Why Even Sith HATE The Stranger's Lightsaber Form (CHEATER) 

There is no such thing as a fair fight, win or die. Honor has no place among the dead, only the living.

“It doesn't matter whether you win by an inch or a mile, winning is winning. same in fighting!!winning is winning my dark apprentice

If everyone is dead, there's no one alive to call you a cheater.

Aye, when it’s a 1v8 I think bro should be allowed to use any form or move he wants without shame…turn that saber on and off a thousand times and skewer all those sons of beaches, make all the Jedi kebabs you want.

Just so you know, there is NO LORE SOURCE that says the Sith disliked Trakata, in fact, Trakata is even taught in Jedi teachings in lore. Someone plopped it into wookiepedia with no source and it has been adopted as fact.

the stranger knows about Filoni so he stabbed jecki several times to prevent girl from getting Sabine'd

IF it's a fair fight, YOU have done something wrong!! 👿 Power is all that matters my young Sith apprentice......😈

Jason Mendoza has changed. He’s now stuck in The Bad Place.

I believe Quimir may have used possibly 3 to 4 light saber styles all at once. The 2 that you mentioned in the video in addition also form V/Shien-style reverse grip incorporated with a bit of form VI/Niman fighting styles. Notice him using the reverse grip, with some incorporated forms of Ataru as well! Dude this may be the first time we've seen someone use so many fighting styles at one time. Friggin wild!!!!

This is why I like your channel and what you do. Because even though you have voice your frustration with this show you still give us a breakdown of the lore even if they break it.

The stranger used the style or ancient technique of street fight with a laser sword

Something that strucked me during this episode (and at large with the people that did the coreagraphy) was that Qimir for sure was a good duelist but the man had a far too unopolished fight style. We tend to think on polished techniques because the movies and shows tend to focus on siths like Vader or Dooku that were great jedi duelists BEFORE the dark side and later on learned the ways of the dark side, so both became powerhouses without the need of movility or the acrobatics of the jedi. In this episode you can notice Qimir using a fighting style TOTALLY opposed of the grace and elegance of Dooku and or the relentless striking force of Vader. Is strong, yes but feels more like a brawling match, unpolished and even amateurish. Is a great detail and also works great with the context and personality of the character.

This Sith Stranger is so much better than the lame Kylo Ren, I’m gonna say he’d kill Kylo. Force choking is candy ass compared to physically neck breaking an enemy. Of those dark side users, Qimir seems deadlier than Ben who they made into a watered down Vader. Bad guys cheat, evil does evil things.

I like your take that the Stranger has a Master and that he's frustrated in exercising his abilities, while under control. The Sith didn't stay hidden so long with individuals like the Stranger revealing themselves; the point was to lull the Jedi into believing the Sith was decimated without a desire of regrouping. That the Jedi had no opposition. I wonder how the Stranger will be dealt with by his Master? This would amount to a serious violation I'm sure - an apprentice revealing a millennium long plan.

Just wanted to say thanks for all your content man! Been watching all your reviews and episodes for a minute now and it's extremely refreshing to sit down and listen to real reviews and opinions especially when it comes to Acolyte you hit the mark on all your points but still are able to find things to enjoy and make content about interesting parts of the story stupendous is the best ❤

Honor doesn't exist on the battlefield where it's kill or be killed because your enemy will do anything to survive the battle with unthinkable tactics.

Thanks for the info, and yes I would like to see Qimir in more detail

Love the splitting saber. Reminds me of cal.

always love the star wars vids keep going!!!

“Honor is a fools prize, glory is of no use to the dead”. One of my favorite bane quotes.

I really like this analysis it’s super interesting and a cool look or insight into an interesting character

That is the idea, to make the sith and the jedi so different One who cares about order and rules, the other wants freedom and thrive in chaos One cares about the well-being of the peoples of the galaxy, the other never had this thought his/her mind One wants to seek the will of the force, the other seek his/her own will The jedi want stability, the sith want change The jedi are the constrained, the sith are the unconstrained The jedi are the establishment, the sith are the revolutionaries

Fantastic.

