Why flat earthers scare me 

vastly

Okay, but I learned that in school.

There is a theory that if you had an infinite number of monkeys pounding on an infinite number of keyboards then eventually just by random chance they will type all the words to the novel "war and peace". The Internet has proven this theory false.

🚩FACT🚩 Flat earthers r TOTALY right when it comes to the fact that many of space videos & photos r CGs, manipulated or fake; including the ones that get released by NASA🤏

LOL (Lack of Logic)!

Fake encyclopedia

That was the original statement on FE website.

I call it a logical fallacy.

ROFL😂

Golden :)

One of my favorite 'conspiracy theories" is that cats are aliens in disguise sent to monitor humanity. Don't worry, tho', they are mostly benevolent.

This should have more likes

Was funny the first time i heard it. Ten years ago...

@@Buckdawg And still is, as the cat here on my computer desk has just knocked my pen off and is now working on the placemat in front of this keyboard ...

You are misinformed...the cats are in on the conspiracy!

Now you're opening your sheepy eyes to the TRUTH! Cheers from Aotearoa. 😉👍

Your country also resembles a hot dog in their flat earth models.

@@stevenvarner9806 How lovely😅

Your country is nothing but a huge tv studio in area 51.

​@@jagobabarron5501 uh what

As much as I know flat earth theory is completely ridiculous, I disagree with that statement, people have the right to hold views that are clearly wrong , it’s their right as human beings , otherwise we end up with free thought and free speech being censored and controlled by those who believe they know better .

God save us form the arrogance of the experts.

Brilliant.

that precisely defines the contemporary Woke mind virus

@@puddintame7794 Actual experts have earned the right to be arrogant. Amateurs arrogantly claiming to know more than the experts have not.

Brilliant pun. Love it. Deserves more recognition.

Underrated comment for sure

That one is for the ages !!

@@roberteatwell6827 i mean, it's a _very_ common joke

janthony721. Magnificent.

“You know, the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don’t alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit their views.” - The Face of Evil: Part Four (1977)

I feel like flat earthers are fearful, I think they are scared of the universe and what it means and just how vast and unknowable it can be. My mom is an antivaxxer and yet she was a nurse and a pretty smart lady, but when you let your fear run away you become irrational and I think scientists laughing off and not taking it seriously will only lead to More of this that will be harder to weed out and fix

“Interesting…”

One killed himself with one of his own experiments, if he was actually being honest about being a flat earther...

@@user-ls1qc8hg2s is. Donald Trump!

Just like the protesters right now, grasping at relevance.

Flat Earthers are the type of people who won debating competitions in school no matter how ridiculous the position they had to defend.

@MrDominex Most probably you're right, but what on Earth drives Hossenfelder to seriously engage with such hoaxes?

@@miloszforman6270 Because flat earthers have an impact on society, especially if their number is on the rise

Some. Not all. Many vehemently believe it.

@@miloszforman6270 Right now, many schools are teaching that boys can be girls, so it's not much of a stretch to think that flat earth "science" could end up in the curriculum soon . . .

"They just want their opinion confirmed" is a common affliction among social media consumers of all kinds, unfortunately.

Many are able to escape. STST (Seek Truth Speak Truth) is a notable example. Recently, Rachie 00000 escaped, and she is now a debunker. And not even a bad one. FTFE (FIght the Flat Earth) has his own story of many people who saw his videos, and after a while sent Thank You mail to FTFE, helping them escape the nonsense. There must be more.

That's everyone lol

I remember bumping into an old friend of mine from middle school who was actually in my science class. Really cool guy as we got along really well. We went to Highschool together but didn’t hang out much maybe because we never had any classes together. Years later I bump into him and for some reason we talk about the earth being flat. And we argue for hours and hours and it’s crazy to me think that he’d take such a position. He even used “math” and “science” to try to prove his point. I asked him about the astronaut photos and he said fish eye lens to which I said that’s not how a fish eye lens works. It got to the point where I just said “everything you’re saying is irreproducible in the real world. Nothing you’re saying can lead to any type of invention or (like Sabine said) real world prediction. It can only satisfy your paranoia.”

Flat earthers are more interested in the argument than the science. If you ignore them, they won't get what they are looking for and will eventually go away. Alternatively, in the immortal words of the half dozen people attributed to this quote.... "Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."

No they're debunking scientists who are unable to decipher FE Truth and will do anything to protect their social standing with falsehoods .

True. But you also didn't need the last two words.

The flat earth society model is unrepresentative of current flat earth beliefs. Do more research before you spout ignorance.

No worries. Flat earthers don't have a model. They usually take a polar projection and call that their map, but it obviously doesn't fit any real world observations. As Sabine said, they can't so much as explain a sunrise.

@@russell2952 For real. It always goes like this: - "You still don't have a map" - "Lmao, have you heard of Gleason's? Do your research!" - "None of the distances there seem to correlate with actual real life distances, what's up with that?" And then it's either "It's just a representation, not an actual map" or they just ignore you and pretend the conversation never happened. Same with model. Never seen a flerf take any conversation to its logical conclusion - they always run away.

I have a large wall map of the world and new Zealand isn't even it.😂

Wait, aren't they denying the existence of Australia?

😂😂

Genius! I love it ...

I think you're on to something here.

This or add polygons 😂

Ask a flat-earther to call the earth a disc instead of flat. Most won't because the earth is flat from the surface, but not from space.

