Why Everyone Hates Victor In TEKKEN 8 

What do you guys think about Victor in this game? Also let me know which characters you want to see me talk about next!

I was playing online and I was playing against a victor that was way better than me, he started toying with me and ever since then I've hated victor

This man is a Soul Calibur character

I remember when Tekken was a martial arts tournament. With a a ninja from space and a bear in it as well.

Tekken King Victor here, and I will say Victor is extremely frustrating to play against in lower ranks. During my climbs with other characters, such as Steve, Hwo, Law, Drag, etc (to Fujin), i always hated running into Victor, but the problem is just that he's gimmicky. I will admit, Victor is an absolute free pass all the way to Fujin. Below Raijin, nobody knows to fuzzy duck f4, 1, nobody baits expulsion, appropriately checks b1+2 and most importantly, nobody sidesteps, which is Victor's main weakness, which makes the character feel impossible to fight. But once Victor mains start facing players who play the matchup even decently, Victor becomes entirely fundamentals. People use tighter frame traps which make expulsion not really work consistently at all. B1+2 gets check by low-commitment lows or gets checked with a jab into a duck and launch (this move is still godlike, don't get me wrong), f4, 1, gets fuzzy ducked, your pressure gets sidestepped all the time, and then you realize against strong opponents Victor has a to play a very honest poking and counter-hit game, whilst only being able to force offense against opponents that are conditioned to stand still, whilst also not having good lows for opening up opponents. and I'd say at higher ranks Victor plays more honest tekken than a lot of other characters. I'm not saying Victor is bad and am in no way trying to downplay. He's solidly A tier and in the top 5 easiest characters to pilot imo. After a heat engager, his offense can get extremely degenerate, but that's most characters tbh. I'm just saying once you reach Raijin, the carry stops, and you have to start actually playing extremely honest, and the character becomes much lest frustrated to face. My second highest ranked character is Eddy in Kishin, and when I play vs opposing Victor's it feels like solid Tekken because the opposing Victor knows bettter than to spam expulsion or b1+2. I'm still working on the fuzzy duck though.

Victor is a great example of a character that looks cool, but is a pain to deal with. And I think that people expected him to play differently than how he does.

Lowtiergod: Victor doesn't have tools💀💀💀

SHINY! EXPRESSIOWN!

My best advice for anyone who finds this matchup annoying is to just straight disrespect his stances. The pressure is mostly fake and you can option select most common flowcharts. He's very straight forward as a character so labbing him really isn't that tedious compared to others

I never liked that they gave him a sword. That's Yoshi's thing. And with him wielding two knives and a gun, it felt like a hat on a hat.

The thing that sucks the most is that this was my first tekken that I decided to take seriously and what's the number 1 thing FGC content creators always say when it comes to you picking your main? "Pick someone who looks cool to you!" So following in their advice, I see the victor trailer and go wow this character looks cool asf I'm gonna main him. Fastforward to after the game releases and I constantly see victor mains getting shit online. Ik myself and Ik I dont use any of the Victor "cheese" so imma keep it pushin but goddamn the victor main slander is tiring sometimes.

EXPULLLSSSSIIIOOOONNNNN. I liked him from the trailer drop last year alongside the Paris theme. I enjoy the French Wick. People complain about him being too strong however at high level, other characters straight up out perform him.

The funniest thing about Victor is that he's firmly mid tier. He's an absolute scrub killer that thrives on brutal counter hits. But against decent players his linearity and lack of abusable lows makes it really hard to open people up.

Victor loyalist here. As someone who competed in Soulcalibur, he was easily the newcomer I was most interested in from day 1, and indeed things like the reach on his weapon attacks felt familiar to me (his df2 is an especially good example). I gradually learned how valuable his cheapest moves were, especially when coming across other Victors online with what I'd call a more, uh, "shameless" playstyle. Speaking of SC, I ended up maining 2B in that game, who was also notorious for having her own flavour of cheese that was widely hated, so even the fact I'm playing a character with this kind of reputation feels like already trodden territory to me XD Even if his most annoying moves get nerfed - and I'm sure they will - I can't see myself dropping him any time soon. Vive le France lmao

New to Tekken, and Victor was the first character I gelled with, he's pretty simple to get the basics down with, really enjoy the game with him.

the only reason im having the greatest of the funs with tekken 8 its because of every single character is broken. mostly like kof 13 but with tekken. thanks for the content, we needed this.

