Here’s a copy of the presentation slides: No Longer Calvinist Part 3: www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/xgtc01b9e59bd6r3jv3g5/Calvinist-No-Longer-Part-3.pdf?rlkey=z5de9qit3nkem9ja6uracftrw&dl=0
What could be more sovereign than giving your creation the free will to choose, yet STILL God is able to perform and execute His will regardless. What a God we serve!!
Thank you so much for these videos... Honestly, having studied the scripture since I was 17. And now I'm 69 years old. I cannot for the life of me understand how any believer can embrace calvinistic philosophy... From my perspective, Calvinism runs contrary to the entire intent and scope of scripture and makes a mockery of the beautiful, deep, far-reaching, unfathomable love of Jesus Christ.
They literally worship power and see god as prideful…..they assume God’s power, sovereignty and glory are what is most important to him. Although those are a given, His grace, love, forgiveness and vulnerability are the things God most emphasizes. Calvinists see these as weak. I wonder sometimes if they think the cross was weakness. The servent mentality seems missing from Calvinistic world views
Did not disappoint! You're an awesome teacher! I noticed some Calvinists commenting. I wish they would have taken the time to study and then see if their Calvinism lines up with Scripture before commenting. Many say they read Scripture and came up with it, but that's not really true. They may have heard it at a church or a bible study they attended or a study bible they had, etc. My former pastor taught compatibilism but one day he crossed the line (at least for me). He said, "Didn't Jesus say, You did not choose me but I chose you?" He quoted half a verse to prove his point. That did it for me. On the whole there are too many teaching Scripture who are merely giving you their opinion about what the text means rather than first studying it thoroughly to arrive at the meaning. I'm a woman, but don't get me going on how bad purchased bible studies for women are. They are horrible. They just say things that aren't true. Scripture is the very word of God and we should approach it with great reverence. What we teach others can have a profound affect on them and their lives and it seems many have forgotten the admonition found in James 3:1, " Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, knowing that as such we will incur a stricter judgment."
That’s a great point about teacher having stricter judgement. I intend to express that in a future video. I don’t share what I do lightly or flippantly. I am trusting I am in line with God’s Word and praying He offers grace for any statements that are not fully in line with His Word. Teachers should have a reverent fear of God.
Thank you for making the videos. I have been a calvinist for almost 20 years, and I don't believe I can say that I am a Calvinist anymore. I have been listening to Leighton Flowers, and your videos are right there with his in quality, thoroughness, grace and love. I want to learn more.
Those who oppose Calvinism are often accused of basing their beliefs on their emotions, having no real substance for their position. I will say this,if you are able to jettison all of your Calvinism, you will experience a wonderful deliverance. Fir example, you will be able to walk down the street,and tell anyone and everyone, with a clear conscience and whole hearted conviction and compassion, that God truly DOES love them,and desires their salvation.
These videos are such an awesome resource! Rather than just stating what their claims are, you’re showing what verses they use to support their claims and demonstrating how these scriptures do not support the claims without having the “lenses” on prior to reading them! Clear and concise! Thank you brother.
Man you really break it down like no other! Calvinism/Lordship Salvation.. Macarthur,Washer ,Platt etc caused me to doubt salvation and the goodness of God.. Thank you from Denver North Carolina
Praise God, whenever you encounter doctrine which brings God's character into question and casts doubt on his true love for you... personally... RUN AWAY...
@@leonrussell262 Your comment was a bit puzzling, no offense. But are you affirming the doctrine of the Calvinist interpretations? It could seem as if you do. Is that the position you now fully understand?
@@R.L.KRANESCHRADTT If you want to call it Calvinist you can but its just Christianity understood. And when i say understood I mean to those inquiring minds who seek to come a little closer to Gods will and power. There is nothing Calvin expands on that is not Biblical. Have you read any of his works?
@@R.L.KRANESCHRADTT Its not an interpretation. That's how God operates. You either believe the Bible or you don't its that simple. Really you don't need Calvin So long as you stick to scripture. "Joh 6:37 All that the Father GIVETH me SHALL COME to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out." "Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God GAVE them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;"
I dont know why God has led me to see your videos? I now learn of new things. I am a member of a reformed church here in the Philippines. God bless you for the revealing of His Word.😊
I remain convinced that compatibilism is just as dangerous as determinism because it is just attempting to hold to determinism AND a form of free will. The compatibilist still holds that God determines/ordains all things 👉 just that mankind has a choice 👉but has been decreed/ordained/predetermined to choose only from his greatest desires 👉which are determined/decreed/ordained before the foundations of the world 👉because of the doctrine of original sin/guilt. It's really a distinction without a difference.
I was attending a Calvinist Reformed Church for about 6-7 months. The Pastor was cool and the people were great. However, Something always seemed a bit off. Though I did not know what it was. As I asked questions I was directed to books such as ‘Calvinism in the Las Vegas Airport’ and ‘Grace Defined and Defended’. Both were great at presenting Calvinism. When the books left me still in disbelief I heard that the reason was I’m an infant and not capable of understanding the full-truth yet. Apparently Calvinism is the means to understanding holy scriptures. As I read the ‘L’ in TULIP (limited atonement) my heart began to ache. Something about such a non-biblical position convinced me I could no longer attend that Church. It broke my heart because it took me a while to return to church only to encounter what I consider a heretical doctrine. However, I do believe the Pastor and the people who attend there love Jesus. They are saved in my opinion. Just convinced of very bad theology. Then again…I’m open to being in the wrong. But my heart says I’m not.
The “L” is something even Calvinist’s split on at times, some staying “4-pointers”, dropping the “L”. I cannot believe the “L” because of: “For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.” Colossians 1:19-20 NASB1995 And. “For the love of Christ controls us, having concluded this, that one died for all, therefore all died; and He died for all, so that they who live might no longer live for themselves, but for Him who died and rose again on their behalf.” 2 Corinthians 5:14-15 NASB1995 Here we have: 1.) Peace made with “all things” through the blood. All means all here, especially since Paul clarifies it with things in heaven as well as on earth. A quite literal all things. 2.) Two times in the second scripture, Paul declares that Christ died for all. Again, all means all. And it makes sense too since Paul has in mind a universal atonement anyways. So one dying for all would not contradict anything but would rather be in alignment. Now, I’m still a Calvinist though. And I will engage further on this if you are interested. May God bless!
