Why Don't You Believe? | "Adam"/Andrew - WV | Atheist Experience 21.11

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The Atheist Experience 21.11 for March 19, 2017 with Tracie Harris and guest Phil Ferguson.
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@josephengel8263 3 года назад

“I’m speaking in philosophical terms, obviously” Pretentious little troll

@lincolnyaco5626 4 месяца назад

Observation Hypothesis Testing Theory

@jonquist9950 6 лет назад

The caller seems like he's trying set up a "gotcha" & is getting frustrated because they aren't playing along.

@cchagrinmetal5574 6 лет назад

It’s like every other argument presented on this show.

@Boris99999 5 лет назад

Jose Gutierrez I don’t get how does asking for accurate descriptions counts as being defensive? I mean if I asked you “Do you believe in clublaghfr?” Would you first ask me “What is that?”, or would you just immediately say “No!”?

@MickeyMulligan 5 лет назад

@@JoseGutierrez-tz1ky The C argument was properly dismissed right off the bat as verbal masturbation. It is a fancy sounding but childish wank. It was thrown at me before and I simply said, replace God with anything and say it again. He refused. I then replaced it with peanut butter and he said, you simply changed the definition of peanut butter and created an isolated definition which agrees with itself. I replied "Tadah". Its ALWAYS painful to hear it, because only people who don't know anything about philosophy use it. On the internet, it has become almost a form of a test to throw that out there and see who catches it. If the person agrees with it, they don't have the knowledge level to have a serious argument or put forth a formal idea and can thus be ignored as they have not graduated yet to warrant time and energy in response. This is why most honest and serious apologists who do have an understanding of philosophy don't use it and discourage pastors and others from doing so. My personal motto is if you repeat anything William Lane Craig is saying, you've already been shown wrong. He is just Kent Hovind but a better speaker, but just an incoherent.

@alb9022 5 лет назад

And I see it as the other way round of your other way round: they have to deal with nonsensical arguments made by callers using that typical 1-way argument B.S which gets very old very fast. It doesn't end until the call's hung up. Show us someone who can debate with hundreds of these types of people without getting defensive and I'll then agree that they're too defensive.

@pdute1 5 лет назад

@@JoseGutierrez-tz1ky Honestly, how can you be so dense! The call screener tipped them off and they decided to play along! Really, listen first next time.

@n0w3lly90 5 лет назад

This guy is regularly on the show... His voice is incredibly recognizable. Why is he lying about his name/ identity/ location? Is his god okay about lying?

@ToHoldNothing 5 лет назад

More baffling the call screeners don't recognize this...either that or he's just that good at tricking people As for the moral thing, plenty of religious ideologues will skew facts, God apparently doesn't care as long as you're trying to promote its existence

@travistheangrychimp 2 года назад

i literally just finished another clip with this kid, except it was with Matt and his name was "Andrew"

@Socomhunter 2 года назад

it's fine to lie for god as long as you repent later on... basically you could even be a mass murderer, just repent & you're good.

@delbomb3131 Год назад

@@cajunking5987 just search "Canadian catholic" he's a conniving little shit

@franciscosustek7249 5 месяцев назад

Gotta lie to preach

@michaelcasey4759 5 лет назад

This one hurt my brain. Caller seems to think he's a lot smarter than he actually is

@arimfshapiro7907 4 года назад

Michael, They all do.

@johnd.shultz7423 4 года назад

As they say: a little "knowledge" is a dangerous thing...

@TheRealLucifer_Morningstar 4 года назад

The Dunning/Kruger Effect by definition.........

@ralfhaggstrom9862 4 года назад

@@johnd.shultz7423 Very ! ..............

@JohnSmith-fz1ih 4 года назад

I agree. But I thought the hosts did a poor job of articulating their objections on this occasion. Logical arguments and proofs can't show existence. For that you need evidence. They could have made that clearer. Of focused on his “If the premises are true” but then explained that it’s only those premises that matter. If the caller has evidence for premises that show a God exists or likely exists then give that evidence; no need for a logical argument. If I want to prove to someone that trees exist I don’t form premises and draw a theoretical conclusion. I just point them to a tree.

@nosfrattirek5690 6 лет назад

Damn, the hosts really weren't having any of his shit. For once, HE was the one getting frustrated and that's an absolute delight. They should ban this kid, he keeps calling under different names and always presents the ontological argument, that's a complete waste of everyone's time. Doesn't help that his voice is pretty annoying.

@heavymeddle28 6 лет назад

I'm pretty new to this show. Can you please guide me to more shows with this guy?

