Why Hornet isn't Void 

lol, nice way to reference dumdums saying the death screen transition in silksong is void leaving hornet

Lol

@@ivymarimo1631 no, i dont think i will

@@ivymarimo1631 You sir, need to “an unpleasant feeling of coldness in the atmosphere, one's surroundings, or the body.”

I’m a better waifu

Don't forget Myla, The White lady, Vespa and Marissa.

Preach

I just have to say :''yes''

@@BlueMaskGuy don't forget my girl Seer

She is made of S c r e e n transtitions

Don’t you get soul from her too?

@@Barakon yep

Doesn’t the pure vessel give white particle too?

@@letendreelliott8778 wait what

@@letendreelliott8778 The Pure Vessel (as well as the Hollow Knight and the Broken Vessel) has a shell. The Collector does not. You are not striking the void inside of the Pure Vessel, you are striking the shell surrounding it.

Get a load of this dude

Any good God-King must be. Just ask Zeus and Odin.

also mossbag is a flat earther

@@mathiaskaario5973 r/woooosh

@@diamondmetal3062 hey that's rude to ra

He be gross.

@@TimothyMark7 what in the actual fukien tea tree is wrong with you

Guest Guest uhmmmmmmm... ok.

Guest Guest *just like they all say, a g e i s j u s t a n u m b e r*

Lmao

february 6, 2023 there are still people who think hornet is void and it makes me cry.

Such Simmons,

May 2024, people still think somehow that's she's void...

Her needle's because of an old concept, the child of three queens. Birthed by Herrah, raised by WL, trained by Vespa.

Pale king it’s like a god,so I think it’s possible

Yeah, It is kind of annoying that a spider-wyrm hybrid is called "Hornet".

@@agent8395 That's not canon.

​@@milk_choc7889 Would that make her the heir to all three kingdoms?

OBJECTION: She might just be speaking about the lack of emotions/thoughts/personality vessels had. We do not know that "crucial emptiness" is 100% her reffering to void. Thats why Moss says that this line is used by the supporters of both theories. But yeah, she's probably isnt void. **Probably**.

Draculinary cursed pfp

She says it but when the void brothers and her help keep the radience in place so you can slap it she gives a void like shape when she helps to hold it down

@@henrythewhaleman6033 no, that's the Hollow Knight. You can see the inner part of the head is different. They also have a cracked head and only one arm, just like the Hollow Knight.

She can't be void because she's never been infused with it, the vessels are infused but Hornet was never, she was just sent to Herrah etc.

bumbruh your woke

Borgar

you mean... pink slime?

So she is made of void

I see you are also a man of culture.

Yeah and he got the school days ending

really thats wahat you drew from this

@@bluevines1303 its true tho

@@Zyp1c THATS WHAT YOU DREW FROM THIS

@@bluevines1303 it's a logical conclusion, isn't it?

But what if they're half siblings who one is a zombie and the other is a spider lady?. This and more at 6:30 PM tomorrow

@@lugoorstar Half siblings? We’re going into some semantics here, and I’m not in for it. Is half a sibling a full sibling? How do you make a full sibling in the first place, more importantly a half sibling? Do quarter siblings exist?

@@captainblue5096 a half sibling is someone who shares one parent so to others who share the same set of parents a half sibling is a full sibling You make a full sibling by having more than one child so they can call eachother siblings, then you make a half sibling by having a child who shares only one sibling Only if you have a child with 4 parents

@@captainblue5096 … you… didn’t know half siblings existed? Must be nice *cries in only half siblings*

@@damobeck1 1: I’m an only child 2: I wrote this very late at night and somehow forgot that half siblings existed

Ya

@@theultimatep1e40 ya

@The Mario Kid ya

Monki Eat Banana ya

Ÿä

No u

True.

Getting some Karamazov vibes

Yup I see the same honestly

Ah yes, the classic tropes of video games, ascending to godhood with the boys, boomers bad millennials good and mute idiot kills everyone.

I am currently beating the game and I spent 5 minutes looking for this comment, some people are just too busy mashing the A button lmao

He remembers

Yea

I’m ashamed of my dad

@@purevessel4801 You got stuck with the worst higher bring possible haha

@@raidenmetalgear3572 ...bring? Don’t you mean being?

but half a presses exist

Well, TJ “bapanada” Yoshi...

This is my favorite comment ever.

To answer that we need to talk about parallel partners

You can say that something that is a vessel has also another function not related to its function as a vessel, so, your point is somewhat dulled.

