Why Fandoms Are So Toxic 

@@blacktigerpaw1 it doesn't matter if they were baited or not, nobody has the right to harass an actor because something in the show happened they didn't like. Complain to the producers if you want change

@@HestyThrones I agree. But shippers *did* go after the showrunners for it. Even when the showrunner was *gay*.

@@judeconstantine2767 not all of them

@@drisspinker ALOT of them...oh boy, ALOTTA LOT of them. RWBY, anyone? :D

@@judeconstantine2767 This is a very bad generalization. Please don't assume that because it's not true. I don't ship Johnlock, I am part of the LGBTQ+ community and I don't do that. And I know lots of people in the community who don't do that either. It's like saying all white people are problematic or or catholics are problematic. Please reconsider this view.

I've seen some shows give into toxic fandoms and it upsets me. I know they need to make money, and to do that, they need to please the fans, but... I'd rather they just told the story they intended to from the start, even if that means upsetting people. Telling an artist or a writer that they "did something wrong" in their work is really disrespectful to the hard work and thought that went into a creation. Constructive criticism is fine, but harassing creators because something didn't turn out how *you* wanted it to is rude. Isn't this what fan fiction was supposed to be for in the first place? To satisfy people's imagination and fantasies of how *they* wanted the story to go, regardless of the canon events?

The best fandoms are the older ones that have had time to settle, long after the initial show ended

The best fandoms are the older ones that have had time to settle, long after the initial show ended. Trust me I know from experience

Eddsworld vibes tho

I heard that happened to a show called rwby, i heard the fandom pressured the writer into making two characters a lesbian couple

god yep

Yeah when I saw the sarcastic “child-coded” pop up in the video I could feel myself getting angry too. Like… I haven’t even seen the show and that’s *still* viscerally upsetting.

Plus she’s like 30 she can kiss whoever she wants

Never watched the she-ra reboot but aiblest people are loosers (this is from someone whit autism)

I feel like the real problem is that they're all teens/young adults and ENTRAPTA'S 30!

True that.

attack on fandoms

how to sum up toxicity in just a few words.

True. Whenever someone types something wrong about a game/show respectfully, those toxic fans just create a big argument.

Thats why I love PvZ and Polytopia fandom

Estrella congrats, want a cookie or something?

Estrella cool

Kale 23 I’m not annoyed or pissed or anything XD I’m just being snarky

Estrella my cookie comment was supposed to be like; “welcome to the club, so have the rest of us” I see how it could be taken the wrong way, but I wasn’t intending to be rude

Yeah honestly its pretty intense

I just don't join fandom communties. That's what usually makes me leave. I'm on food ones and writing ones

I used to use Amino. I saw two sides of the spectrum. In the Undetale Amino, shippers were running rampant causing ship wars because they thought this character needed to be with that one. On the other hand, I was also there when Godzilla Amino banned all non-canon ships. So yeah, that app is a ride.

Same with Persona 5 Amino

I’ve never had a problem with amino besides this one bitch who was toxic AF I blocked her, got everyone who also was being harassed by her, and we all just was like “make sure no one cares about what she post and maybe she’ll leave the community” So yea, there was that

DUDE SAME. LIKE LEGIT.

it was'nt always like that but damn they make it that way

no, no, you got a point

Omg you are so right. I've been a shipper since age 11. I never got too into social media though, since I wasn't allowed, but still, I obsess over shows and ignore my surroundings. Around age 16, during the pandemic, I got really into politics. Just like how I got into fandoms

Fr

Well damn, I don’t like politics and a lot of fandoms require a hazmat suit

so fucking based

Lucky.

this made me smile we love to see that

I love this

@@herobrine3245 Fr tho

Oh, I remember. What was her name? I can’t find it.

@@nkbujvytcygvujno6006 Their name was Lauren Zuke (their current name is Jesse Zuke).

my god, really?

Oh... yeah, thank you.

Dont let that distract you from how a woman portrayed Rose Quartz skinny instead of fat and Tumblr drove her to borderline suicide.

Bees bees I still do that. If I see a fanfic that has something that I won’t like, then I skip it

@@geomeopeoleo1740 I wish more people did that, especially nowadays.

Midnight Sonnet Does it count if I’m reading it to make fun of it personally and laugh at how bad it is, without saying anything to the creator?

Thing is, as someone who's been involved in various fandoms since the early 2000s - there has always been drama. Does nobody remember Harmonians and Harry/Draco slashers? Cassandra Clare's BNF club? MsScribe? Fans of classic Doctor Who getting confused and upset by post-2006 Doctor Who fans for bringing shipping into fandom? Zutara vs Kataang? The original Twilight backlash? Fandom_Wank and other LJ drama communities existed for a reason. One can argue about just how vitriolic the fandom has gotten, but the drama has always been with us.

But how will I like it if I haven't read it? And what if I'm a critic and was given a job to critique that certain thing? Or what if I'm reading/watching for a reason other than the story/animation/action.. etc.?

Yes but some are illegal or morally wrong like in fnaf people ship William and glitch trap which is just William’s soul so that’s morally wrong and probably ileagle and micheal x ennard which is micheal dating his murderer that is a animatronic mix of multiple animatronics which includes his sisters soul but the change up the ships as glitch trap being Williams fan made brother which is still illegal or morally wrong and to change it to make the Michael ship correct is by making it not a mix and just having it as a random scraped animatronic and have it were the animatronic doesn’t have his sisters soul and adds a fan made soul most of the time called Noah witch is of correct age and Michael is a walking corpse so this series isn’t made for shipping after all the insanity begins

@@fourrouge3471 If the ship is morally wrong, of course call it out. But don't use that bad ship as a scapegoat to shame others and generalize every ship as bad. Anti-shipping and toxic shipping are in the same boat.

@@fourrouge3471 I don't care what people ship end of day they're are fictional as long they're don't force they ship on people through pressure writers and ship real people.

@@fourrouge3471 Simple. Don't eat the dead dove. Leave it for whatever weirdos like dead doves, and continue about your day. Block it if it bothers you that much. Because believe it or not, you don't have to go on a moral crusade over five nights at freddy's shipping.

I just re found this comment and apparently I wasn’t thinking correctly because this is just shoving anti shipping in someone’s face

The general idea of something be “XYZ coded” makes it to where you are flattening an entire character to one word If that’s not insulting the character itself then what is?

Considering the number of people that tell autistic people that can't actually be autistic because they can do simple things like "doing simple tasks" or "holding a conversation" shows how little people actually know about it. But considering what kind of awareness groups we got, it's amazing it's not worse.

Didnt she talk in the video about different interpretations not being wrong. Unless the character is explicitly stated to be neurodivergent theres really no issue with calling them “child coded”, because that’s just their interpretation of the character.

​@@nocturnis1900in case you missed it, its an interpretation that is often only made to construct a battering ram against others. It's posited as a fact that everyone simply knows. and insisted that those that don't agree with the interpretation are potential child predators

@@pandoratheclay that's not only insulting the character but the very writer of said character as well

Thank you Tennelle! TwT AAAA! And YES! I've got a white-knuckled grip on my current fandoms, but there have been times when I've really considered just...dropping everything like a hot potato. It can be so stressful. Hopefully someday we won't have to feel like we're walking on eggshells all the time. Until then, I'm sending good vibes and hot cocoa your way (and to anyone else who reads this comment and could use 'em).

