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The title claimed the results were positive. As long as the claim is that it's time to kill the PS5, and the results show it's not time to kill the PS5, then they deserve to get called out on it.

@@MrBrockHeinzlmfao I had a feeling the writer of the article was salty over the title. Seems like you are too.

​@@Sk82478Bootlicker youtube commenter sees his fav youtuber clickbait them, then defends them for it afterwards. Sad.

Bootlicker? I get like being critical, but my friend, you ever realize you're more hate than critique? I always told people for example, i'd avoid twitter because it is literally just braindead fighting. Which its like if you're right sure thats great and all, but i think that its the way you handle it that makes the difference. Like is it enough to just not be wrong? No we help people by giving our two-cents, we keep clear of nonsense that pollutes our brains. Whether or not this is nonsense is for you to debate, and well if you think it is, why do you come to the channel just to rage? I don't think its healthy to look for things to be mad about, you ought to conserve your energy for something productive. Not trying to be judgemental but it's a real problem lots of people have man

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I had my University thesis project reposted by some random US based "news outlet" and they essentially spun a completely fake narrative around it. A thesis project, by someone living on another continent, a project that will never see production or have any relevance to the general public. Some people out there just have a hard-on for needing to share their opinion no matter how irrelevant it may be, even if not a single soul is listening to them.

That is exactly what they are trying to do though. They are certainly also ignorant, but they won't get attention for singing praises so they choose to grasp at straws to find something controversial to say.

I read the original article and I think Linus and the author simply mean completely different things. For Linus, it's a fun tinkering project for people who like the process as much as the result, the author however views it as a pitch towards the average person playing video games and considers it an unreasonable thing to attempt. Because 9/10 people would rather pick cyanide than bother with everything in the video to get their games on screen.

@@noahvanderwyst1232 That's assuming they know what they're doing and are being malicious about it. But I've been proven wrong on that too many times to be sure.

​@MaybeShimo Yeah, but garbage has to come from somewhere. A person wrote this. Not a self-reflective person, but a person.

Windows Home is free too 😂 For peripherals they also considered mouse and keyboard, which are cheaper than a PS5 dual sense either way. Logitech cheap stuff is less than a Dual Sense and they are very good for the price. Good as in you will not notice lag or performance problems but they are cheap looking. But both will require a display of sorts, TVs or monitors.

Not a great point. My grandma has a TV and no console. Basically, it is way more viable and accurate to state a TV is a very standard item people will have and are not included to cost of owning a console. If it were a high-end TV bought to take advantage of the console, you'd have a point.

​@@bandito241 Mouse and keyboard can't replace a controller, though. You need all three to cover all the same types of games as the PS5. (You need the keyboard and mouse even if the game doesn't use it, since you have to navigate the OS.)

​@@sansai81That same TV is also effectively a monitor, though.

@@ZipplyZane Very fair.

There are entire youtube channels that just pick out a random tweet with like a couple of hundred likes and act as if it's some widely held opinion. Then an article is written about the youtube video and the article is cited on other sites as a "source". Or some variation of these things, then people can "link a source" when they put out those stupid opinions online to other people, who even if they click on the source, don't bother to check the sources validity or citations. The internet has become a bit of an ouroboros.

​haha and all this without considering that pretty soon 99% of everything online will be AI generated. Brace yourselves peeps this gonna be a wild ride

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@@charliericker274dont forget the tweet that was made 13 years ago where you are immature or have a view that's no longer the same as the you of now

I'm getting more annoyed with the "random gamer does X thing in game" articles.

