This is an excellent video, both Paul and Tanzeen bring up very excellent points in their critiques. I would softly disagree with the usage of terms like “patriarchal” or even “democratic” to characterize certain aspects of islamic social structure. Not because of ideological concerns, but simply on a semantic level. Patriarchy necessitates an absolutist power being disproportionately distributed to men over women, I disagree with this because the power given to men is conditional and they are accountable for it. Also, as Paul mentions, women are working in harmony with men, not in a position of inferiority. Other than that, this was a very strong conversation and It’s always a treat when BT uploads!
Patriarchy in a family structure where there is a contract between man and wife, or perhaps to the father, but that does not extend to sons and younger brothers to mothers and sisters in an extended family. It does not extend to sons, brothers or unrelated men to women. Does it? That patriarchy ends with divorce. The mechanism of patriarchy also relate to an extent to financial dependence or independence. More complex then it is being articulated here by Doha as pan patriarchy.
In Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Saudia women are treated badly, Muslims have a lower quality culture than Western countries. Paul does not know about the social situation of some Muslim majority nations, those are failed states in many ways. Paul is idealizing everything Muslim, but everything Muslim is not necessarily Islamic and moral.
@@hassanmirza2392 “lower quality of culture” isn’t a metric, and if it were, I would take living amongst Pashtun tribes than having my entire culture be consumerism and capitalist.
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "If a slave-girl commits illegal sexual intercourse and it is proved beyond doubt, then her owner should lash her and should not blame her after the legal punishment. And then if she repeats the illegal sexual intercourse he should lash her again and should not blame her after the legal punishment, and if she commits it a third time, then he should sell her even for a hair rope." Sahih al-Bukhari, 2152
Thank you Dr. Tanzeen and Paul for this insightful, very enlightening and excellent analysis from an anthropological perspective. May we better understand the role of our position as human, respect each other as a moslem
Dr. Doha, Paul, what an enlightening conversation Of course there are structural barriers against,or not in favour of Islam. On the side of the public I'd like to attribute that to ignorance but higher than that,in the social scale, maybe ignorance is not the cause. Many thanks to both for this great conversation
How did it come about? The rise was from total lack of human rights for women. It was in 1975 when it was acknowledged that women are persons in the west
It is actually a subset of Liberalism. But factually, The inception of the idea sprouted after WWI when men died in millions in the battle and the work force. Thus, efforts began to this movement and to bring women into the military draft as before world war 1, because women did not have the voting rights they were not eligible for nay military intake for wars. This was the idea women rights got the focus.
Ironically Muslims are told how Islam has very empowering laws for women, like the right to your business, your inheritance, keeping your maiden name, etc,yet in practice this isn’t the case for many women in all the Muslim countries, so when women like in the west had to fight to be recognised as having a brain and also needed not to be just chattels to men, Muslim women also started to voice their unhappiness of having to be subservient to men! I’m sorry in my home we were raised with equality between my brothers and sisters, and this enabled us to excel in our professions, and still,life a very fulfilling lives as wives, mothers, and grandmothers!
While there are many types of patriarchy good or bad, feminism is presented as monolithic. Feminism is also a spectrum and to say it’s incompatible with Islam as a general rule is dismissive of the profound empowerment Islam brought to females at the time. Women participated in politics as evident in the formative events of Islam. The first believer was a woman, so was the first martyr; a delegate of men and women gave the prophet (SAAW) the pledge of allegiance before his Hijra to Medina. Women in Islam in the early years were given financial independence, a right to inheritance, education, and choice in marriage and divorce. They fought in battle with the prophet and treated the wounded. They transmitted Hadith and taught men and women alike. Many of these ancient rights of Muslim women are denied in many Muslim communities today and they have to fight for them. If feminism that is derived from authentic Islamic sources including the Holy Quran and Hadith is equated with radical secular feminism, the alienation of Muslim women and fossilization of a rigid one sided understanding of Islam are sure to follow especially in this day and age.
Look traditionalists scholars and there institutions have failed Muslim women and perciece religion as a role play of the past. Nobody looks at the women in the Islam world and goes wow there doing well lol. Qe need to be honest fir once and understand that Islam is not very strong in Muslim societies, its a religion that not many Muslims understand.
As an Anthropology graduate, I'm so glad to finally find an anthropologist engaging in such an insightful discussion to debunk the liberal feminist propaganda about Islam and "Islamism." May Allah reward you for your constant dedication to encourage such healthy academic discussions, Paul!
May God bless you, Paul. Please, elaborate more on Islamic Caliphate. I keep hearing it in your channel, that we must have it and it was consensus that we must have a central leader. I perceive it as the status quo of its time only in a small part of the muslim world. In modern regions like Ozbekistan, Malaysia, Spain and many other places didn't care about the Caliphate and had nothing to do with it.