TennelleFlowers like how most of Voltron fans make me weary

i vibe with your comment so much

I'd probably be interested in Avatar if the fanbase just wasn't so toxic it killed any interest I may of had in the series.

@@bretginn1419 no NO The avatar fanbase was toxic too? NOOO SAY IT AINT SO THIS HAS SPOILED MY EVENING

Because “the children” are and have always been used as a convenient cop-out trump card people pull to instantly justify whatever their personal opinion is, no matter how flimsy the logic. If their argument doesn’t have much going for it & they don’t want to bruise their fragile ego by being proven wrong, this kind of person will exploit “protecting the kids” as much as possible, because that way they figure they CAN’T be in the wrong. After all, that means that anyone who disagrees hates kids, and only a complete monster hates kids! /s

Yup.... i guess

Notice how most of the people who make that argument either don't have children or have little to no experience with them

@@ggudjsgaming5650 your friend is probably (not sure, maybe) a bully

@aquamarine ancient soul Not exactly. Yes they're PART of the problem, but they're not the sole problem.

And you're not for not liking a show with representation! Like, I really like She-Ra but my mom doesn't, and that doesn't mean one of us has to be wrong

I said I disliked teh chelley ship and bluesy wasn't my thing..... All of a sudden I'm a fuckin fraud and an outcast True story I was on omegle with the tag portal 2 not expecting anyone since portal is practically gone (insert sad recorder) but I found someone, they immediately ask 'whats your view on portals stuff?' Which if ya didn't know.... is pretty bland other than the human wheatley designs even the the older ones are better and everything is chelley and blue sky, so I replied along the lines of 'blue sky's okay not my thing thing since i don't really like the ship chelley but teh games good and i really like Nqn' (a very popular artist in the portal community) and they go off on how im not a true fan im a fraud and a terrible person and I disconnected.... happy times....

Your not. You just dont like the show. I ADORE the show but even I know that's ridiculous

The show is pretty good, but just because you don’t like a She-Ra doesn’t mean you’re homophobic. That’s like saying if someone doesn’t like Craig of the Creek that they’re racist.

@@autumnnal or it's like saying if you don't like Black Panther, you're a racist.... oh wait that actually happened anyway.

I know right. Shipping actual people is creepy.

Look no further than Septiplier, not only are they shipping two real people but these two people already have partners.

Mcyt ships.... Unless it's a joke ship I'm ok

Watch out for the Dan and Phil fandom lol

A big problem in the SPN fandom unfortunately :/ its pretty gross that they'd disrespect misha and jensen like that.

poodle on my noodle I love this

Scooter ankle is horrible. I’m so sorry

man, as someone who generally rolls in anime circles the idea of people getting that upset over a character just being child "coded" is fucking wild. I'm not saying that people taking anime's sexualization of kids (or characters who look and act like kids but are *totally* 800 years old) in stride is a good thing, I'm just saying boy does the general fandom not care at all.

I thought there was a post from the creators about her being autistic which would make the assertion of her being 'child-coded' offensive in and of itself.

For me it's toe chair leg.

Have you ever heard of the SMG4 fandom?

@@empoleon7750 Oh God no don't remind me of thst

Sorry. But you can see the similarities, right? I may not watch Voltron, but I have heard all the talk about shipping-related disputes. And what I know is that both fandoms really do have a startling penchant for making up pedophilia problems.

my first thought

200th like

big fat agree! and we need more of the reverse as well in my opinion[warning: very long paragraph]: if you like a thing, and the creator/s of that thing did something discriminatory or in bad taste, it doesn't reflect the quality of the thing they created. Boycotting a piece of media just because of something "problematic" the creator did is a mega waste of time and energy. I understand the feeling of betrayal one can get when their perfect view of a creator is tarnished. However, it isn't a cause to shaft them as a creator or say their contributions have lost their meaning. Someone's ability to write, compose, animate, or program is a totally separate can of worms than how good of a person they are morally. this also touches on the "safe space" segment of the video. If you see anything mildly different from your opinion and deem it immoral, all you're doing is upholding an unrealistic standard of a community that is fundamentally flawed. and every fandom, toxic or not, is fundamentally egotistical because it relies on self-indulgence above all else. you can never have a 100% clean and shiny fanbase or creator, much less a 100% kind and clever person behind the veil.

Exactly! I see a lot of people in the comments going "but,, but what if a ship is immoral and evil and bad!!!" like. did you miss the whole video?? please scroll up and hit play. if a ship bothers you, just leave it be. don't use it as an excuse to vilify and attack actual human beings over fictional characters kissing or w/e. I promise it's not as horrible and dangerous as you think it is

I think of it like food, I hate fast food for many reasons, it's bad for you, a lot of fast food companies arnt in my opinion moral (overworking children) ect So I don't eat fast food, and if other people want to eat fast food they are more than welcome to.

@@peeblekitty5780 The only time the ship is ever incorrect is if the creator canonically says the ship is not what it is. But if there’s no canonical proof then ship all you want.

@@doggoadexx2680 I mean, creator's word holds different weight to different people. Folks may interpret the original work differently. Good old death of the author. Not to mention there are cases where the creator claims something about the work that is unsupported or even can be proven false by what's actually in the text, at which point what is canon when employing Word of God is less than clear. Though, all that's besides my initial point: whether or not a ship is accurate to canon or morally pretty has no bearing on whether the person shipping them is a Bad Person Actually, and not something to attack people over.

Thats called being mature!😆 its just sets better, I do it too!!

⁠@@forzenfukuroanimations you’re going to be surprised by how few people know how to be like that

i enjoyed the sloth look, fits well with the overall theme of the video

"There's a common thread here and it's comfort" *sits very uncomfortably*

I disagree completely. As someone who regularly finds myself positioned uncomfortably on chairs, I loved this representation and your discomfort makes me uncomfortable. Thus you’re morally wrong.

You are both wrong and stupid. As a chair stander, I am offended that you would even think of using a chair in such an unholy way. Standing is the only way to go; it's my way or the highway.

All of you are wrong... CHAIRS.ARE.BEDS.

In their defense a LOT of people don't even bother tagging it as NSFW, or adding the 🔞/18+ emoji. Most of the time it gets shoved in their faces whether they wanna see it or not. Not saying people aren't allowed to make NSFW of course, that's their thing. But most of them can't be bothered to warn people and *that's* what pisses the kiddos off.

@@izzy1356 I can understand being uncomfortable and angry whenever I see something I don't like but demanding creators to off themselves is an overreaction that needs to stop. Harrassment is NOT the answer in that situation. Blocking and walking away is.

My life motto.

What? What happened?

@ANGELMANCY :(

If the artist was re drawing 80s Mermista then wasn't she white correct me if wrong.

@ANGELMANCY excuse me *what*

Twitter is fucked. This is why I stay on my Scratch and Sketchers United. Their small and targeted toward my age.