One thing I hate about Tekken is its wonky hit boxes that make absolutely no sense sometimes.

Whoreang difficult to play is the funniest thing ive heard today

Victor players seem most likely to run a flowchart in ranked and then quit mid set once their gimmicks stop working

Harada San, How many weapons do you want Victor to have? Harada San: Yes

I'm a Victor main and in my overall playtime on casual and ranked matches it is incredibly rare for me to see another Victor player. I think his silly dialogue in combat is something I really enjoy while using him and he's just overall fun to use.

I love Victor. Riding the Expulsion Express for life.

I played a lot of Victor at the beginning and didn't realize his WR2 and power crush were so schnasty. I got to Garyu mostly playing FF2, DB3, and of course U1+2. He's got a lot of frame trap stuff that is super good at low level stomping when people are incentivized to just run their offence and mash every interaction. Once I was playing against people who wouldn't mash I hit a huge wall, and probably would have needed to understand his plus frame moves in order to progress much. I did switch to Alisa, so you're 2 for 2 on your bingo card with noob stomping easy to pilot characters. :)

Victor is the character I feel I've truly meshed with in my experience playing Tekken. Nothing more satisfying than landing a CH1+2. Plus his design itself is just awesome af. I will say WR2 is lowkey kinda problematic with its tracking but other than that I think he's fine (but a buff to the tracking on his pokes could be cool). I hit TGS with him today. Really looking to see how far I can push this character to hit GoD.

Its true. I tea bag almost every victor i beat

LTG mains an A and an S-tier character and still somehow manages to play them like they're D-tier.

As a Frenchman, I think you pronounced his first and last name very well.

I think he has the second best character design of any new Tekken character to have come out, Reina being number one. You mentioned "character identity" and I heard that term thrown out a lot but not sure exactly what it means. Can you make a video on that?

As a Victor main, yeah i hate myself too

Steve main here ..... sometimes Steve looks at me and says "I'm tired Boss". Some characters do take more effort and deliberation to pilot...you actually have to think about and assess every situation unlike some characters that dont require much thinking or execution...that's how the term brain dead came about. Characters like victor will only take you so far with gimmicks ...wanna have fun then its ok..but when you reach that ceiling you will have to put in the due effort...and that varies for each character ,some characters reach that ceiling earlier and some dont even have one(they do but kinda don't ykyk).

Honestly I just hate him because I don't understand why he has a Katana, he's supposed to come from a family of Knights. Why does he have a Katana then?.

When i first started playing Tekken 8. And this is my first Tekken btw. I wanted to play Victor simply to cosplay as Vergil from devil may cry. I didn’t realize how braindead his play style is. I didn’t feel like i was learning the game it felt way too cheesy. So i switched to Lars and yea he was way more challenging and it felt so good getting to Garyu with him. I felt like i was actually learning how to properly play the game. I kinda regret not picking Paul though because i think i would’ve improved even better. I think I’m going to play some more Victor for the fun of it. And Paul of course.

best way to counter the 3rd move is to simply kick in the air...

I recently discovered your channel and I just wanna say your videos are super informative especially for a newbie like me! My only nitpick is some of the videos you use in the background have a very low bitrate (most notably at 1:50)

I get nightmares from EXPULSION! 😭😭😭

Victor is a scrub character. I believe powercrushing heat engagers shouldn’t be in the game. You’re giving players a free 50/50 with it. I used him and to my surprise he has more than 4 moves😭😭

I know Azucena got heavy nerfs. And she probably less hated. But would you consider making a video on how hated Azucena was. For archival purposes?

I could listen to Boogard talk all day, great video as always

As a yoshi main, Victor’s up 1+2 makes me green with envy with how much more evasive it feels than Yoshi’s up 3+4 😂

I agree the up 1+2 could be toned down, but the WR2 is not a problem, maybe the chip could be tweaked, but ultimately it’s a knowledge check to know about the possible frame trap after

It's not so much the character, it's the players. I kid you not, every _single_ victor i have ever met, one dones as soon as they lose a round lmao. I'm convinced Victor players are a hivemind

Victor is not good in this game. But you don’t have to be a good character to be annoying.