I would like to propose the consideration that, even though the intention of the scene on the part of the creative team was to show Qimir using trakata with his shoto blade to kill Jecki, what the scene shows us, visually speaking, is not that, but the sith quickly thrust into her with a reverse grip. Now I know, pointing out such a tiny discrepancy like this may seem like a huge waste of effort and brain power, but we're Star Wars fans, so you understand the feeling. I recommend that after each observation, you watch the video again in slow motion to confirm my statements. First, let's notice that Qimir's left arm, which holds the blade used in the attack, makes very abrupt movements with each stab of the lightsaber. It is a movement that indicates traditional handling of the blade, where he retracts and pushes his arm quickly, because if we consider that he simply deactivated and reactivated the blade, he would merely need to reposition his fist with each thrust, which does not appear to have happened. Additionally, notice the way the sith positions each of his sabers. the longest in a horizontal block, protecting him from Jecki's attack while the second carries out the blow. Note that this positioning causes the light from the long saber to fall on the padawan's face and shoulders, while that of the shoto illuminates their torsos and the sleeves of her robe. The red light on her and Qimir's torso is never dimmed. The saber is not turned off. And finally, let's pay attention to the scene beats that make up this final part of the duel. There is the moment when Qimir steps back, detaches the shoto blade from his main saber and activates its blade (we can not only see the saber emission, but also hear its traditional activation sound). Jacki charges forward, screaming and preparing her blow. Qimir blocks her strike and immediately (note that there is no sound of deactivation) he stabs her 3 times. Sol screams. We move to a closeup of Jacki in her last moments of life. And then we see (and HEAR) HER saber deactivate. She falls, revealing the blade that went through her torso, still attached. These three observations indicate that what we are shown on screen is not a demonstration of the use of Trakata, but rather an intelligent and strategic use of a shoto saber, which with 3 quick thrusts killed a prodigious padawan learner. I know that the official Star Wars website ATTESTS that Qimir used Trakata in his fight against the Jedi. However, this is not what we can observe objectively in this scene. Perhaps the light is a result of using a practice saber during recording. Perhaps the light was not removed from the plate when it should have accompanied the supposed deactivation and reactivation of the saber. Perhaps the extended movement of Qimir's arm is the result of the actor's involuntary action, who was not aware of the details of how the scene would take place. Anyway, this is what I have to point out. Thanks for listening.

To be fair, they were all ganging up on him.

That head butt to the lightsaber was the best thing I’ve seen in all star wars

I love the lightsaber combat he was doing this fight sence was so freaking cool 😊

All I know is Qimir is the most wicked person ever to be seen in the whole Star Wars universe.

Amazing

I love these videos breaking down his style. Aren’t we still supposed to get the light whip in action? I wonder if Qimir is fighting Venessa too 😮🔥🔥👏🏾 great video

Dooku and Vader were Jedi trained Sith lords. Dooku valued his appearance and this would include his saber style which was a very refined Fencing. Anakin was a fighter so he relied on aggressive fighting in war to overwhelm opponents. Darth Maul carried a Saber Staff. His style was aggressive but still somewhat refined to be smooth so he could be subtle in killing as an assassin.

I like your perspective

This is why we need a Grey Jedi character, one who doesn't hold back, bound by rules, yet steong enough to withstand going full dark.

He didn’t use that method of tuning his lightsaber on and off, bro did you even watch the episode 😂

I like this guy. Especially the hidden shoto.

Speculating that Disney cares about fighting forms is deep cope. This video is way more entertaining and enjoyable than any of the new Star Wars though. And I appreciate it.

Pain is the only prize given to the victor, it is a reminder that they're still alive.

A fight is only a fight if you live to fight again.

Bro finally someone interesting

It’s pretty cool how his armor is made of Cortosis and it shorts out a lightsaber and the Jedi are caught off guard by it

Really enjoyed the battle and enjoyed series toi

This series is very interesting

Cool video.

I wonder if Darth Vader would appreciate the Stranger’s combat skill since both men took on and defeated several Jedi single-handedly

Definitely enjoying the show more because of episode 5, wether or not it’s too little too late I think will be determined over the next 2 weeks

I dont think he is using Trakata, he stabbed her 3 times.

Trakata is extinguishing your saber to bypass a block/parry, then re-igniting it to strike. The initially ignited blade is feint to draw the opponent's saber away. Qimir didn't do that.

An assassin like no other, a machine who only knows the art of the kill. I love the abandonment of code and rules that The Stranger uses. Jar Kai is my favorite lightsaber style and Trakada is a great style to combine with it.

this sith is a martial artist making him more deadly lmfao

I love this show so far.

