The easiest answer is because if he hadn't spared gero, we wouldn't have a woman who has been consistently making it into "top 10 waifu" lists for almost 20 years.
Imagine if Gero wasn't discarded at the beginning, instead served as a villain that is not necessarily a threat because of how strong he is but because of his resources and intelligence. Then sparing him wouldn't be completely stupid, if at the end of the arc the villain wasn't defeated with a big laser or explosion but instead they convinced him of his evils and turn him good. Wasted potential, really sparing Gero isn't nearly the worst thing in the Cell arc.
I'm more confused on WHY Dr.gero even cared to kill Goku. Dude had Money and resources so I guess he wanted to Conquer the World? And was doing that out of the Red Ribbon army. To technically Gero was going to overthrow Commander Red if Red did get all the Dragonballs? Why would Dr.Gero really even care about wanting to take out Goku? Think about it?
@@greennimbus2519 because he holds Goku accountable for de-railing the red ribbon army’s future of attaining world domination, and in his eyes, evolving humanity. That, and with the destruction of the RRA, he undermined his research and took away a lot of the resources that he had.
Still believe it was a bad decision, honor is not a good excuse when your enemy is making killer robots out of kidnaped childrens, and mosters out of your dna to kill everyone. And they did not need to kill gero, just find him and take him to the police (at this point, gero has done lots of things to deserve prison, like creating weapons for a mercernary group that killed inocent people, and kidnaping and experimented on children). Then, they could take the androids to bulma, so she could remove all the "kill goku" of them brainwashing from them. Worse case scenario, they would just not be wake up
except he doesn't know that he just knows there is someone creating androids that haven't done anything wrong its like saying I should go outside and beat up a completely random person that did absolutely nothing wrong because someone from the future said he is gonna turn into the second hitler and as for the prison thing do you really thing the prison would be able to do anything to gero? even if he is still a human he is so intelligent he could easily break out which would solve nothing and no androids=no perfect cell=no ssj2 or anyone else getting really strong=weaker against buu=death
@@k1llsh0t_87 didn'tyou read? hero had done enouight terrible things at that point to deserve prison or death.0 And whu do you think the plot would change forpower level? the power level changes for plot, toriyama made up transformation as he needed
@@chabri2000 I did my point was that if the story didn't change except that specific point they would have died and so what if gero did horrible things none of the zfighters knew what he did so there is no reason for them to murder someone that as far as they knew was perfectly innocent
@@k1llsh0t_87 goku knew about the androids before, he met one in dragonball as a kid. and trunks literally told them what he was doing (and at that point, t he androids had already been kidnaped by gero).
This decision had zero influence on Cell coming back in time, he would've done so anyway since in HIS timeline he was already born/created and he couldn't find 17 and 18. It'd only mean the Z fighters would get slaughtered since without the prospect of fighting the Androids they wouldn't be training so hard and Cell at his weakest was still more powerful than 19 and Gero.
@@_Seru_ They wouldn't be completely out of the game. With the androids gone their only real threat is Cell, a quick trip to the Hyperbolic Time Chamber would be enough to deal with him. Heck, just Piccolo fused with Kami they would be enough to mop the floor with Cell and thanks to Goku's instant transmission they could instantly get to Cell before he ever had the chance to hide once Goku woke up. Really it's only a matter of time before Cell dies.
@@spritvio639 Last I checked Cell effortlessly escaped from said Piccolo, absorbed more humans and proceeded to nearly kill him with one attack. You mistake Imperfect Cell with Perfect Cell - Cell in his first form was NOT stupid and he was NOT playing around, if he was strong enough to kill someone, he would. He wouldn't bother looking for strong opponents, if anything he'd proceed to slaughter or absorb everything he could and he'd try to jump to yet another timeline to find 17 and 18 after he found out they were destroyed here.
Gero was the type who worked behind the scenes and was probably never even in the same vicinity as Goku to begin with. We see his lab deep in a forest far from any sort of civilization. Gero decides to simply study Goku and others while designing his androids. Simply put, Gero and Goku just never met each other in-person until the android saga.