@SnareRushJunkie 6 лет назад

Just punch in "atheist experience andrew", first five or so hits should all be him.

@heavymeddle28 6 лет назад

@@SnareRushJunkie thanks. I should have been able to figure that out but i didn't...☺

@paulybarr 5 лет назад

@@heavymeddle28 There are dozens here on youtube- just check out The Atheist Experience

@ralfhaggstrom9862 4 года назад

His choice of words and how they follow each other IS ANNOYING .............

@johnlopperman2161 6 лет назад

I've lived so far (85yrs) a long and very interesting life with, as far as I can see, no god(s) in sight, never missed it's/their absence...and think any would only clutter it all up.

@briannanoelle562 5 лет назад

I hope you're living well!

@mtbee9641 5 лет назад

Well said John!

@aesericho3651 5 лет назад

Damn, I hope I live to 85 yrs old.

@barbaraannen3340 5 лет назад

Love you John

@HarryNicNicholas 5 лет назад

i've only made it to 65 but as i'm in perfect health and advances in tech are coming along nicely i expect to be here at the end of time. no god for me either, and after chatting about "personal experiences" i've had many close shaves (a car crash, a knife at my throat, sufficient) and never once thought "god saved me, i will believe" never even entered my head. also, so many people have been "saved by a miracle" it appears to be commonplace.

@rse1113 4 года назад

I think this kid sat through about a week of Philosophy 101 his first year of college and decided to make a phone call.

@krisaaron5771 4 года назад

I kept expecting this poor kid to break down in tears and start sobbing. Tracie and Phil really put his ass through a meat grinder!

@chriskelly3481 2 года назад

Good.

@joemiller7082 2 года назад

He’s a frequent caller and pretends to be other people. He was getting frustrated that they wouldn’t play his game.

@CronoXpono Год назад

@@joemiller7082 But I gave a coherent argument with NO WAY to test the premises!! LOL

@haydenwalton2766 2 месяца назад

rumour has it he's still in the wardrobe

@johndonahue8293 6 лет назад

I gotta stop watching these videos, I just get so worked up at the ignorance of the callers...

@PinayAdventures 6 лет назад

It get’s my blood pressure so high! Some people are so stupid

@GokoNo1 6 лет назад

It could also be an effective 'training exercise': Watch them several times, (consecutively), until you eliminate ANY cringe or reaction (3x or more should do it) Result: you can now CALMLY converse with ANY person on this planet... :-)

@nickolasgaspar9660 5 лет назад

for a weird reason I can sympathize with all 4 opinions in this thread! I would only add the two Jimmies (Karr and Jeffries) in that list.

@RWMAirgunsmithing 5 лет назад

Same here , we know we are right yet we must acknowledge their point of view or be labelled intolerant. We must always be right or else their logical fallacies are the truth. If all religious zealots would just stfu and die this planet would suddenly become a habitable world.

@Ithirid 5 лет назад

I know how you feel, mate.

@marcweeks9178 4 года назад

Adam took about one philosophy class and now he's a genius. A very stable genius.

@queezle4277 Год назад

He is what I would call a jenius

@bobs182 Год назад

He's been listening to William Lane Craig who is full of logical fallacies and tries to prove supernaturalism/unnaturalism with naturalism.

@dogearflopper7011 Год назад

Yeah, this caller is deeply invested in the form of his argument but not the soundness of the premises within it. An argument can be logically valid and also meaningless.

@RideAcrossTheRiver 3 месяца назад

@@dogearflopper7011 He also adopts a very coy, smug, yet surly tone.

@trevorvargas714 5 лет назад

lol, tracey, "lets just assume youve given us a logical arguement"

@Kagiso22 5 лет назад

A true master of the word salad👏🏽 Using his own weird philosophical proposal as evidence.. what a loon

@lincolnyaco5626 4 месяца назад

WIKI The scientific method involves careful observation coupled with rigorous scepticism, because cognitive assumptions can distort the interpretation of the observation. Scientific inquiry includes creating a hypothesis through inductive reasoning, testing it through experiments and statistical analysis, and adjusting or discarding the hypothesis based on the results.

@dontimberman5493 4 года назад

A logical argument is not evidence. How can he not see this

@joemiller7082 2 года назад

Oh, I bet he sees it. He just doesn’t care. He just wants to get them to admit they believe in something. Anything, including a nonsensical hypothetical that he doesn’t even care about.

