Why Don't You Believe in God on Faith? | Alex/Andrew? - Colorado? | Atheist Experience 21.15

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The Atheist Experience 21.15 for May 16, 2017 with Matt Dillahunty and Jen Peeples.
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@jmwild1 5 лет назад

The problem with arguing with theists is that they can't understand how "I don't know" is an acceptable answer.

@destronia123 5 лет назад

They see "I don't know" as being equivalent to "Goddidit". ;)

@BornOnThursday 5 лет назад

Plus we could create hypotheses all day on what could be, but if they aren't demonstrable, they are only philosophical and cannot be used to prove anything outside of how creative the people debating are.

@destronia123 5 лет назад

@@umairz2178 Of course it is just a lame excuse to justify unfounded belief. It amounts to, "If you can't provide a satisfactory explanation, then I'm logically justified in picking the explanation I see fit, for no particular reason". ;)

@CattleCluj 5 лет назад

I'm worried that this way of thinking, believing that saying "I don't know" is not an acceptable answer, is perpetuated in schools. Because of this, we find ourselves among adults who are afraid to admit that they don't know, even when it's clear that they don't know. I think that this is one of the big faults of the education system in general. I'm not saying that the education system is bunk as a whole, I'm just saying that there are a few holes in it and I think this is one of them.

@maskedathiest 5 лет назад

my son is 8 years old. he already understands that "i dont know" is an acceptable answer.

@hareofsteel 5 лет назад

Your teenage girlfriend may be impressed with your veneer of depth, but you are dealing with professionals here. Welcome to adulthood.

@russwilson2305 5 лет назад

hareofsteel -It is soap bubble thin.

@lorentaylor593 5 лет назад

Lol

@JohnMorris-ge6hq 5 лет назад

Oh no you didn't! LOL :)

@Pranav-rp8wi 5 лет назад

That guy thinks too much about himself

@jamieg2427 4 года назад

@@Pranav-rp8wi On the contrary, the kid is willing to give up positions gracefully, admit he's wrong, confused, and he's patient. He's trying to figure out how he understands the universe and in addition to the weak sauce Kalam's cosmological argument, he's also looking at what Krauss is talking about. It seems to me that he might sort things out for himself eventually. If matt from the past called into today's Atheist Experience, current Matt would have eviscerated him.

@zer0gravity184 2 года назад

The fact he gave this kid 24+ minutes to say nothing shows how generous Matt is with his time.

@CronoXpono Год назад

*Used to be* LOL None of that shit anymore, there's legit no way we can expect him to be throwing THAT MUCH ENERGY for someone who's geniunely plugging their ears and going na nananana.

@martinkuliza Год назад

Technically HE DID SAY SOMETHING Therefore your argument is fallacious LMFAO

@adriangeh6414 Год назад

The entire 'conversation' between matt and the caller was complete navel-gazing nonsense.

@queezle4277 Год назад

I think conversations like this really show the fencesitters and questioners that theism is not the right answer. This tool is a good teaching tool.

@moonytheloony6516 Год назад

@@martinkuliza Technically you're being disingenuous which is rather dishonest. Perhaps it's because you have nothing of substance to add. Having the mind of a twit creates limitations Martina... Let us who have an education do the talking. Meanwhile you can do the only thing you're capable of doing right, which is restocking the hot dog cooker when you begin your night shift at 7-Eleven. Now you know your role in this world. You're Welcome.

@HDitzzDH 3 года назад

- "Can you demonstrate that God exists" - "No but..." That's basically where the conversation ends. This is the vital point that has to be answered in order for the entire God argument to progress.

@haudace 2 года назад

Agreed - Honestly, the call should have ended within 4 minutes. The caller made that mistake much earlier.

@tweezerjam 2 года назад

Wu Tang Forever ✊🏼

@bobdobbs943 2 года назад

@@tweezerjam atheists dont deserve a reason for god. let them die and find out the hard way.

@fearandloathing9976 2 года назад

@@bobdobbs943 There’s no hate quite like Christian love :)

@bobdobbs943 2 года назад

@@fearandloathing9976 Atheists dont want an answer and any given to them they just make fun of and show contempt. You should know this. Its not hate. Its the truth. The only way for sure to find out is to die. Do you agree with this?

@DaviesMartinezBeats 5 лет назад

Debate in a Nutshell: Caller makes 50 separate claims he is unable to prove....

@DaviesMartinezBeats 5 лет назад

@william perkins - Cheers William, counting never was my strong point..... I think I may have dozed off while listening to his multiple 'claims' which did not help either....

@DaviesMartinezBeats 5 лет назад

@william perkins - And you too Brother....

@alkestos 5 лет назад

Charmiskit that is pretty ridiculous claim to say every right wing/conservative argument is without "proof", I would rather use word evidence in this case but that's not important. I would even say you're being arrogantly ignorant here. Reminds me highly of creationists.

@turtledink5675 5 лет назад

That's like all of the 'debates' on this channel lmao

@ralfhaggstrom9862 5 лет назад

Every EFFING time .....................

@kjpark0907 5 лет назад

No matter how “complex” a Christian’s argument is at some point will have to concede that it is based on faith and almost always an argument from ignorance. I don’t know; therefore, God.

@oldschoolsaint 5 лет назад

Squid GamingYT You clearly did not understand the caller's point, which was that we all operate out of ignorance to one degree or another. All forms of knowledge and belief are built on foundational propositions for which there is no evidence. The caller was merely asserting that God is a foundational belief.

@oldschoolsaint 5 лет назад

The Fox Strikes Yup.

@oommcc 5 лет назад

@@oldschoolsaint I am sorry you are the one who didn't understand. That is a false equivalent. The pen example was good. You may have a degree of ignorance if the pen will work. Once you test it you have no ignorance. You cannot do the same with cheap myths such as gods, flying unicorns and so on

@oldschoolsaint 5 лет назад

What exactly is a false equivalent?

@GoodSteve123 5 лет назад

I assume they mean false equivalency. False equivalency is the logical fallacy that two arguments are logically equivalent when in fact they aren't. Saying that you have faith in the pen that it works so you're justified in believing in god on faith is a false equivalency. Why? Because we can demonstrate that the pen works, we have evidence that pens have worked in the past, and we have demonstrable evidence to point to what a pen does. You cannot say any of those things about god. Therefore, it's a false equivalency to assert that thinking that pen will work is the same as believing there is some magical sky daddy that made everything. Demonstrate that.