And Gero wasent evil He was a genius that believed to much in his work And the Red Ribbon army backed his research He built peaceful models, but they didn’t get funded aswell And Goku began destroying his combat models, so he improved for funding and to beat his challenge He’s no more evil then a player in a MMO trying to be #1 from the bottom. He doesn’t even agree with 17-18’s rampage He wants to reshape the world Not gonna say he’s “good” But far from pure evil More like a story of how devotion and dedication can lead people astray if focused to much
@@donovanulrich348 Goku also killed his son, though that was added in retroactively. 16 was based on his son, who was in the RR army and died when Goku blew up their main base. The irony is if they wished to find him, a more level headed individual like bulma might have been able to figure out Gero was trying to avenge his son, and just wished his son back and defused the situation. _But Goku dum._
@@donovanulrich348 Dude...the first time we see Dr. Gero, he and #19 are going on a killing spree. They weren't even absorbing energy like Cell was, they were just wiping out a city full of people for shits and giggles. No, he's not just some misunderstood genius looking for funding.
@@donovanulrich348 yeah because the android missions are to kill Goku. Look at 16 for example, out side of wanting to kill Goku, he loves the nature and the planet
@@donovanulrich348 He was obsessed with revenge enough, due to Goku destroying the Red Ribbon Army, that he spent decades nonstop building Robots with the intent purpose of Killing Goku. Even though, he was perfectly well aware of the fact that Goku saved the planet. Also, after gaining a android's body, the first thing he does is slaughter a city of civilians- what bullshit are you talking about? Gero is civilian murdering Revenge obsessed ( goku didn't even do anything bad to him, just took out an army intent on world domination) lunatic. He's basically a generic evil doer from a comic book.
With all of this being said, it still wouldn't have helped the future timeline anyway. We see evidence of that after the defeat of Cell and Trucks goes back to his time where Cell is still in his base form. Granted due to the battle in the past, Trunks got much stronger as a result and was able to defeat the Androids after his return. If they'd decided Bulma's plan was viable to execute, Trunks would never have been able to improve his strength to take them on and bring peace to his time in the end. Plus in his travels he learned of Cells existence and knew he needed the extra boots to be able to take him on. Ergo; they off Gero early = Future is screwed even more, and with Piccolo having been killed (future timeline) Trunks wouldn't have the Dragonballs as an aid to wish everyone back that had perished. So yes, Goku making this decision (regardless of plot device setup) was the best one to make in order to preserve a safer timeline for both parties involved.
if doctor Gero became a ally after his defeat the humans could have recieve some power ups. ofcourse they need to accept the offer. he could have work together with the father of bulma or bulma herself.
The sad thing is, if the doctor had just stopped and said something to this effect "You killed my son with your bare hands. Use the dragon balls to give him back. You keep reviving everyone else." Goku would have dropped what he was doing, agreed, apologized, asked how/when he killed him.
Champa is actually the reason the Tournament of Power started, If it wasn't for the Universe 6-7 tournament Zen-Oh would of never discovered goku and martial art tournaments so Goku would of never obtained Zen-Oh's button to teleport him or Zen-oh to him/zeno. Without the button goku would of never met future Zen-Oh and Zamasu would of defeated goku and destroyed the universe until Zen-Oh finds him.
If Dr. Gero wasn’t around in Z, three of the following would happen: -No sexy Android waifu for Krillin. -SSJ2 probably wouldn’t exist until at least the Buu saga. -Z fighters lose the Tournament of Power and get erased.
My only pet peeve about Dragonball is they always put everyone else in danger for the sake of "fighting" - Letting Cell consume Android 18 - Giving Cell a senzu bean. To name a few.
Future Trunks could have killed Gero without any of the Z fighters knowing about it BUT if he had done this he might not have been born (well the Trunks in the main universe would not have been born), Future Trunks would still exist.
