Why I Am NOT Buying Sonic Origins 

If you're on PC or a hacked Switch, and looking for the best versions of these games to get, this may interest you: A decent number of comments have mentioned there are more fleshed out versions of the decompilations available: Sonic 1 Forever, Sonic 2 Absolute, and Sonic CD Restored. Apparently, they are similarly customizable to Sonic 3: A.I.R., which sounds great. I wasn't really aware of these options when I made the video, but I thank you all for letting me know about it, so I can pin this comment! Also, because I keep reading this: no, these versions by themselves are not IP theft. They are tools that do not hold the game code or assets; said code and assets have to be injected. How the individual goes about acquiring the original games can be illegal, but I'd bought them all directly from Sega when that was still possible. Just wanted to throw that out there; these are not fan games that actually contain copyrighted material within. Case in point: Nintendo tried taking down the Super Mario 64 decompilation, but was only able to do so for ports that came pre-packaged with the game's assets. It's why an Ocarina of Time decompilation has also been developed, and why Nintendo hasn't been able to do much against it.

Really sucks that Aaron Webber's promise of more time between Sonic games just meant we'd get bad Sonic games at a slower rate.

Oh BTW the reason why Tails is broken in Origins Sonic 2 is because the code for the drop dash SEGA jerryrigged up uses the timer values for tails despawn for drop dash, essnetially not giving tails a timer

“Those who forget their history are condemned to repeat it.” Sega keeps trying to squeeze out a Sonic game for the anniversary, but ignores the lessons of the past. Yeah, wonder why they're no longer in the console business...

14:09 Just to clarify something in this part, the versions of Carnival Night, Ice Cap and Launch Base used in Origins weren’t actually made for this collection. Rather, there is heavy speculation that the versions used in Origins were actually archived recordings of _even earlier_ renditions of the tracks that Jun had on hand. This is due to elements of the tracks being even further unrefined (ex: mistakes in note data) from both the PC Collection midis, and the 1103 Prototype. Not to mention how the Competition Menu theme, the S3A credits track, and the unused Super Sonic theme (repurposed for the new Blue Spheres mode) all sound IDENTICAL to the 1103 prototype, which all leads to the conclusion that the only track Jun actually had a full hand in doing was the new Super Sonic theme. And that’s it.

We lost the Steam versions of Sonic 1,2,CD, and 3&K for this. Just think about that. For those unaware, those versions had Steam Workshop support.

The reason the drop dash feels off in Sonic 1 and 2 is because of a feature called roll-locking. In the original versions of the games, if you jumped out of a roll, Sonic would behave differently than if you jumped from a run or standing. When jumping out of a roll, Sonic's directional input is locked, so you can't influence his movement jumping out of a roll. This was not in Mania specifically because of the drop dash and the Mobile version of Sonic CD as well as this new retro engine version of 3K don't have roll locking either. Not sure why it was left in 1 and 2? Probably due to the aforementioned fact of origins obviously having been rushed.

The part with comparing this rushjob to what Nintendo's been doing regularly hits really close. It's impressive how these legacy collections, including Pacman Museum Plus, keep being treated as too-big-to-fail cash-ins to give these game companies easy income, while not giving much respect to the games that they so deserve whenever they're brought back.

The thing that bothers me the most about Sonic 3's music isn't the fact that the songs are replaced, it's the fact that these great-sounding prototype tracks sound awful and it makes people who like the originals hate them even more. But in the right hands, like you were saying, the tracks could have sounded great. Bouncy and Mastered Realm are perfect examples of Sonic Fans that are very competent enough to "remaster" these prototype tracks more than official Sonic employees. (No disrespect to Senoue) but what the heck did he do to the prototype tracks?? By the way, have you heard this version of ice cap prototype? Check it out: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-cM-_kkL-3Yc.html If the version in origins sounded like this, I may not have canceled my preorder. But as of now, Sega has really damaged the franchise for me by being lazy and greedy by trying to charge 40 dollars for 4 games that are over 25 years old by this point.

Something else to mention is lack of choice. Rather than fluent options, you get "Play Anniversary or Classic" We've already had more fluent options with Mania and with past re-releases, so why is Origins (the supposed definitive versions of these games that they _removed_ other versions for) so set in stone? What if I want to play in widescreen but with lives? Or the classic 4:3 resolution, but with new moves, or for coins? Why is screen resolution tied to game mode? Why not offer the customisable moveset that Mania and the Switch ports of 1 and 2 offered? Might seem picky, but with games like this that have already been released so many times (with more choice!) it's these features and options that make or break this kind of collection, and Origins absolutely falls short

20:50 No you’re not being too harsh or dramatic, everything you’re saying is accurate. Everything you’ve mentioned is the reason why I’m also not buying Origins, when I was initially excited about it’s announcement.