@jwcarlson 3 года назад

Glad Alex took the time to call in from the metal bucket factory during his break.

@katyungodly 2 года назад

19:53 22:31 23:43 😂😂😂

@niks5939 2 года назад

Sounds like he is still using a rotary phone

@richiejohnson 2 года назад

Oh, I just got that!

@Apanblod 2 года назад

No wonder he had to cut the call short at the end, his break was up!

@philippeberaldin5457 2 года назад

He gives a bad name to metal bucket factory workers

@crusader5989 10 месяцев назад

The amount of patience that is required to deal with religious people🤦🏻‍♂️

@puckerings 4 года назад

This kid has *so many* gotchas, and Matt has a direct response to each and every one right off the cuff, because he's heard all this shit before. It's quite entertaining.

@_Louch_ 2 года назад

Ikr

@Cal6009 2 года назад

I know I almost feel bad for him but he chose to enter the dojo.

@MrCph2200 2 года назад

@@Cal6009 I did feel bad for him. The caller showed nothing but respect and genuine interest.

@davidlee4903 2 года назад

@@MrCph2200 Interesting. I found his assertions about Matt to be disrespectful. The caller came in assuming he was correct.

@MaxPowers2.0 2 года назад

Yeah was quite an impressive display of intellectual and philosophical sparring. Too bad the kid is wasting his brain believing in god

@djjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj 3 года назад

It's always pretty comical when a theist says that their god is "timeless and spaceless" or "exists outside of reality". It's like they don't even know what they just said.

@ThermaL-ty7bw 3 года назад

an atheist position is routed Reality a theist position is routed in their imagination of reality there never EVER has BEEN an ''argument'' or a ''debate'' with these fairy tale believing ''people'' haven't seen one in my lifetime and nobody ever will you can't argue with someone who doesn't live in your own reality , now , can you ? that's what bothers me the most , no matter how much you present reality , you're always talking to a wall of ignorance and DECEIT

@at6686 3 года назад

Sounds like my rich, spectacular, super model girl friend.

@blakewilkins63 3 года назад

I used to say that all the time, and now I realize how stupid it was that I said that😂

@at6686 3 года назад

@Tiberiu Farcas Me too.

@Daynnikes 3 года назад

Basically saying it doesn’t exist

@scottmoore7588 4 месяца назад

If someone asked me why I don’t believe god exists based on faith, I’d just ask them why they don’t believe god _doesn’t_ exist based on faith.

@steev.homohumanism 2 года назад

Alex: *throws a trolley full of dirty dishes down the stairs* Matt: "I'm not saying the universe I'm saying the cosmos" Alex: *backs a forklift onto a seven lane freeway* Matt: "When physicists say nothing they don't mean absence of anything" Alex: *bangs ancient Chinese gong* Matt: "I don't believe nothing can be acted upon" Alex: *launches a twelve cannon salute* "hello?"

@sebastianfeuerstein9306 2 года назад

23:43 yeah, I was also confused with where those sounds were coming from 😆🤣😂

@kevind6723 2 года назад

Bruh after reading this comment. I rewatched the and I laughed so fucking hard every time he made some wacky ass noise. Thank you sir. That was too god damn funny.

@sebastianfeuerstein9306 2 года назад

@@kevind6723 it had me dying as well 😂

@2D_SVD Год назад

It should be illegal to make comments THIS funny 🤣

@temporaryscars Год назад

Lolol this comment is gold.

@gusgrizzel8397 5 лет назад

I believe in fairies. I have no evidence, I have no proof, and it makes me feel good.

@raghusj2473 5 лет назад

you're a fool you provided evidence and proof. it makes me sad

@dcmllocke4457 5 лет назад

@@raghusj2473 Which makes me happy lol

@Palmieres 5 лет назад

Wait... but which version of fairies? The old European folk-type fairies which were more like trickster imps with twisted features and spiky hair, or the pretty, tiny and glittery Tinkerbell winged type? You're about to start a religious war here, pal.

@redwatch. 4 года назад

They wear boots and you gotta believe me.

@jonsnor4313 4 года назад

Even tolkien elves are a variation fairies, Which fairies?

@davids11131113 3 года назад

He’s got a smug voice like ‘I’m actually too smart to even be talking to you’

@D-me-dream-smp 3 года назад

The dangers of consuming way too much William Lane Craig - it makes you sound like a prat.

@kevinlakeman5043 3 года назад

Yep, but it's just a pathetic front the arrogantly ignorant use. It's been a staple of Fox 'news' for 20 years or more. You being from the very start to not have any respect for those who disagree with you (or show a semblance of actual intellect). This gives the easily impressed the impression that you're not to be respected on your views, or your possession of basic logic, even if they're supported with sound evidence and reasoning. It's pretty sheep-like behavior.

@anuscanis7463 3 года назад

@@D-me-dream-smp Or too much Mike Winger and Trinity Radio.

@davids11131113 3 года назад

Yea it’s like Anderson Cooper, with their smug looks and constant expression like ‘Don’t you realize how important I am?’ ... can’t stand those guys.

@mefordguy 2 года назад

His vocal fry is off the charts

@kimmygibler760 3 года назад

When you are the smartest one in your group of incredibly guillable friends...

@chrisw2514 Год назад

Classic response when a point they don't agree with is made: I wanna move on.

@fabig1736 4 года назад

"Our fear of not knowing the answer encourages us to accept answers before they are sufficiently justified." What a brilliant sentence.

@samuelmiller7337 3 года назад

Man ALIVE, this caller. He's like an amalgamation of every completely frustrating argument I've ever been in.

@BlGGESTBROTHER 3 года назад

Plus his voice grates on your nerves after a while. He's so condescending and smug.

@TmanT321 3 года назад

Clearly a stupid kid who thought he knew more than these seasoned debate professionals. He immediately lost the argument when he said "god is timeless and spaceless" because that means he exists outside of the time-space continuum, outside of our reality. (meaning he doesn't exist)

@illeagle9560 2 года назад

@@TmanT321 I mean there could be multiple realities in which he does exist or does not, but if he's outside of ours then yeah to us he does not exist and can never be contacted.