Gero would not have been innocent though, he already abudcted the chidlren, and we are not talking about him committing some future crime, he has already set the androids up to kill people - it's more akin to planting a bomb that will go off in the future. I doubt Bulma would have let the others awaken 17 and 18 if they had killed Gero too, she'd probably have insisted on some way of depowering them or keeping them asleep until they were not a threat.
Goku is not dumb when he faught hit he knew he was going to die so he fired a ki blast in the sky and when it came back it shocked goku on the floor and revived him
people say goku is inconsiderate for not stopping threats, but if goku has learned anything about his enemies from dragonball (oolong, krillin, yamcha, tien, piccolo jr) it is that people are redeemable. goku is lawful good and cant bring himself to kill an opponent he views as a future friend. people who hate goku but like vegeta... cringe
What the hell are you talking about???? Goku NEVER spared Dr. Gero. That was dialog the English version created. When Goku actually did meet Artificial Human #20, he didn't even recognize him as Dr. Gero
he stated himself that he didnt know where he was thats why he talked to goku...and given what we know of how the timelines work it wouldnt have solved anything for trunks anyway
If that panel is all you have to show that Toriyama and Toyotaro are trying to retcon Goku's character, I would have to heavily disagree. That panal shows us how Goku views himself. It's Goku telling someone else why he does the things he does. They aren't the true motivations behind his actions. Meerus correctly pointed out the pure hearted nature and motivations of Goku's choices, and Goku is too humble to accept that.
Why do you think that one panel is all I have to show? It's just used to reference my point, since the video isn't about that. Otherwise it would be 30 minutes long of constant references and comparisons. Also, his name is Meh-Ru-Su. AKA, Mary Sue. 🙃
@LSMMIKE I didnt think that. I said "if it is..." Sorry if I got too into it, but I meant to say that in response to that specific panel because it was all that was shown. If there was more context behind it, I wanted to know what it was.
Check out my Super manga review playlist on my channel. Honestly, I've talked about this issue in numerous videos over the years. A lot of them just got buried.
Man, turns out whether to kill Gero, 17, and 18 before they became Androids was another giant hypothetical scenario that can be used to test the limits of Utilitarianism. Isn't it the greatest good for the greatest number of people to do that? (Maybe, maybe not, but you can definitely see how someone could be convinced it was). Even if it was though, if a hero can be morally justified in killing an old man and two innocent children for things they haven't even done yet, doesn't that blur the line between heroes and villains? Don't villains always argue (or at least almost always) that what they are doing (which usually involves killing innocent people) is justified because it is for "the greater good"? Man who knew Toriyama was so into philosophy/ethics! (And no, I do not endorse such a view, I'm actually not a Utilitarian in large part because of hypotheticals like this, of which there are many. In other words, 1) First, it is not clear what the term "good" means in Utilitarianism, even if it means "human flourishing," which itself is a very nebulous term, 2) second, there are still countless scenarios where you can imagine sacrificing innocent lives to promote the maximum amount of "human flourishing," and anybody who argues otherwise is just not arguing in good faith, this is the logical conclusion of adopting Utilitarianism as your ethical system, because 3) even if you do somehow gerrymander Utilitarianism into arguing for positions such as "it is never justifiable to take an innocent life, no matter how many lives it might save" then at that point it is not clear at all that there is any meaningful distinction between Utilitarianism and Deontological ethics, and if you do make such arguments, you're pretty much just arguing for Deontological ethics and calling it Utilitarianism).
your also missing one point of view amigo. if Dr. Gero was killed by Goku and friends before creating the Andriods. small possible chance that Dr.Gero will already had build a super smart computer that thinks like him. after his death from the Z-fighter, the Machine will be in one of his underground layers and it will create Android# 13, #14, #15. and they will be part of a role of man kind destruction. Cell might still exist but will never be able to evolve.