Know what Sonic 3 A.I.R. also has? The prototype tracks (optional). And they actually sound right. You know... in the free fan remaster that doesn't cost forty to forty-five bucks.

At worst, I expected Origins to be an overpriced mediocrity because Sonic 1, 2 and CD already had remasters, so most of the work was already done and it was gonna focus in Sonic 3&K and extra content, but it was barely passable. How Sega still doesn't learn a thing after 20 years? The worst is that Sonic games always had a decent price in countries like Brazil but after the movies' success, Sega absurdly inflated the prices of the games, including Origins and it's convoluted tiers

Sonic Jam and Sonic Mega collection blow Origins away with all the extra games/extra content they have to offer. I wish they would of added the best of both worlds into one.

Others have probably already said it, but I'd like to add that the decompilations of Sonic 1, 2 and CD all have amazing fan versions similar to Sonic 3 A.I.R. Sonic Forver, Sonic 2 Absolute and Sonic CD Restored & Knuckles (with a save file) are the the definitive versions of those games. Particularly for PC players, Origins offers very little of value over what is already out there for free.

I’m thankful that my experience with origins has been decent so far. However, I do agree that the price is too high for what you’re getting. Hope the reason why origins didn’t have that much time to iron out everything is because the rest of the team is super focused on frontiers. It would be very funny if we got the inverse of 2017 for sonic, where the 3D game is better than the 2d game.

Sega has done some amazing things in their history but at the same time they’re known to do some straight up bogus shit. For example the Game Gear Micro could’ve been an EASY home run money maker but they made it the size of a fucking toothpick.

These recent string of broken/unpolished remasters only carries one advantage for me; I can save money on not buying them. Sonic Origins while not bad, has a few too many flaws to consider purchasing over the decomp ports/emulation. I'm sure they'll fix it but it'll be too late for me to care

One of the most dissapointing stuffs is the lack of options (like having the Anniversary Mode/Mirror Anniversary with limited lives) or illogic decisions like NOT allowing to play as Knuckles or Knuckles+Tails in Sonic 2 in "classic" mode WITHOUT the stage select cheat code (in the case of Knuckles+Tails it has sense is NOT allowed without the cheat) and Sonic+Tails in Sonic 1 regardless of Anniversary or Classic Mode... which in Classic Mode ALSO has sense for obvious reasons, logically, the PC version can fix some of those issues regardless if Sega bothers to do so or not... but is ALSO a shame that the PC version uses Denuvo.

It's so frustrating seeing Sega and other companies treat rereleases and remasters this way. Was it really worth rushing the game so it could be out on the 31st anniversary of Sonic 1's release? The franchise must still be plenty profitable enough that Sega just doesn't care whatsoever. It makes me wonder how many people who buy these games are completely isolated from the outcry and piss-takes you see on social media whenever a Sonic game releases these days. Anyway great video lol. Looking forward to what else you have in store!

This video says almost everything I ever wanted to say about Origins. Thank you. And here's one more thing for the road. I think Sega is quite aware of the fan efforts to remaster these games, and one thing I do appreciate about Origins is that it is recognizing that slapping them with takedowns is not the solution. They view the fan efforts as competition, as it should be. Hence all this extra content like Mission Mode and the Musuem and the animated cutscenes; that is unique content that only Sega could provide at such a high quality (in ideal circumstances). In a way, I applaud that. But speaking for me, personally, I would much rather all of these extras and enhancements weren't there, and that all the effort spent on them went to delivering a better game. And the same goes to Colors Ultimate. I didn't ask for extra Wisps to be shoehorned into the level design, I asked for a great way to experience Colors on modern consoles and on PC. I didn't get that. Maybe I'm too naive, but I think this collection would have sold just fine without all of these extras just on the fact that you press a few buttons and it's available immediately. That's a real advantage this would have that AIR and the decompliations especially can't quite obtain. And considering the fact that the extras they put all this importance on suffer from the same lack of attention given to the games themselves, kinda just proves my point. What's the point of adding these extras when you can't put in the time and effort to make them good? And what's the point if the thing they're being adding to also can't get the necessary time and effort to be made good? Sometimes, less is more.

