Why I DON'T Play Minecraft Java Edition (Controversial) 

I am the old woman player who started recently, about 6 months ago, and I recently started playing on survival from peaceful to normal, I am not fast but its ok I love playing and I Only play on bedrock , once I tried it , I think the graphics are somewhat better and I am left handed , the crafting keeps me using my mind and that is a good thing, you have taught me so much , like build myself up for raids and such to shoot a bow to give me enough time to kill, I just love your video's and look for them every day, thank you ibxtoycat !

Toycat is the most notable bedrock player who actually covers issues with the game and it would suck to lose his voice as apart of the bedrock community

Some of the issues with performance mods are copyright reasons. There was a deal with Optifine a few years ago that fell through because Mojang only wanted the performance aspects. But yeah, a large part of the divide between Java and Bedrock is preferences and familiarity rather than quality. As I've gained a taste for redstone I've essentially anchored myself to the version I learned it in; not because it's better but because it takes a huge commitment to understand the system.

I grew up playing Bedrock Edition. Bedrock Edition is misunderstood, there are just goofy people calling it "bUG-rOCk". Sure, the wither is tougher in Bedrock, but not everyone goes for it. I thought I never found someone who ACTUALLY likes Bedrock Edition other than me. Mad respect, man.

I started playing Minecraft on pocket edition in 2013 and I've seen it grow and become bedrock edition. Now, I play mainly on bedrock edition simply because it's where I have my long term world and because I'm more used to it then java edition.

Java actually does have under water rails now :) I hope more of the cool features will make their way to both versions

9:38 Ah the raid is taking place. Oh well guess I'll go and harrass the mother and baby foxes instead 💀

4:24 a recent mod in Java edition allows you to do exactly same things, i tried it and it worked perfectly (and even adds bedrock features like adding friends, cosmetics, emotes and more) For anyone curious the mod is called Essential PS im not a native speaker so sorry for any errors

As someone who originally started playing on Java, I used to not be much into bedrock. Within the last few years, I’ve definitely changed my mind on it and have really enjoyed bedrock the same as, if not more than Java, but I really appreciate both versions.

On the note of performance: There's a lot that can be improved in Minecraft's code without hurting gameplay in the slightest, mods are doing what Mojang needs to do, however I won't call them lazy, it's a management issue that's holding them back from doing these things themselves, nothing more, nothing less.

60-70% of Java exclusive features are glitches that they liked so much they decided to keep them. Such as redstone quasi-connectivity.

I honestly think the render distance makes a big deal in how great the game looks. Standing in a massive lush cave or just cave or ravine in general and being able to see every block and how vast the world looks really makes it feel more adventurous and increases the curiosity. Even looking over a massive amount of terrain makes you feel so little and that you have to explore every crevasse

Honestly, I like both Bedrock and Java. Sure they both have their fair share of flaws, but at the end of the day, they're both Minecraft. It's useless arguing what version of the game is "better" because everyone has their own preferences on how they wanna play Minecraft. It's good that there are Bedrock RU-vidrs like Toycat because this edition represents the majority of the Minecraft playerbase statistically, and it allows missing gaps to be filled when Java creators don't fill them.

Finally, someone who gives reasons why their version is better instead of giving reasons why the other version is bad

this is why i think minecraft is looking at parity wrong. it's really awesome that there's all sorts of little differences and reasons that players like their version of minecraft, and if you try to take those away someone's always going to be disappointed. the small differences and weird exclusives are what make each version fun! parity should be about the big things that everyone is complaining about (health regen) and not the unique parts of the game that make it familiar and fun (big salmon, combat)

The first time I came across a spawner it was a skeleton one and I hadn’t done any research on Minecraft and had no idea what to do with it. I remember burying it and attempting to build a basic base on the land above it. I have now watched many RU-vid Minecrafters and I’m thankful for you all for sharing your knowledge and creativity with us. I’m still very new to the game and in fact haven’t played for 3 months because I have moved for work and have only now managed to get my PS4 set again now. I’m very interested in exploring the new changes that the updates have made and to go back to trying to create all sorts of farms. I play on my PS4 and occasionally my switch because I can’t afford a computer with enough memory and game play, and also I find playing with a controller more comfortable and more intuitive than using and remembering the keyboard keys.