It kind of goes beyond this though. Look at society today - Everyone talks about Efficiency of the market, letting nations with an advantage do what they have an advantage in, and focus on efficiency. But the world has had growing problems basically from the day that this became the globalized norm through what we term globalization. The people aren't benefiting - a smaller, and smaller group of ultra wealthy elites benefit: And why? What we have done - and what this article forwards and does without possibly even knowing it, is we are hiding the process. When you stop and build a chair, a table, a desk. When you take a torn pair of jeans and do a repair on it - it is a process, and the result isn't just you save money: You take something broken, and make it usable again. Or in the case of making furnature - you make a chair you enjoy sitting on, or you create a bench usable by say your grandfather when they come to visit so they have an easier time taking their shoes off at your back door. And yes you could BUY something, but when you make it - there is something special about it. What I actually love about these builds is - they are taking parts destined for a scrap heap, and breathing new life into them as something someone can use for years to come. It is going through a process that inevitably shows that these parts have value to them. That taking the time to build something has value; and it's so much less consumerist focused. And I wonder if that is why - Advertisers of certain products don't want to advertise this, because ultimately it is promoting a reduction in what amounts to wasteful consumerism. In my view, the Ad-supported model has long run it's course; it's becoming more toxic to society than beneficial - and that likely has been true for well over a decade. We need a new, better model. And we need more of this concept of taking what is old, with selective upgrades, and leveraging it for continued use - we would all be better off if we worked more in this way.

It's tough to beat the 'value' on a machine from a company that is willing to make a loss on said machine by virtue of the fact they'll recover their losses from licensing fees via game sales... It's only once you've built the budget PC with PS5 specs and you've begun hitting up those Steam deals that you VERY quickly beat the PS5's value, hands down...

This reads like a paper a highschool freshman would turn in for their english class that they hate.

@@formes2388 and they’re unironically pushing you buy specialised hardware with all proprietary software just like specialised countries

Then use used ps5 as a reference

agreed. I am on a megaware case with a 4" drive bay and external access to the HDDs thats rad

yeah same, i still have my system in a 10y old cheap pos case because i don't really have a reason to change it and couldn't care less about how my pc looks lol it performs as it should and temps are okay

It's tough to beat the 'value' on a machine from a company that is willing to make a loss on said machine by virtue of the fact they'll recover their losses from licensing fees via game sales... It's only once you've built the budget PC with PS5 specs and you've begun hitting up those Steam deals that you VERY quickly beat the PS5's value, hands down...

damn dude, I would of given him at least a 10 piece...

@@dbiker207I mean we did play dnd afterwards and I basically saved his family heirloom from being destroyed, so I guess it's all good, but yeah I guess you're right

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It took me a moment to realize what this means. LOL.

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It's an older joke, sir, but it checks out.

I love them for providing color profiles for some of my old shitty laptops. Those massively improved the screen colors compared to the default Windows setting. Also for testing screen PWM so I can avoid headache-inducing screens that flicker when you dim the brightness.

I read the original article and I think Linus and the author simply mean completely different things. For Linus, it's a fun tinkering project for people who like the process as much as the result, the author however views it as a pitch towards the average person playing video games and considers it an unreasonable thing to attempt.

I had to block notebookcheck in my news feed. Their laptop reviews include measurements that nobody else does, but most of their "articles" seem to be little more than spec sheets turned into prose. It wouldn't surprise me if they use AI for that nowadays.

​@Alias_Anybody all you're saying is the author fundamentally did not understand the thing he authored

@@GreedoShot Linus clickbaited and Notebookcheck clickbaited back.

I thought the author was a bot... Or assisted by a bot

It could also just be that most or all of the article was generated by ChatGPT.

Notebookcheck mostly does really, really good notebook reviews.

notebook check does a lot of benchmark tests for notebooks, so they're useful in that sense.

@sadmanh0 Very true. But unfortunately, a lot of the filler material between notebook reviews is pretty much "we need ad money so here is a repost of something that someone else did and here is a paragraph of what I think." I'll say this, they are not the worst. There are a few other news outlets that pretty much doom scroll through youtube and other places for stories, or rip off from another outlet.

If it means those writers/journalists still have a job, that's still a plus in my book. Though sometimes the articles read like they were written by AI and that the editor was sleeping on the wheel

You'd be surprised at what you can accomplish with a fork with a little bit of ingenuity.

