Why Genshin is Less Generous Than Star Rail 

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TIGHNARI AND QIQI. THEY WON'T COME HOME 😭

@@fidelmendez8404 Literally bellow you there's someone who doesn't have tighnari/qiqi...

I've been Playing since day one, the one character that I want is Jean I still don't have her.

I only have lost my 50/50 to 3 of the standard banner 5 star and in total I only have 4 standard banner 5 star characters

You forgot, for the ONLY signature weapon, there is no double banner garbage.

Idk bout that, still feels like 50:50 to me, i keep losing on LC banner

​@@bayuyasutora7539 At least you're not spending 240 tickets for a weapon 😂

@@fuumaruu7486but then again Genshin players “rarely” get a weapon as an effect. Star Rail on the other hand “temps” players to try and pull every single character banner. 😂

@@banir3736yeah, because we’re given the currency to attempt so. Vs genshin where filler patches give in the low 50’s for pulls

hes also REALLY good with the new relic set thats coming out in 2.0 and he's overall just a really good unit unlike aloy.

Also, him being free has converted some skippers into pulling for his lc because they’re getting him anyways. Hoyo is being big brain

"more synergy with upcoming units" sorry but this is just wrong because he already has great synergy with old units, in fact his best support/sub-dps is Topaz since her proof of debt is counted as debuff and her passive increases his follow up damage.

​@@CurseOxuin"more synergy" doesn't mean "no synergy" friend 😅

@@kilonoviaa She/he said *MORE* synergy with new units my guy. that's why it's wrong, because his best synergy is already in the game right now.

And it wasn't fully "gave away" but behind a social media requirement for it to be earned.

Correct, being the only gacha game that only give out 10 pull for an anniversary meanwhile other gachas are doing 3x more than that is what pissed people off

The problem with anniversary was that it was a downgraded lantern rite.

One of the reasons why I don't play gacha games anymore. Dangerous temptation and kinda feels not worth it.. Please don't roast me, just wanna share an opinion. But I really like the character design and lores from Genshin Impact and Honkai Star Rail

I've been a fan of Mihoyo since HI3rd launch, and one of the things that made me love them were how generous they were with everything during HI3rd... going from that to Genshin was pretty shocking. HSR feels more true to their original form IMO. That said I still feel like Genshin was an overall good just because while HI3rd was good, Genshin blew up in popularity, and kinda announced to the world that it was time to stop making low effort dung-quality games for mobile. I think it basically made all the mobile game devs step up their game somewhat.

Honkai is giving away plenty of pulls and a free 5* on the second day for new players while getting free stuff from genshin is like pulling teeth.

Well we call it S class Valkyrie in HI3, but yes it is equal to 5 star character but to be fair most of S class Valkyrie that are given most likely old S class Valkyrie which some of them is power crepted by newer valkryie even some of older OP valkryie now are grindable to get because it get power crepted. For crystal I can't say they give a lot since 10 pulls in HI3 is equal to 2800 instead of 1600, so in the end it's pretty much the same even when I first time hop into genshin I think genshin are little bit more generous on the primogems, why? Because unlike genshin that you can make your character OP without pulling weapon, in HI3 the gap for pulling only character without their respective weapon and stigma are quite big because in HI3 there are no artifact system and most likely the stats and passive from stigma are the one that affecting character builds. (Sorry for the long comment, I am HI3 player since it come out and sometimes I have complain for HI3 too)

​@@kuskusdikus6014HI3 gives out like 2-3 S-rank every year on average iirc. There's always one on the anniversary and one during Chinese new year and then they'll also usually give another one out for some event.

@@triopsate3 Thats good to know, I only atarted playing it yesterday.

The generosity with Hi3 can’t really be compared to Genshin, because most of the valkeries Hi3 gives are pretty power crept. In Hi3, if you don’t have the charater’s signature weapon and stigma, your often pretty weak. Genshin, even without the signature weapon, you can make a character good. Also Hi3 requires 2800 crystals for a 10 pull

To be fair honkai impact gives a huge amount of “fragile resin”

@@JaydenAi It really doesn't amount to that much if you are also trying to farm. If you're new and eager to play the story it runs out very fast. First few days playing after unlocking farming I didn't realize this. I would farm first because that's what you do in Genshin and SR and realized I needed stamina to actually play the story (you also get less stamina in the beginning?!?!). Genshin does has level caps but honestly I explored so much that that was never an issue. I'd rather have 160 resin a day than the 220 stamina I had to use for the most recent HI3 chapter I played through (because who plays half a chapter per sit through?!?!)

"imagine having to use resin to do Archon Quest" I'm having Tears of Themis (another Hoyoverse game) flashbacks, since their main story require using stamina to unlock.

sheesh dont remind me of that... im still at the roughly middle point of part 1 in hi3rd... stamina drain SO FAST at the story missions. being able to do the archon quests in a non-stop marathon is a blessing. i can basically farm some materials and do like 3 stages in honkai impact before im out of stamina, its insane.

see this is only "half true", earlier Honkai 3rd chapters are stamina expensive yes because it was just that era of gacha games etc. since "A Shooting Star Streaking Across the Night" which covers the Arc City chapters, it started getting cheaper then "Thus Spoke Apocalypse", "To The Flawless" and "The Day Transcending Finality" didn't cost anything while also being loooooooong. The issue isn't so much that Stamina is too low as much as it is they didn't account for people starting 2-3years+ after the fact and trying to catch up. Sure they could probably go back and change it but older stages are also tied to farming frags for older battlesuits etc.

They do reruns of missed characters quite soon after they've gone too so even that FOMO isn't that bad imo

Yeahh, I wish they add reserved trailblaze power, but even then it drains very quickly. Not that I'm complaining I just hope hoyo adds something like this in genshin

So real.

@EulaLover1400 It helps returning players stay. If it wasn't for that overflowing power that build up. I would have logged in saw how behind I was and just dropped the game again.

genuinely. i don’t have the ability to do some farming consistently over multiple days. i have time 1 day every now and then so i have to like,, cram-farm. which works well with hsr but the amount of unbuilt characters i have in genshin is just sad :/

im so happy for ratio because my only imag unit is yukong and i really dont want to build her lmao

That makes no sense this applies to genshin too.