Trunks should have went back killed freeza and told the Z fighters that in x amount of time I’m coming back to kill you all. And oh I have stronger friends. Then go give some random doctor the antidote for gokus illness. This would avoid plot holes and keep the timeline safe at the same time. While also keeping trunks history a mystery. Only to find out when cell kills him. Trucks reaches up to tell him he loves him and to take care of mom. I’m sorry I lied to you!
Also if they had not trained they would've been hilariously weak against cell when he showed up, unlike what happened where he was forced to hide his energy for a while Im glad the dub i got (latin american) was done keeping the story as it was in japanese
You mentioned Super but what about Buu? No dead Goku to teach ss3 to Gotenks, nobody powered up nearly as much, Goten might have not been born and trauma being a part of the ss2 transformation possibly not even that. Super doesn't happen because Buu make world candy
This video leads to even more questions. Now, as you know, in more recent years, there is now a new, as well as officially canon, Android, specifically, Android #21, you know, that brunette lady that can turn essentially into a hybrid of the T-1000/T-X and a gender-swapped Buu (but has an oddly sexy voice), so I have a few more questions to ask. 1. When exactly was Android #21 created? 2. Was Android #21 also created for the same purpose as the other Androids? 3. Was Android #21 also built from another person like Androids #8, #16, #17, #18, and #20 were, or was she an artificially created being like Androids #13 and #19, and Cell/Imperfect Cell/Perfect Cell? 4. Where are Androids #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #9, #10, #11, #12, #14, and #15? 5. If the Androids in my previous question were not previously created, then could there not theoretically be a new movie, or even arc, that concerns them? 6. Would Dr. Gero also be responsible for making the Androids that I had mentioned in Question 4? 7. Would Dr. Gero also have made Android #21? I am sorry for being so pedantic, but I think that the Android Saga, as well as the appearance of Android #21, leads to a lot of potential new material within the overall Dragon Ball Universe.
I think 21 is an actual cyborg, she was Gero's Wife/16's mother. considering she appears in her human form as a capsule corps researcher in the pre-android appearence part of the android saga in DBZ Kakarot manning the training room. i'm guessing she turned herself into a cyborg.
In this issue specifically, I think Goku was in the wrong. Sure, outright killing a man over what some time traveler said wouldn't hold up in court. However, Bulma was right about finding Dr. Gero. At least to keep an eye on him. I have only so far finished the episode where Trunks talks to Goku, but I think it'd be natural to look into things. But no. These muscle-bound dunder heads have a one-track mind. Train and fight. Train and fight. In fact, having a one-track mind is something I've noticed lots of goodie goodie characters have. I find this trait infuriating sometimes because it fails to adapt to the situation at hand. It's not very practical. I understand why having ideals is a good thing, but sometimes you gotta bend the rules a bit. And in this situation, I think spying on the good doctor would be reasonable. Especially given that they know TWO LITERAL SHAPESHIFTERS!
Also, if anyone deserved to die, it was Freiza. Letting freiza off the hook was a bad idea. Letting a killer go in hopes that they change (even after beating them an inch from their lives) is a dumb thing to do. You kill them so you can prevent them from killing anyone else. I'm sorry but self-preservation is first and foremost.
If Goku didn't spare dr.Gero Krillin would have to hook up with Maron again and would he still name their daughter Marron then would the 2 even have a daughter or a son or 2 hot and dumb as their mother twins Roshi could molest :)
bruh, that's like, exactly what Future Krillin would do i can already see it. Him chillin with his wife in another time line, suddenly she vanishes. Krillin is like: "OH F#%K, someone time traveled..... TRUNKS.." Krillin travels back to regain his robopµ$$y
@@Zorothex5152 Problem is changing time travel creates a new timeline and won't affect any current ones, so that wouldn't happen. Trunks goes back to kill the androids in his timeline after Cell is killed.
They didn't have to go kill him, but yeah finding out where he was and what he was up to, keeping an eye on him -- at the very least, that should have been part of the plan.
