Why doesn't Luka's impact match his production? 

It's ok. Your agenda was exposed. All good.

Hey there...do you have access to the team's points per possession for with Luka and without? I think that would add a bit of info for the offensive end at least. (Well we can look at PPP with and without for defense, as well.) I'd be interested to see your take on those stats and if they affect the narrative you are so great at sussing out. Edit: Oh....and same thing for playoffs. Btw what would you professional statheads call this stat....PPPW&W?

How can you forget one of the best players in history of the game in JOKIC???

Marc Jackson style! 😂

Nah. You haven't forgotten... But when you inserted Jokic, you realized he's off-screen and that you need to redraw the graphics again.

Didn’t know that dude from gossip girl was a baller damn

9.8

Oh my! What the gyatt!

on 46 minutes tbf

curry is messi 4r

Go look at Jokic's on/off

Jokic has a best on off of any player ever @@realone296

Plus minus is the dumbest stat ever 😂😂. EG: you can have 40 points 20/20 Fg 0 Turnovers and if your team loses by 20 ...you have -20 . In the Other hand you can have 0 points 0/20 Fg 10 Turnovers and if your team wins by 20 you have +20

Plus minus is the dumbest stat ever 😂😂. EG: you can have 40 points 20/20 Fg 0 Turnovers and if your team loses by 20 ...you have -20 . In the Other hand you can have 0 points 0/20 Fg 10 Turnovers and if your team wins by 20 you have +20

Really made me remember about a quote. "Steph isn't a Warrior, He IS The Warriors"

And people said steph doesnt impact the current game

Meanwhile NBA twitter is talking about taking current Luka over 2016 Steph lmao

@@robertreyes8792yeah I’m a mavs fan I’d take Luka over Steph but that because he is a mav he isn’t near the impact player that 2016 Steph is.

​@@GoodVibez102/12Fg his team still wins by 15 Points 😂😂 Curry has a season with 39 bad games in 66 played and his team still made the play-offs 😂

Pretty sure Jokics on/off graph is very similar to Jordans lol

Non-Jokic minutes of Denver is so terrible that I switch to another game at the beginning of 2nd and 4th quarters. It's just unwatchable.

Jokic is like the anti-Luka in terms of on/off numbers. His regular season numbers are off the charts but his playoff numbers are lackluster despite the eye test saying he is an awesome playoff performer.

@@berryesseen jokic plays barely any minutes with bench players

​@@berryesseenYou can treat non-Jokic minutes as tv ads, lol.

Its crazy that no one pays attention to that. +/- is not a good stat to compare players

@@A7JJ77 It's all about cherry-picking a stat to support your narrative and agenda rather than truly "thinking" basketball.

Jokic plays with starters mostly. Luka plays with bench players. This does not accurately say anything of meaning

@@deadlylightningspirit4295Luka does primarily play with starters. It’s just harder to gauge because there has been so many lineup changes due to injury, which shouldn’t drastically impact on/off numbers

@@user-em1dl6jk1jI think the point he was making is more so that Jokic pretty much ONLY plays with starters and those starters for the most part have been healthy this season too, the Mavs only have one starting lineup with over 200 minutes played this season and the nuggets starting lineup has played 1500 this season, Jokic is extremely impactful but again on/off and +/- do not tell the full story, Mavs post trade line sample is a much more telling story of what Luka can do with a consistent lineup and not playing with g league players for 1/3 of the season

@@chugcanthoop Jokic has been stuffing the +/- box for four seasons. Two of those four seasons his entire starting squad wouldn't have even come off the bench for most other teams in the NBA. Also, Jokic has been playing with his bench since December this year. Malone changed the rotations so that Jokic plays out the entire 1st quarter, with 2 starters subbing out at about 6 mins, and 2 more at 3 mins. Jokic plays the entire last 3 mins of the 1st with 4 bench players for the past 30 games.

@@JakeStine no doubt, but jokic being 100th percentile in 5 major box +/- stats is not something he’s done the past 3 seasons that increase happened at the end of last season-this season which is what I was basing it off of, it wasn’t a dig at Jokic, just this season Jokic hasn’t played over 100 minutes with multiple g league guys while Luka has and that’s more of the point I was trying to make.