They are both being compared purely for the purpose of gaming. Pretty much anyone buying either a computer or a console has a phone and anything you can do on a computer you can do on a phone albeit less efficiently a lot of the time.

@@sameermohideen4913 with a little bit of ingenuity and a Multitool you can do 100 times more things than with a fork

@@the_undead so between a phone/tablet, console and a PC which is better for gaming and general stuff? I, personally, bet on the PC, for obvious reasons (everything other devices can do, the PC can do better, more customizable and with more power, and no, console exclusives are not a good excuse)

@@weiserwolf580It depends on what exactly you're trying to do, for me pretty much everything I do on a computing device that isn't gaming I can quite comfortably do from my phone and at the time I got my console even entirely used components would not be performance competitive at a similar price so I got the console. And seeing as until helldivers there was actually no gaming experience I was missing out on by being on an Xbox (and quite frankly questioning how much I would personally enjoy helldivers cuz I'm kind of burnt out on shooters at the moment. I would say a console was the correct choice given my current budget

Feel good does not sell. Like the RU-vid videos that has to have rage inducing titles/clickbaits to get traffic unless your Mr. Beast.

Because nobody cares about charity, juicy drama drives clicks my dude

or keyboards/mice/speakers.

You also have to pay a stupid amount of money to play online

It’s not weird at all lmfao The price of a tv is moot because you’d have to buy either way. But PlayStation comes with controllers. Yall are trying to hard, the writer of the article has a lot of very valid points that you won’t see because Linus doesn’t agree and you can’t think for yourself.

​@brandonhoover2120 found the author of the article. Buddy, a computer can be used for everything a ps5 can and MORE. Not to mention that upgrading a gpu/cpu is MAYBE 250/350$ every 3 or 4 years compared to the what? 600+ of a ps5?

​@brandonhoover2120 not to mention you can get a mouse and keyboard that's decent for the same price of a game, and ps+ 😂

I mean, depending on the complexity of the engine bay and cost of the car vs parts and potentially installation. Buying a model with AC can be cheaper and easier, but equally Civics are usually really nice to work on and parts are reliable and inexpensive. Honestly just sounds like forums being stupid

Unless it's something like gearbox swaps on old minis (which because of their construction require a whole new engine block), it's utterly silly advice. Hell, with how standardized some of that equipment is, you could probably mix and match (just be sure to get equipment that is all built for the same refrigerants) parts and get stuff like a more modern and efficient compressor

Factor in the $60/year you need to pay to be able to play online, over the course of a few years, and it may not seem like as good of a budget choice.

Nah, he might be right about that, parts and electronics in general are more expensive over here in Europe. Wouldn't surprise me if the 2nd hand market in Germany or wherever the writer is doesn't have deals as good as those the LTT team found. Writer still completely misses the point of the video though.

Now find cheap itx motherboard and confirm that itx with aio can fit 2080 super

PCs have lasted me a decade, but no single keyboard or mouse ever has.

@@turbochargedfilms well, yeah, there’s different quality mouse and keyboards. But you can easily buy a wireless mouse AND keyboard from razor for about 20% more than you could buy a PlayStation controller for. Still have my original razor keyboard from 2014. The mouse is a G502. I bought a couple years after that. The WASD is polished to a glossy finish due to my fingers, but it still works the same

Six years? Are you talking about your console dying in 6 years or supported, Xbox one and PS4 and still getting supported to this day and they were released in 2013

@@Jaxv3r I was talking about breaking. I’ve gone through four different consoles. Two from PlayStation, 2 from Xbox. Either the drive failed or it overheated in our well ventilated cabinet, or The USB ports stopped working and refused to allow me to update it without a working USB input. (Error with an update. Bricked the console.) I remember going onto the forums researching these problems and there were thousands of results with people doing tutorials or fixes. So it’s not an isolated issue.

You didn't account the games included with the service in console and the controller breaking in 3 years what are you doing with your controllers? And you can repair them i do it's easy and there's tons of parts and mods i have both a pc and console and a steam deck and a PC is a money pit i love my PC but she be a money ho.

