Why Everyone Hates Victor In TEKKEN 8 

What do you guys think about Victor in this game? Also let me know which characters you want to see me talk about next!

I remember when Tekken was a martial arts tournament. With a a ninja from space and a bear in it as well.

The best way to counter the characters you hate is to play them yourselves and learn their weaknesses..

This man is a Soul Calibur character

I was playing online and I was playing against a victor that was way better than me, he started toying with me and ever since then I've hated victor

Tekken King Victor here, and I will say Victor is extremely frustrating to play against in lower ranks. During my climbs with other characters, such as Steve, Hwo, Law, Drag, etc (to Fujin), i always hated running into Victor, but the problem is just that he's gimmicky. I will admit, Victor is an absolute free pass all the way to Fujin. Below Raijin, nobody knows to fuzzy duck f4, 1, nobody baits expulsion, appropriately checks b1+2 and most importantly, nobody sidesteps, which is Victor's main weakness, which makes the character feel impossible to fight. But once Victor mains start facing players who play the matchup even decently, Victor becomes entirely fundamentals. People use tighter frame traps which make expulsion not really work consistently at all. B1+2 gets check by low-commitment lows or gets checked with a jab into a duck and launch (this move is still godlike, don't get me wrong), f4, 1, gets fuzzy ducked, your pressure gets sidestepped all the time, and then you realize against strong opponents Victor has a to play a very honest poking and counter-hit game, whilst only being able to force offense against opponents that are conditioned to stand still, whilst also not having good lows for opening up opponents. and I'd say at higher ranks Victor plays more honest tekken than a lot of other characters. I'm not saying Victor is bad and am in no way trying to downplay. He's solidly A tier and in the top 5 easiest characters to pilot imo. After a heat engager, his offense can get extremely degenerate, but that's most characters tbh. I'm just saying once you reach Raijin, the carry stops, and you have to start actually playing extremely honest, and the character becomes much lest frustrated to face. My second highest ranked character is Eddy in Kishin, and when I play vs opposing Victor's it feels like solid Tekken because the opposing Victor knows bettter than to spam expulsion or b1+2. I'm still working on the fuzzy duck though.

SHINY! EXPRESSIOWN!

Victor is a great example of a character that looks cool, but is a pain to deal with. And I think that people expected him to play differently than how he does.

My best advice for anyone who finds this matchup annoying is to just straight disrespect his stances. The pressure is mostly fake and you can option select most common flowcharts. He's very straight forward as a character so labbing him really isn't that tedious compared to others

Lowtiergod: Victor doesn't have tools💀💀💀

EXPULLLSSSSIIIOOOONNNNN. I liked him from the trailer drop last year alongside the Paris theme. I enjoy the French Wick. People complain about him being too strong however at high level, other characters straight up out perform him.

The thing that sucks the most is that this was my first tekken that I decided to take seriously and what's the number 1 thing FGC content creators always say when it comes to you picking your main? "Pick someone who looks cool to you!" So following in their advice, I see the victor trailer and go wow this character looks cool asf I'm gonna main him. Fastforward to after the game releases and I constantly see victor mains getting shit online. Ik myself and Ik I dont use any of the Victor "cheese" so imma keep it pushin but goddamn the victor main slander is tiring sometimes.

I could listen to Boogard talk all day, great video as always

the only reason im having the greatest of the funs with tekken 8 its because of every single character is broken. mostly like kof 13 but with tekken. thanks for the content, we needed this.

I recently discovered your channel and I just wanna say your videos are super informative especially for a newbie like me! My only nitpick is some of the videos you use in the background have a very low bitrate (most notably at 1:50)

Seen a few of your videos, and it’s great content! Keep it up. Earned a subscriber 💪😎

Tekken is litterally the king of iron fist tournament, if you come with knife, gun, cyber katana and a teleport device then i have zero respect for you

One thing I hate about Tekken is its wonky hit boxes that make absolutely no sense sometimes.

your content is very informative and easy to understand, subscribed.

The funniest thing about Victor is that he's firmly mid tier. He's an absolute scrub killer that thrives on brutal counter hits. But against decent players his linearity and lack of abusable lows makes it really hard to open people up.

I played a lot of Victor at the beginning and didn't realize his WR2 and power crush were so schnasty. I got to Garyu mostly playing FF2, DB3, and of course U1+2. He's got a lot of frame trap stuff that is super good at low level stomping when people are incentivized to just run their offence and mash every interaction. Once I was playing against people who wouldn't mash I hit a huge wall, and probably would have needed to understand his plus frame moves in order to progress much. I did switch to Alisa, so you're 2 for 2 on your bingo card with noob stomping easy to pilot characters. :)

I think he has the second best character design of any new Tekken character to have come out, Reina being number one. You mentioned "character identity" and I heard that term thrown out a lot but not sure exactly what it means. Can you make a video on that?