Sadly this is relatable haha

Indeed, relatable. I was in the Undertale fandom and once accidentally said, that a female character who's a gay would (if she wasn't gay)make a cute couple with another guy. Yeah, I was called a homophob for weeks after that.

Yeah that’s why I don’t share any of my presences. Mostly since it’s not the main in most fandoms

The reason I almost never watch any show in the universe ever.

@@milkbeforecereal7064 You can watch a show without being involved in the fandom

,,, Toin coss?

@@ladylaurel5941 50/50 wheter you get the guy that will accept your interpretation or one that will not

Eezel Draco *Coin Toss

@@theghostinthemirror8158 ... I think I should see an eye doctor since I thought that was "coin toss"... twice

@@d-chan4357 Same, I was like "why are you correcting him?", And then I looked at it again and felt stupid.

my exact thoughts when they said that

@@hh-uk8hd same

This has something to do with Trump, isn't it?

@@anneoneal3865 no it has to with covid. I thought the anti-Trump crowd considered themselves to be smart?

*checks back in 2021* hehe ahaha uhhhh,,, yeah. (it's still pretty incredible how well this video holds up though, even in an ironic "you've got a big storm comin'" way. it's also interesting looking back on some of the media i was into at the time and how the way i look at art and authorial intent has changed. i may not have been involved in fandom in 2019, or now even, but these fandoms were still incredibly formative for me, if only as an example of what not to do.)

What gets me is all the people talking about the behaviors in "toxic" (terrible overused word for the record) fandoms as if they're something new, and/or unique to fandoms. They're really not, this shitty behavior has existed within every possible grouping of human beings since the dawn of time. One of the most classic examples is religious attitudes towards orthodox versus unorthodox beliefs. "This is the only true interpretation of the Bible and if you disagree, you're not a REAL Christian and you will burn in hell!" is really NOT that far off from "This is the only true interpretation of these fictional characters and if you disagree, you're not a REAL fan and you should kill yourself!", if you really think about it. Humans just fundamentally suck.

@TheThrashyOne Pretty much what I was thinking throughout the whole video. Hell, there've been psychological, neurological, societal, historical, and even archaeological studies out the wazoo that go into bad human behavior, along with other high intelligent species such as dolphins. There's probably buttloads of research that could go into toxic community/fandom actions, but I doubt that people would have the patience to go into a bunch of scientific journals and methods on that...

I think back to when fandoms themselves are political and depending on which side you’re on they won’t be very willing to take you in.

Sometimes things are factually incorrect though

ghostchilie like incest

Ice Heart and rape

Things like rape and incest aren't 'factually wrong' though? I think you guys are mixing up factually with morally. The video explains why there's nothing wrong with people exploring those themes, and for many people who've suffered those sorts of traumas (like myself), fanworks like that are helping to deal with our trauma...

@@MK-ophelia i am sorry for you i hope your life is now better😢🤧😞🤲🥺❤

exactly we should all do the same

Same

The US has very black and white laws about what is and isn't appropriate for people under 18, because the US tends to have very black and white, right and wrong ideas around sexuality as a whole. The person creating the content tends to be held responsible for allowing their content be accessed by people who shouldn't have been looking it up in the first place. (Even if it's educational. Sex education in US schools is also unheard of or of poor quality when it exists.) I'm asexual and sex indifferent and because of this paranoia and black and white, right and wrong thinking found all across the internet, I avoid striking up platonic friendships with anyone younger than 24. Turning 27 made me acutely aware of how people in my age group might perceive me. US culture sexualizes everything while also simultaneously sexually vilifying everything.

Those kind of people probably ship leo x karai (who are related)

THIS. I used to be in a discord group that had this mentality for a couple years in high school, and it was so bad that when my friendship with them ended it was partially because of this. I had turned 18 LITERALLY a month or two before, and I was explaining to what was normally a very LGBT-friendly group that I was bisexual homoromantic and just called myself a lesbian to simplify… I guess they felt threatened and were pressuring me to explain it. I was being vague about it because most of them were 16 or 17 and I was just TERRIFIED to explain how it worked since, y'know, it involves things to do with sex… I was 18, even though they were just my peers, I was terrified because suddenly they weren't my peers anymore. I was suddenly the adult, and I think those friendships at least partially ended because of the rigidness of the 18 line.

@@firefancy9928 and that too, the second part of what you said. My best friend who I've known for years is currently 17 while I'm 19… we met years ago back when we were both literally FNAF kids. I was 14 and she was 12… and it didn't matter back then, because we were both just FNAF kids and I liked her art. But since I turned 18 I've been nervous to be too overly public about how close we are… I can't wait until she turns 18 this fall just so it will be normal again. I've never had a single romantic interest in her… I literally just want her to be an adult too so I don't have to be afraid of people making assumptions anymore. People can be really quick to assume the worst.

@@CorinneStephens if it helps with something, not all places have laws as rigid as the US. For example in my country if you're in a relationship with someone under 18 as long as your age difference is less that 3 years nothing happens legally to you. Think they are called Romeo and Julliet laws .

Aidan Penn sketches yes

Anti shippers are just as bad.

@Lin Raggar I'm not sure I get what your trying to say? If you don't want to explain you don't have too just wanted to say that

@Lin Raggar I see. I can see your point, however I do not think Anti-Shipping is good or "Justified" in either scenario. Guilt by association is bad, and using the fact some shippers are Crazy to bash Shipping or Shippers in general only continues toxicity instead of stopping it

@@brianbrush5107 Tell that to the RWBY fandom, the bleach fandom, The Naruto fandom and the fire emblem fandom when they don't get their ships canon

@@ImmaLittlePip The issue is individuals. Not shippers in general

Exactly. That first one you said happened with Catra in the she-ra fandom too. Sometimes antis take it so personally they make whole blogs dedicated to hating a character or a ship, it's insane.

I am one of those people - at least, up until “A Single Pale Rose” at which point I just rolled my eyes because the way they shoved the plot twist felt more like a last minute retcon… But it’s still valid for people to see her character a different way.

When did that happen? For as long as I known different arguments have been categorized to 2 different types, civil and scream matches. In a world without consequences like the internet you see more of the latter than the former.

@@trainerrichard6859 This was back in the glory days of the internet known as 10+ years ago

@@sunnydeechi I would've been 8 and I still remember the internet being a wasteland of trolls and jerks.

@@trainerrichard6859 I'm not referring to trolls or jerks on the internet, what I'm referring to is when if you saw something you didnt like, most people wouldnt go out of their way to make a stupid callout post against that someone or thing they didnt like, they would mostly ignore it lmao

@@sunnydeechi Ten Years Ago Is 2009

I'm here wondering how in the hell this person jumped to this many stupid conclusions with I suppose little to no context.

That’s a problem with me too. My fans on a story I make on Wattpad called The Star Covers want two of my characters in a lesbian relationship and I said that they were not going to be together and they thought I was homophobic but I’m not. Also I putted my favourite band Kiss in the story and they are like 40 years maybe older than the main characters because they are 10-11 when the series started and they are 14-15 this year but they want me to do some things with them and I can’t believe it!

bejjinks wow. Um I’m shocked

Rae Droid you’ll have to ban them or s

Wow I guess I should just delete every single exposition scene where my adult characters are children.

wow...omg i am so sorry that happened to you! they overreacted. it's completely ok if you don't ship something, that's your opinion.