@@janlea1 Atonement is Universal in ‘extent’ not in ‘application’. Jesus died ‘for’ sin: all have sinned (extent). All who believe he gave the right to be the adopted sons and daughters of God…not ALL have believed our report…(application). It is my position that Calvinism is not from God. No such teaching exists prior to Augustine. May God’s Grace find you!
@@janlea1 - universal atonement is different than universal salvation. The scriptures teach the former (undeniably imo) in those two texts I presented but do not teach the latter. So on that, we agree.
Nothing bad about TULIP 🌷, it is absolutely beautiful n true👍🙏on the scriptural verses, God may behave freely doing what he wanted, don’t worry, no matter how bad or hopeless or evil it appears to you, God will be 100% justified💥💥💥😂😂😂It is always an absolute truth. God don’t lie, be faithful n focus on Jesus, those intelligent exercise, debate n discussion are only for a certain group of believers to entertain themselves!
43:30 Love your videos and the spirit with which you deliver them. The message is needed and your work is really well done. We may be thinking past each other on the issue of what is "primary". But I cannot agree that the issue of Calvinism is a non-essential or not a 'primary' issue. I do not question the salvation of one professing faith in Christ, and I do not consider a believer who has become convinced of TULIP could be unsaved as a result. I know there are those on both sides who deny salvation to the other, and they should not. Dr. Flowers debated a Calvinist who refused to call him a 'brother' .. and made a specific dramatic point of it. However, the danger of tolerating Calvinism within the body of non-Calvinist believers is that it can grow like a cancer. Especially when the sermon "what's wrong with Calvinism" is never preached for the sake of "getting along". The very purpose of the false doctrine it is to undermine the believers relationship with God which Christ came to make possible. It does this by casting a dark shadow over the character of God, and planting the same seed of doubt in the heart of a believer which the Serpent's lie did to Eve.... "you can't trust God to be honest with you". Calvinists honestly claim that God is really good... but they cannot explain 'how' or 'why' God is good within the parameters of their doctrine.... because it's a "mystery" and we're not supposed to ask that question.🤷🏻♂🤦🏻♂ Once you begin to doubt God's love for you , and worry your love for him may not last, or even be sufficient... there is no basis for any true relationship. And Satan really likes that about Calvinism.
Honestly, it kills the vibe of any zeal for evangelism at all amongst its proponents. To them, either the target of evangelism is a lost cause no matter what, or they are selected to be saved even if no effort to evangelize is made. What rubbish.
So glad you're addressing this. This critique has potential to function as a biblical theology barb against everything from classical Arminianism to Molinism and Thomist Catholic theology. The bible simply doesnt support the idea of a primordial exhaustive decree. Indeed decree is in the Bible but its the opposite. Its something not secret or primordial, but its recorded in scripture. He DECLARES his commands, plans and covenants openly. He references them and uses his prophets to remind us of his past declarations. He is sovereign. But sovereignty =/= control. But just authority. And he's got the power to back that authority up.
I can speak from my own experience that my heart was still hard when I submitted myself to God, after Him pursuing me for many years. The moment I repented and said yes to Jesus, the wall around my heart crumbled. I could literally feel it. My heart was THEN softened and opened to the things of God. I could finally really understand the Scriptures I was reading. After 37 years I am still being sanctified, which did not happen until Jesus saved me.
Irresistible grace. They don't want you to realize who you are. One of God's elect. Trust no man, trust God alone. Get a KJV Bible if you do not already have one. And use it.
I've been waiting for this!! :Your videos have been affirming as well as a joy to watch. Thanks for these brother, you are doing a great job of critquing Calvinism in a loving way , as a family member would to another family member. A sadly missing virtue today. Your videos have been instrumental in affirming my turning from the "big C" and realizing .. "no...I'm not crazy...others see it too!" thanks again for all you have done! I can't wait for the next in the series!
Please forgive me, my friend, my comment is going to be long. I pray, by the end, you will understand. 🙏✝️💕 I find there are several Bible scriptures that I think may be unnecessary if Calvinism is true. With kindness, and the love of Christ, I offer you these two. Luke 15:10 Jesus said, "I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents." [Why are the angels celebrating? If you're "one of the elect, " as Calvinism teaches, you will be saved, you don't have a choice. To me this only matters with a free will choice.] Matthew 7:13-14 13 "Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. 14 For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few. [In Calvinism you don't have a choice whether you will be saved or not so why would Christ even talk about it? You are not crazy my friend. You are born again, you are saved! And I will be adding you to my daily prayers, if that's ok. God Bless You! 💕✝️💕🇺🇲
Jason, your videos are such a blessing. More than you could ever know. Thank you for allowing the Lord to use you. Thank you for sharing the passage at the end of the video. Truth in Love… just like our Jesus has done for every single soul. May we follow His perfect example. And thank you, Jason, for modeling this as well regard. Praise the Lord for good teachers he is raising up. Blessings, brother.
Jason did not "allow" God to use him. We puny humans don't "allow" the almighty and sovereign God to do anything. Arminanism says we "allow" God, and that is why it is error and Calvinism is truth.