Victor loyalist here. As someone who competed in Soulcalibur, he was easily the newcomer I was most interested in from day 1, and indeed things like the reach on his weapon attacks felt familiar to me (his df2 is an especially good example). I gradually learned how valuable his cheapest moves were, especially when coming across other Victors online with what I'd call a more, uh, "shameless" playstyle. Speaking of SC, I ended up maining 2B in that game, who was also notorious for having her own flavour of cheese that was widely hated, so even the fact I'm playing a character with this kind of reputation feels like already trodden territory to me XD Even if his most annoying moves get nerfed - and I'm sure they will - I can't see myself dropping him any time soon. Vive le France lmao

Really like your videos man. Good luck with the channel! As a video suggestion; can you do one about why people are hating on our Swedish prince Lars? He's my main and when I fight mirror matches I have a pretty easy time. Sure he's got 50/50s but so does everyone. Where's the hate coming from?

As a Frenchman, I think you pronounced his first and last name very well.

I'm surprised how many fans this character has. I find him visually banal, just a guy in a suit, and I deeply hate fire weapons in fighting games.

Content has been great lately, keep it up!

Whoreang difficult to play is the funniest thing ive heard today

great video. i'm alrady subbed

Honestly, it feels pretty good to counter him when you know how he fights.

LTG mains an A and an S-tier character and still somehow manages to play them like they're D-tier.

I know Azucena got heavy nerfs. And she probably less hated. But would you consider making a video on how hated Azucena was. For archival purposes?

This is a good video. I’ll sub

I never liked that they gave him a sword. That's Yoshi's thing. And with him wielding two knives and a gun, it felt like a hat on a hat.

Victor players seem most likely to run a flowchart in ranked and then quit mid set once their gimmicks stop working

Ive flip flopped on this character so much, but after getting him to raijin with all the other characters i play i couldnt help but fall in love 😂. Just wish he had more depth to him

Victor is the character I feel I've truly meshed with in my experience playing Tekken. Nothing more satisfying than landing a CH1+2. Plus his design itself is just awesome af. I will say WR2 is lowkey kinda problematic with its tracking but other than that I think he's fine (but a buff to the tracking on his pokes could be cool). I hit TGS with him today. Really looking to see how far I can push this character to hit GoD.

I love Victor. Riding the Expulsion Express for life.

appreciate the respect and insights

Thanks for speaking about this 🙏🏻 ❤

Steve main here ..... sometimes Steve looks at me and says "I'm tired Boss". Some characters do take more effort and deliberation to pilot...you actually have to think about and assess every situation unlike some characters that dont require much thinking or execution...that's how the term brain dead came about. Characters like victor will only take you so far with gimmicks ...wanna have fun then its ok..but when you reach that ceiling you will have to put in the due effort...and that varies for each character ,some characters reach that ceiling earlier and some dont even have one(they do but kinda don't ykyk).

I'm a Victor main and in my overall playtime on casual and ranked matches it is incredibly rare for me to see another Victor player. I think his silly dialogue in combat is something I really enjoy while using him and he's just overall fun to use.

Sooooo true... one guy beat me with that one move over and over even blocking he still did damage it was really annoying

Its true. I tea bag almost every victor i beat

best way to counter the 3rd move is to simply kick in the air...

New to Tekken, and Victor was the first character I gelled with, he's pretty simple to get the basics down with, really enjoy the game with him.

When i first started playing Tekken 8. And this is my first Tekken btw. I wanted to play Victor simply to cosplay as Vergil from devil may cry. I didn’t realize how braindead his play style is. I didn’t feel like i was learning the game it felt way too cheesy. So i switched to Lars and yea he was way more challenging and it felt so good getting to Garyu with him. I felt like i was actually learning how to properly play the game. I kinda regret not picking Paul though because i think i would’ve improved even better. I think I’m going to play some more Victor for the fun of it. And Paul of course.

I agree the up 1+2 could be toned down, but the WR2 is not a problem, maybe the chip could be tweaked, but ultimately it’s a knowledge check to know about the possible frame trap after

i never really thought of hwuarang as a difficult character to play, so i feel like there is a ton im missing, can anyone fill me in on how he is considered hard along side yoshimitsu?

