@@gabrielenchaustegui6678 what does reviewing the specs mean? They listed the specs as information, this is not a review. A review would be comparing it to other bikes in the price range and saying buy the Pinarello or something of that sort.
The sizing small gaps, and going down to small sizes, is why I ended up with a Pinarello F5 (the "basic" Pinarello). I was thinking a Giant TCR or a Liv, but they only make them in BIG. The Pinarello F5 was on sale to go into the same price range, and the sizing landed smack into my measurements with some wiggle room if I want adjustments. I like her so far. But.... damn are the Dogmas and higher end Pinarellos a LOT of money. The F5 wasn't cheap, but the others get crazy.
Ya gotta give 'em credit - for that kind of loot at least they make enough sizes that you can find one that's better than too-big, too-small, close-enough.
Pinarello as a daily bike? Absolutely! I have been riding an F10 DuraAce almost daily for 6 years, clocking 12,000 km annually. One full service a year, and other than that zero issues.
@sgroadie6367 I totally agree with you. I race, however, not as much as I use to. But, I have had the F8 and F12 disk brake and both are significantly stiffer. The F10 is a good blend and I think looks the best. I do really want the F. But, not worth it price wise.
Same boat as you, Had been Riding a F10 disk since late 2018. Cover 5x 150km plus event and over 14000km. It is still a very strong and capable bike. Love every bit of the design and I won't be upgrading to other Fs because I haven't been able to fully squeeze out the F10 so no point upgrading to F12 or F.
The livability part was great. It would have been useful to see how far the bars can be moved back once removed from the steerer, as that’s where they go when packing for bags like the smaller Evoc.
For that money you could buy 5 extremely good bikes, a good wife in Thailand and would still have enough left for a decade of banging retirement life in Marbella.
I guess you could. But this bike is special. I would not trade mine for any two bikes from other brands, or even cheaper Pinarellos. Riding a super bike is also psychological. Nobody talks about it for some strange reason.
@@Edmond347 I get that, especially the psych part. And great for you! I feel that way when riding several of my bikes, all good but none a 'super bike' per se. Though for me, having different bikes for different types of riding is important.
@@ashurany Yes, I am a very lucky boy. I also work very hard and long days. Have no kids and no wife so that helps too. I was fortunate enough to ride the F10 and now the F. Both silly good, but the F is absurd and superior to the predecessors. I’d be the first to call bs on that, but it is what I experienced. 🤷♂️
To be fair they take you onto roads that are the way roads should be and often are in many European countries - guess our beautifully potholed roads in the UK are not necessarily the standard they built this bike for. But fear not, they also have a Gravel bike which should be perfectly suited for Surrey roads (guess the potholes are the reason why most posh people in Surrey drive big, huge SUV's).
Yes, what is the obsession of taking the equivalent of F1 car onto UK roads? That's why I bought a gravel bike a few months back...the roads I ride on are shiite as you Brits like to say.
I got a close look at a shop today. That bottom bracket 1:26 is more than just "beefed up," it's massive enough for a family of squirrels to smuggle a full year of rations. It's also quite a bit more angular, like the area where the seat tube and top tube meet, as well as the head tube 1:46 which Francis isn't a fan of.
am i the only one who doesn't really like the wavy carbon fiber look? Especially with those wheels, it looks like a bike designed by the guys who animated Dr Katz
Agree wholeheartedly. Pinarellos look way to wavy, but ive never seen it in person. Only in videos. I think bikes that have striaght line geometry are much better looking. Im willing to change my opinion if I get to see it in person and ride a Pinerallo.
Very informative vid gents. Would love to see a Winspace review. With superbikes costing 'mortgage your house' money, they seem to have some awesome offerings with little in the way of criticism.
Thanks for the honest review especially given the limitations that you had with access to the bike. Instead of a David Arthur/GCN advert you guys have given some real feedback and things to consider when looking at this bike. Love the cool wall concept - hope to see it soon!
It looks the same because smaller frames benefit from the deeper junction at the top and down tubes that larger frames don't have due to their massively tall front ends. Look at larger frames, they do look, slightly, different.
I e got those Princeton wheels on my Scott Addict RC. They are nice wheels indeed but you can get them from good dealers at around 3K (doesn’t have to be the 4500 set with Chris king ceramics etc ). Also, the S-works SL8 frame is 5K USD. The Cervelo S5 frame set is similarly priced also. So is the Pinarello really that bad when you think about it ?
Some of the colour schemes arent all available today!!! That really scuppered my plans of buying one in each colour and thus keeping the next 3 generations of my family below the poverty line. 😐😄
i have the princeton wheels and they are great, but not very noticeably different than other high end wheels (except in crosswinds where they shine). i bet what you felt was mostly from the frame, which is awesome!