Yoo wtf... that's so messed up. All you did was compliment that person's work. If anything, that should be a MAJOR compliment, the fact that you enjoyed the art piece despite it not being your favorite ship. Hell, I know I would be honored to recieve a comment like that on ANYTHING I made. That's a top-tier compliment imho. Now that you mention it though, I remember seeing artists on Tumblr ranting about "I don't ship it but I like it" comments. They were whinging over how "its offensive cause you're like,, invalidating my ship" which is obviously not true. It was one of the stupidest things Tumblr has ever complained about, a freaking COMPLIMENT. One of the many reasons I've left that godforesaken site. Anyways I'm so sorry that happened to you, people can be such assholes and don't think about what they say before saying it. I hope you're doing better now, or at least better compared to then.

@@mcflurryfrostie You just made my day, thank you so much!

Bruh I was accused of being a racist homophobic pedophile for shipping these two ADULT MEN and making a fanart of them. Like bruh wtf. They kept tagging one of them as transgender (even though canonically he isn't but I don't really care if they make him trans) but damn they were mad I drew him in a gay ship with a dude. Like fuck calm down.

That's horrible! They're the worst. You are precious and beautiful, not everyone is able to cheer on an artist that focuses on a ship they don't like. Also, from an artist's heart, please keep leaving nice comments on people's art. It really makes our day and of this one can't appreciate it, too bad for him 💙💙💙

Prime example: Lily Orchard's Steven Universe video.

@@rozzbourn Indeed.

An example: Loki from marvel

Bakugou fans vs Bakugou haters in a nutshell (my hero acadmeia for the people who don't know)

@@wizardsandmuggles3569 I know from experience that it works the other way around as well. "I don't like Bakugo because I don't think his development has been adequate enough to make up for the stuff he's done." "BUT YOU _HAVE_ TO LOVE HIM! HE WAS SAD ONCE AND HE ALSO HAD A BAD CHILDHOOD! LOVE HIM! LOVE HIM AND FORGIVE HIM RIGHT NOW OR ELSE! OPINIONS THAT ARE DIFFERENT FROM OURS ARE AUTOMATICALLY BAD!"

No those are people who somehow couldn't adapt to a maybe worse situation than before and decided to be a psychopath from that day on because "I didn't know my life would get worse"

It's the issue of people wanting a win. Because you're right, it doesn't matter. At all. That's why it's fought over because people want something they feel they control or can win at. It's why people get really pissed over small things and ignore the big ones. They want a battle they feel is winnable because the big ones don't feel that way. This is the crux of cancel culture. Attack something small you think you can control and influence, because giant corporations sure don't care. Political groups don't care. But that one person who drew some fetish porn over something ? Tear them a new one, especially if they are a small creator. Either because it's redirection or people get a bee in their bonnet over because it is fictional and not hurting anyone (beyond maybe wanting eye-bleach) it's attackable. No consequences, no real stakes. Except to make someone feel terrible which is the entire goal. Not for actual change or helping anyone. Just gratification over making someone feel shitty because the real people doing truly shitty harmful things, they're generally untouchable.

Exactly. I know that whatever I see, it's my fault for not being responsible. The person who posted the thing definitely didn't intend kids to see it. And most of the time, it's not even that bad, but that may just be me.

Children is a vague term relating to intelligence If you are a child You can be innocent and stupid Or you can be the direct opposite Either way. It’s a broad term

While we do need some "protect the children" culture, most of it isn't what we need. Making sure you guys don't see the naked figure from figure drawing studies done by artists like Rembrandt is not a problem. Making sure you guys don't see nitty gritty politics or moral outlooks is not a problem. You guys need to experience things to formulate your hobbies and opinions. The things that "protect the children" should be about is making sure you know the red flags of a child predator, and how to keep yourself out of compromising positions. A kid taking a naked picture of themselves for some online partner is not ok, regardless of what massive parts of the furry community would have you believe, because it still counts as child pornography and not only is the person receiving capable of getting in legal trouble, but so are you. Even if they're another kid, it's still consumption and production of child porn. But some communities don't treat it as a bad thing, and it absolutely should be. It puts you at risk of having your pictures leaked, of getting legal trouble, of getting your friend/partner in trouble, and so on. And it's not just about saying "this is bad, don't do it" but giving you the tools to know it for yourself. When I was young spending my time on the internet, I ran across Onisions channel, and because I didn't have any idea what gaslighting and inappropriate behavior in general was, I actually kept watching him. The whole scandal with him rating underage girls bodies on his forum? I watched those videos as a kid- maybe 11-12 years old, and an impressionable girl. It scares the shit out of me because I recall being sad that I couldn't put my pictures up there because I didn't own a phone. Kids aren't dumb, but they are a bit naive. I shouldn't have been told, "don't do this because it's bad" (and I clearly wasn't because I got into Onisions shit), but instead "here are some red flags and what these actions/conversations generally mean. Here's how to look out for a bad person by keeping an eye out for gaslighting, etc." I could've recognized that was a creator I wanted nothing to do with if O'd had those skills already developed or at least encouraged. I didn't until I started to get into more political circles, because I needed to know the terminology to explain political behavior and action that I didn't like. I would never have known better were it not for those circles, because my parents and my school never went over anything like that. I was a smart kid, in honors classes and so on. But kids need to learn critical thinking skills on the plane of social interaction more than anything, and not every child does until it's too late. That's why it is important that your social circles are polices a little bit by people who are older. I wish my parents had kept an eye on me, because I could've destroyed my life over a couple pictures sent to a deranged child predators forum before I ever knew he was a bad person. The things people police you over are useless- nude figure art, hobbies others find strange. None of that is what's important, and you're right that it is stupid. You can navigate what you do and don't like based on your own personality and ideas just fine. But there is cause to watch what you're doing in terms of other people, and that's not completely idiotic, because older people can manipulate you. Will they always? Of course not. The same time I was watching Onisions, I was also watching genuinely kind creators like Markiplier. But I couldn't differentiate for myself and it's almost a certainty that most kids, just like myself, have some blind spots too. Not every precaution is to ruin your life- some are legitimately necessary. Make sure you're talking to people you trust about the circles you are in- it'll save you grief later.

For the third time in this reply section so far, exactly. I'm out here writing small essays and shit in the comments section of videos like this, and I go around on the internet looking for weird fucked up shit as a hobby, yet no matter what there never ceases to be somebody advocating for internet censorship, as if you could even do that in the first place. To be fair, I'm 16 at the time of writing, but according to them it's 18+ or GTFO anyway.

depends how old you are tbh.

They are either not aware of it, or are aware but are so ableist in their endless journey of being the most woke little fuckstick in the basket that they legitimately believe that autistic people are children and should be treated as such. It's not like as if autistic people have any agency, right gals?

Grandma Tempo that seems to be the case with certain people. Like I'm autistic and when I've heard of the theory, I was like "huh, that's cool" and saw the symptoms that match Entrapta's standard behaviour. It's sad really how fandoms can be so toxic for others.