That is completely irrelevant, Genshin requires you to have certain elements too against certain enemies and they still have yet to even give their players at least a free standard 5 star after 3 whole years. The fact is that SR just has a better management team period.

@@ItachiflameamaterasuGenshin has way more leeway as far as story is concerned. Meanwhile, there is much less wiggle in HSR (see also: My recent vid on Phantylia)

@@EulaLover1400 Star rail is still a really new game, I'm sure itll have genshin level variety in teams later on

Is Sucrose still meta? I stopped playing a couple years ago, and she had been largely power crept by Venti and Kazuha.

is it bad, tho? like, sure, we have only some characters that are truly strong out of 5* in genshin, but imo - good lore, good character interactions and ability to do all content with characters you truly love wins against powercreep that is happening in hsr, especially with how shallow at some points the story been in there as well, and the game just started.

​@@watchwood I think venti, kazuha, and sucrose are just similar characters that have better performance in certain strats, sucrose is better for teams that would like the EM buff, kazuha for teams where elemental damage bonus is better, and venti to decimate ventiable enemies. In their general role as VV holders they're pretty much interchangeable. As long as kazuha is meta sucrose is meta in my opinion (I have both of them)

@@watchwoodventi is the character that does not help you to clear faster, he helps you to deal with the content you already clear with less effort. Sucrose and kazuha are similar in value and in a lot of teams sucrose is better, than him

@@watchwood sucrose and kazuha are around the same, with them just having different strengths and weaknesses but they end up to be around the same level

Blame Cai Haoyu.

They're greedy and stingy

@@shrimp.thursday agreed. Just look at the price of their skins. That's pure greed.

@@SasukeTheCursed COUGH * 500 dollar ahri skin* COUGH

genshin is definetly not the first gacha game to exist or be popular

@@huejanus1333 he meant a gatcha open world game

@@huejanus1333 Genshin is a pioneer for Open World Gacha ARPG. Star Rail exists alongside a sea of turn based gacha rpg, with exploration over a semi openworld area being the unique thing that sets it apart from the rest

@@huejanus1333its the first game of its kind. High end open world anime gacha game. All platforms except switch. Its mobile. Its actually a quality game.

Switch players waiting their tenth year to finally get that game: ​@@Waffle-dog

ayup, thats how gacha turn-based rpg's operate, frankly, in comparison to genshin. genshin relies mostly on your skill - hsr (and other such games) relies on your wallet and how much you can afford grinding while game actively will bar you from grinding. which, as you could imagine - isnt really fun or good game design, yet people wank on it being superior and dunk on genshin for not doing the same hoops and sticks up the players arses, because god forbid players want to have a good time in a game, instead of earning hemorrhoids'.

​@@SorarikoMotoneI disagree with HSR taking less skill. While I prefer genshin's combat due to the elemental reactions and giving me more freedom of movement allowing me to avoid enemy hits. Turn based combat still involves lots of strategizing and learning the mechanics of the game, the enemies and the characters. I do agree that it's stupid how often some people declare HSR objectively better in every aspect even though everything excluding QoL and Generosity is typically based on personal opinion. I also hate how many HSR players constantly shit on genshin players for hardcore defending their game even though they often ignore the issues with the relic system and other aspects that still need work because "at least it's better than genshin" and thus doesn't need any changes

​@SorarikoMotone In Razor terms, Genshin= Hand/eye skill HSR = brain

@@I.disagree hsr is horrible compared to other TB games Even 30 years ago we had better mechanics And hoyo can’t have it both ways Either they increase the number of abilities and options during battle or the game will slowly but surely devolve into a grinding powercreep filled void without any real gameplay other than story (which is bad after the catastrophe that was the Xianzhou) I would love for them to actually do something about the turn based cuz now it’s literally just press skill or NA depending on how many Skill points you have and burst every time it’s available For now it’s just not good enough for me I need depth with my turn based 😔

@@I.disagree 100% agree.

Not the same developer, but rather same company. Different dev teams, that's the issue. I miss liking genshin... it was so much fun back when I was enjoying it. And I was REALLY enjoying it. It was a magical experience. Now I have memories and awesome playlists 😅

hsr isnt "winning" tho. its much easier to add to an empty plate than to a full one, not to mention that hsr literally has dozens upon dozens of competitors, some of which actually do a better job at qol and marketing as well (hello r:1999). nor is ratio is that much of a win, especially since the game, even outside of endgame, asks for aoe dps more, so for how long he will be useful - only time knows.

You are a clown keep on crying and enjoying 160 resin

It’s not the same devs… Honkai is Honkai.. (I think it’s closer to hi3 devs not genshin lol)

HSR isn't really "winning". Everything that was added to Genshin after HSR's release was done better than HSR. It only wins in rewards department which... Yeah, Genshin can get away with giving out less

Supporting this: While solo is possible, it is very painful because genshin team comps benefit from either reactions or in the case of anemo/geo looping with the most buffs possible, but I see the point and it still is understandable. The problem with core gameplay is that because effective damage in genshin is so closely tied to reactions, most people don't diversify even if there are more characters in the same role (the only exception I can think of with this is yelan and xingqiu where they are treated like an extra copy of the other and can be used in the second half team for abyss). More proof that these are games played completely differently: fu xuan and dehya... their kits are very similar yet dehya is seen as a 5* dud while fu xuan is broken. Though this isn't only an issue with core gameplay it's also diversity: compare to SR where as long as you can kill it with auto, any team should work (oversimplifying). This can be solved with freebies too, currently genshin alternates with their free 4* with either a character or a weapon. Characters from 1.0 should be excluded since the shop hasn't changed in 3 years, but aside from that I think genshin should focus more on their 4* cast and make them idk good? Sara and Faruzan can't realistically be used unless they are C6 which is a tall order for someone who doesn't pull because they fell for drip marketing, leaks, or simply not liking the rate up 5*. I think just giving more 4*, even if someone won't use them until C6, will be more effective than an event weapon that'll be forgotten until someone uses it to gauge how old an account is like it's carbon dating. This is likely the reason why people enjoy Lantern Rite so much, players are given their choice to pick from a (liyue) 4* they either don't have or one they desperately need constellations for.

because mechanics tied around these chars are not very synergistic ... you really dont want a barbra as your hydro applyer for your yanfei ... will it work YES ... will it feel like shit ALSO YES@@Silver-Arrow

Exactly this. I've been getting multiple 5*s in HSR left and right meanwhile I'm barely getting my favourite characters in Genshin because of the amount of primos they're giving per patch...

less map chests and chests giving more primos would be a way to go. Otherwise just making the map worth exploring by making the primos in quests, and the quests go all over the map. But searching for hidden chests is extremely fucking annoying because in other games, this bitches give you high tier equipment, in genshin they give you 1/10 of a fucken roll.