The move when he hits the ground and the explosion happens…. I’m surprised that didn’t get brought up lol

Super awesome video, Boogard. Claudio and Victor are my favorite Tekken characters. I main them both. I don't care what the haters say or think. Screw them. Keep up the awesome content 🤠👍🏼

Fun fact, if you either have the read or are very fast on reaction some characters like lars and Shaheen can scoop his expulsion out of the air with their orbitals or superman punch style moves........oh it does pitiful damage and you get no combo and it doesn't cost him heat

ANOTHER TEKKEN CONTENT CREATOR? FUCK YEAH IM SUBBING

Victor is a scrub character. I believe powercrushing heat engagers shouldn’t be in the game. You’re giving players a free 50/50 with it. I used him and to my surprise he has more than 4 moves😭😭

Glad to see this said. I don’t think it gets much attention because at a high level he’s handled pretty well. But the design is so toxic. B1+2 is so fast and so long range it doesn’t matter that it’s a high. You can low profile it, but you’re not ducking it on reaction or anything and on a read you’re risking ff2 and wr2 mids hitting you. The range means you’re never going to be jabbing him where you can hit the armor then duck (like say Jin’s zenshin 2) and punish. It’s going to be eating like a 16f mid poke that it will counter. He reminds me of Honda in SF6 a lot where he can unga bunga in for free and you can’t really punish it at a low to intermediate level.

I have a friend who played this character until he reached purple and challenged me for an offline match he got destroyed, with no fundamentals and just spamming the moves over and over until he got predictable and after he lost 16-3 he said Kazuya was just broken. LOL

"weak lows" what about his sweep that is +6 on block that is a juggle starter on CH? it's a expressive low that forces you to take the next attack.

Its the i15 power crush thats super annoying and WR3 is very hard to step. They should reduce the tracking on this

His freaking sword and gun combos get me almost Everytime 😂

There’s a lot I like about Victor. His design is dope, he uses a sword and a gun, he’s voiced by Vincent Cassel - the fact he’s on the more simple side to play as was pretty lucky because I wanted to try him out even if he was difficult …Though the biggest reason I play Victor is because I love Noctis and I miss him and this is the closest we’ve got in Tekken 8 to Noct

As a yoshi main, Victor’s up 1+2 makes me green with envy with how much more evasive it feels than Yoshi’s up 3+4 😂

Maybe do Azucena next?

I've wanted to main Victor since before Tekken came out. He's my favorite character archetype with his guns, knives, classy style etc But after the game came out, I heard about how much people hated him, so I swapped to Raven and got him comfortably in Blue Ranks. Raven is cool/fun and all but I do miss playing Victor, I just really like the character and his movement, but I'm worried that people are just going to hate me for it... what should I do?

I antiaired his Explosion with my Reina's rage art and I felt like a god!

I used this example with a buddy of mine and it clicked when we talked about why we instinctively hate victor: It’s hard being content when you see someone get paid a dollar to skip and you get paid a penny to run.

Victor is not good in this game. But you don’t have to be a good character to be annoying.

I wanted to play him because he looked really cool and his moves looked cool and his music was probably my favorite in the game. And i mean his stage music is good.

I picked him because I was hyped from his trailer. Now that everyone hates him I don’t wanna be that guy in ranked lol.

I could be tripping but im pretty sure that the fact that his kit is 90% weapons it means he's bordeline unparryable? (Which would be pretty much my only gripe with him considering hes easy and being unparryable is just too much enabling for the lower skilled player-base IMO).

Something you dont see people talk about is he has some alpha peter moves from soul calibur 5 without the harder inputs and they have bonus hits or mixups.

You don't find much Victor players right now. Well, at least for me I don't see many. I was a raven main, used Master Raven in Tekken 7, probably the hardest character in tekken 8 rn is zafina even with a small buff and her usage rate is still the same. Probably my new favorite character next to Maven. Bamco removing moves to fit as heat engagement imo was just a piss poor decision. Especially for RAVEN.

I don’t hate Victor tbh even tho it’s a pain to fighting against him so what’s your relationship with practice mode.

i would love nore tekken vids like this

i really hope that victor is balanced not nerfed in the upcoming patch. he does have his really strong moves and gimmicks but once they're gone he doesn't have anything else so seeing the rest of his kit be useful would be sick as a victor main. if he does just get nerfed though i will keep playing him cause i do find him fun

Thanks now I know how to spam him better.

What about king ? Is mega ridiculous, you cannot grab out if you don't push the button like an electric 😅

tekken 8 is my first tekken and i picked victor for a mixture of reasons. first i saw bits of gameplay and thought his design was super dope, and also i heard he was a good beginner character. this was great to hear considering how notorious tekken’s difficulty is. after about 175 hours ingame and getting to orange rank i can definitely say he is overturned. i believe his lack of strong lows is a good weakness to have for this kind of character but really not enough. i think some attributes for his strongest moves should be removed, such as the insane versatility of b1+2.