Only Flat Lines!ha ha

@@ronpapi9539 I wish they flatlined

They see a 3D line!

They see the line, but don't believe it's really a line. It's nasa pretending there is a line.

@@PartlyXenon No Curved line noted as usual.

Well that was your first mistake. Someone honestly believing in flat earth has IQ of a chimp at best and no reasonable debate is possible.

Its because he wont understand it, so he asks you to not talk gibberish. You cant start at that point, because he is too dumb, you need to start at improving his fundamental knowledge of before talking "advanced" stuff like.. simplified gravity.

He may have fallen for the charlatan Samuel Rowbotham's so called "Zetetic Method". Interesting question to ask someone who actually believes in the Zetetic Method is "What is the Zetetic Method?".

So what were you supposed to use ? Feelings ? Lol You can tell earth ain't by using very common knowledge

there are non-scientific arguments to convince someone out of flat earth

No, there are also the trolls doing it for the, "lols." Years ago when I was on Fecesbook there was a girl on my friends list who I later discovered was a flat-earther. I saw people commenting on her page and I swear some of them were just egging her on to be nasty. I really felt bad for her. It was quite sad and cruel.

There are also those that were always attacking flat earthers with our NASA facts and as we saw through the many lies, we became flat earthers.

@@MyName-tb9oz I'm confused who are the 3rd type of flat earthers? the girl in your story? But she wasn't a troll in your story?

@@MyName-tb9oz LOL @ "fecesbook." I agree there's likely a lot of trolls, pretending to be flat earthers.

@@richardalvarez2390 Oh absolutely. I live in New Zealand, and we all have to pretend about Antarctica, and take turns guarding the ice wall.

The earth is a disc with 2 large mountains, one on top, one underneath. Space photos prove it.

@@GoldIsSilent0 Games without frontiers.

funny thing about that... on some level, everything is absurd

@@AngryGroceries that’s absurd. 😜

@@AngryGroceries The original quote is longer, more nuanced, and in French.

The US government apparatus, most governments likely.

Most the flat earthers I've interacted with behaved in a similar way however every so often there is one who is really willing to learn. For example, one said "if we travel around the sun once a year, then six months later the sun should be in the sky at night." I then explained sidereal and they actually seemed to understand.

@@ddegn I agree that there are exceptions to the "general rule" I described above. Thank you for pointing it out. It is in fact the very reason why, every now and then, I try reasoning with some of them. Didn't lose the hope of finding one who is willing to learn (although I haven't been that lucky yet).

I remembered those previous titles too. The only concern I have is not with 'Flat-Earthers', but with how Sabine is starting to gravitate into the realm of click bait in order to stay relevant / goose the algorithm. There's been a spate of influencers putting out similarly worded click bait lately, which I find intellectually insulting: "Why XXXXX is not just wrong, but DANGEROUS!". Just fill in the thing you dislike with XXXXX and wait for the clicks to roll in - even though there's nothing truly dangerous going on. Is it ignorant to believe the Earth is flat? Yeah. Is it dangerous? Nah.

@@ddegn And that explanation is just bonkers. Why? Because the Sun can not overhead of everyone at the same line at the same time. Like you can be in Spain and feel the Sun straight overhead, then at the same time, someone in Sweden could have the same feeling of the Sun straight overhead. You would never have that if the Earth was tilted and Sun always ran over the Equator. It is a lie, a bad lie, and the worst part is that you have no clue what I told you.

Pretty sure you just described #45

Tide goes in. Tide goes out. You can’t explain that! /s

As long as my water is clean, I'm ok.....(sarcasm)

The land surface also moves, to a much lesser extent. Water is recycled, by the hydrosphere.

lol i have yet to hear that one, these flearth models are a riot, the one i hear to explain the sea involves the famed ice wall melting in the summer & reforming in the winter, also theres ofcourse an armada guarding it that the UN protect (man i WiSH we could work that well together on something like that)

At least they seem aware of recycling.

How much you got ?

@@mkx9095 Couple hundred thousand. Do it.

@@Raptor302 I can’t find the moon neither , I asked to know if you was worth an hack 😅

@@Raptor302 I’m joking , don’t worry

@@mkx9095 Ha! I was all ready to fire off a post asking you how you can stand on a continent that doesn't exist. hehe. I used to have a telescope and could find most things relatively easily. It was amazing to see Jupiter with my own eyes, then I bought a refractor and for some reason couldn't find anything. Even the moon took me forever to get a bead on.

And if that wasn't scary enough, you need to also remember that the favor is shifting towards TikTok these days...

its just google graphs

The algorithm is aligned with: "'needs' of modern society" It doesn't cause those 'needs'

The movie Idiocracy is becoming real

​@@volkerengels5298nah it's aligned with making Google more money, they changed it because they realised they can make more money in the long term if they allow a long term to exist and don't bring about a new dark age.

I think this is the main reason to be a flatearther. It's like a drug which (like all drugs) gives you a pleasurable sensation (to be smarter than the rest), but detaches you from the reality (that the Earth is not flat). Also, most flatearthers seem to have had very poor school records and it may have made them resentful against knowledge.

That’s it exactly. Who wants to be successful and accepted in society if society is all based on a lie? So they become a flerfer and feel superior.

In the same fashion the masses feel superior because they belong to the 'true knowledge incrowd'.

@@robvanderwell5695 no actually, I was convinced when I made my trip to IO.

