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Alex has made me into a low-stakes beast. I had no idea how much I was leaving on the table using GTO-based strategies vs players who think GTO is a Pontiac.
GTO is very good to use, but nobody can play perfect or close to perfect GTO...Thats why you should play GTO only when its better than being exploitive...You need to mix it up, not focus only on one thing...
This video is just exploitative ad and bunch of wrong concepts. 1. Gto players worse than exploitative style. Nope U can't either full or min exploit if u don't know at least some balanced\gto strategy 2. Look at the highest stakes all GTO reputation players who comes from cash crushes it and fastly got better result than famous 'exploitative top players' of MTT. Why do u show random bad graph of 'non-gto' random player instead of 'gto-guys' just show BBB or LLinusLove graph. 3. Money comes from bluffs in Holdem. Nope. Money comes from both opponents overfolding and overcalling it depends of a spot 4. In video u forget about sets as since can do basic calculation set + 2 pairs + straight is 16.2+17.4+19.1 = 52.7 and u said opponents should fold 52% to 110% bet which is kinda perfect. U might say but he is still overvall - u have an equity. Yes, but OOP player SHOULD overfold.
This guy is awful I cant believe Evan put him in here. One of the worst coaches I have ever seen, I cant believe he spent so much time teaching others and is so bad at presenting important information. We dont even know who our opponent is in the hand AdKd, 0 information!
I have to say, personally I put Alexander in the top 5 best instructors I've come across in my limited time learning. Only a few minutes in, he said something very curious. "Most software is built to help you part with your money." This is a very interesting statement. Can someone expand on this for me? Perhaps without calling out particular developers, is some software fare worse than others? Appreciate ya.
I think he was implying that the more expensive softwares in the $100-500 range are overpriced. I'm not sure if I agree with him though. The face is there in all these products if you're able to use them properly. Most people don't get the value because they never figure out how to use the tools, that's why teachers like Alex are the Nuts!
Terrific instructor and information. However, does the difference in me knowing the difference between 18% and 19.5% equity make any discernible impact on my immediate decision making? I totally appreciate the psychological importance of precision of mind but does 1.5% ever really change my decisions? How about 0.5%? Whats the cutoff point? In the heat of battle i've always rounded the odds of a flush draw with one card to come down to 'just under 20%', or conversely, '80% against'. Is this not accurate enough? In a game like poker, with luck playing a much much higher role than say a higher percentage skill sport like motor racing, where a number like 1.5% has a far more tangible and immediate resonance in terms of rightfully pulling the attention, is this truly the proximate cause for the difference between a Daniel Negraneu and say a 'journeyman' pokerstars pro?
I'm not asking this to piss on anyones chips (an English expression), but rather to ask if this distinction is more for psychological bolstering and it's perceived benefits, or for genuine mathematical advantage with genuine in field application.
Generally the pot odds are going to be such that the micro percentages don't matter. When you are reviewing with software like equilab you can factor in these exact edges, but for saving mental energy to pick up on more important things like tells, I'd say just round it out :)
plentyofouts I agree with you, he emphasizes it so much when in reality it doesnt even matter. And again, Evan shoved that he is a better coach than this clown from the video simply when he said in the comment abovr me that you should round it. Dont play like a fucking robot. 18% or 19.5%? Who tf cares you should spend your time teaching more important stuff
My biggest Ahha moment was learning furthermore how flopzilla works and that when you click that red button to green it solves all the combos and predicts your opponents possible hands. That's super valuable!! Great video man
My problem is that i don't have any tool in poker that can help me.(i mean, i have flopzilla, but it is not useful for me when i'm playing because i can't visualize and count all the combos,is very confusing in my mind)I'm good at maths,but when it comes to poker, i can't visualize all the combos of betting,check,folding, 3 betting, etc...Is like i can't visualize in my mind by imaginating the combos in the flopzilla software,neither by other methods...I'm strong at chess but i suck at poker. I can't visualize any range,even if my memory is good.Can you help me? Thank your
I bought and listened to Alex's book on Audible a few weeks ago, and I absolutely love the concepts. I've only had a few spots to use his tactics in my $2/$5 game, but they really do work. What's most surprising to me (and it's reinforced by a lot of the comments here) is that players are too proud or ignorant to accept what he's saying. They would rather keep losing money, and bemoan their "bad luck" when they lose, again. It's mind bottling.