The same group of people that can't afford a PC are often easily targetable by subscriptions. Console makers know it for sure.

The subscriptions aren't just for online, though. Question the value all you want but at least don't ignore the rest of what the subscriptions offer.

@@RippahRooJizah the lowest tier starts at $10, once you pay that you're allowed play to the games you just bought online. the Subscription comes with limited cloud storage, something you can replace with an external hard drive for free. Three free games a month wich is usually garbage at the end of their service life that even the F2P catalogue of games can beat in quality handily.

@@jax1670 IIRC Xbox is a bit more limited when it comes to what you can use for memory, but if your concern is backing up saves or games, discounting one "just because" seems kinda silly. Also I thought PS Plus gave you additional cloud storage, and Nintendo is the only one with a mandatory subscription for cloud usage. As for the free games, there are free games of interest at times. Even I admit the large majority isn't of my tastes but it's not like I haven't gotten any. That said, there are other stuff but ultimately I'd say it isn't as anti-consumer as some may think. Of questionable value, sure, but not anti-consumer (for the most part).

@@RippahRooJizah Okay, but... You. Have. To buy the subscription. To play online. Even if you don't care about anything else. Meanwhile on PC you can play f2p games on your potato hand me down computer without paying a dime to anyone. ???? :)

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@@mike4402 I didn't think about that but yeah, you're right

agreed, seems like the writer doesn't build his own system and doesn't understand who the LTT audience is.

A tech jorno didn't know LTT?

Doesn't know they are addicted to clickbaiting maybe. Regardless of how Linus defends his intentions the title still brags about killing the PS5

STOP KILLING GAMING CONSOLES!!!

@@DorkaliciousAF wtf are you on about?

I have a better analogy: it’s not worth it for most people to own full-size pickups unless they regularly use them for things you *need* a truck to do. If you only actually need to tow stuff a couple times a year, you can just rent a truck from Uhaul or Home Depot for a day.

If it's a company like seasonic, I would say the safe lifespan of a power supply is however long they're warranty is because that's where the manufacturer feels comfortable saying a problem shouldn't happen in this time frame, then wants to warranty expires. That's basically the manufacturer saying you are on your own at this point and you should probably replace this product.

Lmao same here, I took the glass off mine and a front panel. Looks totally different but still works! I put it on top of a Wii balance board for a little pedestal

keep it clean and a case can really last. my antec p180 is coming up on 20 years old... but everything in it is from the last couple years.

I would just go in to the BIOS and watch the voltages for maybe fifteen minutes. If your Seasonic (or any other power supply) is going to fail, there is almost always a lot of significant (greater than 15%) voltage fluctuation. Tolerance is 0.5% in normal operation, and anything outside of + or - 10% usually means the current and/or voltage going INTO your power supply are damaging it! That's what the Army taught me in a course, anyway, and my own experience confirms it.

Nah, gaming industry is... not "fine", but certainly not dying. It's just the business leadership of AAA companies headed for self-destruction chasing the Line Go Up Forever pipe dream for the shareholders, while the development talent is increasingly taking the savings and experience earned working for the AAA industry and going indie to make the passion projects they've always wanted to make. And many, but not all, of those indie studios are coming out ahead because they're delivering a much better product than the soulless corporate slop of the AAA industry at a better price point.

Plenty of game still being made by small groups and individuals on the PC space. consoles are still more popular and phones are more popular than both of them. AAA gaming is a very very small space in the whole grand of things. They just have the biggest cut and now scrambling to keep that big cut from being diluted towards the new companies. Plus AAA games were also small that sold themselves for money. Very few games companies did not sell out, VALVE.

Unfortunately, theres a solid chance, I’ve seen it before. So much misinformation it’s scary

Yeah considering it was generated by a LLM

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Its published by a real company. Way to miss the point

@@pauliewalnuts2527 This might surprise you, but a lot of real companies are using AI.