@@robvanderwell5695 But they don't though, do they. For the vast, vast, vast majority of people who know the earth is a globe or that 5G isn't mind control or that lizard people don't exist, it's not a big deal. They don't all gather on online forums to discuss the latest in globe-earth evidence - it's a total non-issue that barely ever gets thought about or brought up. The problem that causes flat earthers is the same problem that causes incels and pulls some people into religious cults: it's people with not a whole lot else going on in their life for whom "the earth is secretly flat" fills that void and forms the keystone of their identity. Normal well adjusted folk can weather individual beliefs or traits being scrutinised because it's only a small part of their overall personality. For flat earthers it's all they've got, so they take it much harder and are more likely to double-down and get defensive to protect such a core part of their life. It's why flat earthers need to in many cases be deprogrammed like incels and cult members by supporting them to build confidence in other areas of their life so they can safely tackle the lies they were fed from within the flat earth community.

It's led to anti-vaxxers.

>staunch the haemorrhage remember the alamo

Not worried about this because the 20th century showed that rapid technological progress isn't inherently good. I think anti-intellectualism stems from the fact that as people get smarter they get more depressed as people realize no individual can change much of anything, so people reject the words of intellectuals and scientists as a way to assert control. After all the old saying is ignorance is bliss. For the most part I see slow change in technology being an opportunity for people to not be left behind. In any case there has always been culture and counter-culture and I don't see anything unique here, just people being irrational as usual. Some minds can be influenced to change some can't, but one can hope that by abiding by truth the world will get better.

I understand what you mean and I agree this amount of stupidity is scary . But it is also true that a good amount of them are just trolls, in fact some of them don't really believe in a flat earth to begin with ! They just want to be different , like outrageous teenagers.They want to rock the boat, because it's fun.They want to oppose the mainstream so they feel they exist and they are important, and they want to be heard most of all ! So in the end we don't know how to approach them, do we ? Because arguing , explaining is just pointless. So what is left to us ? Ignore them till this trend passes. Because eventually , it will. Like baggy pants.

​@@randus7053 Modern intellectuals are nihilist.

At this point anyone trying to find the truth should assume by default they're in the club, even if all evidence points to otherwise.

@Hudoi-1 humm, you might want to read up on the Dunning-Kruger effect...because it's not as helpful as you might think, as a truth finding flex.

@@Hudoi-1 LOL

If you don't know whether you're in The Dunning-Kruger Club, you're not in The Dunning-Kruger Club.

This is hilarious 🤣

I am pretty certain that this is the case.

"First Rule of Fight Club" kind of thing.

I think it started off this way, but then it became a situation where you should never underestimate the human capacity for stupidity.

That's what I've always thought as well,... just a really committed dry humour.

First rule of humans: all jokes become real.

Keep taking those jabs kid

@@MrCheswickMusic it’s funny, because you literally have no argument a part from an assumption that not only is incorrect, but has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I will give you a bit of a history lesson as a freebie. Humanity has known the world was round well before vaccines were invented 😉

Don’t forget Occam’s Razor, they jump to a ridiculous conclusion faster than it takes to watch a ship leave port.

You have been Gish Galloped, my friend!

I once met a creationist who believed the earth is less than 10000 years old. At first I thought he was joking. Similarly bizarre experience!

and he was floating at the top of the canyon.

Let me guess - they used the word 'theory' completely in opposite to its actual meaning? If I hear 'gravity is only a theory' suggesting it doesn't exist I just stop all communication and move away. These people have *nothing* to add to the world.

did you ask him to try jumping across the canyon?

I asked someone who believed in the round earth about how we know a vaccine is safe and effective if it hasnt been given the time for proper clinical trials. They started yelling at me that I was trying to kill people. I left after they started telling me I should be put against a wall and shot with a gun.

Time is fake 😂

Tokyo is obviously fake! Japanese people are all in on it!

Oh fun, looks like they deleted my comment.

@@shortgamingmovies2685 How could the sunshine be "local"? If the sun if above NY, why can't its light reach Tokyo?

Sun is little. It doesn’t set , it goes away on a circle and create darkness in the part that the light doesn’t reach . Didn’t watch the video ?

@@mkx9095 don’t know what reality you live in, but the sunsets every day.

@@robertsmith262 it goes away and it looks like going down but it doesn’t

@@mkx9095 find a better hobby. Not going to debate with someone who thinks the Earth is flat. Do you know why? Because there is nothing to debate.

@@mkx9095 We both know that your explanation makes no sense and you're just here to troll.

And you'll never get that time back again...

It seems like the lady has jus started to discover the truth.

@@saldownik : That flerfs are dumb?

Some don't even believe there is space and other planets and that we're the only thing to exist.

@@spiderprime That's me.

😂😂😂😂😂

I thought flat earthers don't believe in space even though that's all we see for pretty much infinity.

That's why they evolved into birds.

That was actually from a parody video making fun of flat earthers. But yeah.

Ahh, the unwashed masses, they are so disgusting, aren't they?

Sounds like playing chess with Trump 😂

We don’t argue with people like you.

One variation that I like goes ".. and strut around like they won the game."

@@ThatBonsaipanda you people are worthless

Not very different from creationists.

This. She pointed out the lack of scientific education, but flat earthers can be explained even more simply than that - confirmation bias.