Stop calling people autistic just because they're cringy it's lewd towards the ASD community

They don't care...these people think that because a character acts childish or has a mind of a child despite being older and or legally mature in body that that is akin to pedophilia if they have romantic connections...which is not the case.

Excuse me, English is my second language, so what means ,,child coded'' Please tell me . I love She ra and Entrapta is my favorite character.

Dammm Why you out here saying my life secrets?

Ackchually... what you're describing is asocial behaviour, not anti-social. From wikipedia "Asociality refers to the lack of motivation to engage in social interaction, or a preference for solitary activities", and "Anti-social behaviours are actions that harm or lack consideration for the well-being of others".

But this is how I live.

How about. You can be a fan but stay the hell away from other fans.

I don’t do communities though and if people like/dislike agree/disagree with somebody on that media, I look at it and just entertain myself. It’s not worth getting angry about, especially since there is more things to worry about

If you ask me, I think that part's rooted in ableism. Entrapta is written to be autistic, and autistic adults tend to be seen as childish by those who don't have it due to said autistic adults being "eccentric". Calling Entrapta "child-coded" is basically a red flag. Entrapta, even if she's not appealing to everyone, is that one character who doesn't have a single thing to dislike about her, but there's people who hate her anyway *just* for her being herself.

Realizing it's a year-old comment, but I wonder sometimes if the people describing autistic/autistic-esque characters as 'child-coded' (and thus off-limits for any shipping whatsoever) realize that same infantilizing argument is used to argue against letting autistic people - often including adults - control what happens to their bodies when it comes to things like abortion and gender-related HRT/surgeries. Painting entire and often quite diverse groups of people as needing special protection can backfire, undermining those groups' attempts to protect their own rights in the real world.

period! i agree so hard.

And not feel bad about having these entertaining fantasies.

That's the thing about porn, really: there are plenty of people who don't like it, and it's not exactly hard to understand why that is. But just because they dislike it doesn't mean it's bad; it's very similar to swearing, actually: a friend of mine doesn't like when people swear, and because he doesn't understand, he thinks that swearing is inherently "bad". He even complained once about someone swearing in a text that clearly was NOT meant to be sent to him, so there was really no reason for him to get upset about it, but that's besides the point. Both porn and swearing are things that make certain people uncomfortable, but some people are too stupid to realize that this doesn't automatically make these things bad.

I agree

I had arguments about that topic with others. I asked them "do you believe videogames cause violence?" then they answered "no, that is different". Bunch of idiots.

Coding is a real literary term but given the whole "lots of big-name fans don't understand literature" thing it gets misused! Garnet certainly has traits of a black stereotype (which is all coding really means) but that's only one interpretation of her! another fan might say "well, she's a rock from space so she doesn't have a race" or "physically being dark-skinned doesn't mean as much as cultural background".

@@EuphemiaRem That's exactly the problem. In the fandom era "don't like, don't read", dramas were not uncommon but tuned down and between like four people. You could spout all you headcanons into the world because you'd find at least someone that though the same. In the current era of "only this [theory] is the acceptable one", if the dominant theory is that Garnet is coded, you'll be named all kind of names if you say that you interpreted her character diferently. It's sad really.

The "children" thing is a trend in itself. Many corners of the internet are obsessed with telling people which age differences between LEGAL ADULTS are okay and which apparently aren't.

@@Alias_Anybody This! I recently actually left tumblr and my Ask Batgirl blog because A friend and I decided that we would put Killer Moth and Batgirl together. Despite the fact she was an adult, and the age difference was about 11 years at the most, I got harassed and told that it was gross, made them uncomfortable, and that they were going to report me and my friend. We had to end the rp relationship, and I left tumblr. The pedo label was thrown Moth's way, but only in questions to me. My friend received nothing. I was the only one who got harassed. So I left the DC askverse.

@@Denabella It's even worse when it involves real people.

The issue for me isn't wanting attention(I've always been one to say that wanting and doing things to get attention is NOT a bad thing) The issue is that, these people geniunly believe in their simplistic view of things. When it's pointed out their not real and this is fiction they pull the "Fiction impacts reality!" Card.

From what I'm seeing, most of the toxicity in the shipping in particular revolves around people calling out things are not factual with their logic or reason. Specifically like when people called Sheith "abusive" and/or "pedophilia". Not only it doesn't make sense when you think about the definition and the actual thing itself, importantly it show how closed-minded people are when it comes to the internet. Like of course there will be people who think of this way, but they have to deal since that's the cost of freedom on the internet. Edit: like the video said, fandom isn't a safe space especially if they active on the internet people will inevitably find nasty stuff on the internet like porn.

It's SIMPLE, if u see an inappropriate pic, dont scream, "DONT LOOK AT IT!" That just draws more attention to it. JUST.AVOID. IT. There u go, it's simple

I couldn't agree more whenever I see people harassing others online I feel like they're actually just trying to fit into the community themselves by calling out another person they're making themselves look better in the eyes of the community of that they are trying to be accepted in

It's a psychological fact that people who are quick to attack things like that are quite guilty of it themselves. This doesn't just reflect lewd art, but to a plethora of things. They just do it to prove that they are not like that, even when no one suspected a thing in the first place.

Ironic considering what happened later in the series...

Does anyone know if she's okay now? I feel really bad for her...

Is she okay? Plz I hope she's okay

And it was Tumblr that did it. Tumblr culture is out of fucking control. They're 4Chan for white 20-something Liberal college women who want to feel spesho and appropriate social justice to be about them.

i'm glad i felt bad about watching su as a kid.....

What if it's bdsm?

@@dianak8656 as long that it dosent hurt annyone

but it still hurts that others are hurting and should know better ...(yeah if its not physical/mental/intended .. then ok.)

I've noticed a trend among these "what ifs" that seem to have negated my last point. Ask yourself one question, in these situations; "can I click away without anyone even knowing I was here and/or bothered?" If the answer is yes, do that. Don't start a shitstorm if you can click away and go about your business.

I now look for red flags! lol. sometimes I didn't think something would be as disturbing as what it would be (for me) , I like extreme entertainment .. but some things are a big line of taste for me .. (so yes I can now chose not to click on something) ive learnt that "what if " doesn't matter ! lol. .. but a year ago it felt like someone making an evil fan fic should be in jail!! lol. but I now know its only fantasy . ..(but there have been cases where someone wrote a evil fan fic then actually did crime! ) but that's a 1%... maybe some fantasy's are better left in peoples heads .. or in their room privately .. its way better if there is a "you must be 18" warning just to ive people a fighting chance to be able to click away!!. lol.

Good thing that was like 2 years ago. But now we have Spinel x Steven shippers vs the people who think it’s pedophilia (or people who are aggressively loyal to Connie x Steven)

Elokin I dunno why you can’t just ship what you want, just so you don’t hurt anybody

WTF IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE?