It’s worth noting that in those games he’s missed, he’s often sitting back to backs by mandate of the team. Many of those games are ones in which they’re entering as big underdogs in second night of road back to back ie “scheduled loss” type of games. He hasn’t suffered a significant injury in his career, it’s usually maintenance style rest days.

@@eye4impactnba572Kyrie has also missed 3 of those games

​@@eye4impactnba572Check your facts before you yap. He missed MEM, HOU, POR, NOP x 2, MIN x 2 NYK once and OKC once. Of those, you could _at most_ call the two MIN games scheduled losses. Especially because they beat NY and the Pels, and competed against OKC after Luka left the prior game early hobbled.

@@eye4impactnba572 agreed, no major injuries, luckily. However, he's been dealing with nagging injuries (ankles and knees, primarily) that did prevented him from playing. Interestingly enough, he's been having these problems since practically the begining of the season, when Kyrie went down and he had a stretch of games averaging about 40/42 minutes per game. Still, he played through it more times than not. Luka's tough. If he isn't wearing down to his limit, he's not missing games.

He also has the 3rd most injured team this season so they got way behind compared to now. They are 11-1 when luka plays in their last 12 and the only game they lost was against the warriors, plus that wasn’t his fault or Irving’s. Proof: bench points 13. Golden states 39.

Plus minus is the dumbest stat ever 😂😂. EG: you can have 40 points 20/20 Fg 0 Turnovers and if your team loses by 20 ...you have -20 . In the Other hand you can have 0 points 0/20 Fg 10 Turnovers and if your team wins by 20 you have +20

this is wrong on so many levels... 1. plus minus stats only apply when you're on the court...so if your team loses by 20 you're not necessarily at -20 2. if a player had 20/20 fg and 0 turnovers...i highly doubt your team loses by 20 @@onlyfacts3178

​​@@onlyfacts3178That only works like tht if you are playing all 48 minutes. Plus minus only counts for when you are on the court.

​@@onlyfacts3178 That's true... which is why it's stretched over the last 5 years, which means statistical outliers are less relevant. Statistics get more accurate as there is more data. 5 years of data is a loooot of data.

Usually, role player have great +/- when the team has a high floor increasing the overall ceiling of what a team can achieve. Think the Nuggets with and without Gordon or KCP for a recent example, or how bad the Lakers became when they traded away their good role players for a third star. Stars on the other hand tend to have diminishing returns when the team has already enough star power: adding a third star usually doesn't add as much value as adding a second for example (any big 3 had at least one star massively decrease their production). Steph is the greatest outlier to this rule I've ever seen: put Steph on a mediocre team, and he will improve it, but put him on a very good one and they'll become unstoppable. As you clearly can see in the that graph. Truly one of kind.

That is a very small sample size

Small sample, but even garbage-time-filter websites like Cleaning the Glass (I think that's the name) have Luka's on-off at around +8

If the team didnt have kyrie for the luka less mins luka wouod have the highest differential in the league on off ​@joshualee9540

I think the point of the video was to show how bad Luka can be on defense

@@fringe_minority yea but that small sample size from last 15 games says he got rly good rly quick but who knows maybe Gafford showing luka some def , we know luka wants to be good at def so ... also people say luka and kye are bad defenders but i seen them jump for loose balls like they rodman

MVP! 😂

@@user-nw4ln6gr5v defense rarely matters for that. Even Harden has one

And I can put up a long highlight of his defense that makes him look like an All Defensive caliber player. Watch the entire game.

​@@YunisRajabharden also had the team record

Luka is a great offensive player but he will not truly be a great player until he starts playing better defense!

Bro has won a singular playoff series ever technically 2 but he was hurt for the majority of the jazz series so idk how u can say he’s one of the best playoff performers?