@stevencorey7623 Год назад

And this is how darth argues aswell. He defines a god therefore he exists and according to darth you can’t question him because you are a human capable of being wrong while simultaneously dismissing himself as a human

@ArroganceClause 5 лет назад

Tracie is one of the best. I've found her to be more patient & a better listener than some of the other hosts on the show

@nuffflavor 5 лет назад

I like her and Matt.

@markklippenberg7364 Год назад

That is precisely what makes a poor host. The show is entertaining because you get to watch theist getting pummeled, not coddled. The point is to punish morons not befriend them

@ArroganceClause Год назад

@@markklippenberg7364 disagree

@Charlie_Loves Год назад

@@markklippenberg7364explanation helps us seek the truth. Condemnation just makes us look like arrogant assholes who can’t explain something as simplistic as evidence

@MAGNETO-i1i Год назад

She is hot too

@kilish 4 года назад

Caller: "are you denying logic." That's HILARIOUS!

@mistylover7398 5 месяцев назад

And ironic lol

@larryborsa4396 5 лет назад

This guy's voice is enough to make people commit murder just to make it stop.

@chriskelly3481 4 года назад

It's the whiney, smug sanctimony, followed by shrill squealing when foiled.

@vgrof2315 4 года назад

True.

@andrewsarchus7319 4 года назад

Agreed. Urge to punch rising!

@eboskie1 6 лет назад

Poor Adam... His little mind can't wrap his head around these concepts and actually understand them past the BS website he is getting his info from.

@JohnMorris-ge6hq 5 лет назад

He does sound like he is reading from a script. He keeps using the word "platonic." You might say platonic love. But his use of platonic is nonsense.

@johanbergman311 5 лет назад

@@JohnMorris-ge6hq There is more to Plato than platonic love. I think the caller is thinking of Plato's theory of ideas, see e.g. Plato's Cave.

@neilangus4401 5 лет назад

eboskie1 So true to the point that this immature person is way out of his depth and becoming tedious

@neilangus4401 5 лет назад

Johan Bergman If Plato is anything to go on Then credibility is out the window

@HarryNicNicholas 5 лет назад

what he missed entirely, and what all believers miss entirely is that even if there is a god - well - nothing, if god doesn't interact with us we can assume that his plan is playing out and we can carry on like he's not there. as they said, if you can't confirm his existence, then, nothing, it's a pointless exercise. "and then what"

@opeyemiadetifa 2 года назад

Hmm.. Adam, Andrew, Alex, Brad. I love the multiple personalities of this guy.

@Radam89 4 года назад

This guy’s seen too much from the Ray Comfort school of questioning

@chrispbacon3042 3 года назад

The Ray Cumfart school of bullshit.

@ianwilson9322 5 лет назад

I would say if you always misrepresent who you are, Adam from WV, Andrew from Rhode Island, Josh from Buffalo, you have established why no one should listen to anything you have to say.

@winstonsmith5854 5 лет назад

The dude has been so shocked that they accepted it for the sake of the argument that he did not know what the next step was 😂 REASON .. 😂😂😂

@chuckm1961 3 года назад

The dude was shocked because he was not allowed to present his argument, and was baffled as to why a show based on logic and reason would not allow him to present his purported logical argument.

@joemiller7082 2 года назад

@@chuckm1961 nah. He knows why. He knows and they know that what he’s presenting doesn’t make any sense. He doesn’t care about any of it. He cares about getting them to admit they believe in god, whatever he wants to make that mean. What he’s describing in this call is meaningless. And he never, no matter how many times he calls in and who he talks to, seems to get that they are looking for actual evidence for a specific god, not the vague idea that a manufactured by this clown type of god. He so desperate to just say “gotcha,” that he goes to extreme lengths to create a situation that is so ludicrous they should have hung up on the spot, one minute in.

@Imboredasshell 6 лет назад

3:36 Immaterial substance? Can these two words even be placed side by side in a sentence?

@johnklumpp7901 5 лет назад

As much as extremely cold, boiling hot water can "be placed side by side in a sentence".

@icemachine79 5 лет назад

@@johnklumpp7901 Yeah, but you wouldn't use them in a sentence that is describing something which actually exists.

@brianmonks8657 5 лет назад

Logic isn't evidence, that's why Science replaced Philosophy.

@annk.8750 5 лет назад

@Brian Monks ALL the thumbs up! Theists have a terrible time trying to understand that arguments are not evidence.

@_-AB-_ 3 года назад

I feel at home here. I do understand formal logic, but colloquial usage is what bugs me. If two people with similar personalities gel together then it is *like dissolves like, no rocket science here* but if opposite personalities gel together then it becomes *opposites attract, that's a no-brainer*

@D-me-dream-smp 3 года назад

Excellent summation

@joemiller7082 2 года назад

@@annk.8750 I’m skeptical he’s even a theist. He’s just a debate participant. He simply wants to say “gotcha” and I wouldn’t even be surprised if he tries to debate people on other call in shows on other topics.