Thank you so much for these thorough videos. I love your kind and gentle spirit as you teach on this subject because it’s an encouragement to me to ‘guard my heart’. I’m currently a part of a Reform church and have never felt comfortable with it but after reading Dave Hunt’s book, “What Love is Thus?”, listening to Leighton Flowers, and you, I now have a better understanding of the systematic of Calvinism and why it is unbiblical. I don’t think my pastor will be open to discussing this though because he’s young and really thinks he has the truth. I’m 74 and have been a been a believer over for 40 years but as you know, many young people don’t like to be corrected by older folks because we’re considered ‘out of touch’. It’s a shame because I’m really concerned for the young people in our congregation who are being led astray - even though our pastor doesn’t mean to be doing this because he truly believes he’s ‘enlightened’. 😢
I was interested in Calvinism from listening to McArthur, Sproul, and also reading Spurgeon that I joined several FB groups on Reformed Theology. And I discovered that many members keep wanting to figure out who is part of the Elect and who is not. All the while they assume that they themselves MUST be part of the Elect because they wouldn't care about this kind of "score-keeping" if they were not of the Elect. Many countering posts would then tell them that only God knows who are truly of the Elect. But that didn't do any wake-up calls for these folks. And that put a doubt in my mind because the Calvinists would say that the Irresistible part of the TULIP doctrine means that man has no choice but to believe the Gospel if they are of the Elect. And because God chose them He insured that they didn't receive salvation by any merit that they have. But wait! They are obviously ARE seeing themselves as in some mysterious way as having something "special" about themselves for God to have elected them. A self delusional pride that they don't see in their own thinking. Your series here is a very great blessing to me and an awakening of the clarity of what the Bible teaches. Thank you!
You notice how Calvinism is all about ME. Am "I" saved. The Bible is actually about Jesus. Knowing Him, Trusting Him, having Fellowship with Him being in Him. I wonder if Calvinists are so frightened of being lost is because they see Him as being Wrath, not Love.
Great videos, well done. This is much needed content. Guys like you and Leighton and many others are making a huge difference I believe in rescuing the minds of many who bought into Calvinism.
This opening segment is exactly the process I went through when I returned to my faith 20 years ago. I read my Bible every day and any time I heard or read some one say something about what scripture communicated, I checked it for myself.
Amen. The hardest thing I had to do was to ask myself could I be wrong? Could I have been taught something that is not biblically true? Is this what the Bible communicates? Taking off the lenses of Calvinism was very hard to do. I asked God to help me see contextually what the scripture is communicating. My journey started believing that I would be more affirmed in my doctrines of grace theology … I had no idea I would come out the other side turning away from it.
Some of my videos have a link to my WordPress website where I have articles written over the doctrines of grace. What I have suggested is that anyone who doubts I was a Calvinist or did not fully get the theology can read those articles and come to their own conclusions on whether or not, I held to an accurate representation of what Calvinism is. Heads up sometimes the links don’t work so you might have to Google search…. it’s under living Christian and I think the first article is titled “what in the world”
I can fully see how I believed it and even working out of it. It was a struggle because there was always verses I was coming to that was hard to remove the lenses of Calvinism. So I completely sympathize with anyone that does it here to it.
Thanks for doing these teachings. Calvinism needs some strong biblical pushback to expose its flawed theology. Just to clarify: Compatibilism IS determinism. It is often called "soft determinism." The two things being made compatible are determinism and human responsibility. But it is no less deterministic than hard determinism.
If you believe like the calvinist do then what is even the purpose of having scripture? If God decrees everything then there is no need for Scripture or calvinist working so hard to take over churches or calvinist pointing out how everyone else is wrong. If God decrees everything then we could just live our lives because we are either going to heaven or not. There would be no need to study the scripture, no need to worry about sin. I have just recently learned about calvinism and it absolutely makes no sense to me.
Love your videos and glad I am seeing more of these type appear on You Tube. Off topic, how do I contact you for some counseling resources. advice, and direction?
You and others are such a blessing to this man that was red-pilled out of Calvinism about two years now. Prayers for your continued strength and perseverance in your ministry.
I became aware of the dangers of Calvinism through the videos of Kevin Thompson (Beyond the Fundamentals). I have also viewed content from Leighton Flowers, Hutson Smelley, Idol Killer, etc. I am grateful for all of you gentlemen. My question is how are Calvinist brethren when they have a different gospel? They may hold to the 5 Solas, which are seemingly questionable, but it boils down to Christ plus… Few, if any, consider Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses to be brethren due to the beliefs these individuals hold. Why isn’t this true of those adherents of Calvinism? It seems suspicious to consider them brethren in their error and not others in theirs.
I do believe many of them heard the gospel and placed their faith in Christ and got pulled into Calvanism later...just like many of the testimonies I hear from people that have gone into the new apostolic reformation or hyper charismatic movement- God pulls them out after many years even. Some Calvanists I believe became Calvanists later- many are drawn in by the "intellectualism" or end up believing a teacher who teaches it. I'm praying many will come out of it 😭
Good stuff. When I was first presented with a long list of their proof texts, I found them so easily explained by context. I don’t know why others can’t see that. Is it because people don’t search these verses out and study themselves, they just hear verses from a pastor and believe?
One of my first bible studies after my own conversion was to confirm if my experience was biblical or not. The first thing I discovered was that creedal confessions were not required. It took a little longer to realize that systemized theology was not either.
So many good quotes. Thank you so much for doing these videos and emphasizing the Augustine roots! I pray they will help tear down this false gospel. I’ve read some stories about the fruit of this system, and they are heartbreaking. So, why do you think you didn’t see all of this when you were first exposed to Calvinism?
THANK YOU for doing these videos! I love your gentle and loving character, and encouragement to seek the scriptures for the truth. This is very helpful for me to sort out calvanism.
Also, interesting to note is that in Matthew 10:29 the word 'will' is in a few translations but not in the Greek. The Greek says that the Father knows when the sparrow falls, not that it is God's will that the sparrow falls.
Thank you, thank you, thank you for teaching this and all these sessions. The so-called sovereign decretal is probably the most deadly and slanderous heresy against God on the face of the Earth.
Such a relief to me to finally see videos such as this on RU-vid. It's about time that we are seeing a relatable, logical and intelligent pushback on the scourge of Calvinism. Calvinism never has made sense in the context of a loving God.