Very interesting stuff. So with the nfd where you bet 110% pot on the turn, whats your plan on a non diamond river? Are you betting river again to get him off of 1 pair or just checking back?
3/4 of the time you should bet, 1/4 of the time you should give up. AK isn't the bottom of your range there, and has decent showdown equity, I'd says its a check.
I think you're flawed in your logic. Combo wise you shouldn't have many 7's in your preflop raising range. You're representing a straight on the turn. You have many more flush draws combos and a good player should see that. Also I think that it could be easy for sevens to check raise and check call to see river and let you barrel again with your missed flush draw . Since like you said, the flush doesn't come that often(less than 20 percent) so it's an easy check call/raise. If they check raise you, you are not going to get the right price to draw and now you're in a tough spot. If you think that you'd bet 110 percent pot with AA with the Ace of diamonds on the turn,seems like a bad play because you block the nut flush draw. So you're assuming that you're going to barrel the turn with all over pairs and sets? Probably not all over pairs. So you only have sets, maybe a turned two pair ? Not a lot of value. Plus you have AK of diamonds so you're opponent doesn't have any big draws because you block them. So at best your opponent could have a Q high flush draw and might not pay you on a big river bet. I don't know. It just seems a little too obvious what you're doing right there. On the surface it would work, but a thinking player should see through that. Also, by betting this much and often, people will hold on with weak holdings later. Which is good if you have value, but if you're bluffing too much you're going to stumble into a disaster.
Great answer. Yeah this might work at the very low stakes but almost any thinking player will see right through this. Then you run into the question, what hands do you bluff with for full pot on the turn? All your AKs? AQ? If you just base it on his range you're going to be WAYY over bluffing and the opponent can just bluff catch you all day
What tha math!!!! There is so much lol in this video. To even say - look this 4K games graph where I played “GTO” shows your utter lack of understanding of GTO. You can’t play GTO, nobody can - your own Latvian friend said it right “humans buck under pressure” and you are also a human right? No human can play GTO, no one has perfect recall - perhaps your latvian friend needs to add that to his awe inspiring quote which is essentially saying - forget strategy, you will win by playing at one of thr basic tenets of human psyche. That crap will not scale up and make you good at bad habits. Remember, when you put in volume and want to rise up in stakes - it’s these bad adjustments and poor understanding that will be your obstacle. Human brains get better at doing something the more they do it - it’s called practice. To include these bad habits and maladjustments in your game will then make it harder for you to switch your strategy. Since you have given up on a GTO framework, it’s more BS to say you are playing exploitative poker. Man, you are at the whim of trial and error when you just latch on to tendencies because of sample size vs any villain. Adjustments from unexploitable play can only come from finding where villains will generally underperform and you want to rely on your experience rather than a deck and a software that’s pretty fckn good at showing you the whole damn picture. Small/lolsoft games are the easiest. Don’t go all guns firing man - it’s good enough to understand that a ton of money is put in the pot preflop with weak ranges so you adjust by playing tighter, betting bigger - pricing your opponents who are always going to be playing catch up vs your stronger range. It’s that simple and also combos should take anyone with half a brain 5 mins and a deck w/ 52 cards 13 ranks and 4 colors, and basic math to fix up their counts - you want to go with lolzilla. Gosh man, half the things you are implementing are expos you couldn’t find without understanding those spots when your EV approaches your MES - that is - solving to equilibrium. So the fact you are implementing but mislabeling them is just a matter of experience and being a decent reg. Well trained players don’t buck under pressure. It’s not as simple as - opponents ain’t playing GTO, they are irrational so this framework is flawed. That is derpy logic. Remember the old poker adage - “if you can’t find the fish on a poker table, you’re probably playing a pseudo-exploitative strategy.” Keep it simple man. Poker is easy. Don’t bang a hammer when you can be Thor. GTO and Exploitative frameworks are not mutually exclusive.