@armadyl1212 Год назад

Evidence can be placed into logical arguments.. an argument with a valid structure leading to a conclusion is about logic, and whether or not the premises are true is where evidence comes in.. so what you said is just incredibly ignorant

@coudgeb 5 лет назад

Omg im so sick of hearing this person call in. He constantly tries trapping everyone on the show with bs. He just wants to hear himself talk. They should block his calls.

@MrKErocks 5 лет назад

Well, now that he's "destroyed" the show, maybe he'll never call back.

@kingjuggalo4335 3 года назад

Fucking Andrew!

@D-me-dream-smp 3 года назад

He follows the same slippery nebulous“logic” that William Lane Craig does by defining a God unto existence. He is only interested in “winning” his argument and not actually demonstrating proof to support his ridiculous claims.

@johniec5282 4 года назад

Feynman was right, he said: " your equations may be beautiful but if they don't agree with the experiments, you are wrong" ( or something to that effect)

@derwolf9670 4 года назад

That was hilarious. Love how you handled this call. Well done

@MichelleFrets 5 лет назад

the callers never understand the concept of evidence

@erikrohr4396 5 лет назад

Evidence can be used to support a premise, and the premises are used in a logical argument to prove a conclusion.

@ToHoldNothing 5 лет назад

He thinks logical arguments are somehow evidence in and of themselves, but they aren't, because the topic of theology gets into a nebulous concept. If we were defending notions like goodness or beauty, maybe we could get somewhere, but God is defined in a way that doesn't even come close to being rational or cogent. And even if one could grant some limited concept of God, that doesn't mean one has to believe in it as reality, only as a mild possibility depending on a very particular iteration of the world. And even if there was agreement on a god existing, the world would not universally agree as to whether it deserves worship, that's a whole other step

@pdute1 5 лет назад

@@erikrohr4396 Arguments establish validity, Soundness REQUIRES evidence! So Arguments CANNOT be Evidence.

@johnd.shultz7423 4 года назад

Yes,the all important main part of the puzzle they never have and ignore completely....

@davids11131113 4 года назад

I think they DO, they're just angry that they have no evidence.

@thespicablethinker7950 5 лет назад

THis guy is a guy who calls every time. And every time makes a real idiot of himself. Why do they keep talking to these callers?

@m9frank 4 года назад

Because it's entertaining for many of us

@mjSnap 5 лет назад

I wish Matt had taken this call. He'd eat this guy for lunch and use his bones as a toothpick.

@p360gaming6 5 лет назад

Tucked Up Facts! This guy has called in and talked to Matt before. Matt did rip him.

@shihoblade 4 года назад

I much prefer their method. Okay grant him the conclusion and then ask for the next step. He is terrified because there has never been a next step. His entire purpose is to play the role of a smart person by throwing around ideas someone created 1500 years ago. Matts way indulges him. This way ends the farce before it can even properly begin which is why he has that terrified whine to his voice LoL.

@jimbeaux1442 4 года назад

He would have done a better job than these two did.

@technomage6736 4 года назад

@@shihoblade Well considering the point of the show is to argue for an atheistic view, the moment the host says "ok I'm deists now", that's the conclusion of the argument. To say "Now what?" is a totally different conversation.

@shihoblade 4 года назад

@@technomage6736 Sure thatd be true if they didnt just finish explaining a million times that without supporting evidence, you cant talk your religion into reality. Without a way to actually check the validity of your argument, even if they agree, everyone involved can still be wrong. To get past a pointless unproven or unverifiable argument they just granted him his conclusion to get to the real conversation i.e something that can actually be substantiated. He has proven nothing so all he did was waste time.and obviously they arent actually deists, so what now?

@ebonie200 6 лет назад

I love this! I love watching them asking to define the terms. I felt like I was watching two people who had never heard of spirits, or gods etc. This is how we should be, we should act like we don't know what the person is talking about and get him or her to define their terms.

@Richard-jm3um 6 лет назад

That Way They Realize They Don't Have Any Idea What Are They Talking About XD

@joshcluff2 6 лет назад

Agreed, let him hear for himself the crazy coming from his mouth.

@Imboredasshell 6 лет назад

Impossible Cop I do that all the time, lol....