Honestly who cares? By the law of large numbers, you are never going get 100% people to accept something. It's not a lack of education, it's a matter of parts of science being counterintuitive and many people have a limit on how much they are willing to oppose their intuition. Flat Earth is the most extreme case of this. Evolution deniers exist because it's hard to have intuition for something that takes millions of years. Vaccine deniers exist because of the intuition that injecting an unknown substance into your body is dangerous. Viewers of this channel will ridicule all of these. However let's not forget that there is no scientific evidence for free will, while there is plenty evidence for determinism, yet there are most likely people in this comment section who consider themselves "scientifically minded" but cannot go against their intuition when it comes to free will.

Right. It's not remotely about what's true. This stuff meets a psychological need. Whether it's flat earth, QAnon, creationism, Scientology, or gender ideology, arriving at the facts is not the point. Such belief systems are not information that "out there" that these people have considered, perceived and understood - they are ideologies that they have adopted and *identified with*, and that's a big difference. The truth doesn't confer an identity. Ideology does. These kinds of beliefs give people membership in a core group of believers who know the Ordained Truth, while everyone outside that group is thought a fool, a sinner, a bigot, an infidel, a sheeple, etcetera. It's tribal and evolutionary. The people I know who go for this stuff are always insecure, and often have very deep traumatic wounds from early life. They want to belong. They want to be special. They want to feel empowered. The want to feel they have an enemy to oppose. They want to define themselves in relation to all these things. To present them with evidence that their claims are false is not to dissuade them. It is to further radicalise them. The reason is two fold: 1. All criticism of their ideas is perceived as an attack on their identity and personhood. 2. All criticism of their ideas is evidence their ideas are correct, because the "sheeple" or whoever, are trying to defeat the truth. The reason to confront these people and their ideas is not to dissuade them, unless you're able to actually involve them in long term deprogramming. The reason to confront these ideas is so that others who are yet to be indoctrinated and may be watching may be spared the same fate. Meanwhile, if you really do want to help someone who has fallen prey to these kinds of ideologies, the only thing that will do it isn't to confront them with facts, but to engage them in relationship. Rarely, this will work. Remember, it's all about identification. If they start identifying with people who believe things that are true, they are likely to change their beliefs. People believe what their tribe believes more often than not.

Flat Earth debunkers will never admit it's just a big troll. Sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice. It's ridiculous how many people will accept incompetence as an excuse just because it makes them feel smarter for themselves.

Keep taking those jabs kid

That's what they "know" about us, lol.

Most arrogant truthers there is . They are just as bad as the globalist Pfizer Bill Gates people they talk about themselves. Hypocrites. What they call truth is far from it

@@bsadewitzindeed

ASTROPHOTOGRAPHY: Connecting to Nasa CGI images of space and convincing yourself they're REAL. Keep taking the pills.

I am in the satellite radio technologies industry. According to flat earthers I am in on the vast conspiracy to hide the shape literally 99.9999% of people don't care about, or I am also a sheeple being fooled.

What I want to know is why they believe what they believe. What is the point of lying about the shape of the earth?

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It’s made by people who’s goal is to make you think it’s too stoppid to look at and you fell for it.

@@User-yy6xt because it's stupid.

You should watch "the martian" documetry when Nasa sent matt damon to grow potatoes on mars back in 2015. Much better then that Apollo 11 💩 from 1969 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@@johnqpublic7608 Yeah it was. It was totally stupid. It had not one thing that was true about the flat earth or flat earthers in there. It was made up garbage designed to keep you all ignorant to what people who see the flat earth see and where they look to see it. They won’t v show you what we see because then you would see it too.

@@User-yy6xt By all means, dazzle us with how smart you are. Prove anything about flat earth.

People who just like to argue for no reason like teenagers and Woke college students

Yeah. The first video Sabine made was about that. She, in fact, defended the cynical aspect of the original flat Earth movement.

There are a fair few poes, who just pose as flerths, for money and "fame". If any flerth who shows any hint of intelligence, most probably aren't flat earthers. And the dummies (who are genuine flerths) just follow. The poes might write a book called "Flat Earth for Dunmies". 😅

Other way around DA

The flat earth society is unrepresentative of modern flat earth theory

Otherwise known as HOME SCHOOLED!

While I assume I would agree with the intent of what you are attempting to say, I'll take ranch on my word salad.

@@duanecarroll8255 Well...considering what the public school system is like in places such as the US...

There is some research to show that people who believe a lot of conspiracy theories are more fearful than general. And also not generally of high educational attainment. The feeling of being bewildered by a fast changing world, by social and technological change, being clobbered by scary phenomena that seem to come out of nowhere (like economic recession) - all of this resolves once you are “in” on the secret of the lizard people or whatever. It is a more inchoate, ad hoc way of dealing with Big-Scary-Hard-To-Get-A-Grip Reality than the more conscious religious injunction to accept the will of God whether or not you understand it. It has the comforting advantage of feeling like you do understand it. Plus it gives you the fantastic feeling of at last being smart- smarter than the smart kids you went to high-school with.

@@duanecarroll8255 I would argue that home schoolers are less prone to become flat earthers, since during home schooling one has far more opportunity to think things through.

The Sun has a lampshade. A lampshade that changes shape with the seasons. Didn't you know? (RIP Sci Strike, you are missed but never forgotten)

I like your mountain range example.

You are dumber than him for trying to debate about physics with someone that never tried to learn physics.