• Sunshine • some people say that it’s pedophilia bc spinel is literally thousands of years older than Steven, but some people do stuff based on a gem’s mental age since they’re immortal and stuff

I read a post on tumblr saying fatphobia isn't a thing, it's just a made up thing by snowflakes so they can have a "reason" to get triggered over. I WORSHIP THAT POST SO MUCH

That's so real, I personally don't ship Entrapta with anyone, just because. I personally don't see Entrapta being with anyone else, but you don't see me slamming people with similar opinions to you🤷

Filtering is such an awesome thing. It's a shame that it's mainly porn sites that are actually good at doing it and usually have vast systems so you can find what you want and specifically what you do NOT want. More sites need to have better filters for people dealing with trauma to be able to either expose at their own pace (if they're doing CBT and PTSD training) or not at all, because some things just need to be avoided for a variety of reasons.

I misread the first question as "Is an 18 year old an aunt?" and I was really curious where you were going to go with it.

18 or not,shipping cartoons characters is cringe

@@giorgio_8013 see, this is the kind of behaviour that's part of the problem

@@lionrence not really, he's not wrong... any form of shipping is pretty cringe, because the shippers then tend to focus on that one aspect of hoping those characters get together, that they forget there's an actual story being told outside of that relationship. Let the writers decide the direction of the show, not idiots that think 2 people would be good together.

i think the issue is that shiro adopted keith with his fiancé when keith was a child. that's the problem

@Sorendoodle oh a few months ago it was full of drama regarding cat's appearance, and a few youtubers who got chased off the internet

@@EarlyOwOwl yeah, because those youtubers did some pretty bad things to people, im glad we (sorta) got them out of the fandom

One thing I have ask though... Wasn't the fact that the Warriors weren't spayed or Neutered a fairly major plot point in the first book?

@@firekram main character didn't want to have his balls removed so he went to join a religious cult in the forest

The Warriors fandom is still alive? I remember reading those in fucking middle school, holy shit.

Aw, that's sweet. I don't personally think those kinds of comments are that troubling tho, as long as they don't involve harrasing people for not doing so.

@@pearlyp9898 oh ok

Also as a representative, don't join the fandom, because it's a cesspool. If you like Josuhan or Giomis you will be shot on site even though the former has Josuke in an canon adult appearance in the OVA iirc and the latter is a 3 year age gap between a 15 yr old and an 18 yr old, the equivalent of a sophmore dating a senior. But you know.

@@slightlyuncomfortable why ship in jojo...

nah that's hilarious. I don't do it myself but i love seeing boomers getting mad that people can't appreciate "true culture" and only watch "silly japanese cartoons for losers" It's hilarious.

Which makes it more pitiful... If you're that mentally/emotionally fragile, talk to a professional in the real world.

That’s actually true to the Omori fandom 😃

EXACTLY.

Gotta love all the comments in this video that are 100% proving your point, lol.

This tea is indeed exceptionally good 🍵

change the salt to dirt

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Mood

That's not the entire issue. I've seen plenty of pro-shippers who say they are free speech rapidly turn on one another if they suspect someone is 'racist' or 'Nazi'. Not to mention they will *openly defend* CP, lolicon and shotacon and even the worst rape fics without a smidgen of criticism. If I think a ship is gross, I read the fic/view the work and see what's 'gross' about it. If there are grounds for criticism, I go for it.

I had a woman harass me on two different social media platforms (she found me on Twitter after the argument first broke out on Tumblr somehow), for several days. Several days of messages insulting me and calling me a monster. The reason? I made a post saying all ships are valid, that sending harassment/death threats over ships isn't good, and you shouldn't attack creators for not making your ship canon. That canon doesn't mean your alternate fanfic universe can't exist. She insisted that by me accepting that another ship in conflict with her own was valid, I was insulting her, was homophobic, somehow sexist and racist and any other ist she could throw at me. She wanted her ship to be the only valid one and she maintained that she should get to harass and send death threats to others because they don't have the true progressive morally superior ship.

@@IceFireofVoid Sounds like true fandom discourse. They don't want people to be threatened, yet I've seen them advocate violence towards TERFs.

Listening to shippers is like listening to flat earthers, the amount of disprovable logic, and blatant distortions of what most people believe as facts, can make shippers vary aggressive, and the only people willing to interact with them are other shippers and/or people telling them that they are wrong. It's not that everyone is against them, it's that that only alcoholics and anti alcohol activists are willing to sleep in a bar's parking lot. Everyone else just moves on and goes unnoticed by the two.

@hey beans *COUGH* Jelsa *COUGH*

Well put! And it applies to non-sexual stuff too. I like drawing, writing, and watching/reading characters dealing with pain and trauma. I find it interesting and gratifying when done well, and I get whumperflies from it sometimes. But just because I hurt and traumatize the shit out of my characters doesn't mean I'd wish any of it on real people. The same applies for.. pretty much anything deemed problematic in fandom. I mean hell, books have had 'problematic' content in them for centuries yet fanfic is held to this weird standard of purity for some reason, especially when it comes to shipping. Where are we to explore dark or taboo subjects if not in fiction?

@@peeblekitty5780 apparently you don’t explore dark or taboo subjects, according to some

I couldn’t fathom what actually makes blood so attractive, but I still browse the stuff you see on the likes of r/eyeblech because gore and the macabre are just interesting to look at and maybe just a little to appreciate how fragile people are

Admitting to sexual attraction to anything outside of social norm (which oh man has that changed every century, I'll tell you what) triggers people in a way other things just don't. I think society is very anti-sex honestly. Anti education, anti expression, anti human bodies. Which also inversely creates this obsession towards it too. Want what you're told you shouldn't have kind of thing. I'm the same. I'm also into some fairly niche stuff, but it happening in real life and/or with out consent? Hell to the nah. You can like the idea of surviving a zombie apocalypses or imagining yourself as the smart one in a horror movie and never EVER want to be in either of those situations for real. Fantasy is fantasy. Roleplay (sexual or convention or just for fun) is about engaging in that fantasy in a safe space. That's what all human exploration of story telling, emotions and imagined scenarios are. They can be used to interpret trauma, they can be a sexual turn on and they can be healthy. So long as no one is being hurt. That's the whole freaking point. It's why I am so fascinated by BDSM community. The amount of trust and communication and a huge massive focus on consent and safety being the core part of it all. Not even sports gets the kind of treatment and consideration lots of practices of BDSM actually do and they're at higher risk for death and injury by comparison. Lots of kids and adults who've gotten terribly injured in sports, yet people aren't trigged by that, even though it's also about getting in close physical contact with risk for bodily harm for bonding between people. There's also a psychological reason for any kink/fetish and most of them are set in childhood. I'd find it endlessly hilarious if the reason there seem to be more deviants now is due to sheltered parenting and making instances of violence or sexual taboo impact that much harder on the psyche, thereby creating a fascination to it. Not that kinks and fetishes have to come from dark places. Humans are weird creatures. A lot of sexual normalcy is in itself weird by evolution/natures standard of procreation being the point, yet it's so common place most people don't care anymore. Like oral is a great example and was once demonized outright in all directions. I've read a lot on the subject and from the science I've been able to find, there doesn't seem to be a negative correlation to having kinks/fetishes and mental well being, if anything in some cases it was actually helpful for that very concern.

That is very true. I have become friends with people on google+ in the dragon ball communities and we made a discord together.