@brucebaker810 5 лет назад

"act like"? Until they define their terms, we have no good reason to figure we DO know what they're talking about. And pretending we have no idea what they mean by spiritualism? Go ahead. Define spirituality in meaningful real world terms. Other than guessing the answer will probably include "energy", "quantum", and 5 other buzzwords..

@erikrohr4396 5 лет назад

I think the atheists were being obtuse.

@annk.8750 2 года назад

This is hilarious! Getting him to understand is like nailing jello to the wall.

@stevenread5473 5 лет назад

This guy sounds like McLovin.

@davids11131113 4 года назад

😂💦 exactly

@maskedathiest 6 лет назад

i love when someone calls in spouting nonsense and then is upset that the host is the fool lol

@caseyday9945 5 лет назад

Can we all start a petition to get this guy banned from ever being called on again.

@D-me-dream-smp 3 года назад

But it was so much fun listening to him get frustrated when faced by logic

@pdute1 5 лет назад

One more time; Argument is NOT Evidence! Why do these kiddie philosophers keep confusing "Arguments" with "Evidence"???????

@vertigo4236 3 года назад

I don't know either, it's frustrating. So often they use "Personal Evidence". That's not how it works, evidence has to be presentable to others, if it's only for yourself it can't be evidence. Just putting two word together doesn't lead to a concept that make sense. Strait curves are a paradox. /rant off

@BaronVonSTFU 3 года назад

People used to think the earth was flat was the most reasonable conclusion. Until they tested it and proved that it wasn't.

@cloutfisher7714 3 года назад

My brain melted after the first 5 minutes of this call

@foxbotminty8565 4 года назад

my gosh... this guy has like an infinite cycle in his brain... like circular logic, but forever... i love it when he shows up... also there should just be a playlist of this guy :D

@matthew6427 Год назад

This kid comes from the "Ben Shapiro school" where you speak well (and fast) and that makes you correct, no matter what reality says.

@NerdOutWithMe 5 лет назад

Same guy, same question. Same clueless tool.

@hownottobeanasshole5675 6 лет назад

If only the theist callers could understand Kalam has been presented 1,372 times on AXP.... they are OVER it.....

@joemiller7082 2 года назад

All by this one kid.

@Heathen.Deity. 3 года назад

In short, he’s got no evidence what do ever, so he’s resorting to word salad, flawed arguments and twisting peoples words to try (badly) to get round the fact that he knows he’s got nothing.

@scikoe9982 4 года назад

It puts the immaterial platonic spirits from another realm on its skin or its gets the hose again.

@Tkokat 4 года назад

is like talking to a brick wall, this kid PS: This happens when you debate someone with the only objective of winning. He is not searching for the truth, but just trying to prove his cognitive dissonance.

@SickLikeMe2532 2 года назад

🌞 “The Sun god Ra is the only possible way the sun could move across the sky. . . therefore Ra must exist” 🌞 This is the same “logic” our caller is using.

@mistylover7398 5 месяцев назад

With da strength of RA

@bodricthered 4 месяца назад

That was simply delightful, soooo much not buying of BS, great work you two.

@apeek7 6 лет назад

Aristotle used logic to come to the conclusion that a heaver object will fall faster than a lighter object. Logic is logic so he must have been correct --- except he was wrong...

@preacherberry8901 5 лет назад

A heavier object will fall faster than a lighter object if they are falling in a fluid. It's only in a vacuum that the weight is not related to the free fall velocity. So actually, Aristotle was right. It's always good to go beyond the first course in physics and explore the intricacies of the real world. Incidentally, temperature, shape of the object, and surface characteristics play a role, as do about two dozen other variables.

@FourDeuce01 5 лет назад

Aristotle failed to use logic properly.

@Julian0101 5 лет назад

Aristotle was still wrong, he said a heaver object will fall faster than a lighter object. Period. Full stop. He did not mention any other variable. So his generalization using logic was wrong.

@annk.8750 5 лет назад

@Julian I don't know if he said that due to logic or if he just based that on intuition. But what he did not have was the empirical evidence, and his incorrect assumptions prevented him from actually doing the experiment. Logic isn't sufficient to explain reality; that's why we need science.

@jimbeaux1442 4 года назад

preacher berry is wrong. a denser object will fall faster in a fluid not a heavier object.

@adamrspears1981 4 месяца назад

"Since you believe in a god, ask your god to show theirself." -They should of said that.

@MrMcwesbrook 4 года назад

I have such a problem with people thinking that because they can say a word like "timeless" that it somehow becomes a reasonable concept.

@bobs182 Год назад

They think that math and thoughts don't exist in time and space. Thinking is an action in time and exists inside ones head. Math is a brain/mind action as the universe functions without humans measuring and counting it.