@24magiccarrot 2 года назад

@@TmanT321 Turns out he was always an atheist and was just trolling.

@mackhomie6 2 года назад

turns out?

@LOwens-xf8yo Год назад

Damn it Matt, you are NOT following my script! Every caller that agues ferociously that “nothing can be infinite” ends with “god is infinite.”

@MsKaystra 2 года назад

The kid came in sparring and it was great. Regardless of what people think of the caller it sure made this episode one of the most entertaining I have seen on the show.

@chad5696 5 лет назад

Debate in a Nutshell: I've lost this argument, so can we please move to something else. Can't you see I'm trying to dodge the question.

@aceofleaf606 5 лет назад

"I know that my responses are not to your satisfaction."

@endemion06463 5 лет назад

That pretty much describes every episode :-)

@gusgrizzel8397 5 лет назад

They always call up totally unprepared, they just wing it, and stumble over their words. They aren't even good debaters or able to defend their views.

@endemion06463 5 лет назад

I've seen Matt in plenty of serious debates. It doesn't really matter you just can't rationalize religion.

@oldschoolsaint 5 лет назад

I suggest you listen to the callers arguments and Matt's responses more carefully. In a controlled debate the caller would have wiped the floor with Matt. The kid should have known that you can't debate someone who has complete control of the microphone and who has the luxury of always having the last say. Matt's responses to the callers arguments were worthy of a high school freshman.

@bryanleduc6106 5 лет назад

I can claim to have a super power - I can fly -- but dont ask me to demonstrate it. You just have to believe me.

@stephenolan5539 4 года назад

I like the movie Mystery Men. There is Invisible Boy. But he can only turn invisible when no one is watching. Not even him.

@terrypussypower 3 года назад

@@stephenolan5539 I have that exact same superpower!

@lisahenry20 3 года назад

@@terrypussypower you're alone in your room one day and try to turn invisible. You realise you can't. (curtsey of tumblr (I think))

@tincanstantheman 3 года назад

Need to have faith

@charleskimathi2157 3 года назад

@John Thijm Thijm flying spaghetti monster feeds you in your sleep All hail the flying spaghetti monster. R'amen " And he said, thou fool hath saith in thy stomath there is no spaghetti monster" be saved

@brent8183 2 года назад

"What the hell was that?", the sound that prompted it, the following sounds and the way the caller abruptly hangs up immediately after with no further comment is absolutely golden. I'm dying right now..

@frankvee 3 года назад

"I'm expanding but that doesn't mean the Universe is expanding". -- Matt Dillahunty. LOL I love your sense of humor, Matt, and your brilliant mind.

@acerodriguez1058 4 года назад

All those strange random noises at the end of the call was his argument falling apart piece by piece

@RooEfx 3 года назад

Having some trouble with his Realdoll.

@valerieh.708 3 года назад

Hilarious.

@D-me-dream-smp 3 года назад

Shattering I like to think

@MrRed-cf6gk 3 года назад

I like at the beginning... "I'm a THEIST *loud heavy breathing and crackling*" 😂

@johnd.shultz7423 3 года назад

@@MrRed-cf6gk Alex was having great difficulty breathing through his Darth Vader mask and holding a coherent debate....

@isabelmauro4387 4 года назад

"Our fear of not knowing the answer encourages us to accept answers before they're sufficiently justified" -Matt Dillahunty

@ThalassicMeasure 3 года назад

Says he's not demanding absolute proof. A minute later: "Can you absolutely prove the laws of logic."

@carlrosa1130 Год назад

This kid, Alex, must have been a ballerina in a different life. I've never seen so many bends, moves and dancing.

@LiborTinka 4 года назад

"there has to be some entity beyond time" ...is the same kind of sloppy thinking as: "there has to be a tortoise holding our flat earth so it won't fall down"

@quantustremorestfuturus5434 3 года назад

Don't forget the elephants! The Earth would roll off the turtle if it wasn't for the 4 elephants, that give optimal stability to it.

@KS4RonPaul 3 года назад

Sloppy thinking? Energy doesn't die, it only changes forms. Wouldn't that mean energy is eternal? I.E. beyond time? Maybe you should pull your foot out of your mouth, you might start making sense.

@quantustremorestfuturus5434 3 года назад

@@KS4RonPaul What are you calling "energy"? Oh and energy can be transformed into matter.

@LiborTinka 3 года назад

@@KS4RonPaul "eternal" means infinite in time, therefore meaningless without the concept of time energy is just a physical concept, a property of fields, not existing as a separate entity existense itself is temporal

@terryboot7777 3 года назад

Tortoises all the way down.

@tylerkasuboski3366 5 лет назад

This caller has an annoying, condescending voice. And he's a wannabe intellectual.

@ralfhaggstrom9862 4 года назад

And TOTALLY trashed ! ...........................

@Alex-he5pj 4 года назад

Anyone else feel like he is the precursor of Jordan Peterson

@Alex-he5pj 4 года назад

@Christopher Adams it wasn't his voice although that was a definite factor it was more the content of his argument. It was propped up on metaphysics that he hadn't thought about for more then 5 mins

@boberbib3178 4 года назад

Why dos this channel have more slow idots callers?

@drg8687 4 года назад

@Christopher Adams Tone matters, dipshit

@Melisamonet 2 года назад

I love this show !!! Just found you guys....so excited for a binge on all your episodes 😀😊

@mrkutty0 2 года назад

You're gonna be on YT for a long time. Worth it tho😊

@michaelbath6306 2 года назад

Life changing..❤

@realveral5383 Год назад

@@michaelbath6306 fr

@thomasking9524 11 месяцев назад

I don't think god herself has seen ALL the episodes.

@johns1625 7 месяцев назад

I've been watching since 2011 and one thing that has never changed since the beginning are how confident the callers are and how they always fall flat on their faces. Always bringing up the same bad points and non-arguments. I was unsubscribed for a decade but came back recently and it's literally still the same and that's so hilarious to me. Religion has one thing going for it, it never fucking changes 😆😆

@chrism6315 2 года назад

'I'm expanding that doesn't mean the earth is expanding' was hilarious

@scienceexplains302 5 лет назад

“But I’ve added special pleading to my unfounded claim , so no problem with the claim.”