I like this man a lot. Yes yes and yes 👏 we have to drop our presuppositions unless it’s abt the time period and such background. As a baby christian, that’s what I did. This is proper exegesis. And sometimes the “scholars” get things wrong in putting things together. Dispensation is so important. Not inferring is also important
I would say that some compatibilists are actually holding a different gospel if they're like Sproul's or AW Pink's extreme statements. Spurgeon is about the only compatibilist I've heard who will actually accept the gospel passages that look more obviously nonCalvinist.
One of the first things that made me look deeper into my church's reformed theology was hearing our pastor talk through predestination and that God decreed all things whatsoever. This wasn't really new to me as he had been teaching this for many many years prior. However, what grabbed my attention was his explanation when asked by another member that, if God decreed all things whatsoever, insomuch as there are no rogue molecules or dust particles floating except by the path and amount decreed by God, and yet God doesn't decree the not save people but leave them in their sin unto righteous judgement, I had to take a double take. I pondered the question, it's logical flow, tried to find anything in it that I may be overlooking and dissected the question and the pastors answer. It didn't add up. If everything is decreed, then the reprobation decree is a given as it would fall under not being decreed for His wrath and judgement to occur, it also would need to be decreed. 1st, this makes God unable to act freely but binds himself to what he decreed beforehand and will never waiver from it. This poses a problem in that God would make himself decreed as well and not acting freely at all. 2nd, Th only logical conclusion that decretal theology allows is full determinism. No compatibilism is possible from a good logical standpoint. We are either decreed by God to every thought, action, willful event in our lives by God and punished by His own decree for what we do, by His decree, or we have free will that acts by its own volition and makes its own determinations, in which the decree of God as to whatsoever comes to pass must be false. If we try to say God decrees it all but man has free will to act how he wants, or even how it was defined to me "Man is free to act according to his greatest desire", we are reduced to robots/animals and have no grounds for moral deliberation or moral capacity. If we say everything man does is decreed beforehand, then man is no longer responsible for what he does, as it was determined for him to do it outside of his own desires and will, making the punishment for mans sin, unrighteous and unjust. Then i found in the 2nd london baptist confession that line about angels being decretally saved unto eternal life. Pushed him on that and he dismissed it as just elect for the angels meaning service, but elect for men being eternally saved. The obvious pushback I gave was "so why can your definition for the angels not apply to man?" to which I got "you cannot just apply any definition as you see fit to whatever passages you want to make your ideas fit." I gave him a good long pause and stared with one eyebrow cocked, hoping he would see the irony, but he did not. Anyhow, i am almost 2 years out of Calvinism now and still trying to show him and the other elder the flaws in the system, only to get circular reasoning in response, or the classic "you just want to make man the center of salvation and rob God of His glory" or better yet, "you are just a heretical Pelagian." Now i tend to respond with "only by God's decree! Can't blame me!" Anyhow, on Pelagius/Pelagianism, I would encourage you to read Ali Bonner's work on the subject matter 'The Myth of Pelagianism'. very informative and insightful into the historical Pelagius and who he was, what he taught.
Thanks for your teachings! Have you taught anywhere yet about how to understand "no one can come to Jesus unless the Father draws him"? I think I can get a non-Calvinist understanding of the words "chosen, elect, foreknowledge, predestined", but I don't yet understand the phrase "no one can come to Jesus unless the Father draws him"?
It's good to think these things through. If God is judge, and Just, and He causes all things. He judges Himself and divides Himself. How can He be displeased with us, when we are mere puppets. How would this glorify God. My friend, who is a Calviist truly believes that God creates evil. He believes if your not saved you were meant to be lost. What hope is in this dark delusion. Thanks for sharing. Let God be true. Oh Lord help us to believe in Your Living Word Alone. Amen
I appreciate the work you are doing and enjoy when I see a new video has been uploaded. I am not a calvinist. I am wondering if through your study, does the rejection of calvinism logically lead to a more free grace theology view? Maybe you will cover where you are now at the end, but that would be fantastic to hear if you haven’t planned on it.
So if Calvinism is not true then I should probably not teach my children this anymore? LITTLE JOHNNY We love you, little Johnny, but we accept the fact that God might not love you, and that He may have plans to send you to hell for your future sins. If you do find yourself one day burning in hell because He hasn’t elected to save you, just remember that we will always love you, even if God hates you. Take comfort knowing that we are not like God. We will be in heaven forever only because we were unconditionally chosen for salvation before we were born. That would be the only reason that we won’t be in hell with you if you find yourself there. It won’t be because of anything we did. So also take comfort in knowing that. It may not seem fair, but who are we to judge God? So again, if you find yourself in hell, remember that we will always love you as we forever worship the God who loved us but who hated you, the God who sent His Son to die for us but not for you. Please, we ask, don’t let it bother you-if you find yourself in hell-that we love the God who hated you and showed you no mercy. We must accept the fact that God is sovereign, and He does what He pleases. I know as Calvinists parents we should be more grateful for our own salvation! It’s like, ‘as long as our eternal destiny is secure, as long as our life is all planned out and taken care of by God, we shouldn’t give a damn about family, friends or anyone else!’ After all, the lost hate God because God first hated them. We as Calvinist parents should hate what god hates, but it is so hard, because we can’t help but love you little Johnny and our families and neighbours! Truth in Love
@@mitchielou9622 Yet those in the Calvinist Cult defend this to the death. They look at their children and have no problem thinking God probably hates most of them and will enjoy destroying them for his glory. But! Did you know Calvinists have invented a system that tells their Calvinist members that their children are guaranteed to be saved by something they called "Covenant children!" Isn't that convenient? and they buy that!! All Cults promise their in and their children are in, if they obey the cult doctrines. Calvinism is no different than Catholicism, infant baptism and your child is in. Calvinism is a Catholic version with a few differences and John Calvin setting himself up as the first Calvinist Pope. Any Calvinist that stops to think long enough to think and connect the dots, has to say. What about my children? Broad is the way to destruction so my children are probably doomed from birth? Well! Johnny Calvin has you covered with this baseless invention for the faithful. Generations of families in the Reformed 5-Point Calvinist Church are all convinced that they and their families are the elect! Calvinists are taught that Calvinist parents automatically receive Calvinists elect babies!" They call them Covenant children. ( Isn't that convenient?) Once born all they have to do (WORKS) is to get their children water sprinkle baptized ( like the Catholics whom they hate) and they are magically full blown "Elect" and saved! It is a closed shop system, outsiders need not apply! They hate adult baptism. "After all they were baptized ( made elect) as a baby so it is a disgrace to be baptized a second time." Truth in love
““As for you, you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good in order to bring about this present result, to preserve many people alive.” (Genesis 50:20, NASB)
Hi! I've got one question. What do u mean by "fervency of your faith"? Just a little bit of context, I'm diagnosed with Scrupulosity(Religious OCD) after binge watching many Calvinistic video because at that time, and am still now unfortunately, backlsiden from God and I was coming back to seek Him once again but unfortunately got lured into Calvinism. TLDR, over the years my view of God has changed from a loving God to an extremely angry and vengeful God who hates me so so much. Anyway, to jump st8 to the point, I'm still struggling with wanting to have faith. I kept on asking God over a period of years, the same thing.. asking God to give me true saving faith but idk how to believe. It sounds silly after being a determinist without even me knowing then.. Now, i kept on being introspective to see whether I've faith/my faith is genuine..It's like i must feel something in order to know that I've faith.. so when u mentioned about the object of our faith, it suddenly spoke out to me and hence, here I am with the question. What do u mean by "It's the object of your faith that saves u and not the fervency of your faith"? Thanks alot and God bless!