Team around him has never been as talented as this year, Porzingis was injured in the Clippers series. I watched him torch Kawhi and PG like they were average defenders in the playoffs, Clippers were a much more talented team so they won in the end.@@christianwaters3437

@@christianwaters3437because he was much better in the play offs than in the regular season. Carried a mediocre team who’s 2nd player was a very different Brunson. He avgs the second most play off points and is going against better teams and defenders than #1 did

​@@deadlylightningspirit4295 brunson wasn't that different, the next year he was a killer on the knicks. Also, brunson cleaned out the Jazz in that series. Luka's gotta change his game if he wants to win titles. Also, For the Jokic comparison, look at Jokic's usage rating compared to luka's. Jokic plays in the flow of the offense while luka needs the ball every sec to make something happen. totally different. Luka just wants to put on a show while Jokic wants to win

@@blottolotto7648 ok actually take a second to think the difference between jokic and Luka and their teams. Lukas usage rate is gonna be higher either way (it has gone down since kyrie got back and is still inflated due to injuries.) Luka and kyrie are the only players who can dribble,play make,and create shots consistently. Lukas gonna have the ball if the don’t want to turn it over a ton

very true!

Talking about balance and strenght like he is not the strongest pg by land slide and can back up majority of SF out there.

Didn't Cuban sell the team?

@@gospaironija2762 He isn't he strongest, he is just a heavy 6"7'. He clearly doesn't care much about conditioning since even Jokic, who has a similar body type to luka, runs like a mf all the time and is lightyears ahead of Luka is production and impact.

Luka ain't my MVP 'til he stops skipping leg day

Yeah but over 5 years you would assume that such hyper specific irregularities would average out. What you're suggesting is true for any metric. For example for ppg if the 2nd best player is injured, the ppg would increase without player quality increasing. I think plus minus in combination with on-off is a much more holistic stat than most other stats, but ofc it is not perfect and should not be used in isolation

RAPM adjusts for this by accounting for who was on the court. If Malik Beasley plays all his minutes with Giannis, he will have a great on/off split. However, if you look at Beasley minutes without Giannis, the Bucks probably played worse than in comparison to Giannis minutes without Beasley. From this you can deduce that Giannis probably deserves more of the credit for when they share the court and play well. This is an incredibly noisy stat, but over large sample sizes like multiple seasons, it should be more reliable. If you look at 3-year RAPM, Luka is well outside the top 50 and is situated in between… Cam Johnson and Malik Monk. The top two players unsurprisingly are Embiid and Jokic. This is incredible, as it means that if the NBA just stopped recording statistics altogether, I could still tell that Embiid and Jokic are the two best players. If you look at other similar one number impact metrics (RPM, EPM) they will have Luka rated very highly, but this is because they generally use the box score numbers as a prior, which “nudges” the numbers towards what the creators believe should be correct. For example, even if the Bucks actually played better in Beasley and non-Giannis minutes than in Giannis and non-Beasley minutes, these models will chalk it up to noise and still give most of the credit to Giannis, under the assumption that any player averaging 30 and 10 is usually pretty good. This helps stabilize the numbers over a small sample size towards reasonable estimates, and these models generally perform a lot better than basic RAPM. However, it introduces a lot of bias when picking the prior. RAPM in its purest form is unbiased. Whether this means Luka’s box score metrics are overrated, or whether it is due to noise is impossible to tell. However, over such large sample sizes I do think such a disparity is quite alarming. Of note, James Harden’s 2018-21 stretch still had him in the top 10 in the NBA in RAPM, playing a very similar style alongside other ball dominant stars (Paul, Westbrook). For all of Luka’s greatness, I don’t think he’s yet to approach the heights Harden did, who was much more efficient than Luka.

@@kobewankenobi8926 oh thanks for the info. I did not know that. That makes a lot of sense. Thanks!

That means jokic plus minus is fools gold. Because he only plays with starters.

​@@MrDiMES123 Won a ring with fool's gold...Jokic is fine. We've seen him with bad teammates and he was still an impact monster. If anything, it is that Dallas/Doncic is hampered by poor roster construction. Doncic would play with the starters more if his best teammates were wings/centers instead of ballhandling guards.