​@@Silver-Arrow speaking about giving more free 4* characters, they're finally giving us a free Gorou instead of a Bennett or Xingqiu for once (our first free geo character not on the lantern rite choice pool)

Perfectly said

You don't like what I like? Well I don't like what you like! We're enemies now. - Shen Zu, The Art of War, 5th Century BC

finally someone who gets it

That, and general entitlement for free things. It'd be like expecting a music artist to give out free albums because they won a Grammy or an Oscar-winning actor/actress giving our free tickets to his/her next film because he/she won an Oscar. The only community that has this entitled mentality is the modern gaming community, and I have noticed it has started because of casuals/people who don't typically game. Like the first anniversary thing was so petty, and especially ridiculous/laughable were the people who seriously thought cookie run was going to overtake Genshin/were telling people to play it instead, despite it being a completely different game/boring as fuck, just because their rewards were free lol. Yeah it's nice to get free stuff, but you're not entitled to it. HSR despite the hubbub around its launch has greatly struggled to maintain player attention and it is pretty much a dead game at this point, despite riding on Genshin's coattails in being the first game released right after it. Honkai just doesn't have that much of an interesting story, the characters are bland, and generally the style of the game isn't as appealing as Genshin's. They have great graphics, but that's about it, and a nice-looking game isn't worth very much if there's no content/story. Yes, it won best upcoming game, but it had some Hello Kitty Island game as its competition, come on lmao. Genshin won best ongoing game, which is a lot harder to do, especially being the pioneer re: Hoyoverse having an international presence. HI3 has a very dedicated fan base, but it's pretty small becaus that game just isn't as appealing (it's made for men who like yuri, HSR has tried to diversify by actually including male characters, but their designs aren't as good as Genshin husbandos, sorry.) If Dr. Ratio were in Genshin, he'd be extremely mid compared to Chad designs like Dottore and Zhongli. He's not ugly or anything but he's also not incredibly hot, he's just a generically handsome anime guy.

True

HSR is moving at lightspeed in both good and bad aspects, they made a killing job with some banners but they also dropped really hard compared to how long it took Genshin to get low banner sales, the google classroom incident shouldn't have happened but not because players weren't entitled to be mad. Hoyoverse (Mihoyo back then) asked daddy google to remove the bad reviews from Genshin, why do you care about your game just at that point? if you're getting review bombed then fix the problem first then ask for it to be rolled back, I didn't participate because I already gave it a 1* rating due to optimization problems and mine got removed as well, the anniversary was underwhelming, didn't feel like a celebration and honestly Hoyoverse sucks at communicating with their players, Hoyo games were review bombed because Hoyo failed and Google classroom got review bombed because they dipped their hand on the hot oil. I'm not saying we as players are entitled to free stuff, but don't spam the shit out of every social media platform with an anniversary just to give 10 gems to 1000 players, don't go around thinking that you're already being generous when this game already skips regular holidays in favor of in game events that ain't fixed and regular, don't act like the anniversary is important to you just to give scraps and call it a feast. I love how we get a fixed amount of gems per patch and people go around thinking Hoyo is extremely generous when that thing is an incentive to play, I wouldn't be playing if getting something for free wasn't possible (even tho I can whale for characters regularly), don't act like 100$ to not even secure a character is decent when they release 4 per patch, don't cheat yourself into thinking that a 10 pull is extremely generous because they value that shit at 30$ Hoyo has a game so good that you can look away as they do their players dirty. Genshin has an expiration date and 3 years after the release they realized that keeping players in might be a decent idea, for the first time in 3 years I can say I'm glad with the QoL we got, just that it shoudln't have took them 3 years but wtv, I'm just sad that it will take them 3 more years to realize that people may want to be able to play the 76 soon 77 character and counting they have and once the story is done there's just a single place to do so, ONCE! every TWO WEEKS!!! the point of this last part is that the game can't seem to pick a lane, are characters important? then give them a reason to exist, they aren't? then maybe try being a little less stingy. I actually consider Genshin players quite tame if you consider how horrible Hoyo behaves towards them, I've never felt like such a inconvenience in any other game, is like they're actively trying to get people to quit.

From what I know genshin and honkai star rail have different dev teams

bro hsr making the same or more money than genshin lol

Yeah these are exactly my thoughts. Freebies aren't just to pull players back but to entice new ones in, and some of those new ones are gonna be existing gacha players. How many people look at their GBF or FGO accounts, think "good enough", and don't start HSR? Whereas if you wanna play an open world gacha your choices are play Genshin, or wait for the competitors (which will probably start coming this year with Wuthering Waves). HSR is successful of course, but no successful game underestimates its competition.

Genshin’s marketing team is also insane. The lengths they go to for collaborations to get their products out there surpasses even the likes of Disney, especially these days.

​@@ayag.8306yeah their marketing tactics are insane they hire WHOLE orchestras to play their soundtrack, anime conventions are filled with genshin cosplayers, they do irl events for charities and other stuff just because genshin doesnt give freebies doesnt mean the game will "flop" bro when you have no competition for your genre its so easy to keep player retention, fontaine and sumeru got me hooked

i play genshin, hsr and gbf, among many other gacha games for... 9 years already total. all i can say is - over-generosity in these games isnt exactly a good thing. its either to entice players, or... to hide something. for gbf - its a major banner bloat, for hsr and hi3 - constant powercreep (less for hsr but i'm afraid it soon will reach that point too) and the game strong-arming you into having characters you dont want, but need because of them making even the content casuals are supposed to be able to finish harder and harder. and so to keep the playerbase playing, they do this. not to mention that most of these qol are ones that make games like hsr literally unplayable because all the game has is.... grind. genshin has, in comparison, a lot of things to do.