Is memorizing all of the turn and river odds, adding up the pot in real time for live poker, and figuring out exact pot odds and implied odds during the hand considered exploitative poker? Isn’t doing what I just mentioned a higher level of skill than to just count combos? How can you beat someone who mathematically solves the pot/implied odds math in real-time at the table unless you’re also doing math to the furthest point?
Counting combos and calculating odds are 2 different skillsets that work to support each other. They are synergistic and learning both of them will help your game tremendously.
Evan I have been following you for a while now. Started following Alex about a year and a half ago. You guys have been great for my game. Great to see you both on the same team 👏
I dont agree with this video at all... Your range is not too much 7 combos as his defending range, you will never bet value hands on turn exept 7 and 79...if he got any of cards on flop he blocks suited 7 combos you can have, so he can easily determine you are probably bluffing... Ofc he will call you down with his 7x on river if diamond gets there, but its not as common to be profitable....Turn bet looks too bluffy to me, and i will prob call you down... But who am i to speak about poker :)
I agree, its level 2 poker thinking. We know that he rarely has a 7, but we ignore that he knows that we rarely have either. And would we really bet that big with a straight? He might even turn his pair into a bluff and shove to our bet.
@@SunLife-gy1eu Thats polarized bet, but most of the time its bluff, so prob be called much more and would be costly bluffs... It is many better spots to place huge polarized bets, bluffs or value then this one. I understand that if he have str8 will be paid hugely, but most of the time he looses cause this looks too perfect to bluff, so most giod players will call him down. And if he misses river after turn bet, he must continue to rep str8, so that is stack sized bluff.... I dont know, maybe im too loose, but i get ton of value by calling this bets in this specific spots. Just my 2 cents.
And if we speaks about exploitative poker, it would be exploitative to bet sets, two pairs against moron fish calling station for value.... There is no exloatation in this specific hand with top of the range pf opener, and cbet flop/turn.... Its much more gto.... Mixed bluffs and value on very coordinated board.... Or maybe i dont understand therory 🤔
@@SunLife-gy1eu and how we rarely have 7 in our range? Does 7 means c/r flop? No. Does pair with 7 means c/r? No. We have many more 7s than it looks like, and all other strong holdings are mandatory c/r on this board texture, especially cause turn can kill action and we loose value.... So i see that we have enough 7s in range, plus spot is too good for bluffs so we can continue with turned 2nd pair, turned set or just even a pair...
if I bet 200 to win 800 ( 600 + 200 ) on the turn I need him to fold 25% of the time, and I still have that 20% equity, which means that if he folds 5% of range on the turn I'm making a profit. 5%!!!!!!!!! + I think BB almost always x / raise a straight v that size and when he x / call on the turn his range will be so weak that u can easily bluff any river with a 50 / 60% pot size bet. I think that overbetting is just a waste of money long term when you run into a straight, which is going to happen 1/5 roughly, and you can achieve the same result by betting small twice and investing fewer chips.
You're one of the fewest people in the world (literally) that's younger than me and I love your insight and wisdom. I want to buy a tshirt from you haha....
“Imagine having to do this all on your own.” - when talking about looking at the remaining hands that the opponent could have. Well you can’t use this is real life, so you will have to do this on your own in live poker. I get that this helps you off the table, but you still need to learn how to go through the opponents hands in live poker eventually.