His catch and shoot attempts went up over twice the amount from last season and the percentages still went up by 5%. The mavs are top ten in fast break points and they average more passes per possession than last year. Luka can be great at anything. And his off ball play is severely slept on... His defense? 7th in steals and top 15 in deflections. As an average perimeter defender per advanced statistics. But he really shines in post defense. I watched him big boy domantas "elbow to the throat" saboner at least 5 times recently. The eye test says he is the best player in the league. That's all. It's his party.

@@agayactornamedmichaeldougl6289 I agree and I think that he will get his mvp if he manages to finish as a top4 seed this season or next season

The only issue with current Mavs starting 5 is that PJ and DJJ can't hit their 3s consistently, otherwise great group together.

@@fringe_minority absolutely! I mean they won against top teams despite their bad shooting nights and if the 3s are falling they can beat anybody. They need a Jeremy grant type of player and another consistent offensive threat from the bench

@@fringe_minority yeah. Hardaway, Kleber and Powell have been regressing/stagnating the last few years. If they can mash Josh Green as a 3 & D guy into the new crew post trade deadline the Mavs have the ability to beat just about any team in the league. We definitely saw a big dropoff last game with lively out in terms of center play. The warriors playing small ball with green and lively out who are probably two of the best quick defenders the Mavs have def hurt them in that game.

Facts. With the way the mavs are built and how their rotations are, plus minus is pretty flawed in trying to gauge the impact Luka has

people cant comprehend this though so its like talking to the wall

That's why thinking basketball is just a basketball 'word salad' channel

Every stats has its flaws. That is why when analysing a team or a player we should look at many different advanced stats and compare them, to see where are the flaws and where are the strengths of each one, in order to paint a more accurate picture of a player/team

Every stat is flawed. So ppl should WATCH THE ACTUAL GAMES. The eye test proves all and gives you all the information that stats can't even point out accurately

I would to see them (Lebron, JJ) breakdown a specific player's game, or a specific team (one of the NBA champions would be nice) for a whole episode.

Having thinking basketball and mind the game on the same day would be fantastic

it is , his BPM and VORP has been jumping ever since the deadline / also when his team got healthy

People dont realize but on/off +/- whatever is also heavily influenced by their teammates.

Outside of unfortunate injuries, how have his teams been 'horrific' in terms or construction? He had two all-star caliber combo guards in Kyrie and Brunson to share the backcourt, plus THJ who is a solid off ball option for his price tag that can shoot off the pressure a playmaker makes. Not to mention Josh Green and Seth Curry both elite shooters. Good stretch 4s in DSF and Kleber. Porzingis at Center or at least guys that are good at rim running and finishing... The wing talent was a bit dry throughout the years tho. By no means were these teams supremely talented or anything, but they were apparently talented enough to win Playoff games without Doncic when they reached the WCF in 2022... So it's not like they were garbage. I don't think Jokic had particularly more talented rosters in the last 5 years (some years he 100% had less talent, like im 2022) and his supporting casts also had a lot of injury woes to deal with... and Jokic just comes out looking like a beast regardless in any metric... Personally, i think Jokic just offers notably more value off ball than Luka does... To this day, people don't seem to understand how valuable it is to force the opposing 7 foot rim protector to leave the paint to guard a guy like Jokic next to the 3pt line otherwise Jokic just bombs open jumpers all game or slowly posts a smaller guy all the way to the basket, where he can finish with ease or find the easy pass when a double comes. That's something that doesn't show up in the box score that Jokic does on a GOAT level offensively. The second thing is how Jokid uses screens to put defenses in uncomfortable positions because he's so wide, you can't get around him easily and he's nimble and tall you can't really prevent him from catching the ball, and he is dangerous from any position, it's hard to defend a screen play when Jokic is involved. Luka, otoh, doesn't really screen much. He's pretty much always the ball-handler that someone else is setting the screen for, but he rarely adds the wrinkle of being the screener and then moving without the ball to dangerous positions.