@videomania666 3 года назад

Alex was venting at the end and trolling noises and sound effects while matt was talking as he couldn't win the argument as no one has ever been able to.

@Julian0101 3 года назад

I think he was playing a videogame, it is still annoying and doesnt help him prove his argument though.

@oljo0527 3 года назад

I mean the only thing I could think about when the noises started was "did my man just call in to this talkshow from an active warzone only to be schooled?"

@starlaminde8436 Год назад

@@oljo0527 😂😂

@starrynight7783 3 года назад

Alex sounds like he watched William Lane Craig's series of videos and was dazzled then began spouting everything he heard.

@steveswangler6373 2 года назад

One of the main things that I’ve learned from watching this channel is that the person that can admit “I don’t know” is much more intelligent, humble and confident than any of the people that need to twist and turn their minds to some form of god

@brianrichards3119 9 месяцев назад

I agree. Religion is rather dishonest when it comes to the big existential questions concerning time, space, infinity, the beginnings of life etc. Sometimes the more honest answer is to admit that we don't know yet. The dishonest answer is to invent "God" because we can't cope with not knowing.

@jeffbeck8993 2 месяца назад

I like the way Neil DeGrasse Tyson says he doesn't know. "We don't know, but we've got top people working on it".

@ohhgeez865 5 лет назад

You can literally hear his mind exploding through his mic

@yosephberhan7158 4 года назад

Best part about religious people's argument: "so we know that..." *lists a bunch of things we have absolutely no proof for*

@CroatiaSurvival 4 года назад

yoseph berhan I have a friend who tried providing me with religious “truths” when I started having my doubts. Actually made me leave theism faster.

@unstablefusion3 Год назад

The kid: I’m going to DESTROY you with feelings and fallacy.

@mattrickswayze2917 2 года назад

As his smugness fades, the goofy sound effects start.

@sandykay1593 3 года назад

Imagine doctors during a surgery doing stuff based on their faith..

@slomotionproductions8005 3 года назад

Good point Sandy!

@faithhope7704 2 года назад

Well said

@whispersmith Год назад

Don't have to imagine anymore, check out Florida

@Vhlathanosh Год назад

Doctor: I believe you liver is gone. *Pulls out a functioning liver.* Yanks out kidneys as well cause reasons.

@KoRmA-Alt 7 месяцев назад

@@whispersmithcuh it’s getting worse down here istg, everywhere I go there’s smthn religious, the only other atheist I’m close with is my mom💀

@eightotu 3 года назад

If someone can prove it without saying “I think” “I feel” “I believe”, then I’m listening.

@NB-qm7rk 3 года назад

"the Bible says..."

@eightotu 3 года назад

@@NB-qm7rk that too I forgot. Good man.

@mysticwine 2 года назад

Prove what?

@eightotu 2 года назад

@@mysticwine the existence of god

@niks5939 2 года назад

Show proof of gods existence. Alex's proof: trust me bro

@bruford911 2 года назад

This old Matt was so patient!

@dupersuper1000 3 года назад

I love the “Happy Easter” right after excoriating religious apologists at the end.

@ConcealedCourier 5 лет назад

"I'M expanding; the doesn't mean the UNIVERSE is expanding!.. Actually I've lost 30 lbs." LMFAO!!

@mrfester42 4 года назад

Leon is getting Laaaarger!

@secularteejay 3 года назад

The chuckle I heard in the background from probably the people in the studio had me dying laughing.

@joriskemper5392 3 года назад

Otherwise it would be a big shrink or bounce..

@josephengel8263 3 года назад

People rip on Matt for being impatient, but he was a saint here. This caller is so snarky and dishonest.

@Ergeniz 2 года назад

I utterly detest this shit. When theists are called on evidence for their god they proceed to disingenuously start to question us on whether reality itself is real. An attempt to make reasonable axioms and presuppositions invalid so they can equivocate their god.

@jool7793 2 года назад

Impatient ? This guy is a saint. I don’t know how he does it without hanging up on these idiots every time.

@Byorin Год назад

This is a very dishonest caller. He kept pursuing Gotcha moments and then deflecting when Matt either didn’t go for the bait or directly dismantled his point. I don’t believe at all that he was interested in an open-minded exchange of ideas. His approach and voice were slimy.

@dongilchrist7385 3 года назад

Great show,there is nothing better than fact and logic, thank you Matt.

@Mike-os3pt 4 месяца назад

Idk about that, have you ever had *really* good sushi?

@LaRossaSelvaggia 4 года назад

Aww, he’s taking his first philosophy class, so he decided to challenge the masters. Adorable.

@johnbongjoey5200 5 лет назад

The last couple of minutes of the call is hilarious. With the strange noises and Matt saying "WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT?"

@chadrasmussen6127 3 года назад

Lmao ya what WAS it Lol I agree

@DuckInGameStop 3 года назад

Lol, I'm at about 21 minutes in at the moment but looking forward to hearing these strange noises people are commenting about.

@DuckInGameStop 3 года назад

update: just reached the point where the strange noises begin, and they are indeed hilarious.

@paulmcdonald312 2 года назад

This is probably one of the funniest episodes I've watched, this caller is quite eloquent, but because he's indoctrinated he contradicts himself constantly, but can't see it himself!

@beauknozbezt Год назад

“Okay? Belief without evidence. Now it’s even worse” lmaoo

@jesseriker3076 5 лет назад

The caller's voice is like fingernails on a chalkboard.

@bill3901 5 лет назад

he does that "vocal fry" thing...

@youtubeisawebsite7484 5 лет назад

Vocal fry + crackly radio connection. Definitely not a good combination.

@This_Justin001 5 лет назад

I'm pretty sure this is Eric Dubay, that flat-earth RU-vid geek.

@manonymous4737 5 лет назад

Justin Carbaugh I am certain you are wrong about that.

@This_Justin001 5 лет назад

@@manonymous4737 well, shit. Can't win em all I guess.

@MustbeTheBassest 3 года назад

This is one of my favorite clips from the show. The delusional arrogance of the caller from the start to his utter defeat and pathetic whimper at the end. This caller has changed his name many times with other hosts and I'm so happy he finally met up with Matt.

@ronitsrivastava377 Год назад

Your name also doesn't seem correct 😅

@MustbeTheBassest Год назад

@@ronitsrivastava377 correct?