And the genius, Bulma, didn't even suggest it. Even after Goku gave her an explanation. Loved the arc, but that was a bad plot point that could've easily been tied up
They knew that the androids would kill them in the future so they could have used roshi's sister (as the poster above suggested) or used the dragon balls to wish for the androids to be good and not to be under the influence of Dr. Gero. They could have resolved it with a wish, their power to stop anyone escaping and the police force to apprehend anyone working for/with Dr. Gero since he was a Red Ribbon member, a terrorist organization at the least.
@@arthursmith1181 As far as the dragon, it can't grant a wish that exceeds its creator, Kami's, power. The androids are way too powerful for it to carry out that wish.
@@TheHylden They had the dragon balls from earth, dragon balls from New Namek and roshi's sister. They could have found out where all the members who were helping Dr. Gero with building the androids and the red ribbon army. ALso, they could act before Gero had any chance of defending himself or even if he had already being turned into an android they would know how powerful he was. Worst case just send him for a far off planet or just the surface of the sun. There, the end of Gero and android 19. As for 17 and 18 just wish to know what would happen, if they would be enemies, I mean, they used a wish to remove a bomb from 18 maybe they could use a wish to remove the "kill Goku at all costs" order.
"Friends" that Goku MET (In chronological order): His mother & "nurse" do not count. Neither his father (when he placed him on the pod). -> Brolly WOULD count... if he was canon. Son Gohan (Senior) *adopted* him. He is dead (Goku accidentally killed him). Goku probably met many animals & beasts (dinosaurs) over the years. He fed some of them, he ate some of them. Bulma is the FIRST (canon) humanoid he interacted with that was not part of his family.
@@adolfodef ok that's fine about bulma. But he didn't even know broly so how were they friends??.... and he was too young to really understand his parents so...yeah. that shouldn't even matter, and by default without much thought his true oldest friend is bulma.
And relying on the dragon isn’t smart The dragon can only grant wishes the guardian can fulfill. Sure you can murder a man in cold blood, but that dosent Redo the future or prevent the creations Gero has already made So your killing someone. Because they might do something. Or they already did it, but you have no real idea If that’s cool, why arnt we Murdering politicians in the street? We know they will do some corrupt shit if they haven’t already. Same logic
And that Stupid mentality is why Future Zenou Erased the entire Multiverse of the Future, including killing Future Goku in the afterlife. Good riddence. Now hopefully Present Zenou does the same one of these days.
Goku: We shouldn't kill Gero now because he didn't do anything wrong yet. Me: But you could track down Gero, find evidence of him kidnapping 17 and 18, then have him arrested instead of killing him. Or you can track him down and convince him to use his research for good and have him make people into Androids who consented to the procedure.
@@fio_lume They already give him the medicine... so, same thing. If Goku procastinated about taking the medicine that was already with him, something way easier than assembling all dragon balls, no way in hell he would do the "hard way".
asrsst him sure you dont no when geor become in android and vallins liek gero dont go to jail in db huamsn could not arrst king piccolo or tao wha tmake thank geor can be assrest
I'm still waiting for Laughingstock Media to tell me why the Z Fighters have never just used the Dragon Balls to wish the BAD GUY into a GOOD GUY. I'll continue waiting.
I never understood why they couldn’t kill with the dragonballs, Ik you can’t wish to kill people out right but you’re telling me they couldn’t wish for rapid aging, heart failure etc?
Honestly, one of the best “canon additions” Team Four Star did to their Abridged series was make it so Dr. Gero’s son died in an attack Goku made on a Red Ribbon Army base, thus motivating Gero to seek revenge. It also fits in here rather well as a way to show how Goku changed morally speaking. His son’s death would have shown a great consequence to Goku’s original line of thinking of not caring about casualties that he very much stopped having for years by the time Trunks even shows up. He would have had to confront his past deeds and atone for them, eventually culminating in sacrificing himself and leaving his son to finish the job.
I wish they would drop their pride/code or whatever and just start jumping dudes. I know it's for story purposes but can you imagine if a villain came in and killed a couple people then gets jumped by Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Piccolo, Krillin, 17, 18, Tien, Yamcha, Roshi, and Chiaotzu, Majin Buu, Puar, OX king, Bulma, ChiChi Videl, Dende, Farmer with a Shot Gun, All pull up and beat his ass.