Man this is such a disappointing outcome from sega. Back in the days of the 3ds classics line they packed their re masters with an overwhelming amount of graphical and gameplay customisability, all while having the option to play these old games in 3d. I thought the sega ages port of outrun on switch was a fantastic home port but after playing it on 3ds it feels more passable and stripped down, and I think it still has more customisability than origins

At this point the future of this series lies with the fanbase. The movies were excellent and the fan-games offer considerably more content than the official titles.

Unfortunately the lack of transparency in waterfalls is also a problem in Mania. (I loved the dithering effect in my old mega drive)

This collection at the end reminds me a lot of 3D All Stars, it does have more effort put into it than the latter (which had none basically) thanks to the animations and the new port of 3K, but other than that they have the same 2 fatal flaws, they are way too expensive for what they offer, in the case of Sonic being next to the price the mobile versions have always had, and while they are a fine way to play them on consoles on a legal way, there are better options on PC that are not very difficult at all to set up.

18:54 So not only did Sega pull another Sonic 06, they pulled a Rockstar Games. I should be surprised, but I'm not. Sega is infamous for shooting themselves in the foot, especially when it comes to their business decisions. It's the reason why they became a third party developer, and stopped developing consoles.

If Sega somehow manages to fuck up a remaster of their most beloved games even when working with some of the most passionate people in the community, then how the hell can people still have faith in Frontiers being good?

It almost feels like Sega are sabotaging themselves at this rate...it is really hard to conceive a company would be this bad for this long and only seem to get worse instead of better.

I hate that others have said "It's bad but it's still convenient enough to make it worth buying." and am so glad that you're pointing out the same issues, and then coming to the saner conclusion. This is the best video on the subject I've seen so far. You really went to extra detail on a lot of things. And that you made the message clear on how bad this is, that this is a more expensive and worse version of something that was already available. We can't let this be a success story for Sega, or else they'll never see the need to try. Money is the only thing they cared about when they released this, money is the only thing they'll care about when we say we didn't like it. The only message they'll listen to, is us not buying this game.

I couldn't have said it better myself. I mean, what is there left to say about Origins that hasn't already been said? Playing it through Yuzu made me realize how, for the lack of a better word, broken it really was. Like I got stuck in one of the water tunnels in Hydrocity Zone. That being said, did you know that Christian Whitehead originally advocated for a mobile port of Sonic 3 but was turned down by SEGA? Had he gone through porting it, Origins might've had a better release. Until then, it's best to stick with the fan made stuff, emulation, older compilations or even the original hardware if you still have it.

I would like to add something you omitted when talking about the decompiled Retroengine versions of Sonic 1 and 2 for PC: There exist Sonic 1 Forever and Sonic 2 Absolute, based on those Retroengine versions, which are _essentially_ to Sonic 1 and 2 what Sonic 3 A.I.R. is to Sonic 3 & Knuckles. They are without a doubt the definitive way to play Sonic 1 and 2! (So another reason to not buy Origins...)

The majority stuff from the origins museum can be found and seen in the mega collection on ps2/Xbox. It even has old comic covers included

And I honestly would turn a blind eye to all of these issues if they just made a physical version but they didn’t and that’s the #1 reason why I’m not buying it.

Back when origins was announced I expected it to be a lackluster collection and after seeing all these videos about origins I was right

I really want to man. I want a remastered collection for sonic like this with a sonic jam like interface and even the islands to go between games or something . They could really go crazy lol add like a crash bandicoot 1 style map that you traverse as you complete levels , new in zone challenges or red coins like generations or unleashed

When this hits 50% on sale I'll be all over it, but at full price I don't think it's worth it, despite having craved a proper console version of S3&K for a long time.

18:50 Ah yes, the "rockstar" move, remove the classic ones from store and put the new and broken version. All that remain it's to sega say this collection is the "Definitive edition".

19:44 you got that right, Hidden Palace in Sonic 2 "classic" mode is still there. Yeah, it's sad that the collection was (overall) rushed and honestly my experience with Sonic 3 was not that great despite some stuff I liked to see they implemented like a proper transition from Launch Base to Mushroom Hill (however, while not in the same quality, the hack Sonic 3 complete already did that years before Origins... and sad A.I.R didn't implement that Sonic 3 Complete transition in Sonic's story), is good enough but... if you end up getting it, is better on a deal due to it's flaws, and yeah, I can find myself playing the decompilations of the games or Sonic 3 A.I.R. more (or Sonic Delta romhack or in the case of Sonic 3, Sonic 3 Complete romhack).