​​@@IMGhost589 Is influenced a lot by teammates and Who you play against... as an example if "said player" misses 4 games but all are against minessota, Boston and other top teams he'll have Better On/off Numbers than someone that sit out 4 games against Detroit and Washington where his team might even have won those games.... box +/- Is a flawed stat but can give some insight sometimes

@@advancedapathy1531 last year team construction was out this worldly bad ... no defense all offence (if even that cof cof dwight Powell starting cof cof). They had a decent team in his second and 3rd season but porzingis couldnt stay on the floor and then when he came back wasn't the same efficiency wise and since he was a dive he wanted still to Chuck up shots for no reason.... Rick Carlisle had to play Boban marjanovic 30 Min in a playoff game bc kristaps didnt was to dominate in the post and take fadaways all game... brunson wasn't a star until last 8 games of the season where he averadged 18 a game and continued that streack in the playoffs but untill then he was a good starting pg

Mavs were an absolute shithouse with 0 creation outside of Luka and Brunson all those years until they traded for Dinwiddie, and Brunson was a 2nd round draft pick who still needed a lot of development. If the ball wasn't in Luka's hands there was no winning the game, period. What he needs is a secondary creator and ball handler (kyrie) and some big athletic bodies that can play defense and score inside (Washington, Exum, Gafford, Lively) with 3pt shooters. That's exactly what they've had since February and the Mavs are on track for a 61 game season based on their play since they made these trades.

It’s more like the fat body problem. U can’t be running around with double chins and expect to be a two way player and a good off ball player. That requires the player to be in shape.

@@Mynipplesmychoiceyeh there’s no reason for Luka to not get in better shape

it has...but that doesnt' fit their narrative.

thank you, finally someone notices

@@Tantibus7 I just watch basketball and recently noticed that +/- on twitter. Apparently D White is the best player on the world... it has nothing to do with the other 4 players he is sharing the court with

This is just incorrect, jokic plays with the bench consistently. He’s out there with Braun, Watson, Reggie and maybe one starter every game. Especially when zeke is injured (frequently) and because DJ barely plays (e.g. no backup center).

@@splev8111 Lol this is just not true. Jokic play without his starters for 5 years and still put up a 10+ box minus, you just can't accept the fact that Jokic makes his team play better than luka will ever do.

OK that's nice and all but we are looking at *5 YEAR ON/OFF* not this season alone...

@@injusticeanywherethreatens4810brunson been a 6 man for 3 years

@@injusticeanywherethreatens4810 Why are we factoring in a 20 year old, 21 year old Luka and 22 year old Luka into how his production isn’t “impactful” anyone with eyes knows Luka has played like the best player in the league this season

@@injusticeanywherethreatens4810 Cause Mave have always been a really bad team except for now. Look at both on and off stats. Mavs are big time in minus when he's off the floor and plus 4 when he's on. Luka had Dwight Powell as a center for 5 years lol So, ofcourse he's not gonna be +18 like Curry cause curry has always had a stacked team. Look at the differential when he's on and off the floor. MJ at Mavs wouldn't fare any better cause mavs have been THAT bad.

@@injusticeanywherethreatens4810Let’s talk about it. What players did he have exactly? Don’t even say Kyrie he didn’t even play half of a season last year so go on

Luka isn’t near Jokic

@@Ooooooopsycorrect Luka is better

​@@MavDon-qc9tc😂😂😂 Luka is ball hogg who doesn't let his temmates play...Jokic is better!

Jokic is far easier to fit into a lineup where he isn't getting every possession with the ball.

If the stats for jokic and luka stay the same next year, luka is mvp, but this year, because of what happened last year and bc of the sitting, jokic is mvp, a closed case, except for mabye an abismal last stretch for jokic

Literally everything you just said supports a big on off plus minus differential for someone carrying the team so hard like Luka has, which was NOT the case here. A team that can't create shots without Luka should be much worse without him, which was NOT the case from the stats. Now that he has more competent teammates, the on off differential should be less, but it's the opposite. Not really sure you understand the metrics being assessed in the video.

