, 10, and 20 years time. Thanks for showing it us!
With Chinese watches cornering the low end of the market, it’ll be interesting to see how long it takes for Chinese manufacturers to attain respect for quality and luxury. For years Grand Seiko’s reputation for luxury suffered due to the Seiko name…
Sadly, when they're not working for others who have actual quality standards, they don't feel the need to have such standards themselves. It's only a matter of time (I hope) till Chinese manufacturers decide to promote quality (as Japan did after WWII) but not sure when it's going to be. That said, the day a Chinese brand actually makes a high quality (consistently) watch and supports it with customer service before and after the sale, I'll be cheering them on.
@@G-rig6969it’s not a fad, it’s for those of us that have to take several minutes getting a lot of our watches on and off due to our wrists being proportionally a fair bit smaller than our hands. You don’t think about it unless you experience it, but the extender is amazing and a lot of people could benefit.
Many high-end Swiss brands (including Patek) use non-hacking movements for genuine horological reasons (e.g. the hacking mechanism can affect accuracy). Not saying it's the same here but it's not always as simple as 'non-hacking = cheap and bad'. That said, I agree that a $3,500 watch should feel nice in every respect, especially the tactile experience of winding and setting.
Now that you mention it, I'm pretty sure this movement is based on the Peacock SL-1258, which is a "clomage" movement of Patek 324. I wish we could see this movement on more watches, like Lobinni or Sugess.
I recently purchased a good Swiss movement my self for $600 AuD and I think better than this movement, further I have a Christopher Ward 12 Titanium and can only see the clasp as better on this watch, I appreciate the hand cut dial, however I work in China and believe the 10 hours labour wold not be a vast cost compared to the $3500 price tag. The only reason this would be $3500 is it will then appeal to the Chinese new rich, that will pay any price as long as it’s high
My favorite 2024 is the Prospex Limited Edition 1965 Recreation European Exclusive in Gradation Island Blue. The dial is stunning and the contrast when on a white strap is to die for. I will get my hands on one from MAMACOO
at second 1 of the clip and wanting to answer the title: because it's amazing handcrafting on a watch at that price, great quality and looks. ok, now lets watch the vid.
In Back to the Future 3, there's a part where 50s Doc mocks a part in the DeLorean for being made in Japan and Marty sets him straight. We're not quite there yet for made in China but we're closer than I thought we'd be.
I think Beans & Bezels did the best review on this one. While it under heavy magnification, I was kind of shocked to see the imperfections in the hand made dial. Realistically it should be expected but it still hurts. Also agree the Perception model, despite being not that all is reaching saturation of special/limited editions. None the less, I don't think any review has pointed out that while this model comes with 5yr warranty out of the box, the previous ones didn't. AW however are backdating previous ones and upgrading all from 2 to 5yrs. Thats pretty bloody commendable
Thanks Jody! That dial is amazing! It's a shame about the rough noisy winding -- maybe the piece you received is a pre-production promotional version? As far as hacking goes, I say hacking, shmacking, that wouldn't deter me in the slightest (unlike the price).
I love the dial but it appears to me as dress watch dial in a sports watch case, and I find that "Nautilus" style case very unappealing, I think I'll have to wait for them to make a dress/evening watch😐
The thing I like about this watch is thinking about where Erebus could go. I can see a titanium Ascent like head, with a CNCed helix dial & a similar quality bracelet to this watch (as opposed to the feature rich but agricultural quality current one) with a decent Miyota or Swiss movement. That watch would be as good or better than this one but quite a bit cheaper. Just an idea . . . .
Bit like Furlan Marri in terms of the obsessive attention they get with their releases. I think $3500 for a piece of art is fine, but as a daily wear not really. Impressed with the 5 year warranty - I hope they back it up!
Idk but this looks like a watch from two guys with economy degree but no watchmaking background. I wonder who even designed the watch, I doubt it was one of the two.
It's a beautiful dial, and I can appreciate the painstaking handcrafted detail. That said, the rest of the specs don't quite live up to the dial and price.
I don't really see what the hang up is over whether the watch hacks or not, it's not like your planning a military movement is it, nowadays it's better to use your phone for accurate time....
Was close to breaking the bank account in getting one but now that the movement looks way under par for such a beautiful watch, will give it a pass. Just can’t get around a watch that doesn’t hack whilst adjusting the dial.
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Funnily enough, the tantalum is probably the only thing drawing me to this watch. Nothing rational about it, just that one of my grails happens to be a vintage AP in tantalum
Beautiful craftmanship in the guilloché dial! But I find the integrated bracelet watch with this dial utterly bizarre, they should have made a nice dress watch, with a quality leather band.
I lost my wife in august. But the running joke we had when she went by my office door and heard you talking, she would ask; "are you shopping for watches?" I would reply "no dear, its porn, honest".
I think its priced right, similarly hand turned , (& thats a rabbithole in a minefield in & of it'self) Swiss movements are multiples of this & some high horology brands use C&C machines. I think Mr Chen runs a workshop with more than one client, I would be surprised if he handled each watch personally. I love the brand but this does look a bit like aftershave packaging to me.........
@@jamesblonde2271 yeah one day I'd love a kari voutilainen guilloche dial, but that is wildly out of reach. The Artelier Wen dials are "affordable" for a hand made dial.
It is a interesting design, although not to my personal taste, all reports are that it's very well made & certainly very nicely presented. Even if I did like it , theres no way I'd spend close to that sort of money on an unknown brand, I think the price is just too high- by a lot😮. Hat goes off to making a really original and lovely watch though..
Well I can pay around $ 150 for a Seagull 1963 or around $650 for a Sea-Gull 1963 and its all original and made in China as well 😅 And the dial is the star of the show as well..