I started playing Minecraft Console in 2016. A few months later, I had found your channel - a video relating to TU46. I remember your vídeos as they seemed to be (as well as Echo’s) minecraft console’s only informative channels. I was fairly saddened with Better Together in September of 2017. A year later, my minecraft broke. I continued watching your channel but not playing. However, when COVID rolled around, I suddenly remembered about my console saves and loaded the two games up. I finally managed to get to an earlier state in my worlds. This lasted for two years until October. It broke again. Luckily, now I had a computer and played minecraft again. I use a controller as well. Truly however, the only reason i play bedrock is because of *BIG SALMON.*

Each versions has their ups and downs. I play both editions, and both of them are equally fun. I started with the pocket edition all the way back in 2014, sadly my og world is now gone and I don't even remember how it got deleted. I got my main world on java, which I had for 2 years now, but i'm slowly working on my bedrock world on the side which I hope will be my successor to my old pocket edition world.

The optifine and Sodium mods change the game by allowing the JavaScript to access multi core functionality. Java allows only a single core to process everything. It makes the game a multi core operating environment. It changes KEY aspects to the functionality of the game though. Like removes Volumetric fog and other effects and replaces them with low quality versions or “rendering” ghosts. It basically takes everything that’s far away and loads a psudo version of it that has no actual game data other than visual data. And when you get close it switches it to the “actor” or actual thing that the game calls for.

I started playing when Minecraft was in the beta. Then I quit only to pick it back up almost a decade later. Here's why I play Bedrock: it feels more vanilla to me. No TNT dupers, animals aren't persistent but respawn, Villagers are a bit less random, the list goes on. The only things I'm missing is being able to dual wield everything and the insane saturation regen. And maybe named banners on maps, but I can live without that.

By the way if you use the curseforge launcher, most mod packs are pretty much one click installations, and they are all completely free as well. And even if you don't there's options to add mods that quickly let you access the mod folder to add mods in game. There's also mods that do allow for one-click multiplayer every similar to bedrock which even can be installed via the near seemless curseforge, the one I use is called the essentials mod and it's pretty vanilla friendly. My setup is basically just a few performance mods plus the essentials mod for the vanilla gaming experience with Java that I have always wanted. It even somehow runs better than bedrock on my laptop because bedrock apparently doesn't know what to do with the i9-12900h and RTX 3070 ti inside.

I agree, but for me it was the opposite (bedrock->Java)

Personally, I just made a creative superflat world to test several builds. Now, after several years, there's so much stuff from farms to a self made castle. I poured so much hours into that creative world and it would take way too many hours to recreate it on java.

This is hardly controversial...

A moment of silence for the mother and child foxes 10:00 he brutally killed 😭

I'm one of those players who started playing Minecraft on my phone and started playing Minecraft on PC recently. I noticed that even if both devices play Minecraft Bedrock, there are still differences, and I find these differences fun to play with.

As someone who has recently gotten back into minecraft after over 5 years on console, your content has actually been pretty helpful for me because of this. Too many times I've seen a video only to find out it applied only to java.

I am a Java player. Always have been, always will be.... I've played Bedrock before on console and pc but I'm just a Java player... just how it goes. But I love watching Toy Cat and his adventures on Bedrock. Also, I really like being knowledgeable about both versions because of Toy Cat. Whatever version makes you happy is great.... We just like Minecraft.

Regardless of what version you play, we all have to agree that Dasani tastes like coins

The beauty of minecraft is that it for all ages 8-80 , almost 60 here and been playing for over 10 or more years

It just feels like people who play Java will talk down to you for not playing it while the bedrock players are just like "yeah minecraft wooo I can't wait for the two versions to be exactly the same"

I started playing on Java many moons ago and then with mods to make it more stable, due to mine carts lagging so much on my home run server. It was fun, but having to update the mods so often, it got stale. I've recently started playing Xbox Bedrock and am having a lot of fun with it, my only gripe is that I can't seem to bring my custom Java skin with me, which sucks. I prefer my own skin creation as it's more personal than picking from a list of parts.

I love to play both versions, I think they are both very good

I want to play bedrock as it has cross platform play, but man I cannot give up all the features java has. Building on nether roof, the useful F3 menu, being able to put whatever in your offhand like torches or food, able to see chunks and hitboxes, and of course, the infamous banner shield, etc. I just wish bedrock had all these so I can switch.