Looks somewhat fun. 1. Using spherical coordinates does not in and of itself imply the earth is a sphere. Indeed, I believe that they can be mapped into the euclidean coordinate system. 2. There can be fog, and objects obstructing your view. Additionally, there could be an effective render distance. 3. If light is emitted as if from a flashlight, the light illuminates a cone between the source and the plane. Now, you might argue that the sun is a sphere, and is a point source. However, all we can observe is the 2D dome of the sky, where it presents as a disk. 4. The world loads in semi-continuous chunks, where each star can be seen a a puncture of the sky-dome (let's call it the firmament or something) and is only visible from chunks illuminated by the star's light cone.

1 minute of latitude/longitude equals 1 nautical mile (slightly off in Northerly/Southerly airspace due to... well duh?). Pretty handy on aeronautical maps when trying to find coordinates. This would absolutely not work in a flat earth universe.

It’s not Dunning-Kruger. The effect is often misrepresented. In the study, the people with little knowledge still correctly identified they had less knowledge then the experts, they just wastly underestimated the information gap, as they weren’t even aware of much of the knowledge the experts knew. The experts in turn overestimated the knowledge the average people had. It’s not that they doubted themselves or weren’t aware of their position as an expert. Flat earthers aren’t just more confident in their knowledge, they flat out think the experts are wrong or lying. They aren’t just unaware of the knowledge gap, but believe its just filled with lies and deception.

​@@catcatcatcatcatcatcatcatcatcathank you for clarifying that for me, I wasn't aware that was the study that was actually done.

@@catcatcatcatcatcatcatcatcatca "The experts in turn overestimated the knowledge the average people had" -i don't think you have any evidence of that claim otherwie you would have probabally said it, in my experience they are confident in their own reasoning and think the experts are duped, if this is because they are unable to grasp basic science, as most of us judge, then it's technically the Dunning-Kruger effect just i guess i'm tired of people using it when arguing with one another, which is maybe why Sabine didn't mention it

Half of the yin-yang is black. Half of people are liars. Only half of people want the world to improve. Notice and adapt.

You can try to go to the edge but the military will stop you. The governments know, but will keep you in the dark. 60° latitude is your limit.

Have you actually stared at the sky long enough to independently verify that that's what they do? The sky moves very slowly. I have watched the moon crawl across the sky, but never the sun or the stars. In any case, I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a flat-earther who has travelled to both hemispheres of the earth...

@@hodgeyhodge8414 Turn on a camera to record the sky, and then watch it back sped up.

I live in the northern hemisphere and have watched the stars at night for over 60 years and can attest that they rotate clockwise around a fixed point called the north star. The big dipper proves the stars do not "disappear."

​​@@hodgeyhodge8414it's not that slow, actually Moon, Sun and stars rotate at almost the same speed, because it's mostly Earth rotation. As for seeing that, you don't even need a telescope. Just remember where stars are at midnight and check hour later. They'll move for about 15°, or 30 Moon's diameter, that is pretty noticeable. With telescope that rotation is a PITA, because you have constantly adjust direction to see planets, stars. P.S. 30 diameters - that is near sky equator, closer to the Polar star lesser is difference, but it's still noticeable a lot.

There is no "southern hemisphere".

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Absolutely right!

Sometimes people will cry “TRUST IN SCIENCE” in lieu of saying “DON’T QUESTION OUR NARRATIVE”. Scientists throughout history have questioned currently held science to refine science. Also, for years people thought Newtonian physics was the final destination and the some dared to do science and discovered it was merely the surface.

I think it's mostly that they ignore that all branches of science are interconnected to some extent To them the shape of the planet and the function of an electronic device aren't related and therefore to them there is not even the cognitive dissonance.

What they do is separate science from technology and pretend they have nothing to do with each other in order to avoid the inevitable cognitive dissonance.

its because they dont understand how these things work (well like 99.99% of people actually).

It goes way deeper than just their living. Psychologically, conspiracy theories come from the same place as religious fanaticism

It's so true, and at the same time, so sad...

"it is very important for them that people continue buying their books, going to their conferences and subscribing to their platforms" Meaning that, in order to be a Flat-Earther, one is obliged to do all those things?

The commies want their perceived right to live comfortably upheld by everyone else's tax dollars; at least these fools are making people laugh while peddling their nonsense.

​@@thstroyur the more you preach an idea, the more you increase the likelihood of finding someone who accepts it. Not all flat earthers will support the preachers but even if 5% of the supporters do the bare minimum of visiting their dumb seminars, or buying their books for whatever reason, (it most likely stems from a need to socialize and actually interact with someone on their level as most of society is clearly way too intellectually superior compared to them) will make them a fortune

Interesting!

Oh its funny

I´ve seen "behind the curve". And I am surprised how stupid people really show off how dumb they are. But of course they are all from the US, where religion is destroying young persons ability to accept fact. I never studied in the US, but there must be a very poor educational system. What worries me, is that they also can vote.... The "star" in this movie I Mark Sargent. He is making a lot of money of this stupidity, so that's fine for him. To get rich from other "believers" stupidity.

Really? Now THAT is irony!

Flat earth Society is controlled opposition. Flat earthers do not take that statement seriously. As being around the world is bogus

Flat Earth Society is very tongue in cheek. The entire idea is tongue in cheek, though there are also really low IQ people who don't realize that and take it completely seriously, to be fair, but the leadership is really very clear about FES being about skepticism and the scientific method (a point that is ironically lost on Sabine, who doesn't even mention the FES, just the vague idea that people think Earth is genuinely flat). It is a statement against blindly believing authorities and demanding evidence and clear explanations: any person can see that the surface of the Earth appears to be flat at a human scale, and the overwhelming vast majority of people do not have any natural experience that proves to them that the Earth is a globe. It isn't that there's some supposed big conspiracy, it is that they are skeptical and advocating skepticism. Or you can just jump on the bandwagon and say "hahaha those people are sooooooo dyum!! I'm glad I'm not those people!!!".