Nobody cares about them; they're dead.

@@W.H.V. Fanart of them being alive: _Am I a joke to you?_

@TooLateToTheStory Where are those adult Vessels? I must see the grown up forms.

Is there any such thing as a true empty Vessel? Even The Knight's side quests required it to have empathy and free will.

@@W.H.V. ya

No problem! It's actually really easy if you have a script. RU-vid will automatically line up all the timings for you. It really bugs me to see so many scripted videos from big RU-vidrs who don't bother to take that little effort to add captions.

I remember you! I was just talking to my mom 5 minutes ago. She said she told your dad my youtuber name. Thanks! It's been a lot of fun running this channel, and it's been incredible seeing how far it has come over the years. Hope you are doing good as well!

@@mossbag69 damn, we're having mossbag lore now??

Collector doesn't have a shade if you think on it hard enough... thonk

@@pyroball602 .... It can't leave a Shade cause it's just Void. As far as we know, only Vessels, the hollowed out children of the Pale King and White Lady, leave shades behind. Have we seen *anyone* or *anything* else give off a shade? There's *us* (The Knight), the Hollow Knight, and *our* Siblings (I say "us" and "our" 'cause that's who *we* play as). It's possible that the Collector *IS* a Shade, meaning that when we kill him, there's nothing else that can happen; he's *dead.* (BTW, if you use Godhome as an excuse to think he *isn't* dead, well... Godhome's a *Dream realm* where the Godseekers focus on Gods (powerful beings) to imagine them as they were before you killed them, or when they were in their prime; in reality, they still *are* dead. Just in case, ya know.) Regardless, it seems to me that you might be trying to stretch for any evidence that points towards Hornet being made of Void, when there's a big, fat and wide carpet-bombing's worth of evidence that challenges the idea. There isn't enough evidence to convince me *(at least)* that Hornet is made of Void. I could be wrong about you, but it just seems that way. Either way.... *thonk.*

@@pyroball602 So does the Kingsmoulds and Wingmoulds. The Collector is just void creature. It is not a vessel. It does not have a Pale Shell so why would it leave a shade?

this is evidence that hornet is made of screen transitions

@@yuuri_ AH!! Never thought of that! *Genius!!*

Hornet actually enter there and survived after the Radiance fight

@@phoe9629 it says sustain not visit

@@phoe9629 she didn't say "it would kill me", she said "would drain me". Meaning that it would weaken her making her useless to fight. She didn't fight, she just waited for Hollow Kid to weaken Hollow Knight enough. Only the likes of Hollow Knights were not drained.

@@hermitcard4494 Hm... You're right, I've interpreted it like she would die, my bad

Eduardo Gutierrez these whole comments are cursed

Facts

Actually Hornet is: 25% waifu 25% git gud 50% SHAW

Great megamind quote

but there are tooth fairies and santa clause exists, but he went too far with the earth point

Mossbag also messed up the quote it is actually “there is no Easter bunny there is no tooth fairy and there is no queen of England”

Santa is not real and Jesus did not happen!

"there is no santa claus, there is no tooth fairy, and there is no void in Hornet"

I think it says that because the truly hollow vessel would not have a voice at all but I could be wrong

The collector is a void being and can laugh and make noises, so I don't think that matters. But hornet isn't void.

@@jonathan9304 it should have no thoughts so why would it speak

@@reeseelia2357 I think the collector has a voice because it's not a vessel

@@magis1234 well no shit mate!

I do like the Idea, but in the pale kings Workshop is a (idk how to call it, "machine"?) with the shape of the collector in it, so he was most likely created by the pale king.

Zote?

So 100% good character

Lol the urge is strong

Sweet Pebbles I always heard “Get through” instead of git gud

@@shmarfle47 that would actually make more sense, as in, get through the boundaries between the physical world and the dream world

@@shmarfle47 i always thought she Said/yelled "Desu!" Instead of "get through" or "get good"

Instead of taking the easy way and killing the Hollow Knight, Hornet says to git gud and fight Radiance

Exactly. I thought this was clear evidence that she's not void. I don't know why it wasn't included in the video...

how come the knight is still with hornet?

@@MiltonRosso He's not. The true ending is defeating the Radiance in the Black Egg. In this one all void goes underground. You must be thinking of the extra ending added on the Gods and Glory dlc. In this one, someone steps towards Hornet waiting at the door, possibly the Hollow Knight free from the Radiance's influence.

have not watched the video yet, but this is my thoughts also. Its clear she is not part of the void, as all the void returned.