You play bedrock because you love it I play bedrock because my pc cant run java We are not the same

I have always wanted to move to Java but I can never get the game to run well, even with performance mods. I've never had that issue with bedrock and that's made me stick with it even with all of its problems. Plus, I'm also just used to playing with a controller on a big screen due to legacy console edition

I prefer Java combat and modding, having used bedrock for about 4y, console when that was available and Java from last year, although I do occasionally play a disk version of console edition for glide mostly

Been with you all these years since 2012 and never going anywhere, you’re the goat IBX ♥️

I used to play legacy console edition on my xbox 360 when i was young then switched over to pocket edition, and then i found out about mods. I really wanted to try them until i found out that the mods are only available on java edition and switched over to java and have been playing java edition ever since.

I play both Bedrock and Java edition. Bedrock I play because my fiancé only uses console and doesn’t use PC, but have adjusted to it over time due to having worked so hard to get things on our realm. When I played Java with friends, we had to do a bunch of workarounds and next update it all broke bc of the mods and we couldn’t use the world anymore. Stuff like waystone mods are super nice since a five minute trip to the fortress & my ancient cities in our realm is annoying but it’s worth it to know my world is actually backed up, saved and won’t get corrupted so easily. Still, even playing bedrock half of the time I’ve gotten so many rude comments from people saying “well there’s your problem” whenever I ask for help in something. It shouldn’t matter what version people use, unless you’re planning to play co-op with someone tbh

As someone who plays on my iPad 9 with controller, I feel happy you have made a video comparing the two, telling your prefrence without ranting against the other version.

you are correct in that mojang is to lazy to improve performance, mods like sodium and lithium change no behaviour. It's probably legal reasons why they can't add them. Also if you use a different launcher like prism it's then actually a one klick install mods.

I used to agree with toycat about his vanilla purism, and I preferred the bedrock edition for a while. Then they added Netherite and his argument about mods breaking the balance ceiling and adding features that surpass diamond gear got completely BTFO'd, and I find it hard to take his opinions that seriously now. And I'm not even the type to use mods like that in the first place. I love both versions, but modding the game is just too huge a feature for me.

7:30 wait a minute, didnt mojang added underwater minecarts to java in 1.17?

Him: One click mods! Curseforge: *vanishes* Him: Easier multiplayer! Essential: *vanishes* Him: Super high render distance! 69 mods improving render distance in some way: *vanishes* Other than that I still respect your opinion.

I love java and could never switch, but the PERFORMANCE of bedrock is insane. I was shocked at how smoothly it ran.

As someone coming back to bedrock after years of not playing you've helped me more than any other Minecraft video maker.

i played a lot of the 360 version back in the day but once I started playing java, finding really good mods for it, and once i started using shaders, i really cant leave java now. I've been using shaders so long I cant even go back to the vanilla look of java without it feeling too bleak to me

bedrock edition is the only version I've played, but java edition is great too, I'm sure. ( if I ever do try java edition, I'd absolutely NEED to use a controller, because i seriously do better with controllers, and all of the experience I have at minecraft is with a controller, so I'd probably have to learn the game all over again, at least as far as control inputs. ) also java has sad

As a redstoner, java is the only option

I was trying to play bedrock because I can play across all my devices. The problem I found is that automated farms did not work for me. The simulation distance was awful to the point that mobs would de-spawn from just a few blocks away. I would see this mob I wanted to tame, go back to my house like 30 blocks away and when I came back it would not be there. Java runs great for me, i use Fabric, Iris and Sodium. Also, the shaders!!! Amazing shaders with great performance. I had to stop playing bedrock and go back to Java.

I have played on Java up until the second I tried Bedrock and I never went back to Java after that. I have no idea why, but my fairly good and expensive PC handles Bedrock way better, I had a few mods to help out my Java but it never was as smooth as Bedrock. So glad there are dedicated Bedrock RU-vidrs!

I started on Bedrock with my Windows 10 PC. I had friends who were playing on Java so I purchased that version a few years ago. Been playing Java since but one thing I like is that I can download different versions of the Java edition. I downloaded 1.0 and laughed at how many recipes were different. Took me the longest to craft a book, to the point where I raided a stronghold for bookshelves. Slaughtered all those cows for nothing.