''the anxiety the secular society feels towards Islam is a very deep anxiety'' - 😔 my athiest friend stopped talking to me when I became interested in my religion. I miss her. we had a deep bond. How could she just shut all doors without any conversation. She asummed everything and left. I mean at least talk to me...
@@kfie3731 I appreciate honesty although I'm not Muslim or atheist. I think it's important to communicate in a respectful manner in any relationship. Wishing you the best. Peace from Florida.
@@johnbrzykcy3076 thank you. I wish we were at least able to talk about this. She will come back. She loved me a lot. If she she doesn't then, as believe, love is never meant to last (she taught me that). She is a brilliant soul I just wish her to be surrounded by love. Thank you for reading and replying. Having a listener is healing in a way.
@@kfie3731 Yes listening to another person is a good way for communication because often we don't understand another person unless we carefully listen. And it all depends on the languages and culture that two people experience. For example, I only know English language so communication would be almost impossible if I had a relationship with a Muslim who only spoke Arabic. And even within the same language, people often perceive definitions and concepts differently. It's part of human nature. I sometimes wonder why God allowed people to speak different languages. Anyhow... Peace to you from Florida...
Asalamallaikum brother Paul, can you do a video on Sahih Al Bukhara 4483, a christian said a man umar had revealed to Allah 3 verses. Jazakaillah khair
Wa alaikum assalam brother. The first point that should come to any Muslims mind is, Are we going to start believing Christians who will deny explicit words of Jesus and feed their own meanings in implicit ones? How can Umar or anyone reveal something to Allah? Allah is God and knows anything. Umar didn't reveal any verse to Allah (nauzubillah). Allah revelation came after something Umar suggested and affirmed what Umar said. It was Allah's mercy for Umar and a blessing for him that Allah affirmed his statement. These Christians know in their hearts that their book is contradictory and not the word of God, and now try to mislead the Muslims in believing the same about Qur'an.
Salam from Penang to you Paul. Can we have something on the applicability of shariah law in today's world? Or the not applicability of it. The concept of riba. Or criminal hudud. Or family law inheritance. In general cover-all for layman to see. You're the best, Sir!
A study published in the journal Nature has proposed a new model for human evolution, asserting that modern Homo sapiens stemmed from multiple genetically diverse populations across Africa rather. than a single ancestral population. This conclusion was reached after researchers analyzed genetic data from present-day African populations, including 44 newly sequenced genomes from the Nama group of southern Africa.
Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said: The prayer of a man in congregation is twenty-five times greater than prayer in his home or shop, because when he performs ablution in a good manner and leaves to the mosque only to perform prayer, then his every step will raise him a degree and expiate a sin until he enters the mosque. When he is performing prayer, the angels send blessings upon him for as long as he remains in his place of prayer. They say: O Allah, bless him and have mercy upon him. One of you continues to be in prayer as long as he is waiting for prayer. Sahih Bukhari 620
The video is disappointing as we were not told precisely what things in Islam Feminism opposes in Islam other than the husband being head of the household.
@@BloggingTheology Aah i got reply from Paul, I'm so happy, may Allah bless you... Like how you do so much service for Muslim Ummah, non-stop intellectual uploads?
Feminism shouldn’t portray women as equal or even more dominant then men, but instead to preserve the basic rights of women as human being. Both genders are created in different physical form and functions, so their role also differs but should complete each other.
Another example of what Muslim feminists mean by a patriarchal interpretation is the issue of paying alimony to divorced women. If you explore all schools of fiqh, you find some say it is not obligatory, some scholars say giving a woman one garment and a meal is enough, while others expressed more generous opinions, and yes, I say "opinions" If a Muslim country applies the first opinion, they claim to follow the shariah just as the country that follows the second or third opinion. Fiqh is a man-made interpretation and should not be equated with shari`ah, which only Allah has the exclusive meaning of. So, when Muslim feminists speak on the topic, they are asking for their God-given right in a world where many of them became the breadwinners and many times not with choice. We have to include women's perspectives to bring attention to their suffering, and we can criticize traditional scholars because they were not gods or prophets. Gender equality is mentioned in the Qur'an, and equality here means justice. I do not see you are interviewing women, why is that?