Hey, thanks for the question and praying for you. The point I was emphasizing was that one can believe with their whole heart that a false god is true and that will not save them. No matter sincere or strong someone’s faith is, if it’s not on Christ, it will not save them. They need to place their faith and trust in Christ and in Him alone. Fervency of faith is great once it’s exercised on Christ. My point is that the object of our faith does truly matter. Read the Scriptures and learn who Jesus is…the more you read what He’s done…the deeper your love and stronger your trust will be!
Compatibalists *are* determinists. *edit Ok i see what youre saying. You're calling internally inconsistent, non-creedal calvinism may eschew determinism incoherently, while adhering to an undeveloped form of 5 point or 4 point calvinism. The trouble with this is that the definition of compatibalism is that determinism and free will are compatible... thus they're soft determinists. Soft determinism is no less deterministic than hard determinism, it just has a different flavor.
How can LOVE, FAITH, and HOPE be decreed? How can WORSHIP be decreed? Scripture tells us that God is seeking worship....from those who intimately know Him and His Christ....in fellowship and love....this takes willing submission and faith...which cannot be decreed...or why would Jesus commend these virtues in His followers and reprove them for the lack of them?
I am really struggling with the primary and secondary question. Do Calvinists believe that non-Calvinists (Bible believers who show fruit) are really saved? If faith is a work then aren't we adding to what Jesus did and therefore are not saved (in their belief)? So it must be a primary issue to them. And if we think they are, at best skewing God's character, and at worst, totally making Him a lying monster, isn't that a primary issue? Sincerity, kindness and half truths aside are we really part of the same "family"? I'm trying to not be snarky or mean, but this is a real concern for me and I'm sure for others.
lol, so funny you caught that. It started and I had to search for the batteries. I have limited time to record usually and was hopeful it wouldn’t have picked up but…
@@GoodBerean keep up the good fight, brother! I sincerely appreciate this content that you’re generating. Putting all this stuff in a cohesive series of videos will most definitely pay off in dividends as time passes. I think you’re hitting all the necessary points without moralizing or fallaciously arguing for the truth of the matter.
God created all things. In him, and through him, and to him are all things. To him be the glory forever, amen. In him we live and move and have our being. Who can give any charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies.
Slowly going through this series. I’m impressed. I’ve watched Dr Flowers’ videos for years, even multiple times over, literally every day in between homeschooling my kids. (Not exaggerating, every day.) And yet, I’m still learning MORE by watching your videos and it’s just so amazing how much evidence there is against Augustinian Calvinism. I have a question: do you have a video regarding the Augustinian influence over translations? I adore my NASB, and currently trying to find a 1995 version online, but I’m concerned now that there’s hidden errors I’m not seeing. It’s my favorite translation because of the word for word woodenness. I know most folks don’t enjoy it for that reason, but I do. I don’t appreciate the liberties taken in the newer paraphrases, to the point where I’m not able to discern the text myself. If you don’t have a video yet, please discuss translations in a future video? Love your content brother Jason. Looking forward to the next few debates and discussions.
Thank you for the encouragement and support! I mention influence of translations briefly in video 5…but it’s not exhaustive by any means. I would need to go much deeper in study to validate. But in short, what I have discovered is that most translations (even the King James Version) has had Calvinist participation in the interpretation of the text.
I believe the fundamental problem for both the Determinist and the Compatibilist is ultimately the same. The Compatibilist is merely a semantical step away from hard Determinism. Saying man is 'free' to choose but only chooses his greatest desire, which is always evil... simply ignores the fact it is God who has determined what is greatest desire would be. Potato... Pahtato IMO. R. C. Sproul said man was born with a broken 'wanter' but didn't talk about God being the one who broke it in the same sentence. Embracing the claim that God only, truly love the 'elect' is problematic for all honest Calvinists. Because nobody can ever know who has the "Gift of Perseverance" required for true salvation within the system. Hence... nobody can ever know if they are saved or if God really loves them. The Compatibilist may be a little closer to coming out of the 'fog' but they are still in there and reluctantly affirming the worst of it just the same, and claiming 'mystery' only obscures the truth, it is neither a help or a refuge. It is a sad thing to see a believer robbed of any confidence they are loved by our Heavenly Father. And even worse to see that belief spread to other unsuspecting believers. But that is exactly what any form of Calvinism does. .. and that isn't 'Good News' for anybody.