@@SorarikoMotone not to mention hsr has a pretty bad story overall i mean their world building is pretty good but general story building in the loufu is disgustingly bad

Yea because the game is for baby

@@shutup1037😂

This is the situation of genshin being TOO easy. Positive for beginners but negative for Old players since the hardest challenge in the game (12A) Can littearly be solo'ed by a good build Dps

​@@shutup1037😂 bro

​@@shutup1037 Huh. Then for a baby game, it's a rather successful one regardless. Also, I don't think baby games depict an instance of suicide, the reality of mortality, mass genocide of an entire tribe, etc.

That's a thought that was bouncing around my head too lol. It's extremely unlikely though it would be hype if it happened.

It's legally can't happen. But here is the problem, now starail anniversary reward is put up on such a high regard if it wont be what people expecting there will be a riot.

I'm actually intrigued on how would the devs do with the rewards in their anniversary since with how much generous this game is players would expect so much for the anniv and what would happen if the devs did not meet the players expectations

If you think that HSR wont get a 5-star selector for the anniversary, you are crazy. You are awfully unaware of how much 5 star characters HYV gives out in HI3. Seeing the trend on how they rewards players within the Honkai title, I’d say its a guarantee

There is already some datamining and leaks that suggest a 5* selector for HSR anniversary. The only thing we don't know yet is whether it's standard only or if it includes limited characters.

the toxic positivity crew also has a few screws loose it seems

@@toukoenriaze9870 True that, no idea how people can stick up for the game

It's not happening. Because you all fail to realize the difference between the games. Other gachas are prone to powercreep, but genshin? National team is plenty still strong and even the free characters like Kaeya, Lisa, Collei, Traveler, and noelle are good, even now, when you put sufficient effort into them. They give free five stars because they NEED to to keep players engaged and not frustrated. Its a need, not a generosity. I see so many people kiss the boots of much more predatory games just because they give free five stars once a year or smthng. I quit HSr because it didn't interest me and recently went back and it's so much more of a pain with just starters than Genshin could ever be. Especially since I raised my equilibrium without prefarming. Just pain and suffering.

wuthering waves is also a hoyo game, right? or was i mistaken?

Copium

​@@donatellingno it's from Kurogames

Genshin will likely never face real competition. There’s absolutely no incentive for them to give any handouts when clearly the player base won’t leave. The only problem I see is the barrier for new players as they have no manner to build new characters even if they do have a level 90 party. Genshin might “fix” that but nothing else will be better.

I completely agree though I do believe power creep is a bit of non issue considering all the unites after jingliu and dan havent had damage close to them but rather intresting kits like topaz and ratio and argenti

Power creep is not that much of an issue dw about it. They're not unusable, they'll just have a bit of slower clear time than before or compared to the new character

Right. I dont feel any fomo for pulling any new characters in genshin anymore. Im fine if XL is my fire sub dps forever lol. Whereas I feel like the characters I have in star rail is not enough. Character/team bldg is the biggest aspect of turn based games whereas Im pretty much happy with my current characters while exploring genshin. Havent pulled a single fontaine character lmao. Of course, I'd probably feel the same way with HSR probably after 2-3 years.

The fact I've geared more characters in star rail than in genshin makes more think star rail is easier and quicker. Yes no offpiece but the offpiece in genshin is often the goblet. The equivalent in Star Rail drops a lot more percentage wise, so there's more chance to get your orb and element of choice. You can get a bit pickier with your subs unlike the goblet in genshin where if you get 1 sub you're happy.

and then you forgot about how genshin time gates their artifacts and character mats and "have to wait" for monday, wednesday or even sunday. Where as starrail doesn't do that goofy sh*t, so cope hard kid.

"In terms of materials they give the same" that's totally false just from the energy system HSR have more with 240, if u only farming relics that day, u get 12 5* compare to 8 in Genshin and per week in HSR u get double the Genshin. That's just flat out wrong

genshin don't timegate artifacts domains bro, only character talents and weapon ascension materials and it's not even that important, since from 1.0 genshin kinda tell the players to slow down with how they design their contents. Also, in genshin you dont need to be strong as early as star rail, underleveled or worst build possible still can clear most contents thanks to elemental reaction. @@meme_lover.69

So much ignorance and lack of awareness is wild. Specially that last paragraph is just filled with the most delusional babbling I've read in a while now. U can try to apply all the contentious logic u want to help u cope. It's ok. We get it. You're a genshin stan, you don't have to prove anything.

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Return of the king

Yippie!!

and Scara cos :D

Cope

The wall thing hits home. I lucked out getting Welt from the starter banner and I started during Luochas banner so I had him as well as Yukong. Imaginary enemies were never a problem. Ice on the other hand has been a bear to deal with because I was told not to build Herta (bad advice, build everyone in this game. Everyone!) March is okay at freezing stuff but not nessisairily breaking and my Plela suffers from bad artifact RNG so she has never performed well for me. And since I refuse to spend on this game and pull for units I like, I never pulled Jinglu, nor d I have dying sword boy, so yeah the wall is real.

“As much as I want them to give one I can’t really say they have the need to” that right there is the problem if you don’t tell them what they doing is wrong. You basically letting them taking advantage of you. This is no different than getting wrongfully arrested admitting your guilt when you have the right to speak out.

As if HSR doesn’t also give a free 4* every other patch lol

only the difference is - hsr 4* are trash in comparison to 4* in genshin. genshin characters are just more... versatile.@@mason3111

this is different HI3 always gave out more shit. even at the start when the game was a literal scam since you needed to gacha to LV UP weapons you already had pulled in gacha. later this upgrade material became abundant for free. but even that the start HI3 gave tons of free skins. i played the first summer even soon after launch and got 4 bikinis for free and only 1 skin of the 5 was a paid one.(also funny how those bikinis are nos soft banned since other players cannot see them if you play coop with them and they cant see them in the characters available skins.) love himeko in a thing black bikini. honkai gave more free skins away in the first 1 o 2 year than genshin has total skins. also all 4 stars in HI3 are FREE you get them for free and farm them to C6 or E6 for free over 3 months. and they also give a ton of 5 stars for free new and old. if genshin was like this venti and zhongli would both be free by now. also in Hi3 I got all the characters in the game. as a 5$ monthly player with all older 5 star now C6 from farming.