They dropped the honor code when they learned that #17 and #18 exist, and despite the little resistance they had, the Dragon Team still went all the way to kill them before they are activated. They also tried to kill Cell before he became perfect. It's mainly Vegeta who continued to act that way to fill his own ego.
Great break down and explanation! As to revisionist history, I'd also say that Team Four Star helped push ideas that people now accept as truth such as Goku putting everyone in danger for a good fight. I still love the abridged series by the way.
@@secoTheSonicFan majin boo saga had a lot of middle guys, the spaceship was basically a boss rush, the problem was that Dabura was the only strong enough
@@secoTheSonicFan With Babadi's incredible powers, I'm surprised he couldn't do more than just "controlling minds" Like could you imagine if he could pull fighters from other timelines? and turning them into an ultimate dark warrior? Imagine that.
There's also another reason I think a lot of people don't realize is that, goku might have also been trying to make sure trunks was still born. because if they went off and killed them like that there's a good chance Vegeta and Bulma wouldn't have gotten together and made him.
@@UnexpectedDanger yeah stop going with the meme he literally asked Krillin how he had a baby with 18 because he thought she was a robot which means he knows where they come from. He's straight up tails Vegeta that the women has the baby in super. Goku knows where they come from
@@UnexpectedDanger Where in the world did you get that impression from? Goku knows where babies come from. He got Chichi pregnant, didn't he? Did they have him say or do something else stupid for Super? I haven't watched it, but have heard how dumb they've made him for it.
stupid arc because they could have gathered the dragon balls. they gathered them extra fast for the nameks but all of a sudden they can't grab seven in 3 years.
@Roman Francis which is one of the many reasons why batman is stupid. as far as Z fighters go goku met Tien there but that's it, right? he fought king piccolo there but king piccolo was not a Z fighter. everyone else he met on his adventures for dragon balls. i believe i never watched all of dragon ball but i studied the fuck out of Z
I've been a dbz fan for decades and i've never realised both Gero and 16's heads were decapetated then stomped. I knew both individually happened but I never connected the 2 until this vid, what a great video. you get a like for that.
@@BonesDMS4life it was from before then, it mentions he was shot and killed by enemy fire. Unless Dragon Ball took a really dark turn that I don't remember with Goku channeling his inner Anton Chigurh asking Gero's son to pick heads or tails lol.
Interesting note, his morality works synergistically with his love of fighting, because his frequent offers of mercy, and the threats that mercy brings with it, are what help keep him going to get stronger.
So Krillin was right to spare 18. Both he & Goku trained with Kami so they would have similar outlook of life & not wanting to kill innocents. Its also thanks to Krillin's kindness toward 18 that made her an ally & his wish to help 17 & 18 that made 17 want to help in the ToP.
@@markx322 Yes. I'd say he played a big part. He also saved 18 from elimination, 18 saved 17 from elimination, & 17 won. But everyone played a big part
Thank you for mentioning Kame! Everyone forgets that Goku learned both morals, and was educated by Kame and Popo. His personality at end of Dragon Ball was akin to his personality all throughout Z. People mad at his laid back attitude also forget that he chilled way out after dying the 2nd time-which makes a ton of sense. Goku vs Cell was Goku as a Master (like Roshi) which is why his gi was different too, and his pupil was Gohan. Dying a hero for the 2nd time, when Goku came back, it was as a legend
Why Goku was right to Spare Majin Buu Because we wouldn’t have Super Buu then Kid Buu and if we didn’t have Kid Buu we wouldn’t have Uub give energy to help Goku against Moro
Might want to get rid of the spoilers in this comment or say there are spoilers. Some people haven't read the Manga yet and genuinely care about spoilers :)
Dr. Gero as the mastermind behind the Red Ribbon army always felt like a retcon to me. Because he was never even mentioned once in the original Dragon Ball series. Also Goku totally fought Frieza because he wanted a good fight. His motivations were purely selfish.