If the roster construction was poor the on-off numbers would be +10-15

Try watching him play, maybe?

@@agayactornamedmichaeldougl6289 Luka rarely a threat off ball, it's a fact. maybe you should hide your bias for once and admit luka has weaknesses

@@langszlol it’s not bias, try watching the mavs when luka doesn’t have the ball, it’s pretty brutal, he has to be on ball for them to be successful.

​@@ssjohnson23they literally look like a good team too when Kyrie/Brunson plays without him. Y'all just love riding on his meat as an absolute fanboy 😂😂

@@judyclarkson5887you think the mavs look good when it’s only kyrie??? Just no. Kyrie looks great everyone else doesn’t. They keep passing back to Luka and kyrie because they can’t make their own plays. That’s not Lukas fault

Are you trying to compare Brunson to Luka?

@@agayactornamedmichaeldougl6289he’s comparing Brunson to Kyrie

@@mod7065 kyrie is so much better than Brunson was.

@@agayactornamedmichaeldougl6289 true but he’s comparing their roles next to Luka. Off-ball threats when he is in. And Ball-dominant creators that fill the offensive void when he’s out.

To get people like you to comment 🤷‍♂

No, its cause he only finned second once, other 2 he won, and this year he wins again, so the list is correct:))))

@@owmegwoagm Thinking Basketball is above such theatrics. Likely just an honest mistake.

@@dariusdragomir9414 What are you talking about? Winning it twice means he finished top 5 both times. That right there is more than once. Add in last year's 2nd place finish and that's 3 times

@@adhithram i mean sure, u can think of it like that, and the list is wrong

No it’s not they play faster and he gets players involved a lot of player play better with Kyrie on the floor and no Luka

@@elislifestyle4605they do not play better with kyrie only. Luka has the ball more because he’s better at scoring and play making than kyrie. Not because suddenly players get much better with kyrie

@@elislifestyle4605 No Kyrie does not "get players involved" at least not as much as Luka does. When Luka is off the floor Kyrie is mainly playing iso ball while using his teammates to get the switches he wants.

When the teams just realized it, they become unstoppable

Wait you mean after Jokic got aaron gordon and they built a better team around him?

@@saiwaqa2573 have you seen ph Washington play defense since hes joined the mavs? Dude is elite. With a whole season in his role playing his level, they have the bruce bowen, stacey augmon, Shane battier level prototype. Gafford and lively the 2 best fg% in the league. Tim Hardaway actually holds this team back. He was the second best mav in the bubble. He has players now.

@@agayactornamedmichaeldougl6289 I think you replied to the wrong person. What does this have to do with my comment?

@@saiwaqa2573 Gordon wasn't even considered a top 10 Forward in the league when they got him, and still isn't. His level is an above average starter, that's it.

Bro showed you data that basically said “he doesn’t play defense but has amazing offense so it’s a net zero at times” and you still chose to comment this. Make it make sense 💀 they’re a 40 win team without him.

Statistics literally showed they the same 40 win team with or without him.

Luka is more efficient and a much better passer than all of them

@@deadlylightningspirit4295Harden was the same kind of passer Luka is… They’re just too ball dominant and stay in front of the defense. Kobe explained their style well. It’s not a winning style

@@1708JOHNbiggest difference is luka is one of the greatest playoff performers we’ve ever seen. Which was hardens biggest fault

@@alexescutia4805Luka is not he’s had 1 good half series and was saved by Brunson

@@1708JOHN Luka is both more efficient,better passer, and doesn’t overly rely on free throws. He’s fine

But Wilt's production dipped in the playoffs. Whereas Luka's production remains the same or improves. We shall see when it's all said and done.

You can't put Russell's 11 championships solely down to him. He played in a stacked Celtics team, despite winning 11 he was only finals MVP 5 times. if Wilt played in that Celtics team he would also have many more championships.