@ronitsrivastava377 Год назад

@@MustbeTheBassest Just joking man. I think that guy actually has a lot to say and never gets the time.

@MustbeTheBassest Год назад

@@ronitsrivastava377 what's the joke?

@ronitsrivastava377 Год назад

@@MustbeTheBassest Your name sounds like a cartoon character.

@AMore429 3 года назад

“Hello? Ok. Thank you. Now I’ll go away and regroup” Destroyed ! Love it.

@JayMaverick 3 года назад

The best and most valuable thing in this call is when Alex says "I don't understand."

@yuuseir3391 2 года назад

We presume he means by that: life, the universe, the cosmos, and the rest.

@bonchbonch 5 лет назад

I recognize this caller from other episodes. Matt is like a cat toying with its prey.

@JohnMorris-ge6hq 5 лет назад

He has other Utube videos on other topics. He doesn't know what he is talking about on those other topics as well.

@patriciamcgeorge2575 4 года назад

@@JohnMorris-ge6hq Can you provide a source? I'm curious lol

@amacuro 4 года назад

he fucked him up when he changed universe to cosmos

@mauricedavis1740 3 года назад

i have a friend that has the same kinda logic as this caller and it’s very annoying..

@alext7074 3 года назад

He called several times and talked to different people and started exactly the same way. Same arguments, same bullshit. That script of his must have been worth writing, it got much use.

@mrcemetery 5 лет назад

That day when McLovin called in.

@EroticPlatypus 5 лет назад

Lulz wow..I literally cant stop picturing him now when this guy talks

@Despondencymusic 5 лет назад

HA! wiki wiki wiki...

@jkfeatherranch 5 лет назад

Nah, I went to school with McLovin, I want to say he was smarter than this guy

@mac10ner 4 года назад

😂😂😂😂😂

@christopherwilliams5808 4 года назад

Lmao

@Mewse1203 Год назад

"Faith is belief without evidence" "Now it's even worse" "I disagree but I want to move on" He wanted to move on because he realized he accidentally sprung a trap and hoped no one would noticem

@Antares2 3 года назад

23:44 You can actually hear the theist's brain trying to start up.

@redwatch. 4 года назад

Matt at his best. I learned a lot from this. The man is a logic surgeon.

@Blozox 4 года назад

But kind of a small hypocrite. What i mean by this is that the caller talks and Matt cuts him off or starts talking over the caller but it seems like he cant stand it when the caller talks over him. Ps. Have not watched the video yet, this was ment in general.

@upplsuckimcool16 4 года назад

@@Blozox Well he's definitely a hypocrite in that regard lol. You can see he's trying to not be that way though. It's just hard when you've heard all the arguments and already have an answer and don't really have the patience to wait for them to read from a book you've memorized by heart and can navigate to any exact line in his head. as it is read.

@nosuchthing8 4 года назад

@@Blozox he only does that when the caller wont get to the point.

@JazzyArtKL 4 года назад

@@Blozox Cutting off because he deviates from the question asked!

@Fishmorph 4 года назад

@@Blozox Hypocrite? No, he's a talk show host. Those are the rules of the game. Nobody promised the callers that they would get to witness on the air, uninterrupted. Someone has to steer the conversation. When a debate begins with an unproved assertion, it's best not to let that person get to "...and therefore, X is true."

@perkeyser2032 5 лет назад

Is it just me, or does he sound increeedibly arrogant?

@jahrta 5 лет назад

Well, he believes an eternal omniscient omnipotent entity created the cosmos to serve as his playground, so.........yeah......

@kayomholt-montague7661 5 лет назад

Yes! That is very true of almost every religious nut job I've heard and/or spent time with.

@TheTruthKiwi 4 года назад

Yes he does because they think that they're going to a higher place if they suck up their gods ass enough

@darkstar4494 4 года назад

Per Keyser I think it’s just you. I think he’s a clever kid who’s working his way through this stuff. “Incredibly arrogant” is not remotely fair. He was a little bit cavalier in the beginning because I suspect he thought this would be an easy victory for him, But his thinking that isn’t the product of arrogance, it’s called being 17. He was overconfident, maybe a little full of himself, but that got smacked out of existence after a few minutes talking to these athiests, Which is fine. It’s not like he kept a smug demeanor the whole time. Once he realized he didn’t know as much as he thought he knew, he adopted an appropriate tone.

@darkstar4494 4 года назад

Everyone here so quick to judge. Not only that he’s arrogant, but the fact that he’s arrogant is somehow related to his theism. Yes theism is arrogant from a certain point of view, but fro those who believe it that think they are doing a good thing, it’s not arrogant as it exists in their view. They aren’t arrogant people. They’re just indoctrinated.

@richardbradley1532 3 года назад

Faith is a key tenet of religion for a good reason.

@johnsperry9494 Месяц назад

W C Fields: "Everyone should believe in something. I believe I'll have another drink."

@larryfulkerson4505 4 года назад

I cannot go to church any longer. All the face palming is making my forehead bleed.

@scubasteve7666 3 года назад

Still going?

@larryfulkerson4505 3 года назад

@@Ichabod_Jericho I'm a militant atheist and that was a lame attempt at a joke. We're going to turn churches into museums in the future. And by the way, natural disasters exist therefore god does not. this isn't rocket science.

@24magiccarrot 2 года назад

@@larryfulkerson4505 I'm a an atheist but we'll never get rid of churches completely too many people rely on their god-belief as a means of coping with the fear of death. And natural disasters existing therefore god does not is a dumb argument against ehe existence of god, plenty of god models including the Christian model take into account the existence of gods and natural disasters happening.

@iggysfriend4431 5 лет назад

Matt nailed it in his first sentence "Which god."

@voiceoftruth2646 4 года назад

There is only one God. The various religions choose to call him by various names. The only real change is the doctrines. Bible tells us many will worship false gods and there will be gods god gods all over the place, so it's no surprise. The one thing which makes the God of the Bible the true God, is what NO OTHER religion on earth has...Jesus Christ. The atheist can know that God our creator is the God of the Bible by simply researching. The answer to ''which god and why'' is answered all over the internet. So for the host of this stupid show to say ''which god''...shows he never studies and DOES NOT WANT truth. Those atheists who really don't want truth, are those who mock and attack but never go on an honest search for it.