I play Viktor for the most part, as he was easy to pick up for a beginner like me when it comes to fighting games. I understand he's frustrating to other newcomers but once you do play him, he's a pretty fair character with clear weaknesses. I do think his WR 2 and 15f powercrush needs a nerf but he really isn't all that big of a deal if you know what you're doing. Pro tip if you're new, Victor's lows are horrible for the most part, the only two decent ones are perfumer+3 (if you get hit don't duck as it will crumple you if he does 3 again) , d/b 4 (watch out for this as it crumples on counterhit) and even those aren't all that amazing if you expect them. Respect his heat, his moves don't track as much as certain other characters and if he spams 2, you can launch him for free if he finishes the string which a lot of beginner Victor's do. I can understand his pressure (or rather fake pressure from his stances as someone mentioned) can be overwhelming at first but he's really not that bad. I'd rather play 50 Victors in a row than a single game against Feng Wei or Azucena. I am now trying to put my time into learning Leo and Reina, both being very difficult for me but I'm doing my best. Remember that games are used for fun, so more fun for you when you beat a character you don't like!

The falling sword attack isn't plus on block right?

Spam grabs that’s the best counter

"BS" command list character like Alisa and Victor, in ranked, could be overly annoying when guys spam easy broken move like the ones mention in the video. Of course you can learn to counter them, but the thing is, IF YOU DONT know your opponent character MU well, I really believe Victor and Alisa are WAYY more tough to deal with that Feng or Dragunov for ex. If you know all the MU of course those two are much stronger than Victor/Alisa, but there is tons of thing to learn in the game and until you find the time to have decent knowledge, you will get bodied by those BS character by rank scrub that will spam you and leave after 1 game, leading to the frustration most people feels playing against such character. No other choice but to lab them properly but even so they are not useless afterward either and you are never safe of a panic "EXPULSION" move for ex, that is fucking overly evasive safe on block mid, and actually tough to step in real time due to the commit you have to do on this step. A good player could surely play him until blue rank with only 25% of his command list and with barely no execution skills, so yes most people hate that type of character.

Havent played much against Victors but when I do, its a patient game. He has more time intervals between major moves than most characters. Study his timing and youll find an opening soon after

Was doing punishment training with Leo Vs victor lately..I just learned a few things then I kinda forgot the training when I met him online xx and when I see people saying Leo is easy to use it's funny .. when I compare him with the new ones ,I say at least give Leo guns or swords or something then u can say it's fast and easy to use, I'm glad my main is not that popular or he will get the same fate as poor Victor or azucena.

I think he’s actually pretty cool, it’s the players I don’t like. That and the noise he makes when he does the uppercut thing with his knife.

Harada San, How many weapons do you want Victor to have? Harada San: Yes

Nice video😊

i like this kind of content g

At blue ranks and above no one falls for victor cheese anymore. Most victor players at those ranks just play keepout, and once u respect their range start to wr2 u. His mixups really arent that good and his low pokes give up his turn. So hes really not that tought to deal with if you arent bad at the game. His range might need a bit of a nerf tho lol.

I think like any fighting game, it just comes down to labbing out characters and figuring out what works with and against them. For all the cheese I see in ranked against Victors, as a Victor player, I don't have too much trouble with (low ranks, though). 2 spam into iai can be blocked, and you can easily jab him out of it. It's similar to talking about Eddy; most will get demolished because they don't know the matchup, but he's not as oppressive once you do. Hell, I get stomped by Paul players more than anything.

i main him, and i continue doing so until the high skill characters (bryan and kazuya only) are playable

when i see a victor with the newbie friendly combos on screen, i just block and wait for my turn, simple as that

As a Victor main, we see your complaints and counter with - up 1+2, have a blessed day😁

I'm just jamming out to sonic music while having rewatch to ACTUALLY listen to the video lol

Watching this victor gameplay makes me want to go play victor. He’s a badass.

I'm just mad I can't parry his swords

When they add Noctis back, i can’t hate Victor due to him being flashy. Since, Tekken 8 is still in it’s beginning phase, I can see Victor getting nerf to the core by time the time Tekken 8 be on sale for 20$

It was funny watching the Baaz Gauntlet tournament because I was hoping to find out how the pros deal with and counter Victor's moves. Turns out, they don't lol. They have to hold it just like the rest of us.

The only element of Victor I really have beef with is EXPULSION while in heat, that shit is nuts. Outside that I really don't mind fighting him

Honestly, this is a hot take, but I don't think he needs to be nerfed severely. I feel fighting him is a knowledge check matchup. A lot of the time I lose to him does seem to be less down to gimmicks and simply down to what I didn't pick up on. He should be nerfed somewhat but I actually think my own characters besides Kazuya (who needs buffs) need more severe nerfs because a lot of their stuff replaces fundamentals with gimmicks (particularly Jin and Lars). Making him less safe could be warranted but his range does make sense with his fighting style. I'm assuming a lot of his attacks are pretty linear. Just add commitment penalties to some of his longest range attacks. In terms of what can truly ruin my day Feng is more all-around oppressive.

4:26 Reminds me of "Running 3"😂