@chadhickman1684 11 месяцев назад

God is timeless, like the music of Seals & Croft

@1DangerMouse1 5 лет назад

He mentioned soundness, acknowledged it is important and yet he proceeded to argue that only validity of arguments matters in terms of whether or not you accept the argument as true... If you cannot verify whether or not the premises are true, then you have no reason to just accept the argument merely because it is valid. I wish the hosts presented it that way.

@ToHoldNothing 5 лет назад

The premises aren't even cogent usually, like some immaterial entity is just common sense to people

@D-me-dream-smp 3 года назад

How the hell can he claim the conclusion be necessarily true even if the premises are unsound.

@LetralXIV 6 лет назад

Was this kid talking about God or Dungeons & Dragons?

@alb9022 5 лет назад

Nah, he was talking about Hermione and why she hated seeing the Cruciatus used on the spider. Honestly these callers are fking hilarious. Loved his last line though.

@zackman1751 5 лет назад

yes.

@bigbriggsof1996 4 года назад

For anyone curious about what he meant about “Platonic Forms”, he was trying to reference Plato’s theory of the forms. He just did it in a really poor way.

@starfishsystems Год назад

You can see where the caller would want to go with it. Plato held these Forms to have a kind of independent existence. If you go along with that, then ideas of many kinds might equally be said to have independent existence: heaven, gods, spirit, whatever you like. If we accept that √2 "exists" then arguably heaven "exists." It's wishful thinking of the worst kind, really, in that it scrupulously avoids noticing that it is merely trying to wish something into existence.

@tedgrant2 6 лет назад

God is defined by listing his attributes. We choose those attributes. We didn't discover them, because God is not available for examination. We can't describe God. Anything we discover can be described, but because we haven't discovered God, we cannot describe him.

@anthonysmith1617 6 лет назад

Is there a vinaigrette with that word salad?

@SwangBley 5 лет назад

@@tedgrant2 You must have a very poor imagination if you think we can only describe things we've discovered.

@tedgrant2 5 лет назад

@@SwangBley You have an interesting point. So let's test that idea to see if it flies. I have bought a Christmas present for a friend. As far as you are concerned, it has not been discovered. Describe the present.

@johnklumpp7901 5 лет назад

So then this "God" is simply an imaginary concept. Not really much different to Popeye or Micky Mouse? Additionally, Popeye and Micky Mouse can both be described so they must be more real than this god.

@tedgrant2 5 лет назад

@@johnklumpp7901 God, Popeye and Mickey Mouse were designed. We want Popeye to win and get the girl. We want God to save us . It's all about what we want.

@BigSlimyBlob 3 месяца назад

Caller: "If the two premises are true, then the conclusion is necessarily true as well!" Hosts: "But what if we were wrong about the premises being true, or came to the wrong conclusion? That's why testing is important." [caller has a mental breakdown]

@HuxtableK 3 месяца назад

Yeah that was my thought. He made a valid argument. But he still had to establish that his argument is SOUND by proving the premises are true. And even then, his argument is the Kalam. Which concludes, if the premises are true, "The universe had sufficient cause". No god mentioned.

@nickokona6849 5 лет назад

It felt like his angle was “if I can get them to agree that a tree had the qualities of a god if we define it as such, then I’ve contradicted their Atreeism., and that’s my gotcha”

@brianmonks8657 5 лет назад

"It's an immaterial substance"....ok, like what?

@alb9022 5 лет назад

"You're now a more reasonable person" Line of the decade.

@barrythomson899 5 месяцев назад

Adam, B for effort F- for logic and proof. Retake next term.

@KingQwertzlbrmpf 5 лет назад

10:32 "the conlcusion neccesarily follows" That is correct. However, the conclusion is only true IF the premises can be demonstrated to be true. Which in case of the kalam cannot be done.

@ToHoldNothing 5 лет назад

And even if we granted the Kalam, it means nothing in itself, which I think this caller fully admits, which baffles me as to why he would even bring it up when his argument is suggesting that the cause of the universe must have a mind, etc

@dasuberkaiser6 5 лет назад

Wow, he sounded like he was going to cry for a while there. "If the premises are true it NECESSARILY FOLLOWS!!! WAAAAHHHH!!!! :''( :''''( :'''''(

@D-me-dream-smp 3 года назад

BUT he even admitted that his premises are faulty yet tried to claim it “proved” his point thus showing he doesn’t actually understand how logic works.