So true 😔 I have such a battle between sadness and anger within calvinism. I think if calvinism was just like a fringe thing I would basically just be straight up sad for the people bamboozled into it. But because it is so POPULAR and the first things to come up on the search engines it makes me angry that it’s crept in and infested so much of western Christianity.
@@Loves2HugItOut I really believe that it's slowing down from what it has been in the last decade or so. (I certainly hope so). The Calvinists got a huge head start online and got the algorithms working to their advantage. BUT, historically, the predicable move is towards hyper-Calvinism as time goes by, which causes it to really slow down regarding growth. It loses it's appeal when the rubber hits the road. Leighton Flowers has observed that even Calvinists admit the rise of Calvinism is followed by a fall because the unavoidable consequences of the doctrine eventually eats itself. People 'wake up' to the cognitive dissonance once they really begin to realize it's implications. And many, if not most, reject it in the end. And those who do not circle the wagons and stay within their own 4-walls as it eventually loses steam... leaning in to the static presumption that 'what will be will be' and their evangelistic outreach comes to a halt....(by God's decree, of course)🤔 When I was a kid I sometimes heard the Presby's called the "frozen chosen" I didn't understand what it meant then, but I do now. To the unprepared, the "Doctrines of Grace" seem wonderful.... until they begin to learn the dirty details.
@@R.L.KRANESCHRADTTIt's difficult to discern the differences between Calvinists and Leightonists. Was hoping to get time from a Leightonite to go over this new 21st Century doctrine. You know anyone I can diologue with in this new sect?
@@ManassehJones No. After all of your aggressive, rabid comments the last few weeks, I don't know anyone who would take you seriously enough to dialogue about it. I do find it interesting how critical and outspoken you have been of Dr. Flowers, his beliefs and anyone who you consider to agree with him while literally confessing ignorance today of the very ideas you criticize ... 🤔🤔🤣🤣(I guess it explains my first statement) Maybe God hasn't determined for you to understand, only time will tell.
Thanks for this great video. Just to say Compatabilism is also known as soft determinism. So they believe in free will but God determines their conditions so they can choose no other than what they freely do. In other words "unfree free will". So it takes you right back to regular determinism. So Compatabilism is not a better option. So no form of Determinism is good.
The word "elect" seems like a particularly ambiguous one to use, since it can be taken to the meaning of election from both sides; one being "Those that were elected (in implication - by God)" and the other being "Those that elected (in implication - to believe in God)". One definition for being chosen and one for making a choice, both in the same word. In accordance with the "making a choice" definition, the meaning appears consistent with the Biblical verses you cited, particularly it could be earnestly applied to all the verses under the "faith preceding regeneration" section of your second video without changing their actual meaning, at all times referring to those that chose to believe in God. However in accordance with the "being chosen" definition it requires the full Calvinist view in order to be in any way consistent with... well, anything it seems. I wonder if somewhere along the way, a translation error or a mistake of understanding between those two definitions of a carelessly used word, those two directions of election, had occured and resulted in inadvertently providing fuel to a division between a true Biblical reading of the verses and a then newly-emerging, separate and intelectualized view. Once again, cheers for your work.
Totally agree about the misuse of the word "sovereign". It just means God is capable of doing anything He wants to do with His creation. In itself it doesn't tell us what He does -- Scripture tells us that. What we find in Scripture is that God has used His sovereignty to give us free choice, essentially restraining the power of His own sovereign will to allow other independent wills to coexist alongside His. That is an incredible act of love through self-control that I don't think any of us could do if we had His power. Many Calvinists seem to picture a divine puppet master pulling the strings of everyone and everything. This is precisely the "capricious god" that atheists like Christopher Hitchens were so bent on fighting against existing, and in a sense he was right to do so because that is a false god (unfortunately Hitchens fought against any and all gods existing, which is also false). That is not the God I worship. My God loves me and has allowed me to freely choose Him -- to freely choose good over evil. We are His children, not automatons. He influences us with His Word, by giving us a conscience, by revealing Himself to us through His creation, by coming to us in our own form and giving His life on a cross as a propitiation for our sins, demonstrating His great love for us. These are the ways He calls us to Him. He abounds in grace, patience and lovingkindness; He does not control us, though he certainly could if He wanted to, as He is indeed sovereign. You could say He is holding the strings like the divine puppet master many Calvinists seem to imagine, but He doesn't (usually) pull them. He wiggles them to remind us He's there, but He respects our free will even when He hates what we do with it. Without choice there is no love and no justice. The "god of control" is the Demiurge (a.k.a. Yaldabaoth), a false gnostic god, and that is a major reason why Calvinism is potentially dangerous to those who believe it. God bless you brother!
Good for you. TITUS 2:11 “For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to ALL people.” 1 John 2:2 “For we know that He died NOT ONLY for our sins, BUT ALSO for the sins of the whole world.” Rightly understood, I do not see Theistic determinism in Scripture.
Honest question: At 11:30, you critique the Westminster confession’s argument that God has ordained all things that come to pass. But that is just a statement that affirms: (1) God knew what He was creating (ie what would happen in the world); (2) God could have created it differently so that something that does happen doesn’t happen (eg Hitler dies at childbirth, Lee Harvey Oswald’s gun misfires, an earthquake that kills thousands doesn’t happen); (3) But He chooses and ordains what happens in this world for a good purpose…. If you disagree with that, what point do you disagree with exactly?