@williambarnes5023 4 года назад

Cool story, bro. By your fruits, hypocrisy and projection, I have known thee.

@aggie7756 4 года назад

@@voiceoftruth2646 Yep, you're absolutely correct. The almighty, all knowing, and one and only Flying Spaghetti Monster!

@voiceoftruth2646 4 года назад

@@aggie7756 Replacing the word 'God' with “flying spaghetti monster” is a classic straw-man fallacy. You're literally creating a weaker version of the argument and knocking it down. Of COURSE the argument sounds ''silly'' if you arbitrarily replace the subject! You fail to realize that ‘God’ being the subject, actually has certain properties, attributes and features which give the word a meaning differing from ''flying spaghetti monster''. Now, if you wish to say the spaghetti monster ALSO has the same features, attributes etc... then you're really describing God, behind the caricature!

@aggie7756 4 года назад

@@voiceoftruth2646 You genuinely think I was making a serious argument about the FSM? Lol!! Pointing out a "fallacy" in humorous matters when your entire make-belief story is the mother-of-all fallacies.

@MrMattSax 7 месяцев назад

“Our fear of not knowing the answer [to something we don’t understand] encourages us to accept answers before they are sufficiently justified” That’s religion in a tidy box.

@Letsgetreal521 3 года назад

Clearly he came unprepared! I love this channel, I grew up in the Baptist church just like the host and after doing my own research I became an atheist because there is no proof that GOD exists and no one not even a pastor can prove to me that there is a GOD unless they use the Bible which has many cracks and crevices that make no sense

@kevinanderson469 5 лет назад

1:58 - 2:05 "Which God are you claiming that you have a direct experience with" "Well, iT dOeSn'T rEaLlY mAtTeR. . ."

@Arkloyd 4 года назад

@Tannis It also means that the caller is quite aware that if he let himself be nailed down to his specific god/s, he'd get torn apart.

@tomosko2669 4 года назад

@@Arkloyd YEEES

@astramouseeverywhere6923 4 года назад

Lol, right. If it doesn’t really matter “which” god then why on earth do we care to bother with whether it exists?

@jimw5955 3 года назад

No don't it's is dogs god ..can't you tell

@hayuseen6683 3 года назад

@@kentonbaird1723 Would explain 2020

@FourDeuce01 3 года назад

"We all believe something on faith." The eternal argument of kindergarten children everywhere.

@GlitterGum 11 месяцев назад

Content of the actual words hes speaking aside...this callers voice is GRATING.

@Cara.314 3 года назад

"Our fear of not knowing the answers uncourageous us to accept answers before they are sufficiently justified." Thanks Matt. I could not say better myself, so i'm steeling your words!

@MasterSpade 3 года назад

For you religious people, how does it feel to know that your supposed "ALL Powerful Omnipotent" god needs callers like this to vouch for him? Again I ask, why do religious people expect so little of a god that is supposedly "All Powerful, All Knowing, Perfect, and Loving"?

@gazza595 3 года назад

All powerful god does seem to be expert at selecting piss poor spokes persons :)

@MasterSpade 3 года назад

@TREX LEX -- Many of us now Atheists were Brainwashed christians for most our lives. I was. I was one for the first 35 years of my life. Then, I wanted to get "closer" to our "lord and savior". So I did something I wish more people would actually do......I READ one of the bibles. The first time I read it and came across all those contradictions and EVIL parts they never talk about in church, I did what any good brainwashed christian does......I made EXCUSES and did Olympic style gymnastics! lol!! I prayed every day while reading it. But by the time I got to the end, I was tired of all those excuses. I thought "why would a REAL god, that was actually a GOOD god...need Excuses!??" So I told myself I would read it a 2nd time, but with an OPEN MIND, not a Brainwashed one.........BOY WHAT A DIFFERENCE!!! That 2nd time reading it I became agnostic. Then after years of research, I became what I still am, an Atheist. I read it to get closer to our lord........and I was Set free of the shackles of Religion!! How ironic. Great feeling isn't it? If only people would actually READ their supposed "holy books"!!!!!! Instead of reading them, they go to their church and have it read TO them. If there is a god, he sure as hell does NOT want us to know, because there is ZERO proof. The time to believe is After there is Real Evidence, not one second before. This was true in my case, and for so many others -- “Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.” - Isaac Asimov "The point is not that I'm an atheist, so I know more about religion; that's the wrong cause and effect. I think the more accurate way to phrase it is that I know more about religion, so I'm an atheist." -- Isaac Asimov EXACTLY!

@meusana3681 3 года назад

@@MasterSpade Imagine if god explained the germ theory of disease, cell theory, evilution, ect, ect in the bible. Instead we get "who makes the thunder and the wind, god does". "who do you call when you have a ghost in your house, god" "who do you praise when 20% of earth's human population dies out, god ofc"

@MasterSpade 3 года назад

@@meusana3681-- Exactly. Religious people demand more from us mere Humans than they do from their All Everything god. Just think, back in 1905 and 1915 Einstein gives the Theory that showed how to make Specific Predictions with Real Evidence that can be Tested and is Falsifiable about our World/Universe. Using that Theory, things like Black Holes were calculated!! Then in 1971 the first Black Hole was discovered, and in 2019 the very first Image of a black hole's event horizon were unveiled. He gave all the Math and Falsifiable Real Evidence for a Specific thing, and it is discovered. What does god predict? Is he held to AT LEAST a Human standard? Nope. He predicts that "there will be wars and rumors of wars!"....and that "One day" he will return.......wow. How specific. Supposed to be All Knowing and All Loving .....yet does nothing. Einstein >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any god

@meusana3681 3 года назад

@@MasterSpade Black holes aside, though I must agree that is a significant theoretical "thing" that has since been proven. I like to go to the orbit of mercury as example of general relativity (GR) being a solid theory. No form of classical physics could accurately predict the orbit of mercury before GR, and GR did so perfectly. We saw a thing and nothing could explain the thing, so we know our theories were wrong, and then we made a new theory and explained the thing. "But god had it right the first time! the planets are in his hands, he makes the planets move as if GR was real, thats all it is" - god of the gaps evolves into god of the undeserved credit.

@stevematsukawa6342 5 лет назад

No one ever proves the existence of the christian god, ever.