Me after watching the video: *inhales* "BIG SALMON!!!!!!!"

In my opinion, why parity between the two is taking so long is down to how to monetize the java edition

I originally played on my Xbox 360, transitioned to p.e. On my phone and now I play p.e. With my Xbox controller. I love playing with controller I hope to try Java with controller support, but I need to work a few kinks before that’s possible. This video was really quite refreshing and made me realise that liking my controller support is okay

I know this is probably untrue, but everytime I boot up Bedrock, it just feels like a lesser version of Java, nothing apparent is wrong with it per se, it just feels different and like, not that good to play with compared to Java, I always end up coming back to Java for this reason, I guess Bedrock for me feels more like I'm playing on a phone with a keyboard and mouse, compared to Java where it feels more cohesive. I understand what I'm saying is propably a huge nitpick, but it just FEELS true to me. btw not even the console edition made me feel this way, XBOX360 minecraft felt just as alright as java, its a bedrock specific issue i have that i cannot point a finger to where they went wrong.

THIS WAS DESPERATELY NEEDED! Thank you so much for representing us!

I play Java only but I'm subbed to you for years now :) I've enjoyed your content for all these years.

I started playing minecraft a xbox 360, I had to play this version for 2 years after they stopped updating it. Next I got a pc and played bedrock and that's what made me fall in love with minecraft. Finally when I got java, it was my favorite version.

Java is yes

most controversial cat ever

I love you man because no youtuber big as you, likes bedrock edition

Did that ravager just drop an emerald? I've never ever seen that or had that happen for my on Xbox bedrock. Is that a real way to collect emeralds? They are so damn hard to find, and this could be game changing for me.

Bedrock has so many bugs and performance issues, and it doesn’t have as much customization as Java. Also let’s not forget about microtransactions. Aside from combat, Java is infinitely better, saying otherwise is wrong

fun fact underwater minecart were added to java edition in 1.19... I think. Pretty sure it was in 1.19.

I go with both versions having different textures to feel like playing different games

5:55 the reason they "cant" do that is A. they cant use modded code directly, any optimisations have to be found and implemented by the mojang team. B. if they spent effort making java perform better, it would make bedrock look worse. Also, on top of having the advantage of being able to take advantage of multiple CPU cores, bedrock makes a bunch of compromises of its own (consistent redstone/hopper interactions being one of them) in order to achieve its better performance I want bedrock to be able to supercede java edition, but it wont. Microsoft wont put effort into the UX, they wont put effort into making the Marketplace better, they wont put effort into the small details that add up to make bedrock seem half-baked because none of that directly contributes to increasing the playerbase or increasing how much money that playerbase is putting into the game. The only reason Java Edition has survived so long is because Microsoft know mow much of an uproar it would cause if they discontinued it in favor of bedrock

there is no tradeoff with the good performance mods, just that mojang, itty bitty small indie studio that they are, are too lazy to implement these changes from open source mods. sodium/rubidium make client performance buttery smooth lithium/canary optimize tons of things and can almost halve server tick times phosphor/radon massively improve lighting performance and fix tons of lighting bugs saturn and ferritecore make minecraft, particularly modded, use way less memory krypton/pluto improve networking lazyDFU stops the game from setting up all the tools to upgrade a world between versions *every time you play* and none of these mods change anything whatsoever to how the game works. you could drop these into any world and everything would work the same just run better. and there are also mods like Alternate Current which make redstone dust more efficient and its update order actually understandable. and every single mod i just listed is completely open source. there's no excuse that mojang just doesnt know how to do it and mojang *has* brought on several mod developers to work with them, and they even tried to merge optifine into vanilla at some point and it just didnt happen cause the author is an egomaniac high off his own farts and didnt wanna do it cause mojang didnt want the zoom feature. none of this would happen because the authors of these mods are well-adjusted people, and as opposed to optifine, again, all these mods are open source

The beauty of Minecraft is that it's a game that anyone can simply pick up and play, no matter which platform of device they're used to.

I first started playing minecraft in 2012 on Java. I remember it being super fun. I remember that on my first world I didnt know how to place blocks and would end up just leaving holes everywhere. I stopped playing Java when 1.19 update came out because I couldn't update opengl. I also remember playing pocket edition and using blocklauncher mods. The good times. Another reason I switched to bedrock is that Java was so laggy. There is no reason why a simple block game should be that laggy. I now play windows 10 edition and the performance is great.