I was thinking about this yesterday. Is it still grace when you perform acts of mercy toward those to whom you were pre indisposed to loving them because they first loved you? A Calvinist might argue against this to say, "it is God who first loved them and chose them before the foundation of the world". So, were the chosen ones or the elect still in their sins hating God yet God knew them so intimately as to overwhelmingly love them despite the elect's desire in contrary to God's righteousness and holiness? If so, what came first, the Lamb that was slain before the foundation of the world or the elect? According to Calvinism, if they need to remain consistent, the election should come first. Then would it not make Calvinism a man-centred doctrine? I believe the Lamb was slain even before the foundation of the world regardless of who or how many to come believe in the name of the Son. The love of God is exemplified in this that even if there should be one person to be saved in all of human history, he would still send his only begotten Son, Jesus Christ to die for the sins of that one individual. Calvinism diminishes the Gospel message. Also, Calvinists seem to have Pharisees complex that unless you are a Calvinist then you are not one of the elect. Most do not dare to say this explicitly but it is implicit in how they approach those who do not ascribe to this doctrine. I hate to say this but they do think themselves to be special. It's the, " I am glad I am not like one of these other men who do not hold Calvinist doctrine" attitude they project to the world around. They are part of the elite group just like the Saduccees, the chosen few.
You seem not to have watch the video because it is the other way around it is the Free Choicesers that bash the Reformed Teaching and the people that are reformed. Get your head straight. It is them who think no calvinist can be saved. Well I belief that there are true Children of God in the Catholic church. I was not appointed a judge. I was saved when I was 17. I'm still attend a Reformed Church.
I came to christ while listening to the American gospel documentary (because the gospel was boldy proclaimed) I just assumed I was reformed after that and viewed everything through calvinist glasses. I now see God saving me had nothing to do with calvinism! I will say it felt irresistible when he called me, I felt his arms wrapped around me and say "your mine" I didn't feel like it was a choice, my heart just changed, I know mu feelings don't dictate truth though, do you think it's possible that someone might place their faith in Jesus and it not feel like a conscious decision ?
I’ve wondered this too. I have heard stories where the gospel pierces the heart and they had no choice to believe. But, I will say, it’s the SEEKING that I find to be the consistent key. You were seeking truth, which is seen by the fact that you were watching this documentary. Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. You must have been looking for some inkling of truth or else you wouldn’t have been watching that video. Maybe I’m wrong in saying that, just what I would speculate? Let me know your thoughts. Your heart was not hardened to the truth. Not saying these are facts. Just my speculation upon pondering these questions. I also very recently was pierced by the gospel message for the first time just a few weeks ago even though I have claimed to be a Christian for 20 years and had been baptized 20 years ago. But when I finally truly understood parts of the gospel that I didn’t yet understand (such as the sealing of the Holy Spirit, being joint-heirs with Christ, waiting for the adoption, etc) it was as if blinders had been removed from my eyes. And I saw the assurance I had in Christ for the very first time. Do you know what preceded that? A very tear filled, agony filled journey of seeking truth. There were so many times I wanted to give up. But God carried me through that and I kept leaning on Him because I knew the truth was in Him, and only He could give it to me. Just wanted to share that, hopefully you won’t mind. ☺️ May God bless you and yours ❤️
To expand on the video: Fatalism (determinism) is completely destroyed by a single verse. 1 Cor 10:13. Think of the promises of 1 Corinthians 10:13: 1) All temptations are common to mankind. 2) God is faithful. 3) You will never be tempted beyond your ability to resist it. (That is, God will NEVER decree that any sinful desires will cause you unchangingly to sin.) 4) Every time we are tempted, without fail, God will provide a way of escape. 5) This way of escape gives you the ability to endure the temptation, that is, gives you the option of not sinning. If all actions are pre-planned or ordained to happen in only one way, this option to not sin is a lie. It is impossible for God to lie. Determinism destroyed in one verse.
Never even knew about predestination theology until about a year ago. When I u derstood that it teaches God creates those who are saved and who went to hell, i rejected every part of it. God is sovereign, He can do what He choses. Way too many places in Bible that rejects predestination. And if I was raised in that belief, I would never have had children. Not interested in helping send someone to hell.
54:38-55:15 You said it all right there Jason. This goes back to the garden. Adam and Eve knew the simplicity of God, the clarity of God. The purity of God. God said exactly what He meant and meant exactly what He said. Adam and Eve were content. They were satisfied. They trusted God to be exactly who He said He was and there was an innocence to that. They were not confused and they had peace walking with their God in the cool of the day. The snake came to pull back the curtain and tell them what God “really” meant. He tempted them with this secret knowledge. Satan has done the exact same scheme with calvinism as we can see through Gods revealed will vs Gods “secret will”. Nothing new here. I agree with a lot of what you said about the determinist Calvinists and compatibilist Calvinists. But like you said compatabilists are on dangerous ground. They better be careful with the fire they are playing with. I kinda compare it to the question “will a believer who commits suicide still go to heaven” (and this is coming from someone who attempted suicide 8 years ago as a Christian and was hospitalized for it) I HOPE they will still be saved, they POSSIBLY could still be saved, they MIGHT still be saved… but YOU. DO. NOT. WANT. TO. PLAY. WITH. FIRE. TO. FIND. OUT. This is how I feel about the compatabilist Calvinist if they won’t repent. Beware. God have mercy.
Satan subtlety proposed them an autonomous free will if they disobeyed. They died spiritually and gained their imaginary autonomous free will, still being worshipped by unregenerates to this very hour.
Hey Jason I noticed you removed your heart from my comment, I’m just curious what it was about my comment that you have a different point of view on. I really value what you have to say and your perspective. Thanks 🫶🏻🙏🏻
Hey, that must have been a mistake. I re-added it. Sorry. I had my phone in my hand letting the dog out. Thank you so much for the comment! I really appreciate your comment and transparency. Praise God for His grace in not letting that suicide attempt to go through! And what an encouragement you are and testimony you have!
@@GoodBerean also just another fun little tid bit.. I stand by my comment but ironically my favorite worship set of all time is from “the worship initiative” which is affiliated with Shane and Shane. I’m pretty sure the worship initiative is at the very least “calvinistic leaning” and I’m pretty sure this set is from a Calvinist conference 🤦♀️but this worship set is my favorite set of all time to listen to…. There’s prayers during it, Bible reading, a 🔥 spoken word at the end, incredible vocals, powerful lyrics… everything about it is perfection. It ministers to me so much. Here’s the link: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-aCifjZYE0oA.html
Just found you. Calvinists seem to have a rude edge at times. I believe it comes from believing they are the "elect." That alone caused me to question it.