Let's not forget, there is a 3 hour testimony of pilots and pilot instructors admitting the earth is flat, on RU-vid

So effing cliche.

What moon? There is only a hole in God's heavenly blanket!

school and all is mandatory since 200 years or so (even more). its not about schools. the problem is society as a whole.

Philosophy classes. The basis of all science and the rules of debate are taught in Philosophy. There is a reason PhD is the most widely know Doctoral degree (PhD = Doctorate of Philosophy).

It *is* mandatory. Logic and critical thinking are an essential part of classes like maths, physics, chemistry, history, and most importantly literature analysis. And these classes are all pretty much core classes in most civilised countries. If you take a look, most flat earthers are either US Americans or people who are from another country but have had little education and a lot of exposure to US centric media and social media. And an even closer look will reveal that these US Americans are from states where education has been whittled down and outright butchered. This is not a coincidence.

Absolutely

not even basic economics is based on logic.. which is why flat earthers have become a phenomenon in the first place.

They just dont trust people that have a track record of lying to them for fun and profit.

A lot of it is willful ignorance but the vast majority of flerfs are too stupid to understand basic science. It's beyond their capacity. I have tried and tried to understand how an automatic transmission works but I just can't get it. I would like to know about quantum mechanics but when I read anything about it I literally get a headache. People have limitations.

@@GusOfTheDorksThis is why I am sympathetic to flat earthers. They are like old hippies believing in crystals. Hilariously wrong, often politically charged, but not bad people. PS-also don’t worry so much, humanity was doomed from star. just have fun. If space colonization works and man survives, then what a great surprise!

Yes! That would be a worthwhile investigation. How many of these miscreants are in it just for the trolling, and how many actually believe.

I found most flat earthers are argumentative in nature and not just about flat earth, about all things. They just like to argue and they are usually men.

Leftists, Democratic Party voters in the USA, are on par with Flat Earthers ......for their impressive immunity to facts, science, and reality.

A segway is a scooter. A segue, pronounced the same way, as two syllables, is a transition.

Oh come on, cut them some slack. Every scientific field has some p-hacking issues.

except, religious people don't necessarily ignore proof, you cannot proof that god doesn't exist, that doesn't proof his existence either, but you can disprove flat earth quite easily

@@deathsinger1192religious people believe nonsense proofs and nonsense logic are actually proofs based on actual logic. Also, most atheists have concluded that religions are dumb and/or that gods are incoherent nonsense. It is rare for them to argue that gods are provably nonexistent (and indeed, religious cosmologies are so ill defined that it isn’t clear what is supposed to be disproven).

Cool story bro. Variation 11,075 on the same story. Globetards have no imagination, just parrots and sheep.

All retired Pilots come forward with FE Truth, so as not to lose their retirement benefits by exposing the Lie of a Globe

Bruce McCandless made history performing a spacewalk during STS-41B with no lifelines Bruce's rotation 1,000 mph Bruce's orbit around the sun 66,600 mph Sun's orbit around the galaxy 514,000 mph Galaxy traveing thru space 3,600,000 mph not felling any of it Priceless? or MindLess!!

@@parody_bear_mike . The human body has no mechanism for detecting constant, steady movement, only a change in speed or direction over a certain amount.

Much ouff!

Vibes of Cosmos has

Exactly, no one could ever present a concept for FE that would work with everything we see and experience every day/every year.

@@ChewyChicken589 any links to that content?

​@@ChewyChicken589Looking at the links provided by the Google search vibes of cosmos flat Earth map, it's a bunch of bunk.

​@@ChewyChicken589No, they haven't

It absolutely boggles me how an occasional Australian flat earther pops up. Do they NEVER go outside?

The problem has been pointed out many times, but the flat earthers just can't seem to get it. I put it down to stupidity - the don't have the processing power to visualize the issue.

I guess you are right that search for attention is part of it for the people who you see on social media. But there's a larger group of quiet people behind them, the ones who share, lurk, and like. It's also really hard to make headlines with flat earth theories. I think that the attention-seekers are more of the sort who come up with a proof of the Riemann hypothesis or a theory of everything etc, something that plausibly would be front page news.

Nah arguing about silly stuff on FE forums is amusment.

@@SabineHossenfelder You underestimate amount of attention seekers. It is combination of attention seekers, stupid people and people who just do it for fun. I worry much more about politics and activism in science, which only feeds such "sceptics".

@@SabineHossenfelder Follow the money who founded

Sometimes I go on Flat Earth Society forums just to mess with heads of people literally angry that people CLAIM the Earth is FLAT.

_"Religion Poisons Everything"_

If his religion involved engineering, and if his engineering involved religion; just so long as none of his bridges or buildings fell/fall down, no problem. But if he cast aside practical safety considerations and just prayed to The Lord for those to be covered; I think he should be promoted to ex-engineer. Perhaps he compartmentalised? A lot of them do, and some are brilliant at it. (And now to look up 'cognitive dissonance' again ...)

He "said" he was an engineer you mean? 🤣

Flat earth is not biblical.

I've known at least one educated, professionally productive flat earther. It's weird.