@@lucaskp16 not gonna mention how all those free characters typically need their signature gear to not feel like shit in endgame grinding? no? ok lol typical honkai player that doesnt speak on the shit powercreep and what not.

@@justsomeguy727 here is the diff. in hi3 abyss has rankings. i was in myriad abyss that pretty much req you yo pull almost every character all full gear I didn't so I went up there and right down next abyss. but for the second tier red lotus I could do everything easy with characters pull as a 12 USD monthly player of bp+montlypass. and for a tier down from there you could just be free 2 play. not the difference in crystal from the tiers was not that big. 520 top 500 second and 460 third 420 fourth where enemies where weak as fuck. the diff between tier is big like a 3x in hp of enemies. so the diff between buying every character full gear and pulling all the characters with almost no gear was 100 crystal. but the game was more generous I played at the star so I have the now ban for new players old bikinis. but quit because it was a shit experience unless you spend a lot and because I was still playing GGZ their previous game at the time. then came back with eva event release and from that point forward in less than 2 years I got every single character in the game and most of them with full fear. skipping only bait characters that where unnecessary for abyss like future adult bronya. but end up getting her and her gear later on anyway and pulling for other weapons and stigmas got her full gear.

All the rewards in Star Rail are locked behind fun endgame content that actually challenges the characters that you have built. In Genshin, after you explore everything and collected every single chest and time trial, there is jack shit to do. People say "play other games" but that evades the fact that Genshin has no other content at all. While HSR is chock full of endgame content.

You still get less rewards even after clearing everything in Genshin, and those reward’s don’t take you as far. An F2P player can’t even dream of pulling for a 5* character every patch in Genshin, let alone a weapon, while in HSR you can easily grab a 5* character every single patch, and even F2Ps have some signature Light Cones to their name. The experience of exploring the world is a big part of the reward in Genshin, but the tangible rewards are seriously lacking.

@@paulyvii Dude some of us LOATH "endgame" content. Genshin was literally made with that audience in mind. It's the reason why I don't go around saying Star Rail is a crappy game because it lacks exploration and story and I don't like MOC and SU. I'm NOT it's target audience, and it sounds like you are. Not everything has to be made with you in mind.

@@mason3111 I have 2 Genshin accounts, one F2p, where I limit my pulls. With only 8 limited 5 stars (in a year of playing I have a small fortune in unused primos) and only free stuff I can still clear abyss easily and have been for over 6 months. You don't need a new 5 star every patch in Genshin in order to stay competitive. On my other account I've literally gotten sick of pulling new units and building them (62 characters and all but 5 or 6 are built). Meanwhile, on my Star Rail account I have NOT been able to pull a 5 star every patch because I can't access much of the endgame rewards. Sometimes I can't even get all the event jades. The only signature 5 star light cones I have are from the standard banner. I can barely 3 star floor7 of MoC. You might think SR is more generous than Genshin but they are about the same. The difference is the player and how well they are able or willing to access the game.

I'm always surprised at the amount of players who's worlds I spawn into and they have 0 exploration done (not even exagerating). I'm ar 60 so I'm mostly getting paired with ar 50 and up. I'm like" you haven't explored ANYTHING not even Monstat?" And the answer I get is "I hate exploring." "It's marketed as an open world game though..."

It is boring to play the same characters in any gacha tho. In my experience the lack of currency to pull for different characters made me quit a lot of stingy gachas. It certainly made me quit Genshin in literally one month and play Star Rail since its release every day 😂

@@Lusc1nt That's just Gacha for you, they're fun until you run into the clear issues with them. So either you stick it out for loads of things you like, or you just don't bother.

I'm a collector so I do my best to get them all, except Xiao. I don't like his attitude~

@@carlamariecadizon9101 Xiao's goated ;-; - play in JP or CN if you wanna hear a different attitude

@@KindaMad958its fine. its all the same character anyway, not withstanding the dub. Besides, Kazuha's skill is way suited for my playstyle.

Genshin released 2 new 5 stars in its first 4 patches. 1.4 had no new 5 stars. 1.5 had Eula and 1.6 had Kazuha. 2.0 and 2.1 had 2 new 5 stars each.

Someone didn't check his facts.

Interesting take! I find that building a character is often the thing that gives me the motivation to even play the game, which is why I've loved Star Rail making and giving so many unique characters to build around. Currently soooo looking forward for Dr. Ratio as i realized that with Ruan Mei and Welt, and perhaps someone like Asta for extra speed, I might be able to make a comp that is sustainless, just barraging enemies with slow while i constantly speed up.

@@battle188883 I’m just comparing how I felt when I first started genshin (1.3/ 1.4) vs star rail (1.0). When I played genshin at the start, I could get away with just using my 4 characters for the whole gameplay (except abyss). I only started building other characters when I wanted to get serious with abyss and that was like maybe 5 patches after I started genshin With star rail, at the start I was already given a lot of characters to build. I couldn’t also just get away with only using just 4 characters cause if I did then it would take forever to kill story bosses. So I spend my trail blaze power on materials and relics for more characters than I ever had to do with genshin

@@battle188883 and oh! I don’t mind having to build characters, it does make a game fun… I just feel overwhelmed by the amount star rail has and then the power creeps that’s coming in I’m glad for the free Dr Ratio too but I’m dreading the building of him ngl hahaha xD (I’m still trying to build my argenti)

@@rikkuree @rikkuree ooh I got it! And yeah I can understand that sentiment, you do need quite a few more characters in HSR so yeah it could suck having to build all of em, I get that. I was super excited to have more Quantum DPS options with Xueyi but then realizing how I'd have to build her made me delay that haha. Good luck on your relics! Hope RNGesus goes your way a bit more!

​@@battle188883but doesn't it get tedious having materials locked behind bosses and time gated domains. Started Genshin in 4.2 and the amount of times where I needed a Material only to find out its only available on tuesday made me lose my mind. In HSR, I only focused on 4 units as well before tackling MoC. Welt, Tingyun, Natasha, Fire MC. That team made Belobog and Xianzhou a breeze. It was only after tackling MoC that I realized the need to diversify and build more units. Building my original team wasn't a priority till I wanted to tackle MoC. The Story gives you lots of materials to progress, they was no need to farm at all.