@bradzimmerman3171 5 лет назад

Adam please get a proper education before calling in

@jazzfree1541 3 года назад

Adam is pretty full of himself. Like a stroppy teenager trapping you at the dinner table.

@PureNeptune 4 года назад

WORD SALAD!

@myoneblackfriend3151 5 лет назад

The man on the left looks like a rich guy that owns a bunch companies and is usually the smartest guy in the room. Tracie on the other hand, though I don’t believe in gods, is simply divine. I love her brain. She is brilliant.

@neilangus4401 5 лет назад

Adam is a time waster He's just another ineffectual person trying to justify something that really isn't there

@JorgePetraglia2009 Год назад

It took me three minutes of the first caller to put me to comment. This guy is just trying to be as "well versed" in english as possible and he was just mumbling and throwing around half made sentences. In my neck of the woods (I'm originally from South American) we have a say that goes : "It is not the same to be profound than being down", and this fellow just proved that point. Even intelligent educated religious people have to come with the "reason" that their beliefs are a matter of faith and nothing any more concrete than that. The way this discussion over religion is changing with every generation. I'm sure I won't be around to witness what the next one will think about it (I'm 75) but I'm convinced that it will be considered a bump on our road to try to explain to ourselves nature in all its grandiosity. Greetings from Toronto.

@Andrew_O 4 года назад

10:27 - "I'm giving you 2 premises and a conclusion, the conclusion necessarily follows. Now the premises could be unsound, that's entirely possible". First they'd only be unsound if you were using arguments AS the premises. If the premises are claims about a FACT of reality, then "soundness" isn't a thing. The catch here is the premises have to be TRUE and NECESSARY to exclusively lead to your conclusion. WE DON'T ACCEPT YOUR PREMISES ARE TRUE, NOW PROVE IT. What, you can't? NEXT!!!!! I think they should create an alternate definition for "apologetics" to mean "When a host of AXP apologizes to their audience for letting another caller make bad arguments wasting far more of their time than they deserved".

@Nodrodsky 4 года назад

Just when I thought last weeks caller was a lunatic .....Here comes Adam.

@stephenolan5539 5 лет назад

I swear that some people are "if" blind. They simply can not comprehend how "if" works.

@KL-uu2vq 5 лет назад

Bless his dumb little heart. He is really vested in his need for some kind of platonic spirit. 😂. Poor thing.

@totto79121 5 лет назад

Oh, come on. Everyone knows what spirits are. I totally believe in spirits -- especially whiskey, but I also believe in tequila and rum.

@chadrasmussen6127 3 года назад

Lol

@jesusgrc1762 3 года назад

Amen!

@ryanspangler4569 3 года назад

I prefer gin, but I definitely believe in spirits😁

@brianmkolins4426 4 года назад

Do you believe this thing? You know, this thing. The thing I'm talking about. This thing here, do you believe this thing, this thing right here, you know with all its thingy properties and thingy characteristics? Come on! Stop being dense! You clearly know this thing I'm talking about... I'm describing it so well...

@aprilknight9240 5 лет назад

I get the feeling he doesn’t actually believe this stuff, his laughter when they get frustrated with his apparent inability to get their point makes me think he’s a troll who just likes to waste their time.

@LucianCorrvinus 5 лет назад

He was laughing in disbelief....

@Therap1ssed 3 года назад

Premise 1: My dog's name is Jupiter. Premise 2: Jupiter is a planet. Conclusion: My dog is a planet. Two premises that are true do not necessarily result in a true conclusion.

@llkiii3139 4 года назад

From your armchair, you can construct valid logical arguments all day long. But to determine whether those arguments are actually sound, you have to get out of your armchair look at the world.

@NeilDevlin-b5d 2 месяца назад

Adam got his philosophical degree from wish.

@adamtzsch 6 лет назад

Talks about Platonic forms, can't explain what they are. A complete non-starter. Did anyone actually catch what his "premises and conclusion" were?

@1eftnut 3 года назад

That dude just called in to say “I’m right, you’re wrong”.

@chuckzirkelbach5512 5 лет назад

I know that is mclovin

@JaySantanaofficial 4 года назад

Adam sounds what resin looks like

@peternguyen1858 4 года назад

The caller had no points, his argument was I'm right, you're wrong, please covert.

@jamessantos9861 2 года назад

The caller clearly had a script he was stuck to and tried getting to a “gotcha” moment. But they weren’t playing along with his script and it threw him off.

@doedecaheedron 5 лет назад

HOLY LACK OF EVIDENCE batman (Adam-West)

@seanmcghee2373 4 месяца назад

Instantly recognised smug in Adam's tone. I think when he said "can I ask a question first?" it would have been perfect if they told him no. Never let them do that. They instantly derail so, in this case, for instance, the "evidence" claim will be marginalized.