This is very much true with life in general too, as there are plenty of bad parts in the world but it's best to balance that out with good parts (and one of them is definitely finding a good group of friends without needing to please whole crowds of people)! 🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩

yea i have some pretty close friends and i just talk with them and post my stuff sometimes

Undertale_artist girl just idk do stuff it’s like how I got into the hetalia fandom. I was just there.

This is pretty much exactly the route I ended up going. I stick to small Discord groups with friends who share common interests (and are at least non-judgmental about interests they don't happen to share) rather than going out of my way to interact with large swaths of the fandoms via forums and Twitter and whatnot, since all I ever seem to encounter is the exact type of bullshit described in this video. Small groups of friends may _seem_ more "safe spacey" to some, but in reality, you're simply far less likely to get into really stupid fandom flamewars with smaller groups of friends. Friends with whom you can have civil disagreements because, well...you're _friends._ lol

_Laughs in bnha_

Reasons why I don't like to watch a lot of animation shows don't with other people who either already know the show or are on the fandom side of the show.

People take children's shows way too seriously these days. It's either the best thing ever that causes a toxic fandom filled with ships or "the worst" thing that every adult cartoon reviewer rants about for 3+ hours because of nostalgia blindness, like Peppa Pig

My sister loves Cookie Run

wth THERE IS A TOXIC FANDOM OF COOKIE RUN?!(8 good thing i was impatient for the download to complete lmao well... i did try to download it cause of my nice online friends dkjddj

I do agree with this but I have seen someone saying that people harassing others because something they be so ashamed that they become normal or something but since this was before I had a account I really wanted to comment something under lines of "Oh when has that work/Yep harassing people will work I mean look at CWC someone who gotten harassed over a strange comic series there completely perfectly normal" I might go find comment someday but I feel like the entire comment chain turned into a hellhole for obvious reasons.

So true. This was so validating and comforting to read. Thank you.

it's literally the same behaviour witchhunters had in the past.

The paradox of social regulation in a tribe that is literally billions in number. Shame doesn't work as well as people think it does, because there are enough people in the world to agree with you, whether you are right or you are wrong or maybe neither. Justice is just revenge. People don't want to actually fix a problem, they wanna be angry at it and make it suffer. There is a great video by CGP Grey on why anger is addictive.

@@vixxcelacea2778 Exactly, if the majority in a tribe agrees on something, that doesn't mean it's the good choice. To put a more serious example, for all we know the "right" thing they decided was sacrificing an innocent child, and they all agreed to it because of a superstition. What they did was actually VERY wrong and horrifying, but since there wasn't an equally big or larger number of people telling them this, to them it's a good thing to do. Justice is always good untill a stronger and more convincing power comes up and says that it isn't

i....what- i don't usually leave a comment but what the hell...when did ppl think liking Draco was weird/bad/whatever?, i thought he was the shit...HP isn't my thing but isn't he one of the characters ppl obsessed over??

@@-404notfound-74I feel like that story is not true because Draco is a likeabal character in the Harry Potter fandom I think what he is trying to say is that Harry Potter fans went ape shit on twitter about a post jk Rowling made about transgender people

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I mean you can try to send it to people by hand

Just run around chucking phones with this video playing at people the next time you go to Mcdonalds. The cops will love that so much they'll take you into there office and give you cookies. They put you in there cheap hotel while they bake the cookies tho

*you dont*

ButterflyColors Most of these points are biased anyways, there’s arguments for all of these things regardless (especially any form of child porn being bad), don’t let one person on either side dictate what you think, you dictate what you think. Just try to understand too sides instead of what you’re simply informed by others

I wouldn't call that Toxicity. Its just speculating stuff for fun, Wich they have every right to do Its if they force their theory onto others it becomes toxic.

@@brianbrush5107 i remember when i used the game theorist's fnaf theories as canon stuff

*The Roundtable intensifies*

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Or Plot: *shows minor inconvenience or a hole* That kind of fan: All of the writers and artists are idiots and should be lambasted on social media until they cry or quit.

Even in these comments people I think are seeing interactions with sexual content/dark content as black and white. Marking something and tagging something as 18+ isn’t going to magically remove minors and keep them from seeing content. Creators can do everything they can to make less accessible but teens aren’t idiots. They likely know how to make fake account with 18+ settings, they know they can lie online to consume what they want because they “are mature enough” by their standards. At the end of the day if people want to consume fandom content that isn’t make for them it’s going to happen but you know who can’t be blamed. The creators! If they are trying to limit their consumers to appropriate audiences that’s really all you can ask of them, because as much as we want parent to be involved and try to prevent kid/teens from seeing things often time neither party wants or can prevent it. Neglectful parents exist but so do teens who don’t want their parents involvement policing their online safety. In the age of the internet it’s really hard to manage things because accountability in these spaces is everything from all parties which purely doesn’t exist. You can see this is how protective people are with child coding adults and the willingness to harass, dox, and suicide bait people online is for multitude of reasons across a wide variety of age ranges teens and adults include. These issues aren’t black and white of just tagging settings and making sure the adults are the ones making everything safe, it’s a whole rainbow of making sure people understand internet etiquette, blocking/tagging/safety keeping content, personal accountability of not entering spaces not make for you, etc which isn’t easy and not going to happen any time soon

THANK YOUUUU for this comment. BIG MOOD!

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Hi OP here. Just to add, share your passions kindly and if they aren't on board, just let them be. Most of the time, those who won't get on board don't hate it, it's just they're busy, already into something and don't want to fixate (....me), or may not have the means to find out about it. Thank you 💖

Maybe not quite the same but as a game developer I kinda feel the same way. Having a small chill community of people who follow my work sounds a million times more appealing than being a massive success and attracting the worst kinds of people. My anxiety over it has gotten so bad that I've been trying to figure out a way to publish something 100% anonymously to avoid getting doxxed, cause if I was ever the target of mass harassment I probably wouldn't live through it.

Shaun Dreclin Same here, I’m legit terrified about what could happen if I ever made something that caught lots of people’s attention and getting doxxed cuz I didn’t make so so’s ship canon. It’s scary world out there on the internet.

As a writer, I'm right there with you. The idea of fame and success these days scares the ever loving hell out of me.

Agree, i can't imagine the level of stress when you find out your project/show/book have a terrible fandom, it must be like "i've create a monster"

@@tamaradelgado8254 Just like in Hermitcraft Minecraft Series... Grian and Mumbo Jumbo's fanbase are so toxic that they literally threathened FalseSymmetry that they will unsubbed to her channel if she run for 'mayor' they are doing this because Mumbo is running for mayor and they just want Mumbo to win by default. Grian and Mumbo seems like they're pretty nice people they actually tried to fix it but their fanbase is just- Sorry for bad english by the way..

In turn the positive response to this video (and comments like this one) have helped me keep my own insanity intact! Thanks for the support

She ra be like

p r e a c h

Yeah, currently a child, and that’s pretty much my experience now, I think I’ll be okay eventually

I think that being exposed to mature topics as a teenager made you more mature because it prepared you for real life

I knew what sex was when I was like 9 or 10

I knew what sex was when I was 7 or 8 because of the kids in my school and I didn’t care

Robert Simon but why are they toxic?