I mean that event was supposed to be the main content of the update. Imagine if it was really short and could be completed in an hour then you had to wait 6 weeks to get more 💀

@@shslborger6895 its not just one event, all permanent events are like that.

Watch out the HSR fan boys will call you a Genshin HYV bootlicker for speaking the truth

Plus with the complexity of Genshin as a game, its 4-star characters tend to feel like the 5-star characters you find in other games. You're not just getting a PNG with the standard single target skill and all target skill with a slightly different debuff, you're getting a three dimensional unit with dynamic combat value including movement, positioning and timing, plus non-combat use cases such as exploration tools or puzzle solving tools, plus the basic fun of being able to run around with the character in an open world. The only downside with Genshin here is that a lot of the character designs are a bit lacklustre, if Genshin had the design quality of HSR, the 4-stars would feel like 6-stars.

people who call more free shit "generosity" are just addicts anyway lol it's literally the free food samples experiment. oh this place gave me more free samples than that one? must mean they care about me as a customer more. like no, they just want you to shop at their food establishment over the competition's LMAO and people really do fall for it every time. the perfect psychological bait.

@@yurisei6732 meh , hsr designs dont grab me all the time either so idk how true that is. both can be very hit or miss. Blade? awesome. Dan IL ? kinda mid. Kafka ? great. the 12736 luofu women sharing the same dress template ? i sleep.

The community are pretty much black pilled. No wonder even their content maker contribute the terrible reputation GI game have. Too many corrupt creator in Hoyo Sphere I'm pretty slowly but surely packing by bags and get to other player more welcoming than this corrupted community...

Or... You can just follow the rules of the stage and clear it with decent amount of afford without destroying your brain. For example the current endgame patch just want you to break their armor as fast as possible to do tons of damage. Just follow the rule of stage makes everything alot easier rather than pulling for latest unit or even meta damage unit

I made a no special pull account 3 months ago and completed moc 12 recently. Even if meta changes more frequently in HSR, it depends on you to improve the characters you have in a way they'll work their best in all settings. "Meta" is defined differently by every player. Some call it one-shoting the enemy and some call it having more fun.

How is 10 free pulls not generous, care to elaborate?, even if you don't want the character in the banner you can just save those 10 tickets for a future banner and after some updates you will have a bunch of them to build piti or to push a 50/50, your point makes no sense bud, cope harder next time.

@fullcoffee950 10 free pulls are not enough to keep up with the amount of characters they're releasing

​@@MrGoodra17 it's a gacha game, as a free to play, you don't expect to pull every character.

. Are you accoustic? They also release content with the free 10 pull which usually leads to around 40 pulls@@MrGoodra17

Genshin released 5-stars at the same rate as HSR. And Genshin also had a free 10 pull every pa... wait a minute...

I get how you feel when a character you like isn't the best when it comes to clearing content. It really sucks when people slander you for using them (JY), but who cares anyway? I've been using JY as my main dps since the day I got him and he's been doing well. I also recently cleared the current MoC with JY in the second team and Clara in the first. It isn't required for you to clear MoC, but the extra jades are nice. Overall, playing with the characters you like simply means investing more time on them. Hopefully 'weaker' units stay relevant as the game goes on.

Sad to hear that brother. It's hard to play a game that punishes your over and over. But reading on what your characters are, you have a really solid roster. Im the same as you, I've lost 5 50/50's and only won my preferred 5 stars through guarantee. So far I can only clear MoC9, kinda having a hard time in MoC 10 due to a lack of strong physical coverage. I hope you find your game soon.

And that is precicely the reason why they are giving out free 5-stars, jades, and other freebies in a way that appears generous: to win back or retain people that left because of repetitive and hard content

You should try Genshin as a new player. Abyss is way harder than MOC as a completely new player, especially takes longer since Genshin characters take longer to grind for. You may have done Abyss back in 1.0 when it was easy but it is NOT easy right now for players only a few months in.

​​@@kazuhah1743yea because they are just suck at turn based game lol

That's endgame for you actual strategy, characters, optimizations and synergy needed to win

I F2P'd both games, and I quit Genshin just before Inazuma, when that archipelago thing was happening that let you get summer outfits for Jean and Barbara. I was enjoying the game and all but it was sorta burning me out and I had other things to do IRL at the time so I just kinda took a break and never really got around to continuing. That said I can fully clear MOC in HSR, but in Genshin I really struggled at some abyss floor where you had to kill all the enemies before they killed some stationary tower or something. I forget. It's probable though that it was due to bad luck on my part getting a good 5* dps. I DID get Hu Tao, but she was only in one group, my 2nd group's top dps was keqing, who wasn't exactly high-tier back in those days. I didn't have the frost archer girl, or diluc, or mona, or xiao, or... I forget who other potential dpsers were. oh yeah, and I never got any effing sacrificial swords (I think that's what it was called, the 4* weapon that was best in slot for like nearly every sword-using support), and my other 5* standard was qiqi, and I got 2 5* weapons from standard, both of them the same effing CATALYST, FML. It wasn't hard per say survival-wise, but it just felt like a dps check that my account just couldn't do.

@@heacheysz5644 Dude is locked out of having proper dps-es cause of gacha and you interpret that as "actual strategy"? Man ya'll sometimes really make me feel ashamed of being in the gacha community.

@@altnova6643 There are leaks even before characters release you can look them up and plan on what characters to pull based on their overall value the kits can change but these changes are minor everybody knew Ruan Mei as the first limited 5 star harmony character was going to be OP and she is. Yeah it depends on luck and money but everyone knows that investment is a skill especially for F2P players who need to save currency and once you are done with two proper teams you are safe to pull for the characters and their lightcones based on your likeness for them also allowing more team compositions and the possibility to enjoy the other aspects of the game freely. And I never mentioned explicitly the Gacha System in the previous comment you can look this video "My QingQue broke Honkai: Star Rail..." by Zmm he is using a no wish account and did one of the hardest contents in the game it's a example that this game allows for strategy even using 4 star characters as a DPS so anyone with enough patience could do the latest SU mode with strategy from other people to get Stellar Jades while also clearing some stages in MoC, there's only one extra pull for doing stages 11 & 12 and people will get characters eventually to clear it I am a day one player and a dolphin with less than 100 dollars spent and I have 10 five star characters and I will have 11 with Dr. Ratio in 2nd part of 1.6 and probably 12 with the 5 star standart selector in 2.1 or anything else of equal value that they will give in the anniversary. It's funny how people ask for difficult content that isn't superficial they get it and then they complain about the difficulty there is a skill issue an example is the 2 cycle clear with Himeko done by Gacha Smack in a MoC 10 tournment he also used Jing Yuan spamming basic atk to get SP lol. If you don't like a genre don't play it you can't change reality to fit your desires and Gacha is profitable so it is how it is.