I just couldn't get past the part where you said "bs because I dont know my opponents range" or something similar. I think the exact same, if I'm guessing his range and putting in guessed ranges, what if I'm guessing wrong? Wont that give me misinformation? I hate how confusing these charts are
if they're really bad players, it's more likely than not that you are guessing wrong, but that it wont matter because they won't know what to do anyway lol.. big bet scary me fold, free lunch
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why not do both? strictly betting half-pot or whatever with the nuts every-time or almost every time, for example, is simply terrible......Many times ive seen some of the worst players will even recognize this as a "sucker" bet and simply fold because of the sizing.
Thanks for these videos. I was having trouble, but after implementing these strategies in low stakes cash and 6 max tournaments my win rate has skyrocketed. It's like taking candy from a baby. I go into cash games, make enough for a buy in in a sit and go and then play a tourny. Especially the tips on bet sizing. Works like a charm. I can't even tell you how many times I have taken down the pot with almost any two cards as long as I had position and made the proper bet size. Thanks again.
I would go bet flop then bet 70% on the turn and check back the river unless a diamond comes with the intention to check call a king or ace and fold when I bricks out Is this ok I get betting 110% is going to work better but my line looks pretty balanced towards value as we’ll
In live low stakes, people are massively exploitative and frankly many people dont have clue of how to play. Gto is still useful but only against certain opponents who you can really estimate ranges correctly. I mean you are playing with people who play j2 suited and a4 off suit vs utg open. You just need to categorize people into category based on short observation and go from there. Knowing GTO is useful and never should underestimate it but in live exploitative style is the best. But never ever leave yourself out to gto principles.
He Said something VERY important that 99,9% of the casual players dont understand. "Anyone can hit cards, but you only get good when you Win money without hitting the cards". So many spots where I had crap cards but won the hand Just from Reading the players and exploiting them
You said this is too important (to have this tool because we can count the combos). But my problem that when playing, i can't visualize these things in my head. How can i visualize all the combos of betting, checking and folding? How the pros think and how they in their mind see all the combos without any problem?
The more time you spend practicing with the tool, the more naturally your mind will do it at the table. It's all a matter of putting in the hours until things become easy and second nature. (And we have problems too, don't be fooled for thinking we do everything perfectly :P)
@@gripsed thank you for the answer. I'm not going to bother you with more questions because i assume you have a lot of messages to answer, but i would like to know if you see in your mind the squares of every type of hand like in piosolver, or do you count combos of your range by counting one by one like i have 20 different Q's, 30 different A's... 8 combos of two pair,etc. Another problem is to delete in my mind the cards used for other combos, like if i count queens... From Q9 to AQ, then you start counting A's, to delete AQ from the combos because you counted it. And it combined with the fact that it could happen with other cards in the same Hand. So confusing, i can't rank all these different confusing situations in my head. And i'm good at maths😩. I could do It with 3 minutes for every street decision but on internet or live, i only have like 10 seconds to act. Too complicated
@@gripsed Well, it may take a while now. Apparently someone stole my entire bankroll from America's Cardroom. There is an investigation pending. This never happened before. Has it happened to anyone else?
@Gripsed Poker Training I searched expo poker and your channel came up. What I wrote was a bit rude, no malice though, I don't know any other way to write. I did sort that out in one of the comments. I just didn't know there existed people who 'appreciate information and strategy from winning players' and find it 'amusing when people call them out as terrible, yet seem to very afraid of posting their own results when called out.' I never said terrible, or maybe I did but was probably talking about expo vs GTO being treated like two polar strategies. I wish I heeded BBZ's countless times telling me not to get involved with derps but I actually thought the fella was serious. I think when he rocked half a mill in winnings, I should have known he doesn't quite understand the level of snipes in Poker profits. Turns out, I just wasted some time button clicking. I really enjoy banter but gotta put in a SHIFT & not CAP LOCK my range. GL. Poker is poker is poker. If it works for you, let it shine! GL!