2:31 this is just a preferance but i kinda like how you have to be calm to actually do good i feel like it stops me from just going guns blazing and hitting everything and it makes me play more carefully in my oppinion

9:26 yeah, no lol. Not at all. I like bedrock and it's the version I play but my biggest problem with it is that the only versions that really have effort put in are the mobile and desktop versions. On the other hand, the console versions, especially Nintendo Switch, are much buggier and never seem to get any changes that improve their performance. It's playable on nearly any device out there but that doesn't mean that it runs well.

Thanks for doing the flat world series. I've been playing Java since late 2010, but decided to play along in Bedrock as my first. Bedrock experience. I find the villagers to be frustrating, but other than that it has been a very good experience.

Saying you prefer Bedrock because of the mods is like saying you prefer Skyrim on consoles over PC because of the mods

I wish they would merge both Java and Bedrock so you can not only have a uniform experience but you can play with anyone on any platform

Toycat you mentioned playing with a controller on Bedrock. There is a mod on the Java side called "Controllable" that allows you to use a controller. I just started a Java world after playing Bedrock for sometime now. While this mod isn't as good as the native controller support that Bedrock has it gets the job done. I basically use it for movement, mining, harvesting crops and cutting down trees. I use the mouse for crafting, inventory, chests and trading. You still have to use a keyboard for JEI if you have that mod installed.

the main reason i started playing bedrock is because of the performance difference, i went from ~15 fps on jarva to ~60 on bedrock using basically the same settings

I started out with the 360, then kinda fell out for a few years. when i got back into it I had no choice but to play java due to my outdated pc. now I have a great pc I'm still on java playing my 3-year-old long term survival world.

2:34 What you mark as bad, is called a REAL Combat System. I never heared people complaining in other Games, when spamming doesn't help them.

I agree that you just play on the version that you are most comfortable with or that your friends are playing on. I've slowly been moving over to bedrock because my kids like bedrock better, and there are things that I can do on bedrock that I haven't been able to do on java. I still play java, don't get me wrong, but bedrock also definitely has it's good points, as well.

The only gripe I have with the Bedrock version of the game is certain things being locked behind a pay wall. I'm so used to being able to download resource packs, mods, and data packs for free that it's a little grating having that stuff be "locked" in that way. However I have spent money on the old legacy PS3 and PS4 versions and I understand that after all this is a business. To go along with the idea of performance there are certain things about bedrock that I like as well, mainly that more often then not the game just works. I've been having a real tuff time the last few months getting the Java version running without the game crashes on launch so at least when all else with Java fails I can still play the bedrock edition during that time. Though I really wish they would fix the random instances of people just dying out of nowhere like they've been RKO'd outta nowhere like it's the WWE while just flying around or just doing something as simple as standing 🤣

As Java player, Bedrock edition just feels wrong to play. I have tried and tired and tried, but I just can't get over how weird it feels in comparison to Java.

90% of the time I've spent playing Minecraft has been on java, that being said I switched to bedrock on my old laptop for performance reasons a bit over a year ago. Now I don't have much reason to change back even though I have a better computer now, as I have ~300 hours in this particular bedrock world. I used to play with mods on java, but the only ones I really miss are those with quality of life improvements. Such as: storage mods like backpacks/toms simple storage, various structure and biome improvements, right-click crop harvesting and XP storage. Things that I could see being added to vanilla eventually.

I usually play Java, mostly due to the familiarity, variety of servers, and the precision of a mouse. However, one thing I have to admit is that performance is pretty bad without mods. I don’t mind mods in of themselves, but having to get a new set of them for every major update just to get decent performance really is a chore.

I prefer bedrock but I wish we had closer parity. I am jealous of some small features for sure.

I've once tried the java version on 1.16 but it was weird to me. I died a lot on easy mode, but at least I defeated the dragon, got the elytra and won the raid. I'm now only sticking to bedrock edition.