Our Creator Rabbuna Allah Almighty the One and only True Eternal Living God called "The Father " in the bible says: (13. O people! We created you from a male and a female, and made you races and tribes, that you may know one another. The best among you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous. Allah is All-Knowing, Well-Experienced.) Surah 49 al-hujurat ayah 13 from the Holy Quran the final testament revealed by our Creator Rabbuna Allah Almighty to the last of his prophets Muhammad (peace be upon them all). I pray to our One True Creator to guide us to the truth. Ameen
Like *"Getting it Right, First Time"* *Can we* just *Create without* *Revision, (editing) , "Updates"* Why not? [Allah Most Wise] challenges us to try... And when *We know We were unable to* , We would be Convinced of the Claim of [The Claimant]
Once again there are no women in this . I don't see you having your heads covered like women are forced to do. I am a female but not a feminist. As always groups of all denomination go to extremes. Afghanistan comes to mind where women are beng stopped from going to school etc etc. Thrown in jail just because they are not completely covered up. Men ruling what women can and cannot do is not an equal life. It is not feminist just to be able to go out on your own or go to school.
Shariah = Qur'an Alone, "If all the trees on earth were pens, and the sea were ink, with seven more seas yet added, the Words of God would not be exhausted. God is Almighty, Wise. [31:27, 18:109]". Traditional Islam will not prevail in the modern secular world because "the secular, scientific and material nature of the creations reflect the Deen of Allah" (Qur'an 3:83).
Here's a quote from Dr. Tanzeen Doha's paper I can agree with: "While it is certainly true that Islam’s corpus of texts, reasoning structure, and scholars are *full of contradictions and paradoxes* , ..." P.56
Can you elaborate on the contradictions and paradoxes ? Giving multiple examples because it is « full of » so you can probably give us dozens of examples of these paradoxes
@@martinmatino6253 You would have to ask Dr. Tanzeen Doha, because this quote is from his paper, but I'm sure he would not make such a strong claim, without knowing what he is talking about.
@@grnzrn The complete quote: "While it is certainly true that Islam’s corpus of texts, reasoning structure, and scholars are full of contradictions and paradoxes, there is still a sys-tematization of knowledge in which an orthodoxy is articulated. And to assume that the complex mechanism through which this articulation takes place over a period of fourteen hundred years is simply a determination of history is to commit tremendous violence upon Islamic epistemology and methodology. The multiple contradictions and the existence of plurality of thought within the epistemic unity of Islam does not necessarily negate, undermine, or delegitimize orthodoxy. To assume such a delegitimization is to essentialize difference" I think it's very clumsy of him. But he would have to justify himself on this passage indeed.
Why don't you interview a female Muslim scholar who may have a different view? Autonomy is an Allah-given right to women, and it does not mean that Muslim feminists are going against Allah. Qur'an's Hermeneutics is essential. Take the example of the woman who complained to Umar Ibn al-Khattab, regarding her share of inheritance. She has worked as a tailor with her husband and built a business, and they did not have children, so when her husband died she ended up having less share than her husband's siblings who never set a foot in the business. Khalifah Umar ruled, after consulting many companions, that she should get half of her husband's wealth beside her share, which he called labor money. Allowing women to talk about their current problems and allowing thinkers to find ways to establish justice rather than a blind interpretation of Shari`ah is what Muslim feminists are calling for. It does not make them evil, westerners, or want to change Islam from within. Let us look at Maqasid ash-Shari`ah to make sure we do not misapply it.
please see feminism is good in many ways and if women want autonomy they can have it but in the context of a marriage they need a man to guide them and let them see clearly what they wish to clarify and women need to be under a guides lead as sometimes things are not clear to them and a man also needs a womans intuition to guide him but he does carry out decisions made jointly and is thus the executioner of the deed but there does not need to be this fighting in a marital relationship and islam is patriarchal but in no way discounts womens sentiments and the father is the head of the family but accepts the wishes of his wife in most cases and they are a team but it is so female liberation is against patriarchy but it is a reality in our nature to accept the patriarchs decision on us and children and mothers usually have no problem with that and you are not going to change the nature of individuals as that comes from their y and x chromosome and there you have it women are not going to become men and men cannot change their nature either and our roles are defined by genetics and our nature so it is better not to fight the role we play that islam proposes for love and harmony to occur between them omar Al-Rum 30:21 And of His signs is this, that He created mates for you from yourselves that you might find quiet of mind in them, and He put between you love and compassion. Surely there are signs in this for a people who reflect. Excerpt From Holy Quran Maulana Muhammad Ali
Very irrelevant. In fact your comment is sexist according to 2nd wave feminism: the discussion of any topic is irrelevant of the gender. Fundamentally, in strict definition, once a gender is assigned to any topic then it is sexism. Proportion of female : male ratio is irrelevant as long as information propagation is achieved. Go simp for women in other platforms. Won't work here. PS: According to 3.5th wave feminism, you have not asked the guest's gender. Just because the guest has a beard and has traditional masculine features does not make that individual a 'male'. You are so sexist man. ''Be better'' (as your beloved feminist friends would say)
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