I mean that would have to do with how spiral abyss is just the same thing with more HP and a gimmick, I'm not saying they should make abyss harder, I'm saying that we should've gotten something else to do long ago. Today Genshin players either don't care about abyss or clear it with so little effort that it isn't even worth talking about, bad game design is what it is, when I started we were asked to kill literal ruin guards, the current abyss has elite enemies with more HP than a whole 1.1 floor combined, we are killing stuff with 5X the hp for the same rewards we got 3 years ago. But we don't want to generate anxiety they say... Anxiety my ass, they just are allergic to giving any kind of rewards, I'd be ok with some extra floors just for artifact XP but it's easier to fuck old and new players alike.

That if you can freeze enemies is a huge catch though, Freeze has been pretty bad for a while. Fortunately, Ayaka and co can very easily be made good again, Mihoyo could just make a new cryo-related artifact set of some sort that doesn't depend so heavily on enemies being frozen. The big problem Ayaka has is that she loses 20CR against all bosses and many large enemies.

The contrary for me ngl, I got bored with hsr pretty quickly and no amount of free stuff is gonna make me stick around, while genshin being a casual game is perfect for me, idc about endgame, idc about qol and idc about free stuff as long as they keep releasing quality areas to explore and good story that's all that matters for me ( and probably the majority of the playerbase)

@spacebanana712 that's fine though..Not everyone will feel the same I feel the same about the genshin story,hence why I quit lol..the hsr story for me is way more interesting but not quite as good as honkai impact. We all have different tastes and that's fine!

@@MrDrainBramaged yessir, thanks for saying that, most people wouldve answered me with cope lol. I just hate when people glorify a game while also talking shit about the other without considering that maybe there are people who enjoy the aspects that you hate in the other game.

@spacebanana712 ah yeah there's no point in being toxic about it haha Everyone has different points of views and I know HSR wouldn't even exist without genshin,so there would be no point in shitting in it..I played genshin for like a year and a half or so,I came back for furina to pull on her banner but idk I feel like I'm too far behind to try to get into it again lol..Maybe someday

I wonder if the fanbase would unite and somehow become sour with the state of the game so mihoyo would realize that they did something wrong

​@@mahiru20tenlike the commenter above said, most genshin players are happy with the game as it is rn so I don't think that's gonna happen.

@@spacebanana712 and why are most of us happy with this treatment? I think we could at least be a bit entitled or something.

@@mahiru20ten I assume it's because people like genshin for different reasons, like I would like for genshin to give us more free stuff, but I also kinda don't care enough to complain about it. Just keep making quality new areas with intresting characters and good quests and we good.

i love turn based games but gachas specifically are always the same bullshit work 9-5 running the game on autobattle for 95% of the time im on it and lack any of the actual nuance or fun mechanics that conventional turn based games would give me. so no, ima have to disagree on this personally lol hsr is more for people who want instant gratification than an actual game. (notice how much praise it receives for rewarding people for doing barely anything at all and autobattle? that isnt an accident lmao people are lazy and want as much dopamine for as little input as possible kind of like an addiction.) speaking of auto, why is the 2x speed the same as a normal jrpg speed ? it's so baffling lmao

but the primos from the world exploration are limited, so at some point you can only farm them only from commisions, abyss and events if there are no quests available

@@Maja-se3hf you’re not wrong, but my point is star rail doesn’t even have the open world exploration in the first place. I’m not talking about late game primo farming, I’m talking about giving players an insensitive to continue playing my providing them with pulls. Start rail doesn’t have as many ways to get gems fast when you want to pull so giving them ten pulls isn’t as much as a sacrifice. I’ve been playing Genshin for 2 and a half years and Liyue still isn’t fully completed, the average player won’t run out so quickly

@@Maja-se3hfalso the amount of primos you get from getting that much chest is laughable

ratio is really good if you have been seeing all the HSR content creators reviewing him.

are you fucking joking? Ratio is broken, he is a proper 5 stars unlike Aloy

What gaming? Press E+Q and watch your enemy dies?

@@MystleTayn bro doesn't know☠️

​@@MystleTaynchill brother, Gaming iza character name

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Many factors, but it all boils down to this dude. For people that don't know: Cai Haoyu is the former head honcho that oversaw the development of HI3rd, and he is notorious for how stingy he is when it comes to the rewards he gives to the players that play the games he oversees.

@@hxtpl that dude has not worked on genshin for years now but i get it. you all need a face to blame for your frustrations. even if it means making up shit that doesnt actually exist and hasnt existed for years now. we all need something to cope with, after all.

We have player data, active monthly player data. Before the announcement of a free 5 star, star rail had lost 3.5 million players, and between the months of July to September lost almost 8.5 million players, this is compared to their peak population of 31 million, losing 1 third of your population is crippling specially when the game only released in May, 2 months before they 8.5 million player exodus Genshin on the other hand hasn't dropped from 60 million active monthly users for months and they stayed above 50 million since around first anniversary. Genshin has so many active monthly players that if it was a country it would be around the size of france and be the 23rd most populous country in the world. Genshin can choose not to care because they can tank the hit, Star Rail cant

even spiral abyss, depending on the blessing, can be done with 4* units - nay, even on low AR with low leveled characters. not so much with moc because hsr just demands a lot more as for qol - much easier to add to an empty plate, than to a full one, especially since genshin is a first game of such scope on mobile.

@@SorarikoMotone 4.3 was a QoL patch that added quite a bit. As you said, it is harder to add QoL to an established game over one that was developed using feedback from their previous game. Also, Genshin has been getting QoL. I know they will add more so I'm not going to mald over it. If QoL is the only thing someone needs to trash another game, maybe they didn't like it in the first place, or are just fishing for drama.