In remarks to Knuckles not/being playable, they also advertised "new playable characters" which the final product doesn't contain. So while not lying with Knuckles they actually did lie.

You know modern gaming is awful when they can't even get classic compilations right anymore.

Great video, but I personally got immense joy from finally playing Sonic 3&K on my Switch AND in widescreen. I love that game so much that that alone made the whole thing worth it to me, even if the fan versions are absolutely better.

Why dose it always seem like sega is at fault for when a sonic game is bad in some way

Sonic Origins is a way for Sega to extend their copyright over the classic games, similar to how Disney keeps using Micky & re-releasing old movies.

Modding the Genesis Mini to have extra ROMs in addition to Sonic 3 Complete is the best thing to do in my opinion.

how do you get Sonic 3 and knuckles from steam now since they removed it?

I bought this and sadly had to return it on Steam. I'm completely fine with paying more for less titles in a compilation if it means they're accurate and have great enhancements but Origins had neither going for it. I'm completely fine going back to the decompilation fan versions on PC.

I've said this before in another Origins video and I'll say it again - in my opinion, Origins always felt like a massive step backward compared to all the other major Sonic collections (Mega, Gems, even Jam). The Genesis Sonic games are like Doom or Pac-Man to me - they are great games, but I've already played them hundreds of times, so they aren't that appealing on their own to me at this point, Taxman's versions or not. We've got powerful hardware capable of emulating games from 5th and 6th generations of gaming, the fact that many companies are still stuck with re-releasing 8-bit and 16-bit games is very disappointing to me. I would've paid 60 dollars for one big collection featuring every Sonic game pre-2006.

Watching deep into the video and quite frankly, I can't blame you for not wanting to purchase these titles when better versions of the games with more care put into them exist for free when Sega even went as far as to delist the other versions off of other platforms (Minus the Sega Arcade on Switch). And while there are those who do enjoy this package simply because there's an option to play these games, I honestly cannot see the benefit nor the incentive to wanna support this, mainly on the subject of its pricing. An example I will use are Capcom's MegaMan Legacy Collections (Of which, we have "3" out "4", but actually 5 and 7 since 3 collections are split into 2), in which case, yes, they have varying problems that make them off-putting experiences for numerous reasons (Outside of Zero/ZX IMO)...but, they don't actively cost too much or ask you to pay for ridiculous DLC just to have basic features that exist to nickel and dime folks out of their money. And even then, in Sega's situation, their track record with anything Sonic-related also doesn't give one much hope in thinking that something won't be wrong with whatever they put out given that Colors was ultimately (Unintentional...) botched and shames that game's outlook. At this point, we have people asking for them to release collections of the DIMPs era titles, but do we really want them knowing that they're likely to be mediocre recreations that fans might've already enhanced?

I don't get why sonic is so horribly mismanaged. Yakuza is one of their best series and that has been going really well. Sonic is their most popular series, it deserves more. And with the way frontier's looks, I don't think that'll be good. You'd think they would have learned not to release a sonic game early so that it comes on a bs anniversary date. Sales don't go up if it's released on an anniversary. It's marketing that doesn't work. They have failed at this multiple times. How have they not learned from their mistakes?

If Origins is lacking stuff like a screen filter, something a game from 2017 (Sonic Mania), why I am not surprised it lacks all the options a collection from 1997 (Sonic Jam) had, like difficulty settings, time limit removal and actually being turn on and off the Spin Dash in Sonic 1. All while being able to mix and match settings to your heart's desire, making it like Sonic 3 A.I.R before that was a thing. Also, along with Knuckles' absence in CD, where is he in the Classic mode of Sonic 2? The mode that boasts about being like playing on a Mega Drive. Its almost as Lock-On technology wasn't a thing back in 1994. While I would say an Advance widescreen collection would have been better - as when where those games actually given a proper re-release in the one bundle? - but given the shoddy build quality of Origins, I can only wonder the state they'd be in, leaving it again to fans to do what Sega don't and fix their games for them. History doesn't repeat itself, Sega does. Also the mention of new characters in the trailers is blatant false advertising, because there are no new characters in the Origin collection. Amy and Metal would have been nice additions, Amy especially given how much screen time she gets in the cutscenes.