​@@MR12AMAZING Bill didn't win a single finals MVP, the award didn't exist back then. He won 5 regular season MVPs though, one more than Wilt's 4. The point, however, is that Russell made his team much better, Wilt did not. Wilt has even said this himself: "If I played with Cousy and the others I would have taken a lot of what they were good at away from them, Bill didn't do that". When Wilt played with the stacked Lakers (first superteam) they only won 1 championship and Wilt famously became known as a loser who only put up big numbers and couldn't contribute to winning. There is a thinking basketball video on the topic where Ben demonstrates how Russell had a much more positive impact on his team than Wilt did, even in Wilt's insane 61-62 season. Since he, in part, uses advanced statistics, the video is called "Russell's statistical case over Wilt". I recommend watching it if you're interested!

Yeah they said that in the video thanks

@@willrobbins2550 no he didn't.

@@saiwaqa2573 12:13 you’re welcome silly

@@willrobbins2550 imagine calling me silly when you give me a time stamp that says they are slightly better than hardens when in fact they are way better than hardens...

@@saiwaqa2573 not during the harden peak that they’re referring to. If they had meant overall then yes I’d agree

Ben, You also point to the 1994 team winning 55 games. That had an almost entirely new team than 94 and had MUCH of what would be 1996 72 win team. Swap out Horace for Rodman (relatively small impact on change)…adding Jordan to 94 team would be better than 96 team because Jordan would be two years younger. The takeaway is that 96 team had. 13.4 net rating and 94 team had a 3.3 net rating very similar team minus Jordan in 1994 team.

It’s not bad defense but lackluster

@@MrJcalvino thats basically the same

@@cardone4all437 no it's not. there are plenty of far worse defenders in the NBA than luka. do you categorize them all the same or do words actually have meanings?

He’s an average defender

He's not been "bad" on defense in over 2 years, and he does have an off ball game, it's just not Steph. Jesus you luka haters are nuts.

He isn’t just talking about the stats though. He spends most of the video explaining them. He also acknowledges the ways Luka is a beast.

Yep.

haha

It was like this before Kyrie too

So could brunson, who dropped 40 n had mavs up 2-1 inplayoffs no luka

Well the video also said that this was the same before Kyrie

@@freakyfridays135 Brunson was there before Kyrie.

You’re a ding dong

I’m assuming cuz obviously he’s a great player but his three ball leads to bigger leads therefore a better plus minus.

Warriors read and react system depends on his existence, when Steph is off the floor they cannot perform at the same level at all.

@@ozberkozyet 9-3 without him in playoffs and he’s -0.1 OnOff this year (one of worst of any top25 player in nba this year)

@@superdopehiphop Steph is the reason the warriors are not dead last every year in the standings, in 2020 he had broken his wrist they were dead last, since he was out, the next year in 2021 they were 6th seed before Steph got injured and they fell to the play in spot. He produces the most wins for a team compared to anyone else

@@da1boij284 no he doesn’t. Win Shares and WS/48 say otherwise. They’re literally 9-3 in Playoff games without him since 2016! Name another star ever you can say that about.

Production is oftem determine how much you get the ball and Luka gets more of those possessions than anyone else.

Oscar, Wilt, West, Kareem, AD, Magic, Bird, Jordan, Shaq, Curry, Durant, Harden, LeBron, Joker... that's 14.

@@saytr4 all your opinion not fact just saying. So good for you

@@christrammell3575 Who the hell was talking to you Captain Obvious?

Ok mavdon

If anything, his on off SHOULD BE BETTER if his roster is INJURED A LOT. KG had trash teammates and his on off are insane no matter his team.

Idk how people are shilling Luka's post allstar run when he's had such a weak schedule

@@kingdinodragonite3470 HE AVERAGED 44 minutes FOR A MONTH with half his team out. HE was off the court for like 4 minutes a game 🫵🏽😭

@@kingdinodragonite3470 that’s cause Lukas bench plays tons of garbage time minutes

Clickbait for the haters and ragebait for the fans lmao

​@@xfanatick7972 mavs have a top ten defense since their trades for PJ and Gafford. Theyve been on a roll.

Who said he doesn't impact winning

​@@freakyfridays135did you bother reading the title of the video?