@@SorarikoMotone we clearly can't know for sure if it's hard to put better QoL in Genshin, but for what we've already seen they are able to rework their systems for a better QoL. So they CAN but for the longest time they didn't do it, all those filler patch can be added a QoL one or two.

@@pistonfryya.. what took them 3 years to add those 4.3 qol?? They are clearly capable of doing it during filler patch..

@@pistonfry Assuming the team has always been on full productivity, adding one feature necessarily means that something else won't be (other than probably toggle-able features like Overflowing Mastery). Maybe they only managed to hire more people earlier this year after all the Covid nonsense? Or finally expanded a new office in another province, so finally could expand the team with new hires. My previous company had these problems working during Covid, so we had to constantly cut/delay a lot of planned features from development. And even if we hire new staff, usually it'll be 3~6 months before they're actually capable of creating something in line with the product vision without supervision, and therefore be an additional contribution to the company. My point is, there are many possible logistical reasons that is not "Hoyo is stingy" or "Hoyo hates Genshin Impact". In the end though, the situation is what it is. So I feel the simplest way is to not assign these labels, and play the game if you enjoy it. Thinking about "what could have been" is detrimental to our enjoyment because we create expectations that are already failed.

It's not arrogance or anything intentionally malicious like you ppl think, you simply do not understand game development and the pressure they have to constantly make worth while content every month. QoL is important but more important is the content without which people would leave the game.

Genshin dev aren't all that lmao, they just won't listen to players because there literraly no need to, having no competition result in devs not listening to the community, we will have to see WW release in i forgot when to see if it will be a worthy competitor for genshin, but sadly till this time we won't have any changes from what i can tell, the QOL update recently was a step foward but i really doubt it's meaning much more QOL updates in the future

@@AlexAmor7 Aside from the archon quests, its one event every patch and sometimes a new area. Sorry but the reason that the devs dont give af is similar to how Apple is with iPhones, its the same phone with a better camera and new version of the iOs. They don't care because they know it doesn't matter how shit their update is, people will still buy it. The people defending genshin prove my point.

I love genshin, but there are some things about the game that really needs changing.

Money is not a problem

@@dracula1259 yeah, time can sure be, but they make obscene amounts of money already, profitable isnt even the right word to describe genshin

HSR IS MORE PROFITABLE RHAN GENSHIN??????? AHAHHAHAHHAHHAH ITS A JOKE RIGHT

Saying that SR is more profitable is really iffy considering that for the most part SR sales don't hit nearly as high highs as Genshin and if the banners are not interesting to players they get fairly low numbers. Honestly i think answer for the better treatment for game is simple, competition. SR inherently has way more competition as a turn based strategy gacha as opposed to Genshin who stands uncontested as the king of open worlds gacha. Hoyo doesn't go out of their way to give many rewards to Genshin's players because they just don't need to. There is no alternative that is on the same level of Genshin so they also don't have nearly as much fear of players going away as they do with SR.

​@@codyhax0995which chart or banner are you looking at?

Conversely, because I had experience with gachas before Genshin and therefore expected a lot more free stuff, I was seriously considering dropping Genshin in 1.2, after playing for 3 months and still only having the two 5-stars I got in week 1. Fortunately I got a very lucky Keqing pull a few days later, that probably saved me from my own expectations.

I am thinking it's their Artistic hubris that makes them not give anything. Genshin probably takes 4 times more work compared to a normal Gacha to develop. Plus, their world building, open world and characters are some of the best we can experience on the Gacha scene and no other game comes close. Their hubris makes them think they are the best in the world or something, when good story based games outside the Gacha genre exist.

nah, its because people are greedy. we already see ungrateful people whining over ratio because they dont want him, they want another 5* like ruan or smth. for y'all it will be NEVER enough. which is the true hubris of gacha players - greed. @@RKNancy

I mean, what is not to understand? There is no competition for GI, so why give the rewards? They are saving that for when there is competition and they want their players to stay or get back lost players or get newer players. HSR is playing in the extremely saturated auto-play turn-based collect-the-characters gacha market. It needs to be generous or it won't be able to compete with well established gachas already.

​@@SorarikoMotone sure man the gacha players are greedy and not the multi-billion dollar company 💀 hyv white knights always have the most braindead takes

@@SorarikoMotone too many greed and manipulated by toxic influencers are here they never see a good perspective of the game they just want rewards more more rewards and freebies

I think HSR is just more generous in general, the fact that you just get free pulls whenever a new update drops in HSR compared to Genshin which only does it during its anniversary and lantern rite events shows enough difference.

Bruhh every game when it gets released has alot hype around it HSR got released during Dead patches for Genshin so alot of players tried it out(including me) and spent some money (including me) but if u see the HSR graph is falling and Falling also On top that HSR releases 2 new 5 star characters per patch whereas Genshin only releases 1 character patch they basically Double Sucking the whales cuz they are gonna C6/E6 everything and also HSR is already having the Power creepet problem where new characters are just stronger than characters released previous patch and In genshin that's only really the case like the only case of powercreep u can make is Neuvilette being Over ayato but that's a far stretch cuz ayato does have that Off-field presence whereas Neuvilette doesn't, I feel HSR is just releasing way to many characters for Whale to dump there money on whereas genshin is not at the same speed and Also Old characters are just as good as new ones when comes to Damage per Rotation

@@riverajustinmarks. well yes that's a fact, but there must be a reason why, and that's what being discussed

@@idhantmandlecha5703 1. Which graph of HSR is falling? If ur saying the popularity, it doesn't matter the profit is still great over the course of 4 months and for Hoyo that's good 2. Powercreep only happens when DanIL came out, if u've seen the newer characters they are supports for existing characters (Topaz), a less powerful DPS (JingLiu), an Okay Healer (HuoHuo), and an all right Phys DPS (Argenti), so which character are you calling powercreep? 3. HSR is a whale bait cause they release too many characters. That's already stated in the video that the fundemental of the game is different, where they're filling holes and new roles with each of new characters because every content is combat focused.

@@pistonfry bro jingliu is even better and does more damage than dhil but if you whale and have dhil at e2 thats where he can go crazy otherwise at e0 dhil doesnt beat jingliu