You could argue that since she is an independent creature, the formless void receding wouldnt effect her. Though that is reaching.

somnolent Slumber Their mouth is under their mask, it’s pretty simple really.

@@zememerr2329 Hmm. But it gets difficult to tell who's wearing a mask, and who's face just looks like that.

Sir Sleepy this is probably why the mask makers diolouge exists.

Hazzah!

Sir Sleepy, i have the same complaint of My Hero Academia...

* pain *

That hurted more than path of pain.

lets fuck off

That’s it. You’re getting the skyscraper sized needle.

Minrod Vils theres no *need-dle* to recurre to violence

unlike herrah, hornet is not T H I C C C Q U E

Quorine Hornet’s like the opposite of thicc lmao

@@AxolBedwars SHES THIN NOT THICK

@@AxolBedwars she's the opposite of thick *and that's great* :]

"I'm not flat!" -Hornet and earth-chan in unison

“No voice to cry suffering” It’s so obvious Even the Pure Vessel doesn’t cry out when the fight starts. It’s completely silent

@No YeLLInG On THE BuS apparently vessels were forced to not have a voice whether they think or not

@No YeLLInG On THE BuS the only vessels, with a voice are the broken vessel at the ancient basin and the hollow knight, but those ones are corrupted by the radiance and even sounds like her. but when you fight the hollow knight as the pure vessel, it screams but has no voice, you only hear the wind blowing. So no, vessels don't have voices.

Hornet: *speaks* Everyone here: see? No void!

@@lukaerd6258 I love all the attention to detail in this game. Pure Vessel isn't just "the final boss but harder". It has actual lore implications and its attacks change based on the fact that it's not corrupted by the infection but is more in control of its body and soul abilities.

Fun insect fact! Bug blood is called hemolymph!

Danny Douglas When you die, you see someone in a dark cloak wielding a scythe. It’s him. Zote the mighty. But he’s not here to crush you, instead, he is here to take you somewhere. Zote laughs about how foolish you were to be decapitated by a young and incompetent mantis petra. Zote then takes you to the void. Zote takes many others to the afterlife as well. Zote is death.

Zote is *ACTUALLY* the Pale King.

he should make a video about the pale king, if he is dead or not

Flamefire17 i want zote to crush me

Now i doubt he can explain eternal ordeal to be honest

I’m still a better waifu than my sister

@@purevessel4801 you dont have a gender tho

@@themyconidwitch I don’t need a gender to be a waifu

@@purevessel4801 i know but its just,waifu is used for girls

@@purevessel4801 hello

also "I won't be joining you in this. That space is built to sustain your likes. Its binding would drain me were I to join."

also she can talk! the vessels have no voice to cry suffering. hornet has a voice. so she's not a vessel.

100% waifu, 0% void.

Wow so young and aiready a killer

Holy crap I bow down to your brilliance 🙇

Oops I though you were the 0:57 one

Congratz

that's racist

congrats

Wait... *re-reads* -_- o_o 0_0

This guy fucks

@@madcap3450,giant spiders and trees

Kinky Ineffective Notorious God

Very Edgy Super Soldier Except Loser

Counter conter is defective vessels

Hornet is not void. However, this argument is wrong, as you are inferring causality from correlation. 1. All vessels are referred to as genderless. This is true. 2. All vessels contain only void. This is also true, as far as we have seen. 3. Only the vessels, which are made of void, are genderless. For all of the bugs we have seen, this has been true. 4. Hornet is referred to as the gendered child, the opposite of genderless. This is also true. In none of this has there been any evidence that Hornet is void, because you are assuming that being void is the same as being a vessel, however we have seen that this is not the case; Kingsmoulds and the Collector are examples of why this is false. Your correlation is that all vessels have void, all vessels are genderless. Your inference of causation is that therefore, all void is genderless. Just because both things are linked to being a vessel does not mean that they are linked to each other, so your argument is inherently flawed.

@@juliuskulla2097 There's no reason to believe all things void aren't genderless though. The Kingsmould are void constructs, meaning they're Golems build by the Pale King for a purpose. There's no reason it would need a gender. The Hunter's journal even refers to the Kingmoulds as "it" clearly avoiding gendered pronouns. Now you may have a point with the Collector although again the Hunter's journal refers to the Collector as an it. If we had been given any indication that void beings could have a gender you'd have a point, but since there is no evidence that points to gendered void beings I'll side with Mr. Memes.