Sonic Xtreme99 Because they have no brains whatsoever. They're nothing but immature dumbasses who get mad over the littlest things.

@@robertsimon2885 that statement was ironic.

Chicken Stripz How?

@@robertsimon2885 By referring someone as a "dumbass who gets mad over the littlest things." You're becoming what you dislike. In doing so, it becomes ironic.

Wow i never thought it like that it all makes sense now damn i kinda scared now but am also amsued.

"Fan" came from "fanatic".

This even applies to Hatedoms. Who use guilt by association to shame those in the Fandom/are part of a religon

Toxic Fandoms are just a microcosm of religious disparity

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@Woodrow Pride you know America isn't the only state out there Also who is stupid shouldn't have access to media like you for example

@Woodrow Pride i meant to say the only state srry

@Woodrow Pride i don't think grammatic is an important subject here i'm just saying you're wrong stupid people should NOT use internet

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@ItsRxchel I'd argue that "technology rapidly happened, and people are still trying to process it". It's kinda like how the Industrial Revolution and the Enlightenment Era brought huge worldview changes as technology grew.

Good for you. Personally I ship Lapidot, this is how the internet shoud be I have my ship you have yours.

Not a shipper of any kind, but it’s what makes you happy. Im perfectly fine with that. Wish other people could have that same attitude.

Same. I think their friendship is kinda toxic and should've been written better

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@Bion Yeah 90% sounds about right.

SoulHero7 yep

gained one right here :)

better surround yourself wih sane good people instead of whiny brats.

People really cant respect opinions

Tbh that was a little rude

not rude enough to compare them to hitler though lmao???

Wth?

as a steven universe fan i agree with your sentiment so much

There are also certain media formats that draw people out that are more extreme. I like and consume Kpop. I know that the media machine that drives it encourages behavior that boarders on or goes full psychotic. I have a friend that draws insanely good fan art (Not exaggerating to be nice. They do super realistic color pencil portraits and have learned some Korean to be able to be apart of the community) and they agree that a lot of the machine that drives it explicitly encourages the toxicity. I have no doubt that there are a ton of fandoms in a similar boat, either the creator, the story, characters, subject matter, something about it is a bit hot button or possibly problematic to begin with (especially if it pertains to getting money from a younger crowd by sheer virtue of how the brain develops and forming social rules in those ages) so I generally don't engage directly.

Deku baby I myself was Anti-Shaladin but I never personally went out of my way to harass people over it

@@GabyGeorge1996 You mean it wasn't just me?! Thank heavens! It seemed like virtually everyone else in the VLD fandom who was critical of ships were complete a-holes! I felt very alone, knowing that I couldn't express any opposition to Sheith etc without people judging me.

Neverside Faerie Same here! Although I did and still do like some Shaladin ships like Shance and Shallura aged up, I had this not-good feeling with Sheith that I couldn’t post about since I was constantly hammered to be “positive” but it didn’t feel like it allowed my opinion in since I didn’t know if it was a toxic opinion to not like Sheith, even Plance for my reasons. I now still respect them as another fan, I do poke jokes and things ridiculous (like the socks for Voltron thing-) they do sometimes but not full blown harassment. I want to treat it like a discussion so people can take what I have to say seriously.

@@molinagrn65 I actually thought that Shiro and Allura were actually going to become a couple at one point! 😅

Neverside Faerie me too! I actually had so much faith that it would happened that I actually commissioned an artist to draw porn of them. My anger at the news that Shiro has a boyfriend was not directed at the fact that he was gay, but rather the fact that a pairing I’d sunk a 40 dollar commission into now had no chance in hell of happening; especially with fans rejoicing that he was Gay rather than pan or bi, and I couldn’t state my opinion without risking a lynch mob of pitchforks and torches

Or call the creators homophobic/ say they queerbaited them. Cause how dare two male characters be close with each other and not be gay.

What angered me most was how many of them claimed to be standing up for LGBTQ representation; while simultaneously attacking LGBTQ people who didn't agree with them. Those people didn't give a crap about representation unless they got what they wanted out of it.

@@siobhannoble8545 yep

Klance was the most popular ship, I was okay with it at first but ever since i saw the toxic fans complaining about Klance not being in a Sheith, Allurance and Plance video/fanart they just made despise the pairing and since season 8 was receiving a lot of negative backlash for 'Klance not becoming canon' and 'Allurance being too forced', I have seen a Klance shipper complaining to Lance VA about Klance deserves better and i replied to them by saying that Klance isn't canon and that not everything is about them in Voltron ( Keep in mind, I wasn't being rude to this person at all ) till a lot of Klance shippers started attacking me, accusing me of being a toxic Sheith and Plance shipper which made me delete my comment and i blocked them because it was so hard to deal with toxic Klance shippers. I left the fandom for good because of them, I will always love Sheith till this day and i feel truly sorry for the creators of Voltron, they don't deserve this.

@@imgone1360 and the thing is voltron wasn't about romance, while I do agree allura and Lance's relationship came out of no where, we all knew klance wasn't going to be canon then the fandom had the nerve to say the creators queer baited when, when we had shiro who was gay or bi and married a man in the end. I also hated the fact people attack the creators for killing Adam because he was gay UwU, l I'm like hello he was in a war, it was always a possibility that he could die, and honestly the fandom hated him because of what he did to shiro, but when they found out he died, he was a pewious gay baby UwU, who didn't deserve to die and the creators were homophobic for killing him.

Lucas T, Ao3 is the best website (as long as there is proper tagging which you can call out people for not doing), if it ever gets destroyed there will be consequences, the same way Tumblr got destroyed and real MAPs fled to Twitter.

this! Now, sometimes I'll stumble into quite an... Interesting untagged fic, but at that point I just back out and keep searching. It's not hard to pick out what you want and ignore the other stuff.

Truth!! If you don’t like something, they have a thing called an exclude filter for that and AO3 is awesome for it! It lets anything and everything on it, if someone doesn’t like it, they ignore it

Tumblr got ruined. This stupid nsfw cleanse didn't attract new people, it just lost their old ones. Good job. Ao3 is a heaven place.

Tbh Social Justice is already written into the show itself because the showrunners are part of this movement. Same with 2018 SheRa. Of course it's those kind of people who'll be the loudest in the fandoms then.

@@Nutmeg- I think the issue isn't Social Justice. Condemning racism, Sexism ECT? All that is bad and should be condemned. The issue is when people, as the video says go after things that make them uncomfortable and such. And they make issues way more simplistic and black and white to demonize Rule 34 or Porn fics. With stuff like "This shouldn't be debatable, Rape and pedophilia is bad" to make anyone who writes those or defends their existence using the stuff in the video as secretly pedophiles or Rape Apologists.

I actually think it’s engrained in the Internet and how you can be anonymous on there and harass people, it’s a completely different thing to tell someone their bad in front of their face then on the Internet...

@@Nutmeg- no its just crazy people no matter spectrum there on

@@Nutmeg- so it was basically doomed to happen

hey your dreams are not dead yet, they will only be dead when you die. That's how I see it.

Sorry to hear you were driven out. I personally stay in far orbit of it. Keeping to a few people I know, and looking at art and such that I like.