19:55 21:34 The Calvinist also affirms that whosoever believes will be saved - that every person who believes will be saved. "Whosoever" does not mean everyone can believe, only that any and evey person who believes will be saved.
It isn't so much that using Sovereignty as a name or description for God is so bad, rather it is the meaning of meticulous determinism poured into it that is so wrong. God is not an idol, whereas in the minds of men - that meaning IS applied to idols. Here is our God: Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Idols are capricious and cannot be trusted which is what makes them 'mysterious' in how men depict them.
Re Determinism, I believe the Holy Spirit would say Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! What else could you be doing in attributing what you do to God?
Amen, 8 Calvinistic Beliefs vs.The BIBLE : What's The Difference???... Calvinism : Jesus Died ONLY for the Elect alone. BIBLE : Jesus Died for ALL (2 Corinthians 5:14-15, cf. John 1:29, 6:33, 6:51, Colossians 1:20-23, 1 Timothy 2:6, 4:10, Hebrews 2:9, 1 John 2:2, cf. 5:19), including those who DENY Him (2 Peter 2:1, cf. Luke 22:14-21, Hebrews 10:26-29, Jude 1:4). Calvinism : Jesus is The Propitiation ONLY for the Elect alone. BIBLE : Jesus is The Propitiation NOT ONLY for the Elect alone, BUT ALSO for the WHOLE WORLD (1 John 2:2, cf. John 1:29, 6:33, 6:51), which includes ALL UN-BELIEVERS (1 John 5:19, Revelation 3:10, 12:9, 16:14). Calvinism : God Gives Saving Grace ONLY to the Elect alone. BIBLE : God Gives Saving Grace to ALL (Titus 2:11, cf. Isaiah 45:22, Luke 3:6, 1 Timothy 2:4-6, 4:10), but some Receive It in Vain (2 Corinthians 6:1), and Fall Short of It (Hebrews 12:15), and Pervert It (Jude 1:4-19), and Reject It (Galatians 1:6, Hebrews 10:29). Calvinism : God has Mercy ONLY on the Elect alone. BIBLE : God has Mercy on ALL (Romans 11:32, cf. Psalm 145:8-9). Calvinism : God does NOT Want All to be Saved. BIBLE : God DOES Want ALL to be Saved (1 Timothy 2:4-6, cf. Isaiah 45:22, Ezekiel 18:23, 18:32, 33:11, Matthew 23:37, Acts 17:30-31, Romans 10:21). Calvinism : It is God's PLEASURE to Doom the Wicked to Destruction. BIBLE : God takes NO PLEASURE in the Death of the Wicked (Ezekiel 18:23, 18:32, 33:11, Matthew 23:37, Romans 10:21). Calvinism : God has Decreed ALL Things. BIBLE : God has NOT Decreed All Things (Jeremiah 19:5/ESV, cf. Isaiah 10:1, 30:1, 55:8-9, Hosea 8:4, 1 John 2:16), but He has ALLOWED All of the Nations to Walk in their OWN Ways (Acts 14:16, 17:30). Calvinism : Election is According to a Mysterious Secret Un-Conditional DECREE of God. BIBLE : Election is According to The FOREKNOWLEDGE of God (1 Peter 1:2, cf. Jeremiah 1:5, John 6:64, Acts 2:23, Romans 8:29, 11:2).
Thanks for proving my point I made to the fellow who is putting this series of videos against Calvinism together. In the first video of this series, Living Christian asserted that Calvinists have their "go to passages" that affirm their teachings, but yet, you cited non Calvinists "go to passages" that you use to disprove Calvinism. So those who are non Calvinists do the very same thing they accuse Calvinists of doing, which is called being a disingenuous hypocrite. So if you don't believe that The Bible contradicts itself, then how would you harmonize these passages without using "emotional vomit" in doing so?
Hey brother, I think everyone would acknowledge that they have scriptural proof for what they believe. I don’t know how anyone would be able to prove anything to what they adhere to, without using scripture as their source of truth. To say that a non-Calvinist has their “proof texts” is a non sequitur… we all have our proof to why we believe what we believe. The point should be is does your proof text contextually grammatically historically communicate your theological positions? Are your proof text and how you interpret them biblically accurate? This is the point we all should be making. Prove that you proof text clearly explicitly contextually prove your theological position is true. You have a point that maybe I have not done that in great lengths with my videos so far. I plan to do that better in my next video because the next video will be focusing on inference and context. The videos up until this point so far have been a very succinct summary of why I don’t hold to it, but I have not provided a exegetical breakdown of every text. I have applied to how I have now landed. If I had done, so, the videos would be 10 times longer at least. So this is where grace is offered. May we both offer Grace with each other and still love each other and spite of our differences… that’s my hope and prayer
Helko or Draw according to Thayer's Lexicon means 2. metaphorically, to draw by inward power, lead, impel: John 6:44 (so in Greek also; as ἐπιθυμίας... ἑλκουσης ἐπὶ ἡδονάς, Plato, Phaedr., p. 238 a.; ὑπὸ τῆς ἡδονῆς ἑλκόμενοι, Notice it is different from drawing an inanimate object. Hope this helps.
Why would you say such viewpoint (Calvinism) can answer "all" the questions one has but then be a false Gospel? Wouldn't that me difficult for any one viewpoint to be able to do?
@@GoodBereanI get where it comes from. I’m just of the thought that using straightforward language is more effective in communicating our message. The 2 Timothy verse alone is much more powerful than saying be a good Berean. Just my opinion, no hate. “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.” 2 Timothy 2:15-16 KJV
@@GoodBerean also, I want to add that I think you are doing a great work with these videos. Calvinism needs to be smashed because it leads many intellectual type people seeking God to a false gospel and thus hell if they never hear the true gospel of Christ. Thank you brother.