@@juliuskulla2097 If Hornet isn't a vessel then she has no reason to be made of void. They're technically correct in a roundabout way, still proof. Then again, maybe my reading comprehension is garbage

Julius Kulla well, no, because he’s still right, it was just a mistake, he’s still right, the kingsmoulds and wingsmoulds are genderless as well, he was referring to only the vessels because only the vessels are children of the pale kings, the kingsmoulds and wingsmoulds can’t have genders because they’re constructs, kind of like robots

@@juliuskulla2097 can you not write a fucking college essay for why my argument about a videogame is wrong you idiot

By Harlan Ellison

and I must EGALEEEH!

this is actually solid evidence

and now we wait

Holy fuck you are right

I thought my Grimmchild ate you!

Exactly. And now we wait... i am too hyped for it tbh. Especially aftet the ending of godmaster.

Good god I should have proof read that

the opposite might also be true, the reason "ghost" does those things could be A: the bug it's helping could reward it in a way that further benefits the main goal (like giving a mask shard so it can more easily avoid death) B: it may lead "ghost" to an area that further benefits the main goal, and C: the task may grant it an ally that would help in accomplishing the main goal the only important thing is weather or not "ghost" has an Ideal or feeling driving it. A good counterpoint is moments like when "ghost" sits next to quirrel before he either leaves or dies or something (not sure what actually happens) or when it strikes down the nailsmith as per request (purely optional but it CAN happen so I guess it's half-cannon) since either side could give their own interpretation every one of "ghosts" possible actions I think it's safe to assume that we don't know if this games player character is a truly "perfect vessel" or not and we might as well flip a coin for all it matters.

confirming that the pale king is indeed a fucking idiot

The hollow knight was a perfect vessel until the king bonded with him as shown in the path of pain cutscene so in reality the king finally found his perfect vessel until he fucked it up. The bonding gave the infection something to corrupt and allowing it to seep out. But case and point, the perfect vessel does exist the king just kept ruining it

When you beat the Hollow Knight the normal way, you just stave off the corruption. You will lose to it as well, at some point. The only reason the Hollow Knight lost in the end, is because he didn't have the King Soul charm, and didn't gain a greater control over the Void. Pale King failed, because he wasn't brave enough, to grant the Vessel god-like power. He thought, that just some sprinkling of Void would have been enough.

@@cyryl3827 I'm more inclined to believe that the Pale King could not understand the Void and foresee its doings (most likely because the Void is older than time, stronger than anything and eldritch in nature, so his powers of future telling could not reach it), so even after foreseeing the future of doom on the kingdom he would erect, he still believes it could be saved with the use of the Void. Remember how empty the palace felt? The King did not have to study most things because he could both tell the future and remember from his vast memories of the world. The Void, however, was out of his reach, unless he decided to learn about it by experiments. And that's why he had a workshop on the Acient Basin. In other words, it's not that he distrusts the Vessels and give HK too little power, he just can't figure out how to tap the power of The Abyss anymore. Honestly speaking, HK was more than enough to keep Radiance sealed for a long time, but its gradual gain of personality would eventually make it both unable to contain the infection and less adequate of a vessel (void needs emptiness, and that's why HK has no void attacks after being infected). Such is his disappointment when his plans are ruined that he assumes the kingdom has no chance of ever recovering, and all his personal sacrifices along with the ones did by his subjects were put to waste. A promise of an eternal kingdom just to throw everything he got and fail at last? Shame and sorrow no one can bear. If HK was simply not given the strenght he needed, PK would for sure try to correct his mistake. Instead, PK just gave up, most likely because he had already exausted his tools, or at least so he tought.

HRRMMMMMM I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN JUST HOW POWERFUL GORB WAS

I thought about that as well, maybe he is, maybe he's not, who knows?

Dear god, you're right.

Plus, he's in the howling cliffs, the place that the Godseeker's entered

ASquared I thought the same

She wasn't even made to hold the Radiance though.

Milk_Choc exactly, so there’s no reason she would be void

She can't be a vessel either way, she has a mind

@@rich_gamer0667 *coughs* Hollow Knight *coughs*

@@rich_gamer0667 your referring to a PERFECT verssel not just a vessel our little boi is just a vessel yet he still is able to do side quests heck the hollow knight was able to feel attached to the pale king even thought he is a vessel

or the exact opposite *Angy moss noises*

Kathy Kat there are shades of purple that look like that. Colors can be weird. There are colors considered white that are peach. Of course that might have something to do with skin color.