He didn't fight Frieza because had he not he would have kill his bestfriends and son? At that point no you could say he really wanted to fight him when he turned super saiyan and wished everybody on namek away except him and frieza but even then he got tired of fighting frieza
@@rebal180 yes goku clearly wanted to fight him but when he fought him he was doing it to protect his friends but the whole reason goku even went to namek was because they were on danger
@@nnightkingj Well no Goku went as back up to bring their other friends back but, he didn't find out they were in trouble until he ran into the Ginyu Force. King Kai even warned him to stay away from Frieza which even if Frieza hadn't found Vegeta and the others that wasn't going to happen. Goku would've tracked Frieza down after he would order everyone to leave him on Namek because that's who he is.
@@rebal180 I'm pretty sure master roshi came up to him while he was still in the hospital and said vegeta and a whole bunch of other people were on namek much before the ginyu forces arrival
In DBZ logic sparing everyone is a good idea. Mass murderers magically become good people just from Goku being nice. But it doesn't work like that in real life. Really hard criminals usually have mental illnesses that make them permanently evil.
maybe you should reword that one better my guy. "mental illness that makes them evil" sounds a bit bad, like if they are inflicted with a mental illness to stop that from causing violence in other people they should at least be treated
Goku is really not some western Super Hero ideal like how you are seeing him. I think most American fans really missed out on a dominant trait of Goku: childish innocence. It's hard to explain, but he is not thinking in a "conventional" way, like "how to solve issues as efficiently as possible", but he doesn't think like this because he is just dumb and doesn't take the risk factors into consideration, especially when others are in danger. The reason for these decisions is different: He didn't kill Gero simply for the same reason he didn't train more before the Cell tournament, or why he gave Cell the beans. He is just very confident in his or his close ones' abilities, and unlike Vegeta or others, he is not blinded by pride or a desire for glory that would make him misjudge these abilities. He has a very "pure" way of seeing everything, and he could tell without any delusions what he or Gohan was capable of if they tried. The reason he is not killing villains is simply because it is not necessary, because even if they would to return, he is confident in being able to get stronger and stop them, and that's also why you misinterpreted what that Super page talked about. It didn't meant that goku doesn't care about consequences and Only cares about the excitement of fighting, he just explained why he doesn't take the easy and sure way of getting rid of these villains by just killing them: because he can already deal with them in his own way, which is both more exciting for him and also gives the villains a second chance to turn good.
7:55 No one ever said Goku had to murder Gero. They could've just destroyed his research and had Bulma use her influence to get him arrested for both having ties to the Red Ribbon Army, and planning to build killer robots. As for 17 and 18, if they were still around and in the process of being made into androids, they could've been reprogrammed by Bulma and her father. Lastly, if Goku and pals were smart, they'd do some scouting before attacking Gero's lab, either through the Dragon Balls, or by having Fortuneteller Baba spy on him. By doing that, they'd know exactly what they were up against, and would be able to formulate a proper plan of action.
@@dominusangelo4659 nope it’s just because the author pulled it out of his ass since his editor didn’t like the original Annedroids, not sure there’s an actual reason in the lore
I disagree with Gero being innocent because he hasn't done anything wrong yet. For example if you plan to to harm or murder and build a weapon to do so the police will arrest you in the USA and you'll be a terrorist with conspiracy to commit murder... I'd say the act of planning to and building the tools do it is almost just as bad acually doing it.
Great video. You provided great points for Goku's morality that people tend to ignore. Though super is consistent with Goku's morality and him sparing his enemies in both the anime and manga which was also the discussion that Goku and Merus had.