No - haven't you heard that the NASA agents have been in Antarctica for over 100 years to stop things like that😂

That Ven diagram has a lot of overlap.

@@smeeself yea it does. So far flat earthers aren't telling others to live their lives as if the earth is flat though.

How many covid boosters do you have in your arm, slick?

obviously wrong, but also correct for comedic purposes

Truth. Even the universal speed limit bends the knee for Dunning-Krueger.

I'm tired of people complaining about the internet. There were probably even more uneducated people with ridiculous beliefs BEFORE the internet. You just didn't know about it because they would only talk to their friends and family about it.

@@Rhomes7 how many Covid boosters do you have in your arm, smart guy?

Very true.

The censorus work hard to create that link. Only a flat earther conspiracy theorist would even dare say higher taxes and not being allowed to drive on weekends are bad.

Conspiracy theories in general have so stretched the concept of skepticism that it no longer means anything. Science should invent some new word to represent healthy and informed skepticism.

@@xintophotography9848 As if worldwide bullexcretes is sanely explainable without conspiracy theories. However, conspiracy theories could have different quality.

Im gonna second what another has already commented, flerfs are "just" one of the many conspiracy theories which has flurished over the last couple of decades. We humans have some catching up to do regarding our social and cognative abilities if we are to keep pace with our information tech. Using history as a guide, I'd say there is a decent chance/risk that many wars will need to happen before we take this seriusly enough.

"you'll discover that the creator of the modern flat earth was a 9yr old dropout" For flat earthers, this is seen as an advantage. It means they haven't let themselves be brainwashed by indoctrination.

Cool story, bro.

I was often the first person to make a comment on Eric Dubay's channel, but he or any other viewer ever replied to my comment, which leads me to believe that most of them didn't believe it either. I would say, if the earth is a disc, then all the bodies of water would be still like a pond, but the oceans are always churning because water can't settle ion a spherical surface.

revoke voting rights?

@@johnjeffreys6440 Spherical has nothing to do with it. Water could perfectly well settle on a spherical surface if the sun weren't mixing up the oceans and the atmosphere.

@@marksea64 the moon has more to do with the tides and the waves of the ocean than the sun.

@@johnjeffreys6440 I wasn't referring to the tides, but yes, the moon has a stronger effect on tides. The point stands.

Flat earthers ARE the very bottom!

they shouldn't be so low. It's like having something funny in your skin (maybe cancer) and ignoring it because it doesn't hurt in any way (YET).

and am I?

​@@user-os4lj3pi4q As a subgroup flat earthers are totally harmless like the crystal wearing horoscope trusting other interpretations of observable reality out there. They are the distrustful inverse of the part of population that went positively militant with trust the science without critical thinking or understanding how it actually works or what could go horribly wrong. A good part of humanity is just following groupthink and *that* is the real danger here.

@@user-os4lj3pi4q yeah ? why do you care so much ? we have proof but yall cry everytime we bring them lmao boohoo nasa didnt lie to me all my life, hundreds of times

You don't need to get technical with them. They can't even comprehend a sunset.

You can test curvature of the ground why towers get shorter before They get smaller Tower . Traffic lights behind other traffic lights are visible

You don’t understand psychology, which I don’t mean as an insult. It’s not about physical facts. It’s about emotions

These people will literally refuse to accept reality if it doesn't fit their preconceived notions. Not that reality gives a damn either way.

It's usually people who believe in other conspiracies, have distrust of the government and anything they don't understand. Being part of a group and having an external reason why things are bad can be comforting to people.

Drones are in on it.

The population of flat earthers is utterly insignificant. It's like a certain group of people who think they are not who they've been born as. Its a tiny fraction of people and yet we are expected to accomodate it and have the one correct opinion on it. Personally I don't think they matter that much. Let people be wrong. The only reason you know they exist is because it's a click inducing topic. So dumb you just cant help but be fascinated by it. In reality its just a drop in a bucket.

@@YellowKing1986We are not expected to accomodate flat earthers. They are flat out wrong. We should be expected to accommodate transgender individuals, because that’s not about belief it’s about survival and wellbeing.

You know, maybe saying this would mean something if we didnt just spend multiple years of scientists and the public regurgitating whatever their phones and TV screens said about covid.

@@declandougan7243 But we are expected to accomodate other cultist believers, like transhumanist ideas. It's interesting about why is that the case with some, and not with others. Why is it that so many people who aren't part of their weird niche community are thinking about, talking about and making videos and consuming videos about it? It's a curiosity. It's weird adn bizzare thing you notice because it stands out. It doesn't tell you anything interesting about people as whole. Other than that some people are just into some weirdness. And it has no impact on your life, if you don't let it happen.

@@GusOfTheDorks Exactly, the term "conspiracy theory" or "misinformation" lacks any substance. It's not saying anything about the quality or validity of information.

Dave is a professor of Squat.Professor Plum has a higher acceptance level and not a paid FE Debunker.

@@ronpapi9539Stop talking like a toddler. Both of these individuals are infinitely more credible than the vomit you said.

​@@ronpapi9539Stop talking like a toddler.

@@DrWiki-po1hk Ptofessor Plum is a paid Debunker.Enough said.

Ah, good one! I’ll use that.

It works on some models. The best part about flat earth is that they don't agree with each other, and there is a solution to every single problem - though half there models only solve a single problem

As the sun starts going under the rim, it can illuminate the undersides of the clouds. This happens just before it passes the four elephants that are supporting the Disc. Then, iirc, it also passes beneath great A'Tuin the giant turtle that supports the elephants. But I'm a little unclear about that last part.