I have a friend who played this character until he reached purple and challenged me for an offline match he got destroyed, with no fundamentals and just spamming the moves over and over until he got predictable and after he lost 16-3 he said Kazuya was just broken. LOL

What are you talking about, the Tekken community never forgets? That is such a stereotype and I am offended. Oh yeah, but while we're at it, can somebody please buff Lars?

i never really thought of hwuarang as a difficult character to play, so i feel like there is a ton im missing, can anyone fill me in on how he is considered hard along side yoshimitsu?

"BS" command list character like Alisa and Victor, in ranked, could be overly annoying when guys spam easy broken move like the ones mention in the video. Of course you can learn to counter them, but the thing is, IF YOU DONT know your opponent character MU well, I really believe Victor and Alisa are WAYY more tough to deal with that Feng or Dragunov for ex. If you know all the MU of course those two are much stronger than Victor/Alisa, but there is tons of thing to learn in the game and until you find the time to have decent knowledge, you will get bodied by those BS character by rank scrub that will spam you and leave after 1 game, leading to the frustration most people feels playing against such character. No other choice but to lab them properly but even so they are not useless afterward either and you are never safe of a panic "EXPULSION" move for ex, that is fucking overly evasive safe on block mid, and actually tough to step in real time due to the commit you have to do on this step. A good player could surely play him until blue rank with only 25% of his command list and with barely no execution skills, so yes most people hate that type of character.

I actually love playing vs victor is pretty challenging and not annoying I can tell you 6 characters which are more annoying 1. zafina 2. eddy 3. xiaoyu 4. lars 5. eddy 6. hwoarang

Honestly, it feels pretty good to counter him when you know how he fights.

Seen a few of your videos, and it’s great content! Keep it up. Earned a subscriber 💪😎

Ive flip flopped on this character so much, but after getting him to raijin with all the other characters i play i couldnt help but fall in love 😂. Just wish he had more depth to him

I wanted to play him because he looked really cool and his moves looked cool and his music was probably my favorite in the game. And i mean his stage music is good.

He’s really easy to deal with when you know the matchup. My advice would be to sidestep and don’t duck. He has really weak lows and mostly all of his “pressure” can be side stepped to the right

What character isn’t hated in Tekken? Tekken overall is just hard. Enjoy the game and lab when you can.

I’ve come across a lot of victor players to spammed the crap out of EXPRESSIOOOWNNNN. So fucking annoying😂🫠

The back 1+2 doesnt just destroy mid level players. Farzeen was having really early heat engager during combo breaker thanks to that. And he basically beat Anakin bc he was having a lot of trouble predicting his power crush. Victor is an S tier. From watching Farzeen matches during combo breaker, the only way to beat an extremely strong Victor is extremely high movement. AK and Arslan was having movement like crazy

I used this example with a buddy of mine and it clicked when we talked about why we instinctively hate victor: It’s hard being content when you see someone get paid a dollar to skip and you get paid a penny to run.

when i see a victor with the newbie friendly combos on screen, i just block and wait for my turn, simple as that

i really hope that victor is balanced not nerfed in the upcoming patch. he does have his really strong moves and gimmicks but once they're gone he doesn't have anything else so seeing the rest of his kit be useful would be sick as a victor main. if he does just get nerfed though i will keep playing him cause i do find him fun

When they add Noctis back, i can’t hate Victor due to him being flashy. Since, Tekken 8 is still in it’s beginning phase, I can see Victor getting nerf to the core by time the time Tekken 8 be on sale for 20$

At blue ranks and above no one falls for victor cheese anymore. Most victor players at those ranks just play keepout, and once u respect their range start to wr2 u. His mixups really arent that good and his low pokes give up his turn. So hes really not that tought to deal with if you arent bad at the game. His range might need a bit of a nerf tho lol.

So basically the same thing every time new character is released It happened with Steve fox, Leeroy and now Victor.