The mlg bucket is super easy bro when you use your Xbox remote just hold the place button down and when you get close enough you'll place it, just be careful cuz you might hold it to long and pick the water back up

I started playing Minecraft in 2013 or 2014 (can’t remember) on Xbox 360 after switching to every platform under the sun I now play on Java. No offense but I dislike bedrock like a lot however your points are valid and make sense besides I can’t tell you which version YOU prefer

6:00 I believe Mojang actually tried to purchase Optifine once but they disagreed on a few things so It didin't go through. So basically Mojang is indeed very lazy!

I am a mod junkie so the idea of using mods such as Create made me switch to Java right away after i had an opportunity to try it out but i do have respect for players that are enjoying the game as is. I have conditioned myself to the idea that my modpack is the most superior way to play the game which holds me back most of the time and ties me to older versions of the game. Updating a hurdle of 100+ mods that is my modpack is quite a task as you can imagine, so i have to wait a millennia until most of the mods are ported to newer versions of the game and furthermore until i am not lazy enough to update it. And yes, the performance is comparable to the health condition of a dying disabled elderly drug addict that is going through a withdrawal and an overdose at the same time. My game is on life support at this point although i have cleaned up a bunch of mods recently. The poor performance was the initial reason i chose to opt for bedrock instead, but after they had merged both versions and i received Java for free, it wasn't as bad as i thought it would be. Well, at least until i have discovered mods. Despite all of this, the Create mod along with others bring thousands of possibilities in the game so i don't think i am missing out on much. The only reasons i strive to update to 1.19.3/1.20 are the inventory tweaks they have implemented. Not much but making Java's absolutely horrible creative inventory a little bit tolerable is a price to pay even if it means i will have to abandon some of the mods and spend ages sorting them. Btw, what a villainous act you have committed here at 10:10

i remember back in 128 block limit days i made a superflat world that lead to a superflat nether complete with floor AND roof. wonder if the height of nether will get higher (which would effectivly patch the nether roof building java bug tho)

Do you need 100 chunk render distance tho? Also mojang can't add cause it's the modders code i think so it's like a legal issue, i think java has some fun stuff but I'd say bedrock is more with friends social maybe but java is servers

The main takeaway is that they are for different users: Bedrock - Playing with friends specifically, compatible on phones, switches etc slowing down higher end improvements, different code stopping/allowing certain features, Microsoft owned (marketplace) and less customising Java - For pro players who liked mods, resource packs and shaders for free, more possibilities and aimed for high end devices. Better for server multiplayer

I’ve been playing bedrock for 8 years and Java for 5, and I’ve never had most of the problems with Java that ur talking about. I have amazing frame rates and render distance on an old laptop. Also, there’s still controller support on Java. My sister sometimes wants to play Java on my laptop, but she prefers controller over mouse and keyboard, and there’s no problem. All you have to do is connect your controller to your computer and then you can play Java with a controller. Also, I feel like underwater minecarts are not that big of a deal considering there’s such thing as an underwater mine cart that can move around in all directions freely, which is called a boat. I also don’t really like the weird world generations, chunk errors, and rare structures that are way too easy to find because those just eliminate the challenge of the game. However, I do agree with the problems of cross-platform support. Bedrock edition really nailed it in that department and I feel like it should be added to Java. Ultimately though, I feel like the benefits of Java heavily outweighs the downsides, but you’re free to play whatever version you want, nobodies stopping you, so in the end, just try to have the most fun with the game in the way that suites you best

I've been playing Minecraft exclusively on my phone and tablet since about it came out and honestly I just love the bedrock version and seeing how it's gotten even better over time

I like bedrock but my biggest problem is not having shaders and actual good mods lol

I also agree with you, I like bedrocks quirkiness. but I have now started plying alot more Java edition and getting my friends to aswell because I find I can create a more tailored experience

The reason I initially began playing PS4 Edition rather than Java (PC) Edition is because my console couldn’t handle running video games better than our family computer. At the moment that’s still true, although the rendering distance for Bedrock edition is just sad in comparison to PS Edition. If Mojang can improve rendering distance for console that’d be swell; they’re several other issues needing to be resolved before I’d fully commit to Bedrock Edition.

when i first started minecraft i played on bedrock but i hade to switch mostly becaus everybody i know play java and now after 4 years of java i look back at bedrock see all the things i missed when i first stopped playing bedrock, but i dont think i will start playing bedrock as my main minecraft edition i will start playing it more. (sorry for all the miss spellings in this comment english is not my first language)