@@MelodicTurtleMetal Any flat earth model that allows the Sun to be shining upwards on the bottom of clouds does not have light travelling in straight lines, so a flat earth would seem to be a curved surface. Claiming that the earth is flat, because it looks curved is an indefensible argument.

@@charredbirchguy2349 After that it's turtles all the way down

The problem I suspect is that many would come out as quite intelligent on a Stanford-Binet IQ test. There's something else going on here; people with an IQ of less than say 70 just wouldn't be able to work out what the flat earth debate was about, because it would be too abstract for them.

​@@anotherfreediver3639 No butt remember those betwen 70 and 80! Nott officialy handicaped but to stupid for the modern jobb market. I bett your typical flatt earther lies att 75 points.

@@anotherfreediver3639 A few seconds into this video you can see a real

@@anotherfreediver3639 The "something else" is exemplified in when at a failed Qanon event, as people started to leave someone shouted "don't leave! remember when we were alone!" These people just want there to be others (that either already do, or have been tricked by them) to be in the same boat of willful ignorance as them. Reality, much less science, moved beyond their understanding, and they gave up even trying to understand it. They just don't want to be the only one believing in the lies they've made up for themselves to explain how reality should actually be something it isn't.

​@anotherfreediver3639 narcissism.

or 4. People that trust the evidence in the environment over the opinions of people. Have you ever made your own observations to confirm the radius value over the surface of a large body of water? You will discover that no geometric horizon exists. The horizon is optical. That is a big problem for people that like to feel special by making lists about other people that they feel superior to.

You nailed it, bravo!

@@postgalactic _" You will discover that no geometric horizon exists. The horizon is optical. "_ wrong and stupid, child. the horizon is the tangent of the observers view of the curvature of the earth. the fact that horizon can have refraction is irrelevant to it's existence. it's trivially easy to verify the spherical size and shape of the earth with nothing more than high school level math. smart people figured it out more than two millennia ago. today it's kids level stuff. maybe you can find someone to help you.

Postgalactic appears to be in category 3. The first rule of Dunning-Kruger club is: you don't know you're in the Dunning-Kruger club. You don't need a body of water to "measure the curve" and determine the radius of the Earth. You don't even need to be able to see the horizon. All you need is a clear line of sight of a few hundred meters, and the right measuring equipment. Oh, and the ability to do trigonometry.

@@JohnVJay That's all YOU need and look how far it's taken you! If the Earth is a sphere then there will be measurable spherical decline as you move away from a static observer. That's a geometric obligation and indeed a horizon must form for the observer according to that requirement. You might not like those facts but they can be tested against - and the globe doesn't hold up very well.

exactly

Ask a flat-earther to call the earth a disc instead of flat. Most won't because the earth is flat from the surface, but not from space.

Yes you can, this is one of those cute little sayings that people just accept, like, fight fire with fire. You absolutely should not attempt to fight fire with more fire, it will definitely get worse. And similarly, it’s much easier to convince someone that a completely unreasonable idea that they never thought through is unreasonable than one where someone actually spent time reasoning, but got it wrong somehow. A wrong idea born of flawed reasoning or bad data is by far much harder to reason out of.

and that's religion for you - and let's face it, apart from the folk at the top of religious organizations that know full well it's a scam to have power of people - and accumulate vast amounts of wealth, everyone else is believing a whole load of stuff with zero evidence - by all means have an open mind about possibilities, but to attend church or some other building with others and do what a bloke - and it is usually a bloke, tells you what to do - just another human with often very few qualifications or sign of real intelligence - is quite remarkable, but it usually involved your time and money and being subservient. All the while the hypocrisy of those at the top of those religious institutions IS just laughable - hoarding vast amounts of wealth, whilst telling us the meek will inherit the Earth - wakey wakey folk!!!

Galileo was prosecuted for heliocentrism, nothing changed much since those times - majority of people, regardless of education, would build their world-view on belief, not on evidence or critical thinking. Simply because actual thinking and providing proofs to oneself requires quite an effort and curiosity. Many scientist are also rather followers than sceptics.

nevermind the stupidity of science-deniers

All you need to do is ask why they would go to the trouble. How does it benefit them? I've never talked to one who can answer that.

​@@Toxicpoolofreekingmascul-lj4ydto sell more globes xd

@@Toxicpoolofreekingmascul-lj4yd They'll probably just tell you it's so they can spread the chemtrails further! 😂😂

For the same reason they pay a woman that just have a baby even when she is not working: the government forces them (great in the case of the woman). That is why Dr. Hossenfelder's type of argument: see this works, is more powerful.

That can't even explain sunsets.

Or con-men prey on them.

so true. instead, there are some fields where proving some bs wrong is basically impossible or very hard (for many reasons), including one of Sabines lovers: fusion.

At this point I am starting to be convinced flat earthers exist solely as a psyop to make anyone who questions anything look absolutely stupid and insane.

Exactly like Dem Party voters ...Flat Earthers are fact immune.

Ask them how eclipses work. The answers are most hilarious.

Actually, you can't use facts against them or probably even the arguments. Only one will remain eligible at the end: the problem of which model is more absurd. I've argued with the russian community back in 2018 end to beginning of 2019. They just come up with some magic always. They'll bring out any magical, absurd hypothesis that can contradict their other assumptions only for the earth to remain flat.