The move when he hits the ground and the explosion happens…. I’m surprised that didn’t get brought up lol

His freaking sword and gun combos get me almost Everytime 😂

Super awesome video, Boogard. Claudio and Victor are my favorite Tekken characters. I main them both. I don't care what the haters say or think. Screw them. Keep up the awesome content 🤠👍🏼

While his moveset looks akin to Noctis his playstyle is more reminiscent of Phase 4 form DOA6 with her teleport links that give great damage on hit or option selects on block. With fast jabs and strings her pressure is extremely oppressive and hard to counter hold. Should be fitting since DOA6’s creator worked on T8 (after the shame DOA6 brought around and he was to blame in part). The big difference is Phase 4 is hard to play but Kasumi (Phase 4 is a clone of) is easier but doesn’t get free teleports.

I'll always love French John Wick no matter how much the community hates him

As a Victor main, we see your complaints and counter with - up 1+2, have a blessed day😁

There’s a lot I like about Victor. His design is dope, he uses a sword and a gun, he’s voiced by Vincent Cassel - the fact he’s on the more simple side to play as was pretty lucky because I wanted to try him out even if he was difficult …Though the biggest reason I play Victor is because I love Noctis and I miss him and this is the closest we’ve got in Tekken 8 to Noct

Watching this victor gameplay makes me want to go play victor. He’s a badass.

ANOTHER TEKKEN CONTENT CREATOR? FUCK YEAH IM SUBBING

I'd honestly prefer to play as Victor once he gets nerfs, because I like learning the mechanics of Tekken and actually outplaying my opponent rather than pressing the panic button or using obviously overpowered moves to cheese wins

You don't find much Victor players right now. Well, at least for me I don't see many. I was a raven main, used Master Raven in Tekken 7, probably the hardest character in tekken 8 rn is zafina even with a small buff and her usage rate is still the same. Probably my new favorite character next to Maven. Bamco removing moves to fit as heat engagement imo was just a piss poor decision. Especially for RAVEN.

Victor absolutely deserves the hate. Not only is he cheap and ridiculously easy to pilot, anyone that's not broken has a hard time punishing his insane range and pushback.

He's really a difficult character to play against, but they're so many of em, that are like that in this game, that it almost seems unfair to single him out.

Yes, I just lost the first round of an Esl World Cup final because of victor

started climbing the ranks as victor recently from being a jin main, already a higher rank than my jin lol in a less than 1-2 weeks mind you while jin's been my main since launch lmao

Really like your videos man. Good luck with the channel! As a video suggestion; can you do one about why people are hating on our Swedish prince Lars? He's my main and when I fight mirror matches I have a pretty easy time. Sure he's got 50/50s but so does everyone. Where's the hate coming from?

I think the statement "_______ was a character that was notoriously hated" is pretty much universal if you are talking about a Tekken game. Nobody hates Tekken characters more than Tekken players.

I find it comical that people are still pressed by Victor 😂 especially considering that 95% of players haven’t even optimized him.

As a French Spy Main myself I, MYSELF can’t help if Harada gave him Powerful Plus Tools/a broken set of grabs at launch for him to use. You can’t blame a craftsman for his tools GOOD or BAD Now with that being said, Am I gonna continue to use all of his Plus Tools to gain an advantage in my sets? ABSOLUTELY. At the end of the day, Kaz had some merit to his philosophy. A fight may boil down to just “Who’s the last one standing” and if my tools and implementation of them keep me standing then so be it😂😂😂

Glad to see this said. I don’t think it gets much attention because at a high level he’s handled pretty well. But the design is so toxic. B1+2 is so fast and so long range it doesn’t matter that it’s a high. You can low profile it, but you’re not ducking it on reaction or anything and on a read you’re risking ff2 and wr2 mids hitting you. The range means you’re never going to be jabbing him where you can hit the armor then duck (like say Jin’s zenshin 2) and punish. It’s going to be eating like a 16f mid poke that it will counter. He reminds me of Honda in SF6 a lot where he can unga bunga in for free and you can’t really punish it at a low to intermediate level.

been a victor main since day one and i regret nothing

I don't even use wr2 and I rarely use u1+2 or b1+2. People complaining about Victor have never heard of blocking

if you actually play him against high level players he's pretty tricky to get wins,but absolute noob killer,he's kinda like hwoarang in that matter(which i used to play too back in the early days of T7)

As a Victor main, I hate mirror matches. That is all.