The reason the super sonic music in sonic 3 sounds like sonic 4 is because it’s actually the super sonic theme for sonic 4 episode 3. Which never came out. But it’s pretty good.

I’ve been a Sega fan since I first saw ads for the Master System in 1988. I didn’t get a model two SGEN until 1994 but I still love it to this day. I still have the classic Sonic games, even 3D Blast, which has cool music. I also like the SCD and the 32X and I know how disliked by many they both are. I bought a PS4 so I could play Mania and I love it. But I won’t be getting Origins. Not until it gets a serious patch to fix all its problems. Great video!

I'm very glad that you properly put things into perspective with the first 9 minutes, discussing mobile and fan ports with proper credits and all that. Good job man, thank you for that.

Bad marketing by SEGA, they haven’t learn there lessons - rushing game during development also every time they keep repeating history (rushing) they doom to fail (despite Headcannon responsibility for S3&K) average/mix to good review They should let Tee Topes do his version of S3&K OST🤔

6:18 they did an incredible job, i have it and it runs flawlessly. 16:20 my favorite feature of Sonic 3 AIR is being able to get rid of that Super Sonic music and just have the normal zone music instead, ooooh it's SO much better!!! that repetitive stuff makes me nuts

Honestly if they just used the music directly from the Sonic and Knuckles Collections PC (very rare to find in good condition now), they could have used the FM synthesized versions for most of the levels. Edit: I recalled the pack from when I was in the 4th grade, it was called the Sonic Action Pack.

Thank you for being one of the few creators that won't give any money to a disgusting product just for the hell of it.

The fact that Sega delisted the separate copies of these games still infuriates me to this day, especially with Sonic CD since I wanted to play the Xbox 360 version but have no way to play it legally because I did not find the time to buy it for some stupid reason. If only there was another way to play that version… :(

And of course sonic forever, sonic 2 absolute and sonic cd restored (decompilation of the original steam version). Versions that use a retro engine and have sharp pixels and cd restored in al not only tails also have the amy and together if an add-on is also the knuckles

*Sega went all EA this year*

Awesome xD I'm glad you all took a picture cuz it looked like you all had fun. Heck yeah. Also, it's mind boggling that these problems exist with origins. I bought it to be supportive because I thought they put in more work than they did. Seeing as they went through the trouble to do the animations. I was super excited when I saw them xD But it's a sadness to see stuff like this. They used to go all out with the games years ago. Where did that go? Unfortunate :/ Enjoyed the video! Have a nice day everyone.

Anyone know how to get the decomp versions of the 1st 3 games on PC? I haven’t heard of these until this video, but by the sounds of it, it requires the Steam Mega Drive Collection versions. I may be wrong. Definitely gonna check out Sonic 3 AIR, though.

What's that remix at the end? I know it's a remix of something, but I can't remember what. 😅

Origins is just a rushed cash grab. When I saw the announcement trailer I was super hyped but the more news that came the more my hype would drop. 1st the price I’m sorry but as much I love sonic cd I wasn’t going to spend 40 bucks just to play it if they added the sonic advance trilogy maybe I be ok with it. 2nd the dlc did this really need dlc I mean come on really. 3rd the lack of a option to play with a limited lives system with the remastered visuals I find this in particular a baffling choice considering these ports of the mobile versions. 4th the delisting of the other versions this is a scummy business practice. Forcing people to buy this overpriced piece of crap. 5th and the final reason is what stealth said, if your developers aren’t satisfied with the work they done why would I be? I honestly can’t blame them look at those glitches. I don’t know maybe I was expecting too much.but this also the same company that made the shitty remaster of sonic colors. I’m glad i didn’t buy origins and I don’t think I ever will.

Finally, the review of the classic Sonic remasters you teased all the way back in 2017!

Reminder that thanks to efforts from Skyth, Darío and rmg chuli (who also helped ducky with the decompilations) the filter in origins has been removed and the mania filters have been backported

The sad thing is that in Brazil,sega turned up the game price to 254 bucks!!! And the other sonic games on steam are basicly doubled the prices

13:26 Ngl this pic is kinda wholesome lol

Heck, after watching the Grand Prix at Silverstone the other day I was in a VERY F1 mood and I bought F1 22 at full price. I gave EA money (who I'd been boycotting since Crysis 3) before I even thought about giving it to SEGA for this trash. I could not have imagined myself ever saying that 5 years ago.