Red cloak

It isn't even that! It's RED!!!

I am so confused.

@@quinn.blink_141 thank you man, it's hard out here for a color blind Phoenix, red and purple have always looked alike to me.

she justed want to make some dough mining crystals :(

I was sad when I found out myla was gonna get infected and there was nothing I could do to prevent it :(

imagine every agressive bug not infected walking around in a suit and tie talking about stonks

@@joshtucker746 lol

Disrespectful, but accurate

Maybe Hollow Knight is the more feminine type, who knows? I mean, it literally has no genitals so... Yeah.

@@goosemanVEVO Tall, dark and handsome. He has all the important features to be male and desired by many.

@@lucchi018 Now I just wanna set up a Hollow Knight Tinder account.

Zote is hotter.

@@goosemanVEVO Fun fact, in the Kickstarter page, Team Cherry referred to the Knight as male, meaning he was originally planned to be a boy. (Not to mention literally the entire fanbase refers to the vessels as males)

... yes.

F-F-UUUUCK!

he's also implying that the earth is flat, so that doesn't mean anything. I think...

yes

No, santa is obviously real! What else would explain the 80 year old man that comes every Christmas and asks my 7 year old self if i want "presents"!? *wait a second*

M I L K I S M I L K

@@notyourdad221 Silk is silk*

Silk waifu

I wonder if she has 8 limbs

@@leemeyer9395 so that she can touch eight spots at a time?

*HOLE*

Sucked Dark Nothing Hole What are you trying to say

Yeah, I know. That comment was deVOID of any humor whatsoever.

STOP BRINGING THESE (hole)SOME PUNS?

@@ultr4tr1ps Please a *VOID* these horrible puns.

wrong 33% spooderness 33% paleness 33% girl 1% non waifu

he said to not actually call him that

@@micahlehrke9 No shit. Not like that's a joke.

woooooosh

@@commandblock7077 who got wooshed here? you? thats the only possibility

@@ValeriosProto thanks for wooshing me for no reason mister r/iusereddit

i am agender and this is how i lost mine

"Damn it, I dropped my she/her. Not again..."

"My dick fell off wtf..."

Shit lost ma verginaty

I imagined the other physical thing

Why does this have so many likes but no comments?

"Some things should never be discovered" - Pale king

No, they failed, I actually thiink that they are like they are vessels that died (Basically STeel Soul). Such as Broken Vessel (He is dead and his Shade is somewhere, he is not alive when fighting him. (Wait, then why when defeat Lost kin he has a soul? SHOULDNT IT BE A SHADE OR SOMETHING?)

The key word in that phrase is know

they failed, but also the pale king grew attached to the hollow knight, likely because it was the first vessel to make it out. its not like he made all the vessels duel it out and instead chose the first that made it out. also, what if the pale king knew the hollow knight wasn't strong enough and saw the knight contain the radiance? he did have the ability to see into the future, it took the HK AND 3 dreamers to seal away the radiance and the knight does it without a single dreamer to help. that would also rely on the knight being the perfect vessel. he might've banked on that and didn't see the knight be able to kill the radiance truly and fully, instead of putting a cork in it like the endings. several characters do comment on how the king seemed to make some poor predictions

Hey! I’m not defective

You get soul from hollow knight, but I heard it's maybe because of the shell

@Rohaan Mohammed quirrel is not better waifu material than me

Pure Vessel best vessel, best waifu

He's joking... Right?

Nah we all know the earth is a doughnut

And more than half of hollow knight r34

@@somedude140 he actually paid her to have sex with her. Pale king payed with a child. But am not really sure who payed who.

Yeah, this guy fucks

Yep XD

Hiphyro u

No costs too great.

And The Knight. Since, you know, has will strong enough to "unify void", and thats a big flaw as far as the purpose of vessels goes.

And that one knight in Hornet's boss room in greenpath who is defeated by her

and all the ones in the nosks chamber

AND THE TRILLIONS OF DEAD VESSELS

No, hes not defective, he failed in his mission and then the infection took control of his body, but he is ded

We don't actually know if the weavers use souls for their silk. We don't really know anything about the magical powers in Hollow Knight sadly. Even soul is very vaguely explained inside the game.

CONFIRMED

No, it's a hexahedron

It's velociraptor-shaped, with the tip of its tail being Mt Everest.

clearly, the earth is actually sans from undertale

The earth is a mobius strip you dumb fucks