Also to consider, if they had just gone and killed Gero then they would have been woefully ill-prepared for the Buu saga. Timeline as is; -Trunks shows up to warn Goku -3 Years of goal oriented training to defeat the androids. -The Androids overwhelm the fighters so there is intense training in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, plus the fusion of Kami and Piccolo. -Trunks becomes strong enough to defeat HIS androids/cell -Gohan attains SSj -Dende is brought to earth as the new guardian thus decoupling the use of dragon balls with the life of one of the fighters. -Cell Games, Goku dies, Gohan becomes SSj2 -Dead Goku does 7 years of training in otherworld and attains SSj 2 and 3 -Vegeta does 7 years of goal oriented training of hoping to attain SSj2 and surpass Gohan If they just went off to kill Gero then by the time Buu Saga occurs then Future Trunks gets merced in his own timeline either by his Androids or Cell, the fighters get 10 years of just whatever training they were doing, there are probably not any SSj2 and they might not know it exists, and if Piccolo dies in this saga there are no dragon balls.
@Roman Francis this may be a little bit of a stretch, but I always interpreted Cell going into the water and dodging the light grenade as a way of showing that he couldn’t take it head on
@@rdeal8912 yeah but still, look at it this way, when Krillin used the destructo disk on Freeza, it cut his tail clean off. But no one is going to make the argument that Krillin is stronger than Freeza. Some attacks are just inherently strong no matter what the user’s power level is.
What if Goku saved Gero's Head? Even if it would be quite a stretch given the situation, I think Gero could become quite handy in the upcoming arcs. Not voluntarily though, but Goku has turned bigger Baddies before.
Android geroh has his brain transplanted in a robot. I would call him an android but most people would not with the modern day definition. Android 17 and 18 I would call cyborgs. Krillin is so potent he got his sex robot pregnant. If you add robot bionics to a human there a cyborg. If you add human organs to a robot it's a android
@@meek7765 cause 17 was the last one standing him and feizea where holding him off and if he wasn't there jiren would have beaten frizea then goku or jiren would have knocked everyone off the stage with the blast he did when andriod 17 used the shield to protect goku and vegeta that's how
So Basically, Goku isn't a hero, He isn't a guy who wants to have a good fight, He's a Martial Artist with Good Morale and Honor. To Have Honor doesn't mean to be Prideful. To have honor means to know when your opponent is beat, to be able to show mercy regardless of what your enemy has done, the ability to humble yourside, and cast your pride aside. Pride is infact, the true source of shame, however, that doesn't mean have no pride at all but being too prideful is what causes you to bring nothing but shame upon yourself. Vegeta being a prime example of that. He had too much pride, and it wasn't until the end of Buu Saga where he finally started to let go alot of it. He kept his pride but reformed it, rather than it being about strength, it was more about being a better martial artist, and his family. Case 1 of Goku being Honorable: He was willing to let the Ginyu Force live and he had hoped they'd let go their evil ways. (Which would never happen because unlike most, the Ginyu Force were truly evil like Frieza. That's why they were Frieza's most trusted fighting force. They had outstanding loyalty but were just as wicked as the Frost Demon.) Case 2: He gave Frieza energy, despite what he had done. He still showed mercy, there was no dirty tricks, there was no bullshitting. He gave Frieza the energy to escape and live Now being Honorable doesn't mean "oH Don'T tHrOW DIRT iN ThEIR eYes" Because technically speaking, being in a real life or death battle, being resourceful, such as throwing dirt to blind your opponent is a smart move. Goku didn't want to do that however, he wanted to be able to beat his opponents on his own terms. Which is apart of what he thinks a fighter should be. Especially if you're a swordsman, use your surroundings to your advantage. However, if you're dueling someone, not for life or death, that's different. Using tricks such as throwing dirt in a duel, would be considered unhonorable, because you're simply dueling, which is meant to show your skills as a fighter without such tricks. Just wanna point out though, if the androids never came that doesn't mean they'd be unprepared for Majin Buu. Babadi only came to Earth, because of the incredible power caused by Cell and Gohan's Kamehameha wave clash. He wanted that power to revive Buu.
I was always wondering about where the hell Dr. Gero was because I didn’t remember any high ranking Red Ribbon members mention his name or even Eighter mention him