@Trevor_Austin 6 лет назад

Is he trying another form of presuppositionalism?

@ToHoldNothing 5 лет назад

Modal ontological argument or transcendentalism, potentially

@LucianCorrvinus 5 лет назад

@@ToHoldNothing it boils down to the usual, let's let the OneGod thru the back door.and he said it was the reframed Kalam argument, so, doesn't that make definition exact?

@ToHoldNothing 5 лет назад

@@LucianCorrvinus How exact are we talking? I still lean to ignosticism and theological noncognitivism, because theologically, no one can seem to keep a solid concept of God around that isn't incoherent or contradictory.

@paulcontursi5982 Год назад

An 'immaterial substance' makes as much sense as a married bachelor.

@NxDoyle 5 лет назад

Such a fevered little mind. And so snippy! Notes to hand, frustrated that it didn't play out like it did in his head. On more than one occasion he sounded like a kid wetting their pants at the dinner table before running to his room, shrieking.

@D-me-dream-smp 3 года назад

I’m sure it played out quite differently in his head where he dazzled everyone with his sheer brilliance. He doesn’t even realise how useless and pointless his argument is and is simply word play where you attempt to define a God unto existence. I love how frustrated he gets because they refused to get wrapped up in his airy fairy philosophical musings. He doesn’t understand how logic works and comes across like a toddler who gets upset because no one sees things the way they do

@johnlopperman2161 5 лет назад

Isn't it cute when caller looses his shit when they bon't buy his...'arguments.' 😂

@Mathewmatic 4 года назад

Whenever somebody said they are "spiritual but not religious," I have to assume they are as confused as this guy.

@josephdodd5770 6 лет назад

Phil is very good

@orchidwave2574 6 лет назад

Phil was annoying as hell, sorry.

@ssdsd5394 6 лет назад

I like Phil. ...I kind of converse the same way...it's nice if they are ....mean as hell if they are punks 😂😂😂

@orchidwave2574 6 лет назад

Well, it's too annoying to watch this video a 2nd time, but say at 5:09, the caller is trying to provide a working definition of God, and as he's in the middle of listing what he thinks should be God's attributes, Phil jumps in with 'How do you know this?' , and even Tracy has to wave him off to let the caller finish his definition. They asked for a definition, so SHUT UP as the caller provides it. I'm pretty glad Phil doesn't seem to be a regular on this (or maybe he is, I don't watch many of these).

@LucianCorrvinus 5 лет назад

@@orchidwave2574 Tracie didn't wave him off , she was calming him. And your damned right I wouldn't let someone sneak past me a bring to whom a series off definitions that are things that remove that being from the material and cannot be given context as they are non attributes...

@hansj5846 Год назад

Caller: Do you believe in blablabla? Normal person: I don't know what blablabla is. Caller: But do you believe in blablabla? Unreal stupidity 😂

@ElYeyo1989 5 лет назад

Oh, it’s McLovin presenting the Kalam Argument again! What a particular voice! Haha

@corydude2008 5 лет назад

Once again ...someone please slap the damn caller about 500 times...😶

@InterestsMayVary2234 Год назад

This is a kid who thinks they're smarter than they are and doesn't really understand that arguments are not evidence. He has been convinced by nonsense and cannot understand that some people are far smarter than that.

@liamfoote7164 3 года назад

I feel like a big part of his frustration was just that they were speaking past each other and using different language. If they had just said I don't care about that argument unless you can show the premises are true then I think they would have been on the same page.

@andrewtruett8590 3 года назад

Exactly this. The hosts did not let him present the argument or its premises. So when the hosts said lets assume we believe your argument, he was taking that as "We accept your premises, and believe the argument is sound" which is why he was frustrated when they then said the conclusion wouldn't follow. Pretty frustrating to hear the hosts completely miss this misunderstanding.

@brendanpmaclean 5 лет назад

“Now you’re a more reasonable person.” Wonders never cease.

@ebay3472 Год назад

Lol imagine not knowing the difference between an argument, and evidence.

@laserbuddha 5 лет назад

This guy has called in several times under different names, most of the calls are to Dillahunty. And he uses always the same "philosophical mumbo-jumbo" arguments.

@ARCT3CH 5 лет назад

I love how people will call in with the Kalam Cosmological argument, or the Watchmaker analogy, or Design from Complexity, ect genuinely believing that they have discovered something revolutionary and indisputable that nobody has ever heard of a million times.