Yeah it's great you can take the handle bars off but it looks like the hoses go through the headset bearing. So for UK riders what was a 30 min job is now a 1:30+ job with two brake bleeds and maybe new hoses to change the headset bearing.
The term for cars that are higher up than supercars is: hypercar. You may call Pinarello a ''hyperbike'' The custom made bicycles of Robert Stolz in Zürich cost 15'000 Francs. I got one (but it was much cheaper!).
Both Cade media and GCN used the mobile phone evolution analogy. Was this analogy in the Pinarello media briefing? Was it part of their 40-minute PowerPoint presentation?
Good and very entertaining review gents! I do like to add two negatives to an otherwise awesome bike, that you seem to have missed though: 1. The price hasn't increased, but they did remove the power meter, which for this level and price is ridiculous. 2. The stock 28mm tires are already somewhat tight, with 30mm being the specced absolute maximum tire width. This seems a bit 2019.
Brilliant episode. I listened to the podcast where you mentioned this upcoming review of the "mystery" haha bike. Thanks for a proper review, the highlight of which was you taking it apart. I look forward to the cool wall. What a great idea. I wonder what will end up where on Top Gear's Ice Cool section where they put the Land Rover Defender
Nice bike. I almost purchased one last year. My buddy has one and it felt like an absolute PIG in terms of weight. I went with the BMC SLR01 and couldn't be happier.
Thoroughly enjoyable, thank you. Can't say I'm into the wavy wheels.. or the forks... or the purple... or the price... but hey, who knows. Maybe one day. Excellent review.
Bike box Alan aero easy fit solves all travel worries. To me the Dogma is the best looking bike in the peloton and my garage and My F10 needs replacing soon so I’ll be getting this when my wallet and wife allows it. Stunning bike, well done Pinarello ❤
I like your statement at the end which is reflect most of your viewer... (cyclist that have limitation due to bikes and parts price tag) Do I want one? YEEES Am I gonna buy one? NOOO But does that means it's uncool? KIND OF But it's still pretty COOL Keep it up mate... *2 thumbs up
Probably doesn't matter at that price point, but the oval steerer tube means you are fully locked in their system with stem, bars and headset, right? I hope this doesn't trickle down.
If a pinerello is the super car what are the more pricy low volume cars like a Sturdy TI bike or a custom argonaut or the 3d printed pinrello track bike etc.
The BEST bike review ever. Never have I seen reviewers dismantle to give a liveability score! You've definitely sold it to me. Now, can you work on the, sell it to the wife/husband/partner/significant other review, to prevent divorce and/or financial ruin.
I'm truly glad to hear that the riding quality does somehow correlate with the price that is asked for it, because that isn't a given for a brand that's owned by those who own Vuitton bags... That are made of plastic.
It is technically correct to say carbon bikes are made from CFRP which contain plastics but the implication that CFRP is unsuitable, low quality, or otherwise undesirable as a frame material is completely incorrect. CFRP has been used in the most demanding of structural roles for almost a century now and is the ideal material for many use cases. Also, it is more correctly referred to as a composite rather than a plastic per se, as the plastic resin is only a piece of the puzzle which does not entirely account for the material’s properties. It’s akin to saying humans “are” water.
I love the Nico Leonardo reference. It’s the dog’s bullocks 😂😂😂. He’s honest and isn’t afraid of speaking his mind, like you guys, but thankfully you use much less colourful language to express your opinions.
I just don't know how this is different than my friend's F12. They pretty much look the same, weigh just about the same, both super stiff beyond anything I'd ever need, etc
headtube and BB is more aero, must be a harsh ride as ever... still take the S5 ahead of this until we get to ride the new Trek Madone/Emonda or whatever its called?
"Incredibly beautiful vintage 1/4 of million pound porsche 911" showing a modern, best-of-class-engineer restomod Porsche 911 reimagined by Singer reselling at 800k ish ground 😂 Proof that this company built the best standard-looking performance car ever! Anyway, many thanks for great vid, hope you enjoyed your journey! I think pinarello is just a league of its own
Those framesets are probably $150-200 a pop made by Carbotec in China and Taiwan. Jazz it all up with some marketing, a nice paint job, a lovely road and shazam "it's the best".
NGL re the alloy wheels to test the weight ...if im spending 12k on a bike I dont think weight is an issue as Im either a pro racer who has it for free at 6.8kg or a 100kg pensioner spending my triple lock uprate
Great review Gents! But taking the bike apart will surely not do you any favor. Except with us, we cannot but love it. Don't ride it, take it apart! Guess a guy called Dave from Down Under started this trend. But it seems to me he's still friends with big test & measurement companies.
Rolex in many cases appreciate in price. You can pass them down to your kids which is no joke. You will be lucky to get 50% of your purchase price in 5 years ownership.