@Yeiyn343 5 лет назад

There is literally more evidence for Santa Clause being real. :-)

@jdljdl7843 5 лет назад

And nobody shows how everything can come from nothing ever!

@jdljdl7843 5 лет назад

@I nut on birds In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth! Can't be more self explanatory than that! Nothing doesn't create everything! Keep soul searching and you'll understand...

@jdljdl7843 5 лет назад

@I nut on birds Well only one claimed to be God in the flesh (The Creator Of All Things)... You will probably never submit to our Creator and that is sad because you are going to be separated from Him for all eternity...

@jdljdl7843 5 лет назад

@I nut on birds Faith is the substance of things hoped for. The evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1

@DavidCRod 2 года назад

A good example of someone not interested in having an honest conversation.

@T3slor 2 года назад

honestly this was one of the most constructive debates i've watched in a long time the theist was genuinely interested in proving his point to the best of his abillities and well i mean you can't really win an argument against matt but still dude kept chill, tried to argue his points, didn't persist on his falacious arguments great clip

@DangStank 5 лет назад

He believes because faith, but defines faith as belief without evidence. So he apparently believes because he believes without evidence

@sternwheeler 4 года назад

Toward the end, it sounded like he stopped paying attention, started disassembling his drum kit, and then had to go really quickly.

@xxxod 2 года назад

It sounds like he was counting money and also threw drums down a stairwell

@Mr._POV_ 2 года назад

Faith is to hold belief until there is compleling evidence.

@Dorff_Meister 11 месяцев назад

The problem with people who explain the unknown with "faith" is they don't think they're arguments through... Because they've never had to and have been rewarded when they fail to think for themselves or critically examine their reality.

@theboombody 11 месяцев назад

The problem is when you have a ton of axioms and think that it's better than having fewer axioms. I'm a believer, but I don't expect a nonbeliever to accept all the axioms I have to propose. It is possible to have more axioms and still be correct, but it's less likely.

@Dorff_Meister 11 месяцев назад

@@theboombody I grew up in a religious house. I am well versed. But I've never accepted "because I said so" as proof.

@gliblyaware 5 лет назад

"How many of these arguments are we going to entertain, because usually people lead with their best one?" - Gansta Jen

@jsmall10671 4 года назад

Maybe if the hosts would shut the hell up and let him actually make the argument he wants to make instead of trying to Corner him into talking about the arguments they want to talk about, he would be able to do this without so many arguments. I think he said at least three times that that wasn't really what he wanted to talk about. But Matt keeps pushing

@zachc349 4 года назад

@@jsmall10671 Matt is pushing because the kid is trying to 'but what if..' his version of god into existence. Also, you'll notice the dual name in the title ("Alex/Andrew")? That's because this same idiot has called in multiple times under different names to try the *exact same arguments* in order to 'trip Matt up' (which also wouldn't mean he ""won"" but he's not smart enough to understand that). Matt has no time for these idiots, and neither do I.

@vladimirtalijan 4 года назад

@@jsmall10671 There are actually other people like Alex :)

@nicolas4601 4 года назад

@@jsmall10671 If this wasn't what he really wanted to talk about, then he should have talked about what he really wanted to talk. Why would you blame the hosts for the caller not being able to do just that? Sounds like you're mad Matt didn't let him define God into existence before presenting the argument proving that God exists, based on that very definition. If the conclusion is already in the premise, then it's circular reasoning. No need to go through the whole syllogism to call out the fallacious premise(s). Maybe you would have enjoyed hearing the syllogism make a full circle and conclude what it already presupposed. It would still have been an exercise in futility though.

@CaeruleanWren 5 лет назад

Alright this is the third Andrew call I've watched and does he have literally any other reason to believe in his god? He has this one single argument that they refute every time. Also I just love that exchange: Matt: I can show you this pen works, can you show me that god works? Andrew: Well, okay, that's where I kind of wanted to move on from that

@More-Space-In-Ear 3 года назад

I can see why Dan got you on his podcast, a person who understands the answers to be answerable..I enjoyed this and will be looking at other videos of yours..cheers

@suburban-vampire Год назад

"you believe the past happened, therefore you're just like me believing in a God for no reason!" Flawless, dizzying intellect LOL

@SilentMott 5 лет назад

I think Alex's brain was exploding in the background near the end there.

@keefzcobra4616 4 года назад

Super waste of time! Why doesn't he go somewhere else to ask this? Or go fuck himself or something!!!!

@phoenixfire8226 5 лет назад

Caller sounds like McLovin'

@TheMildConfusion 2 года назад

"What you understand is not equivalent to what is or isn't possible or impossible." Ooooh, that's a good one. I'm stealing that one.

@kaiza6467 Год назад

Imagine calling into an atheist show and being shocked that not everyone experiences god. 😂

@mojosbigsticks 5 лет назад

It sounded like you were doing his homework for him.

@goldenageofdinosaurs7192 4 года назад

Mojos Bigstick That’s what I thought. I bet he had a debate the next day 🤣

@krassos 4 года назад

In Sagan's name, you guys are saints for dealing with this.

@merciless3909 3 года назад

Every time I watch video, you guys crack me up. One question: Does your call screener picks the worst of the worst to debate you. I never heard one person put forth a challenging argument.

@ryanspangler4569 2 года назад

United fan huh, how’s that working out for ya?

@anthonymainolfi9291 7 месяцев назад

That's because there is no challenging argument for a god existing.

@ralow702 5 лет назад

God of the word salad.

@nosuchthing8 4 года назад

Nice

@Vislav 4 года назад

Hahahaahhahahahaahahahahah. Well said!

@BluePhoenix_ 3 года назад

Mmmmh salad

@jacibea 5 лет назад

Check out his other calls .. he's also Josh, Brad, Adam and Lucas . ... get ready to laugh 🤣🤣

@rodzalez3549 5 лет назад

Jaci Bea I’ve noticed

@hopalongaudacity4323 5 лет назад

ConfusionFusion I believe you are RIGHT on the money, with the troll thing! Did you hear ALL the noise (distraction) towards the end of the conversation? That HAD to be him being a TOTAL ASSHOLE!

@bill3901 5 лет назад

and Andrew and Adam and Nick...

@roder51 5 лет назад

I'll pass. I think this one call is enough to realize he lost.