My biggest Epiphany from this video is that "Overbets are really miss understood" .... Why? because people bet small... Why? because they want value (high frequency calls from worse) and bluffs for value (low frequency folds in order for it to be profitable bluff) .... New age is Overbets for value (but lower frequency calls) and from folds (as a bluff ... people nowadays will over fold to them)
Wasn't this video supposed to cover "5 Postflop Plays That are Killing Your Results? The dude showed one hand, and covered really only one Play. He spent 3/4 of the video talking about himself at the beginning and then trying to sell you something at the end. No wonder nobody's heard of him.
A rather intense video, i would say this goes deeper into a topic imo. To be honest i would've checked this AK on the flop already and taken it slow. KEy moment for was alex saying "he is more afraid of the scare card than you"... i can understand what he is saying and i understand his arguments... but we're in MP and trying to rep overpairs or sets basically (or 77). Truly is purely exploitative paly and relies on the opponent not ranging you properly in order to know we're bluffing most of the times.
it does rely on your opponents not ranging you properly. Most of your opponents aren't studying as much as you Marten and thus don't think about the game as clearly as you do. It's hard to remember that other people don't think/see things how we do, but once we remember it... ez game :)
Rename this to “increase your bluffing range and add to your variance.” Lol. All the Eastern European dudes at my spot are so predictably aggressive, they dump tons and we all love them.
Interesting to see how powerful and needed an over bet is in certain spots. Also how profitable and thorough a resource Flopzilla is. I watch the vids twice; once to get an overview of the topics and info then the 2nd time to further retain the knowledge and rethink my answers to the quiz questions. It also gives your boy @Gripsed a few extra views lol!
@The Ghost of Jimi Hendrix 5 postflop hacks you can use... 3 critical winning poker concepts, 10 steps to do this 4 ways to splash the pot, 3 acid trips to find if your combo doesn't have good card removal against villain's bluff catching range (oh wait that might need a hypothesis, subtler look at the hand - not click bait so not gripsed certified). Gripsed, this channel is pure click bait really. Tournament poker is weak play. 20 monkeys flipping 20 monkey ranges can win 20 monkey tourneys in a row look like super geniuses. Broadly speaking though Poker needs people like Gripsed cuz fish are attracted to click bait. Also, Casper, I've been in the game for a long time. You're stuck on someone's wing but the cane is in my hand & you've got the flick knife. I am living my dream, not some Ghost that quit life. What? Did you come 5th in a race? That's ok lad, 90% don't make the grade. Call it in, oh I forgot, you already dug your grave. Too bad no one proper taught you what to do when you don't hit your spade.
This Video starts to suck at min 5:32. Why would you C Bet on this flop with AdKd? Any why half pot? Villians Range has tons of Sets, 2 Pairs, Straights etc. A half pot C Bet doesnt accomplish anything. Best line is check flop or maybe sometimes betting around 25% pot. Turn is an easy checkbehind or call and you reevaluate the river. Thats all.
Please explain in more details how a strategy used to counter the toughest opponents ("gto" vs high stake guys) cant beat weaker ones? "GTO" players can beat high stakes fields but not the micro? I guess the micro limit players should play high stakes instead. This sounds like a misleading logic to me.
@@yelfouladi GTO can beat weaker players, but it passes up on opportunities to beat them for the maximum. I'll make a video on this in the future, it's too much to discuss in comments, I wouldn't do it justice =D
Nobody I play with is folding any K7 or even Q7 there. That’s for starters. And nearly 100% they check the straight back when it hits the turn. I’m nit sure who you are playing but they don’t resemble hardly any of my opponents
Not to mention, i found it awfully convenient that he had a “strong range” while omitting a ton of the 7x that most people aren’t folding to a 2-2.5x raise.. When you take out 65% of the 7x, NOW hero has this great advantage. I think reality is quite different.
L P then you lose... but ~80% of the time he doesn’t have the 7. You should play based on his range, not 1 specific card he could have. That’s better for you in the long run, but yes sometimes he will have the 7 and sometimes you’ll lose.