Never played victor till now 💪🗣️🗣️🔥💯

Sooooo true... one guy beat me with that one move over and over even blocking he still did damage it was really annoying

What's with this revisionist history of Victor being met with "an insane amount of hype" and people "praising just about everything about him" Like sure he was overall positively recieved like basically any newcomer but from pretty much the word go he had quite a lot of detractors shown by his initial trailer having the third worst like/dislike ratio out of all of them only slightly behind Steve's and Azucena's trailers, and no other character trailer comes even close to these three in terms of negativity I'm not trying to knock anyone who thinks his design is cool, all power to you but there was a veery sizable group of people who thought he was way too overdesigned and mostly just came across as trying way too hard. You know with him being a french, old man, secret agent, cyber ninja with a gun, a lazer katana, karambit knives and techno teleports and all that Again no hate to anyone who thinks he's cool, I just want to point out that he was easily in the top 5 most disliked characters way before anyone even got to play him. The fact that he is strong and very frustrating to play against just added fuel to the fire Also wanted to add that I liked the video overall even if this comment might have come across as quite negative

You don't have to watch the video, I can summize it in 2 words. He's French. You're welcome :)

I picked him because I was hyped from his trailer. Now that everyone hates him I don’t wanna be that guy in ranked lol.

i hate that he has a gun and a knife

kinda offt: i didn't know dragunov was the most played for the first few weeks and not reina💀

Good prononciation of "Vincent Cassel" ! Super YT channel, i follow NOW !

I've wanted to main Victor since before Tekken came out. He's my favorite character archetype with his guns, knives, classy style etc But after the game came out, I heard about how much people hated him, so I swapped to Raven and got him comfortably in Blue Ranks. Raven is cool/fun and all but I do miss playing Victor, I just really like the character and his movement, but I'm worried that people are just going to hate me for it... what should I do?

I'm fine with Victor's visuals and theme but yeah his kit is full of bullshit. And that's coming from someone who uses Yoshimitsu. I wouldn't mind a little evasion here and there but if all those moves are more than safe on block and do tons of chip, it enables a degenerate gameplay instead of being smart with using the moves e.g. doing setups. I understand the sentiment of a beginner friendly character that's new, but you can make a character that's easy without having so much bullshit properties. And if the devs really want to keep some of those properties for identity, at least put some counterplay for it. If even high level players can't properly deal with a character, then it's a sign something is wrong with it. It's one thing that you don't know the matchup, and another thing when learning the matchup doesn't help you anyways. On a side note, I think his katana feels a bit out of place when looking at the rest of his design, would've been more interesting if he was just a knife guy since as far as I know there's already a dedicated swordsman character, but no knifesman character. A cool concept would be his knife transforming into a long range quasi-sword when in Heat so that he gets to keep his moves but it's still on theme. He lacks range w/o Heat but gets it when in Heat.

Honestly most of Victor's stance pressure is completely fake. He cannot block during either of his stances, if he goes into perfumer off a blocked move you can hit him for free. If he goes into Iai off a blocked gunshot you can 90% of the time hit him for free cuz of the powercrush (or duck the gunshot to begin with). If he goes into Iai with that goofy uf1 cancelling, you can honestly still just hit him for free even if the uf1 connects. Hell even when he LANDS the gunshot its only +4 (unless at the wall) so he only has a single option that you can't interrupt, and that option is nothing like Negan's old intimidation 1 2 when it comes to forcing you to respect his stance. He really does just rely on the enemy freezing up most of the time. If you see Victor going into stances against you, especially on block, don't be scared to press a little

In heat means being receptive to mating!

Thanks now I know how to spam him better.

Something you dont see people talk about is he has some alpha peter moves from soul calibur 5 without the harder inputs and they have bonus hits or mixups.

Fun fact, if you either have the read or are very fast on reaction some characters like lars and Shaheen can scoop his expulsion out of the air with their orbitals or superman punch style moves........oh it does pitiful damage and you get no combo and it doesn't cost him heat