Happy Saturday!

I think this happens a lot in military circles: books are written by veterans, new members base their tactics on how they fought in the past, and technology skills and tactics are constantly changing, making past tactics less useful. In war, people who cling to formulas and doctrine often find themselves on the losing side of a battle. This is how a lot of martial artists can be defeated in UFC fights. Is: most martial arts forms were developed to be used on people not taught in fighting forms, and fighting forms were not imagined to be combined, or even expanded on, making certain moves obsolete. I think this sums up the Jedi order perfectly, unable to understand the future because they clung to the past.

That reverse hold style sure slows down his swings. I know its not a style that works with real swords, but I think it looks kinda silly in practice on screen too. That said, I can still maintain my suspension of disbelief, and the character has the rule of cool going for it.

Honor is a fool's prize. Glory is of no use to the dead.

I'm just here to say, you guys hated it before it was finished. You don't anymore. Feels bad. 😂😂😂 Carry on.

If you cheat and win, it is called savvy. - Darth Cartman

The way he killed the padawan was brutal.

The thrusting moves he uses are very Form 2.

Smilo ren sure showed Mae how its possible to kill a jedi without a weapon 😂

That clip in the beginning just told me how idiotic the duel was. The girl deflected his blade, then used her pommel TWICE to hit him; ignoring the obvious killing strike.

I like the idea that all the red powder on the floor of the jungle was a poison to hinder the movements of the jedi

i honestly dont think they thought this far ahead about forms when filming this

Wether they do or not it was still an awesome saber fight and one of the most unique i've seen in any star wars movie/show

Yes I want to see the sith in more duels

Yes I wanna see him in more dules and also I'm sure we will probably see his master at the end of the series 😮 so they can hype it up for a season 2.

i think we think farther then the people who made the show did

Looks like he worked in a bit of Teras Kasi to his style. He spends a lot of time close-in.

I do like to think that Manny’s master is freedom.

As far as turning the blade on or off? When they did it in the sequel trilogy (throne room fight with the guards,) I couldn't help but think "ok, that makes perfect sense for these sorts of weapons - why would they be on all the time given force-user skills, foresight, etc?" I'd love to see a "duel" of fakes- where a blade's only going to be extended once when a killing strike's about to happen. So... yeah, I'm for it.

Darth Headland taught him well.

The thing i love about Qimir is he never admits to being a sith. He says a jedi like Sol might call him a sith.

does anyone else miss the times where lightsabers were lethal?

I don't believe in fair fights all my fights are gritty & dirty I'm tryin to bring an eye ball back...

I always wanted to be good enough , it just never happened

I acually guessed qimir used form 8, I didnt think I was acually right

Only reason its forbidden cause then it pokes holes in the use of using light sabres storywise

Great light saber style breakdown. I know some people have their complaints about this show, including yourself, but this episode has really stepped up the low standards. Everyone complaining will still continue to be watching including yourself so let’s try to enjoy the best parts of it and talk about that.

I thought for sure he'd use sith lightening. Maybe he can't yet.

SW!!Here is my theory for the Acolyte. The main villian Oimir is actually one of the mothers in disguise. She is hiding behind a dathomir force illusion spell. The villain Oimir has no dark side sith eyes, no darkside body corruption, hesitates to harm any of the daughters(even after being betrayed) , heals one of them, and has no sith lighting (far as we know) . Disney star wars is now all about magic/the night sisters/witches of Dathomir(the force is now female). The witches have been known to also have control/balance in the force . Just my theory/opinion. Thanks for all you do .....My the thread be with you lol

Disney has changed so much of the Star Wars lore to the point I’m a bit confused on what’s cannon and what’s no longer cannon. Can we have a video explaining the difference explaining what Disney now claims is cannon and what isn’t.

If count duku met this guy he would grow his hair back just to go bald

Opponent: You're not playing fair/with honor! Me: To quote Sun Tzu, "All war is based on deception." I wouldn't be surprised if the Stranger used explosives, traps, or poisons, in order to get an edge.