You forgot to mention that there's NO online play for Origins whether if it's a Console or P.C, what if I wanted to play against someone across the world or with my friends that are far away, Sega didn't care to do something about it so now you'll have to go back to the 1990's and try to bring your friends over. Heck, even Steam's Remote Play isn't available from the start so P.C Players are screwed the same way with either huddling around a Computer Monitor or laptop in hoping that one has a controller and that your computer has a Bluetooth Connection "hoping that it supports more than one connection" or more USB Plugs "despite that wires aren't that long" since Steam supports Xbox, Playstation and Nintendo Switch Pro controllers or else Multiplayer won't be the best option on P.C at all. Although you can use Parsec but that's just asking to show more of your P.C than go straight to the game. At least the Mobile Remaster for Sonic 2 had online Multiplayer since Day 1 from the release of the Retro Engine Port.

I always thought Sonic Mega Collection Plus on the XBox was the best ever compilation of the original Sonic titles.

Honestly with the red flags before and after it's release. I'm very glad I ended up preordering Capcom Fighting Collection over Sonic Origins.

Great video, good to see you're still making quality content all these years later. I'd seen some of the complaints about this game before but didn't realise it was quite this bad. Such a shame given how amazing the mobile ports of 1/2/CD were, can't believe they somehow made something worse than just directly porting those for PCs and consoles

If I want a handheld collection of the classic sonic games. I’d just get classic collection for ds or the genesis games and play em on a sega nomad along with getting the 2011 remake of sonic cd.

The pc version of sonic 3 and knuckles released yeeeeears ago on cd rom (1997 I think) had the prototype tracks instead of Jackson choons as well.

Dang I'm getting sonic air isntead of origins Seems way better

A well put together opinions video. It strongly contrasts with my experience with the game as I've barely had any issues with it on the Series X. Though seeing how fans did a better job already, I can see where the frustrations are coming from. Though this is my first time playing the games with the Retro engine and improvements they got really help give the game a better quality of life polish. The price doesn't bother me too much though I would've loved it if the anniversary mode had remixed tracks for all of the stages and a way to select a custom track to listen to. Although I will completely agree that the "classics" mode was very poorly done and makes me think "What was the point of this if it's not the actual classics?". Though I think I've been having a better time with it simply because before getting this game I got Mario Strikers Battle League and have been completely underwhelmed with the title and actually see more value in Origins because of it. I know that's a pretty sad comparison but I have also enjoyed my time playing Origins and have very rarely come across any glitches. Hopefully this game gets some great patches in the future.

I honestly would’ve bought it if it was high quality, even at 40 bucks. But it’s not. Sega fucking rushed this shit, while forcing headcannon to do the same, and that’s fucking unforgivable. I feel like a god damn moron for even defending this shit for months, because it just proved to me how everyone was right: that being that this is just a cheap cash grab made by a company who doesn’t give a shit. Even for kids, this is just a horrible way to play these games, and they are the target demographic. Just fucking shameful, dude. As much as I hate having to say this, because I rather hope for a company to at least release a good official way to play these games, you are absolutely right when you say that playing the decompilations are a way better alternative to this shit.

I will buy it when its patched since its digital only, or if it comes on a disc with the updates on the disc

Sega just loves making the worst decisions possible

The last sonic game I bought was Sonic Mania in 2017. I didn’t buy Forces, Team Sonic Racing, Colours Ultimate & Origins because it seemed they were rushing out titles lacking inspiration & polish (maybe not TSR, I didn’t buy it because it seemed like a downgrade compared to Transformed). & I don’t have high hopes for Frontiers either.

I've heard that Valve no longer at least for the most part provides upgrade discounts.

it's so wrong to say that but i wonder how the ppl who were saying this compilation was going to be be important and worth it before the release date, they're probably either quiet or in negation like, i was also expecting them to get it right since the remakes would finally get out of mobile phones and get more accessible, but the cracks were starting to show off week after week since the first proper trailer came out with that dlc table

Knuckles would not work in CD. Most of the terrain is too high for him to reach.

Great video!😄 For now, I'll just stick with Sega Ages Sonic 1 & 2 on my Switch & Nintendo 3DS and Sonic Mega Collection on GameCube!😁👍

Fantastic to finally see you are back with a fully detailed analaysis review etc. I've missed your content man and I was always left wondering when you would address and mention the Taxman ports. I'm also super glad that you are already fully aware of the best versions of the games to play. Sonic 3 A.I.R., Sonic 1 Forever, Sonic 2 Absolute, and Sonic CD Decompilation. Man I want to see more videos like this from you. Keep up the good work. Also you voice sounds a little different but I know you've grown a little older since your Sonic 1, 2, CD quickies don't cut it reviews lol.