Disappointed that they teased a Tantalum release but ended up being Titanium. I would have definitely gone for the Tantalum, even at the >$10,000 likely price. Guess I will wait until they actually start doing more in Tantalum.
@Barbecuejag My thoughts are exactly like yours! But fret not, they will indeed release one in full Tantalum sometimes in Q1 2025. And yes it will be in the >10kUSD range 😊 Let us both wait for that patiently shall we?
@@WaterJake I believe that you are referring to the Perception Hong, which has indeed been released already as a limited edition of 25 pieces and is sold out. That was a collaboration with Grail Watch, but the one that I am pointing out for 2025 will be a non limited edtion whereby everyone who desires for one can get one 😁
Dial is gorgeous. The Clasp is innovative and slick to say the least. But the Peacock (aka Miyota 8 series in Chinese) for $3500? Absolutely NO!!! Thanks for the review, Jody. PS: by the way, if they are darn proud of China made, I wonder why they did not print "China Made" on the dial (like Sea-gull watches. I rather buy Sea-gull instead)
I just took delivery of an astoundingly cheap but good Benyar (Pagani) watch with a Miyota 9015 hi beat movement that has blown me away with it's quality for the tiny sum of $44 US
I like the movement on mine (salmon not the new purple) the finishing is nice and it’s to within 3sec/day but the money is really in that bracket and dial
@@slateization Yes, dial is awesome, but the bracelet isn't something new nor super refined. The clasp is "bit slick and unique". However, that can not justify the price tag with non-hacking China made movement. Again, as you said, Dial reflects some of the cost, but not that much.
Yes the dial is beautiful but this just isn't my style of watch. I am a huge fan of Titanium though so that's a plus. I think the watch is just too darn expensive though for what you get.
7:08 this immediately rose up as a question for me, how would this operation feel any better if it were steel? Titanium is a much harder material right? so it should at least feel better, instead of worse.
Beauty, they say, is in the eye of the beholder, and this to me is awful. The shape of the case is ugly and the squiggles around the face are messy. I wouldn't buy this at £35, let alone with 2 noughts added
I remember the release of this one. Some wanker in the comments wanted to argue with me that the dial couldn't possibly be handmade, nobody ever did that. They made one master dial and used it to mold the others. Despite there being a description by the brand of guilloche and photos of the artisan and his rose engine! I can see plenty well-heeled Chinese folks buying this just to brag about how far Chinese watchmaking has come. Pity about the movement...
Man, I almost wish the Perception had been less of a success. The design remains mostly unchanged, and as others have pointed out, that crown HAS to change. Id love to see them release a "2.0" with a refined design on the case and crown, instead of dial and metal variations. Also, i owned the purple nebula Zelos aurora field, and let me tell you, it's TOUGH to find an outfit that will look good with the purple. Pretty much all black or nothing. And good luck selling a second hand purple watch, even if it's a limited edition.
This is the V2 design my man. While they don't outright say it in the name, easiest way to tell is looking at the middle links. V1 flat, no chamfer, V2 chamfer
@DonaldJoeKennedy I agree it’s a gorgeous, albeit, non-hacking watch (especially at the price quoted), but he can’t give it away if he neither owns it nor received it to keep by the watch brand
Honestly, I don't care about hacking. It used to be a big deal to me. Then one day it just wasn't. But that's just me and I've got nothing against insisting on hacking. Jody can buy one of these with his own money, and then give it away. To me. 👍🏼
So, this Chinese brand can charge $3500 for their limited edition, and it's all fine and dandy, but when Casio wants $900 for their limited edition Casiotron it's somehow wrong? Especially since that Casiotron looks about million times cooler? Not sure I follow the logic here.
I absolutely love watches, the high end watch brands are out of my budget but the MAMACOO has literally an almost duplicate of every single watch on the market . Always a great but no matter your budget.
@@chair5728 They went for the thinnest Chinese movement they could afford. That turned out to be a semi-custom Peacock movement. I understand that Peacock still hope to be able to add a hacking module in the future, but haven't managed it yet. Given it's 0.2mm thinner than the 2892 at 3.4mm, it should be doable, but technically quite difficult.
It's a NO from me. $3,500 US , a George Genta type of look, it doesn't tick many boxes in my opinion for me. At that price you could get a Christopher Ward, a Mido and change, an ORIS, be a lot of the way towards a Tudor and so on. San Martin have increased their prices but you could get about 10 of them , maybe more for $3,500 US.
That's a beautiful Bulova! I'm quite the Bulova fanboy and have many models. Unfortunately, I don't have the 97D120 but I don't believe I've ever come across collars on a Bulova. Citizen, on the other hand, loves to alternate between split pins and collars, making new bracelet adjustments a daredevil sport if you're near carpet!
Is this Peacock movement a clone of a Swiss movement? I mean can it be swapped for a different movement? Good luck i guess getting replacement parts for a Chinese movement in Europe or so…
It's not a clone. It's a semi-custom (likely based on a slimmed down version the already 3.4mm thin SL-1258). Also as an Artelier Wen owner, the European repairs are handled by a service center in Europe. If you are in the USA though...no luck, back to Singapore, France or China for you.
For that price, even a glorious dial is not enough of a justification. A higher quality of movement may convince me but this piece isn't quite there yet, yet.....
I used to look at this brand in quite high regard, but the more I see their watches, the I feel the brand is exploiting "Chinese-ness", for their own gain. Their numerous and seemingly unending limited edition releases, to evoke FOMO in their fans, and this latest blitz using influencers to promote this limited edition/production watch (as much as I understand they need to do this) accentuates the growing bad taste in my mouth. This very looking nice watch, great looking on the outside though a little rough in the movement, is not for me.