What about if your opponent check-raises all gutshots and bottom pairs on the flop. Then he will continue with a call on the turn with a tighter range. This will mean that his straight, sets & two pairs combos percentage will increase. What if they are 35% and they check-raise you all-in on the turn with them and you have to fold your 20% winning equity + implied odds for a value bet on the river. How does the math with overbet apply then and would it be actually a bad move?
You shouldn't use GTO in amateur settings, you should study GTO to learn how to exploit what your opponents are doing wrong. Saying you should be playing GTO in your recreational 1/2, and even 2/5 games is dumb.
there is nothing different than what you just spoke about compared to GTO. IN fact I have recently watched a GTO ting video that is nearly identical to your video. See, upswing poker training video in the lab.
Cant tell if this vid is trolling or not...... or he's teaching people to play poorly to make poker great again, then this video totally makes sense....... and by the way guys if you bet that turn against good players you bet your ass youre getting check raised and river bombed by straights and bluffs.
i honestly think people dont understand what GTO actually means. GTO is exploitative in nature. if you told PIO that villain only bets the nuts on the river, the GTO play would be to fold everything but the nuts and that would be GTO as it would be the most optimal strategy. what your conflicting in this is that GTO against GTO just meets at a nash equilibrium where neither player will adjust their strategy against each other as neither will benefit. PIO will solve for any player type if you give it the parameters of each player type. I understand if you want to make the statement that playing an unexploitable strategy is bad (and impossible for a human most likely) but to say GTO is bad in itself is wrong as completely and shows an actual misunderstanding of solvers and of GTO principles which is to maximise EV against another player. I can quickly use a solver on a certain flop, tell it what i think certain villain types would do on each flop and it will tell me how to playback against these player types. I can also simplify these strategies by adjusting the bet sizes i allow PIO to use and make a strategy that on certain board textures just beats every player type as most players make mistakes against this strategy. Its why the regs at 10nl zoom complain about 2bb/100 win rates when in actuality you can earn so much more probably closer to 20bb+/100 with the help of solvers. Another example id like to put is this. lets take a player who will call down with second pair and better by the river but never raise, you would assume u couldnt bluff this player, you would be wrong if for example the player was in the BB and we opened UTG, we would still make money bluffing this player on flops and turns and even some rivers and that would be the ultimate exploitative approach which would be quickly and easily solved by a solver and maximize EV and be the GTO way to play your range in this spot. GTO is exploitative poker, you just didnt look at it properly
Game Theory Optimal. It's like game theory, making every single decision correctly. Every time your opponent blunders, you make a profit. The problem with GTO is that at the moment you make a mistake, you become vulnerable to explotation.
@@gripsed No I'll be buying it... when I get time to focus a bit on poker (probs before WSOP, if I get a chance to go this year). Even if I don't I'll probably get it just to support the good work you're doing tbh =P Do you get interaction with Alex or yourself through this in a Facebook group or something like Upswing I wonder? Or is it just course materials?
too much faith in range finding n too many other variables come into play in a hand of poker. it's a nice tool but more or less possible combos of possible ranges of possible hands doesnt di anything but add more shit to my already whacked out poker tweaker mind
Nobody plays true GTO strategy on the live tables... some just don't enough of a fuck OR we just don't play enough volume to justify doing so. You focus on GTO and you abandon other schools of thought such as live tells, levelling wars and erm well soul reading (lol) Most plays in a live setting are pretty much exploits... not a stonewall point necessarily, just a talking piece
I have bad news for you. People that use exploitive strategy are the easiest to exploit with fundamentals. You check to them with a good hand and let them go crazy with a crappy hand like a flush draw.
Exploitive strategy only works if people chicken out when they see a big raise. If the opponent is also calculating your range he is not going to fold if he has a pair even the smallest pair and beat you.
"I have literally done more coaching..." Sounds like something my 12 year old niece says. "Like, I literally died from laughter".... stop blowing yourself. If u want recognition then achieve things. Don't tell people why you're cool, just be cool. Probably a vegan. Can't help but to tell everyone and steer conversations to self recognized achievements.