They’re talking about impact metrics, specifically on/off numbers. They showed how he impacts winning statistically in the video. Did you even watch?

Lmbo good one.

This

Kyrie av 32 8 6 without Luka this year. Brunson had them up 2-1 in playoffs when he hurt. Always blame his teammates.

@@xavierb9061kyrie is the first player to actually be this good. Brunson had his moments but ultimately the mavs didn’t want to pay him more than the Knicks. He was also not as good as he is now.

Dawg did you even watch the video?? One of the categories of analysis is literally that these stats are just NOISE, and he concludes it by saying Luka is a top 15 offensive player of all time. Finish the video before you comment 😭

​@@smooth415Im convinced no one watches the videos no more. I have already seen decent amount of comments that im sure of, havent seen the video.

you cant put jokic's teammates with currys or this year boston.Nuggets players would be much worse without jokic in their team,dont think thats the case with the other two

you really trying to sneak in Curry when he was the embodiment of not playing when up. in 2016 i remember that he sat like 25% of 4th quarters even when hot that JJ podcast even mentioned it.

What are you even saying dude? If he plays with injury prone players wouldnt his +/- impact be higher? If his team is worse, that means the team's net rating should plummet more without their superstar. You are not making any sense.

Steph barely played in the 4th quarter in his 2016 run, he made the warriors go up by 20 in 3rd quarter and was able to sit out for the 4th. Steph +/- is so high because he produced winning runs for his team and was able to sit down since they are leading, he doesn't play when its a blowout or a large lead

@@davorbeljan4369 What you said makes no sense. Injury prone players miss more games. If your 2nd best player is KP or Kyrie and they are injured, the team would be worse. So how the f would his +/- be higher without his 2nd best teamate if his team is now significantly shitter without said teamate that he plays with? Your logic is broken.

Rockets were good in the regular season but fell apart every playoffs for this reason. Same reason why the Mavs are 5th and not 1st in the West, they ain't making it to the finals either.

They bashed Harden because he can be great in the regular season but come post season he’s numbers fall off big time.

Except bron is good on D when he tries and Luka is not even average

Bron literally locked up kawhi this season while outscored the whole clippers team in the 4th qtr wtf are you talking about lmaoooo. bron might look lazy defensively here and there but against good team he usually turn it up

@@willrobbins2550have you ever watched a mavs game when Luka didn’t have to carry the offense?

@@deadlylightningspirit4295 I didn’t mention anything about offense

@@willrobbins2550 omg 🤦‍♂️ when Luka doesn’t have to carry the offense he’s an average to above average defender

Nope...it get's clicks to say theyre just as good without him, despite their actual play showing otherwise.

@@andygibbs734 did you guys actually watch the video or did you just see the title and start pissing yourselves?

bron's on/off from 09 to 17 was +15 jokic's on/off from 21 to now is +16 steph's on/off from 14 to 19 was +17 luka's on/off THIS SEASON is +7.7 (career high) you're welcome

@@oliviercolletaz5841 All good, but the whole premise of this video and your response is a misunderstanding of what the box +/- is and how it should be used. How it should NOT be used is as a cross-team player v player comparison which is how both you and the "Thinking" Basketball poster are using it. It is a stat that is meaningful to the internal structure of your roster is constructed and how the coach is handling the rotation--not something to be compared with other players and teams, who each have their reasons for why they play the rotations they do. Perhaps the reason for the difference is not what I suggest, but that doesn't justify this interpretation which is just an attempt to hate on a player who makes you feel threatened because he's gonna whup your favorite team while laughing his ass off. And that's 90% of this whole advanced stat nonsense--people who don't understand how a stat is calculated, what it's used to measure, etc. pontificating on what that means about their favorite player (when the advanced stat suits them) and what it means about the player that threatens their favorite player's status (when the advanced stat has potential for negative spin, as is the case here).

@@Tophergr8 the fact you convinced yourself you're not hard coping is mind-blowing to me Anyway have a good day sir

@@oliviercolletaz5841 when you can't refute the argument, name call--thanks for taking the mask off

Zero arguments

He literally can't defend anyone