"The greatest honor in battle... is victory" - Klingon proverb As for the forms, I've never cared for how obsessed some people seem to get with lightsaber forms. Sure, it makes sense that they'd be a part of most Jedi combat teachings, because it's just another aspect of standardization that becomes more commonplace the larger an organization gets or the longer it continues to exist. But ultimately this dependence on discussion of forms to analyze lightsaber battles feels like the D&D dependence on classes to define, yet limit, what a character can learn to do. I prefer an approach to the concept more akin to GURPS or Champions (Jeet Kun Do compared to Wing Chun Kung Fu might be a better example, but I am far more conversant in TTRPG rulesets than real life martial arts, so I'll stick to my area of specialization). Adherence to any limitation of forms or refusal to study is simply a failure of preparation in my opinion, with actual combat depending more on one's ability to adapt, improvise, and overcome (Sgt Highway) rather than respect for tradition for the sake of tradition. The luxury of valuing how a fight is won is reserved solely for the victor.

Qimir Ren is one of the best lightsaber duelist we have seen. He needed multiple styles to defeat 8 or so Jedi at one time.

Everyone involved in that duel looked like a novice.

Weird that Trakata is looked down upon now by both Jedi and Sith, despite it being an apparently acceptable technique within the lightsabers forms in the _Path of the Jedi_ book. Anyway. I'd like to introduce form -1 lightsaber form of Beyond Visual Range. It utilises a long rifled slugcaster with optical equipment, and requires a good head for numbers to function, as well as a good head for psychology.

None of them can know that the Sith are alive anyways, Mae is def going to kill Seoul before they get to Corissant and that means no jedi are left and Mae and they might say Osha are force wielding murders who used Kalnacas Light saber to kill the other Jedi for what Seoul and the gang were hiding about the coven but Maes reason is because if they never came then the Coven would still be there and they'd be a happy family. I honestly think that the new "Sith" dude and Mae were trying to convert Osha together and he revealed himself because he knew there would be no survivors and why he let Mae go with Seoul to finish her list and now he will have two "pupils".

I'm surprised you even dare touch this cesspit of a show.

It might not have been traykata. Maybe he is just so fast that he can do such significant damage with such a smaller saber

What do you say is the best lightsaber form? And if you were to make a perfect lightsaber, what crystal, design, and material would make the lightsaber?

Well just for your info we dont give an Acolyte for all this.

Can someone please point out to me where he used Trakata? I can't find it at all. Am I missing it?

The unique form, disassembling lightsaber hilt, and cortosis armor are all very clever! But using trakata is not only “dishonorable”, but far beyond that it is an admission that the user is vastly outmatched in its purest form! Cheap trick or not: you must admit that Qimir fixed the greatest practical flaw in trakata: its momentary lack of defense. Qimir fixed that problem by keeping one blade stopping the opponent, and the other for killing the opponent. Almost everyone has overlooked that 8 Jedi tried to swarm him and overwhelm him with sheer numbers, yet he prevailed! He used every trick at his disposal but he not only survived, but he embarrassed the Jedi!

So i think tenebrous is qimir master. We knew during plagueis' apprenticeship, darth tenebrous also had venamis. So perhaps he had a third apprentice, as well

I’ve heard someone say that Qimir using cortosis to short out lightsabers could also be considered Tràkata. Although I’m not sure if that should even count as true Trakata? I thought the point of Trakata is that a duelist turns off their own lightsaber and then immediately reactivating it. Qimir didn't do this but instead disabled the lightsabers of his opponents leaving them without a weapon.

The thing is i don't even think he turned his ligthsaber on and off in the scene where he killed jackie, he just stabs 3 times kinda fast.

The Stranger's Lightsaber Form is for me

Vader even created the Three Rings of Defense, correctly identifying that most Jedi and even Sith fell into the trap of overspecialization. This meant that even if you had mastery of all seven forms of Jedi/Sith combat your fate was sealed the moment he walked in the room. And even if he met a free-form fighter(which rarely happened)he could still leverage the advantage of technical sophistication over them. And if that didn't work(which rarely happened too) Vader just switched to the style combinations Bane came up with because Juyo is rarely employed with control in combat so Vader will give his opponent(s) a final nasty shock before killing him.

The fact is he is on screen galen marik...

Isnt it also because its risky as hell you leave yourself defenseless even for a short while its very likely to just end up in a tie if you use it because sure you shanked your enemy but they are gonna stab you too or slice you in half at the same time