@@pauliewalnuts2527 Real companies publish AI generated articles all the time. The writing style makes it painfully obvious that it's AI generated.

I have done the math over the years. It is basically 2(2.5 with SSD prices) years to break even with new parts(including peripherals, minus the monitor). That is with a PC that has about the same raw GPU grunt, but a lot more CPU power(for 1080p high refresh gaming). 1 year(1.5 with current SSD prices), with simply opting for a used GPU, and everything else new. This is all before factoring in game prices. This is just exclusively cost of hardware, and membership for the console.

That's possibly a much trickier proposition, as I'm not sure how much Sony ties to the console ID, especially where online play and the marketplace is concerned.

I don't understand why people miss this fact, it's so obvious that it is impossible to just talk 14 minutes and not once think about used ps5 prices

Yeah but how flogged is that used PS5, what does the thermal paste look like, what about the PSU... Also the high cost of games, PS Plus is also a recurring cost.

what? i don't think it takes any longer to game on a pc after the initial setup

@@M1szS PC games often have compatibility problems. It's less of a problem now than it used to be though.

​@@VitalVampyr yeah, on linux, if you play on windows, there is no compatiblity problems, when all games are made for it (besides exclusives)

Nah sometimes stuff just breaks lol, it's fair ​@@M1szS

@@peterhindes56 I mean true, but it's the same on console

don't worry, the journalist probably works from home and writes off his home/apt. and so really they are making millions!

Somebody sounds salty...lol

@@Aliyah_666 you uh having a whoosh moment there?

you could build one for 600 with all brand new parts

Cause that's what the video was about, their attempt to try and kill the PS5. Nothing really click bait about that.

@@Elmer_RedEagle eh... sure? I would think that's "Is it time to kill the ps5?" if it's an attempt

Okay, but that still doesn't justify calling the project a failure. It is possible to create a machine that is competitive, some people may be willing to do it, and it is fun to at the very least watch Linus try and do things with PC's that may not be possible to do yourself for a variety of reasons. Being dismissive of videos like that is essentially dismissive of the entire channel, the notion of tinkering with your tech and exploring what's out there, which is what the core of LTT always has been.

Also, you don't really "learn" much more with used parts than new parts, apart from haggling maybe. And to be frank, interacting with people on platforms for second hand stuff is my personal hell at the best of times. Keep in mind many countries have way smaller markets for that stuff, and without competition the prices aren't worth it compared to just buying all new.

@@maxx_2245 Even if your time is worth nothing, you live in North America and you are lucky you'll still only get comparable performance with no warranty. I personally mostly use my PC for non-gaming things so a console isn't even in the race, but if gaming is the competition (and that was the hook for the video) it simply loses, any fun or knowledge gained from building it is completely subjective. The question wasn't "can you learn something from doing your own plumbing" but "can you do better plumbing for a similar cost/hour yourself".

The explicit thesis was that LTT had failed to build a comparable PC for a PS5 price because console gamers won't leave their comfort zone. Console gamers are not the audience of LTT, however. LTT's intended audience (as in who videos are written for conceptually) consists of mainly PC users who look to become more knowledgeable of the wider tech landscape, and especially enthusiasts who are eager to hear about expensive solutions, and willing to try more affordable ones. LTT has been creating videos about making cheap desktop PCs for a very long time, and this PS5 vs PC video is just another one of those, equally a tutorial and a proof of concept for the console lifecycle's connections to the PC world. The writer of the article fails to acknowledge this, likely due to the size of LTT's actual audience and the fact that their own audience is mainly looking for pre-built machines. The article doesn't end up having any value to a reader looking to gain insight on the video or the creator of the video, instead serving as some declared victory over DIY mentalities in gaming, done in far too many words to earn keep.

@@thbroadway But it was Linus who brought up the comparison with the PS5. It's literally in the title. If this isn't supposed to bait people who at least consider buying consoles I have a bridge to sell you. If it was just some random budget PC build at a similar budget I'd agree.

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