@lawrencebarber8583 5 лет назад

DerickE he always loses and it’s all the same. He uses his bullshit philosophical drivel to try and get them in a “gotcha!” moment. It’s pathetic

@steveyuhas9278 Год назад

This is an example of Matt at his peak. He wiped the floor with this kid. As he did the other several times he called. You can tell just how careful the guy is being to define his terms so specifically to be able to weasel out with semantics and whataboutisms, but it just wasn't good enough. Matt sniffed that shit out like a dog on a hunt. Razor sharp, brutal dismantling of his dishonest tactics. So cathartic to watch, he controls every second of this conversation. I mean he pummeled him so bad in the end there I think he broke him out of the matrix, you can hear the confusion in his voice and the whizzing of the machines outside the nebuchadnezzar.

@kimweaver3323 5 лет назад

They keep trying to define their gawds into existence. Doesn't work.

@alvarogoenaga3965 5 лет назад

Define? "Define" is kind for what they are doing. I would say they are rather trying to force them into reality.

@AdmiralBison 5 лет назад

kim weaver if their god wants to remain non-existent outside of space and time that’s their problem. Also the ego, if they truly believe their god exists, they feel they can will it into existence.

@AdmiralBison 5 лет назад

Umair Z where you born yesterday in side of a church?

@kentonbaird878 5 лет назад

How is it possible for man to exist without Brahma?

@bluebitproductions2836 5 лет назад

AXIOM OF AXIOMS CO-EXISTING IN A (SOMEWHAT BEUTIFUL) CO-EXISTANCE OF GAWD

@jeff6660 5 лет назад

Alex has no better arguments than someone 500 years ago saying the Moon was made of green cheese. Total argument from ignorance front to back and top to bottom.

@nosuchthing8 4 года назад

@Bob Rabbins one million thumbs up

@sfprivateer 2 года назад

This call in a nutshell: 23:44 The logic engine in his brain breaks and you can hear the gears jamming 23:56 The logic engine explodes and sets fire to his ears 24:04 His dad uses fire extinguisher to put out the flames in the burning brain 24:23 While installing fresh set of brains, his body collapses on his drumset and he hits his head to the cymbals 24:36 Reboot is completed, he tests the function of the new brain 24:40 All is working, I'll save this unit from damage and quit the call

@ArKritz84 2 года назад

Oh, this was excellent 😂

@GunUDwnAt2nd 8 месяцев назад

Lmao

@thebetteryou8018 5 месяцев назад

😂

@StanSwan 3 года назад

I give you credit for trying to talk with these callers. I have been in these conversations in bars for decades and people really lose all reason. One women was telling me about her mother and how she missed her and she was sure she would be together with her again. I was sympathetic but did not jump up and say she was right. She was offended and started yelling at me. I told her I can't know, it is a matter of faith and I am so sorry for your loss. Still not good enough. So she asks me if I am an atheist and I tell her yes but I respect the faith of others others. She lamented loosing her mom 30 years ago and looked at me through tears saying "how can my mom not be in heaven. How can see not remember my and my brothers childhoods"? I wanted to say, maybe because she died from drinking? Maybe next time.

@Adam-bq2vw 4 года назад

Question for theists: If it’s legitimate to accept YOUR religion on faith, why isn’t it just as legitimate to accept a CONTRADICTORY religion on faith?

@KS4RonPaul 3 года назад

Christians accept the death and resurrection of Christ on faith. The rest of the belief system is a matter of historical record. Or is this the part where you tell me Jesus never existed?

@Adam-bq2vw 3 года назад

First of all, the historical record with regard to Jesus is in contention among experts. Secondly, even if it wasn’t, your comment about faith doesn’t speak to my question. It is a reasonable question. You should either address it, or leave me alone and stop obfuscating. But if you’re like most Christians I know, you’ll either leave me alone or CONTINUE to obfuscate, because those are your only real options. Answer my question or leave me alone. I don’t have time to play with you. ...or is this the part where you continue to dodge?

@rileysmall4317 3 года назад

@@KS4RonPaul theres literally 10,000 religions, how do you not understand the unliklliness of ur god being real and for that matter any?

@rileysmall4317 3 года назад

@@KS4RonPaul chirstians accept the death and resurrection of christ on faith. 1930's-40's germans accepted that hitler would bring them out of poverty and establish germany as a world power. What's the difference in the decision-making process between these two groups?

@storytellingcafe8302 3 года назад

Back in the days when I was a Christian, I'd say "Others believe their god is true, I *know* mine is true". Easier to say when you're sitting in a church in NZ, harder when you're sitting in a Buddhist temple in Japan.

@gaithouri 4 года назад

Im amazed of how Matt spotting all the fallacies and decomposes the arguments....what a great mind

@adriangeh6414 Год назад

No, it is a stupid mind that allows himself to get dragged into a useless debate filled word salads and navel gazing nonsense about an imaginary sky wizard.

@gaithouri Год назад

@@adriangeh6414 this show is a service to humanity, religions have fcked the world and the reason of millions of people. they do very good job, they support people, and the whole show is an exhibition of good use of logic. its very entertaining and useful to so many people. there are no lies here, no stupid arguments, as yours, and as a service requires exactly this. patience and commitment ..and this is not his fault but the situation of the believers that believe so many nonsense things and fail miserably to see whats going on.. so ... how do you do it better clever man ?

@adriangeh6414 Год назад

@@gaithouri the show is great. But matt can sometimes be a simple idiot like yourself, so obsessed with 'winning' that even a dumb kid can lure him into a most tiresome contest on 'who can gaze into their mysterious navels deeper'. Lol

@gaithouri Год назад

@@adriangeh6414 yes ...sometimes.. but that doesnt make him stupid or idiot.. have you ever done something similar.. do you have any idea how difficult is it to have clear mind loosing yourself in the stupidness of others ? calling other people idiots is easy ..

@adriangeh6414 Год назад

@@gaithouri all it takes is to lose the stupid ego and see the person's 'argument' for what it is - high-browed navel-gazing nonsense. Then call it out rather than wasting everyones time engaging in it. There's really no need to 'philosophize' or logik over whether there's really an invisible magical wizard with super powers living somewhere 'up there'. Just stick to good ol fashioned Evidence.