I will say it to death, man. Forever thanks to DJspindash for making the Sonic 3 AIR prototype themes sound as good as they do. Just mentioning it because everyone seems to forget they weren't like that right off the bat, and had to be carefully remade by someone truly skilled, and they deserve all the credit I can give.

Origins is a disgrace !

I propose the reason misslabled tracks slipped through is one word "crunch"

I wasnt a big sonic fan but I was hyped for having the definitive remake to get into this classic games. So sad it didnt happen

My only BIG gripe with Origins is the pricing, and that's one thing everyone can agree on the pricing sucks. If it was $20 like Mania and $4.99 for the DLC, we clearly wouldn't have this problem. Thanks EA. I'm not even mad or disappointed that the MJ music didn't make it into Sonic 3 (Maybe except Ice Cap, but still.) What I AM disappointed over, however, is that they made the prototype soundtracks sound bad *AGAIN* by taking the tracks from an earlier prototype instead of taking it from the beta we know like normal sane people. I much prefer the more original take Beta CNZ had over the stereotypical mess that was the final version, but they ruined it in Origins. The new Super theme isn't bad, it just doesn't fit with the rest of the game. I am still proud of the visual changes made to Sonic 3, like Big Arms returning for Sonic and Tails, and the Launch Base transition to Mushroom Hill, which makes me wish A.I.R. had that. It probably will have that in a future update, who knows? The glitches can't be ignored either. Fortunately nothing too broken except the AI Tails respawn glitch which doesn't crash the game, but still. And the confirmation on where Sonic CD takes place in the timeline. The only reason I would have any reason to believe this prior is that the levels in Sonic CD are enhanced versions of the levels from Sonic 1. Maybe also Amy always being the Minnie Mouse to Sonic's Mickey Mouse. (Which was one of Sonic's inspirations.)

“Sonic is fast as you may have heard. Which can lead to moments, where you run into obstacles before you get a chance to react.” This was my biggest gripe with Sonic Mania. The stage layout was really cool but I hated running into some stupid obstacle that I couldn’t see come because the game motivated me to move fast. Sonic Adventure 1 I got an A on everything but Big’s challenges. Sonic for the genesis I got all the chaos emeralds from 1-3. Sonic Adventure 2 I unlocked everything. Both Sonics for the DS with Blaze got a max grade on everything. The stage layout was fine and it encourage a “gotta go fast” gameplay with a speed boost that protected you against enemies. But Mania there would be random spikes, an enemy that would just hit you, and obstacle that would just destroy the power up you just got. And now we have a new disaster that is Sonic Origins? I might as well just give up on Sonic platform games. I still have high hopes on Frontiers.

Great video. With you one hundred percent! How else are they going to learn? 🚫💰🚫

What does anisotropic mean? What makes sharp scaling better? If anything, my lack of knowledge shows just how behind I am with regards to game development.

The whole game is absolutely broken and I’m actually really mad about it! The more you play it, the more stuff you notice… I’m over SEGA and their trash

Well said, RZ. TheSqueakerNerd brought this up, but if you want a Sonic 3 AIR equivalent for Sonic 1 and 2's decomp, try out Sonic 1 Forever and Sonic 2 Absolute. These two fan projects are awesome!

Jun Senoue was actually a composer for S3&K, he's credited in both games the reason people may not know that is because from the very beginning he was terrible at making music with the genesis sound chip the reason everything he makes in that 'classic' style sounding like sonic 4 is because he doesn't understand what made that music sound good don't get me wrong, his music made the dreamcast era of sonic games, it's just that most things after and everything before just aren't his field of expertise

You can just kind of fix tails his respawning by letting him fly for a bit & when his flying sound ends but his tired flying sound never started then it worked

Glad that not everyone is a sheeple.

Sega's Corporate greed keeps me from getting Sonic Origins...straight up. They continually find ways to screw up with Sonic, but thrive with their other franchises. I'm playing Lost Judgement right now, and the extras in this game make it worth the price. Heck, Sonic Fighters is in the game. Why is it that they treat their smaller IPs better than their golden boy Sonic?