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Why I Gave Up On Brent Weeks (Night Angel and Lightbringer) 

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Mike discusses how Lightbringer by Brent Weeks went from one of his favorite modern fantasy series to making him no longer want to read anything new by him going forward.
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@mikesbookreviews
@mikesbookreviews 3 года назад
Hey bookworms! I get accused of only talking about things I love on this channel, so I hope you enjoy the venting of some frustrations here. As always, I welcome your differences of opinions. These are just mine.
@arshgrewal9487
@arshgrewal9487 3 года назад
Chill bro your content is great they are just a small minority complaining. How far are u in rhytm of war im 500 pages in
@Sighience
@Sighience 3 года назад
Sometimes something just doesn’t click, I know how you feel, much respect for going against popular opinion to show your side of the pi. Honesty is always best, an I don’t think you were over the top, nice video! 👌🏼
@archlectoryarvi2873
@archlectoryarvi2873 3 года назад
16:28 NO! Night Angel was not amazing. I speak to you as someone who's survived the Trainwreck that is book 3 and come back to give report. Also there's absolutely nothing wrong with only talking about stuff you like. Life's too short to read shitty books. Like Night Angel.
@samarthgupta2315
@samarthgupta2315 3 года назад
I found your opinion for the lightbringer closest to my own..Even the way series was recommended to us is the same So everything is same as what you said till book 4 but unlike you I actually went ahead and read book 5, because the same friend who recommended it, said to me that book 5 gets better - It may not be the perfect ending but you get to see everything answered blah, blah ... Guess what....I found it to be as bad a books 3 and 4..Weeks after shitting all over his own story in book 3 and 4 couldn't redeem himself in book5 I was just so damn positive about this series.. even before going in I was ready to love it because of what i knew about magic and love it I did for about 2 and half books.. Fucking Teia man..Paryl could have been game changing..but fucking Teia just made me wonna strangle her with her master cloak..
@VicRibeiro777
@VicRibeiro777 3 года назад
@@archlectoryarvi2873 I don't know why people poop on night angel... It wasn't the best trilogy, but I've read worse, I enjoyed it quite a bit and the themes and ending stuck with me far longer than many other books I have read since.
@jaiskoglind5762
@jaiskoglind5762 3 года назад
Me, who's read the first three Lightbringer books and loved them: 👀
@fredrikgranstrom6743
@fredrikgranstrom6743 3 года назад
Really loved the first 3 but they fizzled out.
@mikesbookreviews
@mikesbookreviews 3 года назад
Ha ha, I encourage you to read and make up your own mind. Folks just wanted to know why I quit.
@jaiskoglind5762
@jaiskoglind5762 3 года назад
Mike's Book Reviews Yeah I know what you're talking about with the certain non-existent POV character and I'm...let's say hesitant to read about it.
@ReallyGoodandKind
@ReallyGoodandKind 3 года назад
I loved them too. Thought it was brilliant.
@Abunchaponys
@Abunchaponys 3 года назад
I’ve read the first three aswell. Haven’t gotten around to the rest but I enjoy it.
@gayweiping
@gayweiping 3 года назад
Really like the The Night Angel trilogy.
@PhilipChaseTheBestofFantasy
@PhilipChaseTheBestofFantasy 3 года назад
I read The Black Prism and decided not to continue with Lightbringer. I think I might have enjoyed the series if I had been about 13 years old, but the prose, characters, and plot lacked the complexity I usually prefer. Without some of the most severe moments of violence, I thought it would be more of a YA book, but a fun one with a cool magical system.
@SeptimusTSS
@SeptimusTSS 3 года назад
the plot has quite a lot of complexity actually, but maybe it doesnt come up too much in the first one i guess, but yeah, especially gavin's story has a lot of complex points
@mikesbookreviews
@mikesbookreviews 3 года назад
Ha ha, damn.
@PhilipChaseTheBestofFantasy
@PhilipChaseTheBestofFantasy 3 года назад
@@SeptimusTSS Fair enough - I’m sure the plot deepens further in, and I actually enjoyed aspects of “Gavin” and his brother.
@luketufts6827
@luketufts6827 3 года назад
That’s actually very funny to me, the series isn’t my favorite but the plot and characters get very complex
@PhilipChaseTheBestofFantasy
@PhilipChaseTheBestofFantasy 3 года назад
@@luketufts6827 Perhaps that happens in the later books? I don’t mean this disparagingly because I truly believe that YA books have an important place, but the characters felt cartoonish to me. I will say they were fun and even somewhat interesting at times - particularly “Gavin” and his brother - so I can see where someone would find the series entertaining.
@DylanDoesBooks
@DylanDoesBooks 3 года назад
As someone who hasn't yet dived into Brent Weeks, I sincerely appreciate honest views like these Mike. I won't completely disregard Brent, but at least I know it's a series I should be more cautious of reading/spending a lot of my time on. Love your channel.
@callum7081
@callum7081 3 года назад
I found the ending awesome and didn’t notice what he said in this so it might be like that for you. Personally I had more problems with the wheel of time.
@mr_carlyon
@mr_carlyon 2 года назад
Its worth a read just for the experience of the first books
@DylanDoesBooks
@DylanDoesBooks 2 года назад
@@mr_carlyon I found the first 4 Light bringer books in a charity shop the other day, couldn't really turn them down got them all for the price of 1 new book. I will try them eventually, not sure when
@user-element115
@user-element115 3 года назад
I read the whole series and really loved the first three books, the fourth one felt like set up for the fifth book and was okay for me, I wasn’t the biggest fan of that one twist you spoke of either, the clues are there for it and it felt planned, but it was weird especially considering the POV chapters. The last book was a step up from the fourth one and was a fine ending. I’m guessing you would only enjoy it slightly more than blood mirror so I wouldn’t be eager to read it if I were you.
@asfaloth12
@asfaloth12 3 года назад
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. His books are on my TBR, and I hope to read them at some point, but will definitely manage my expectations. Thanks again!
@Rajathon
@Rajathon 3 года назад
I love Weeks work. The way he does combat is so good. I really enjoy that. I know it could have editing in the last two books but I really enjoyed the way it ended.
@mikesbookreviews
@mikesbookreviews 3 года назад
Couldn't agree more! He is a very talented writer. His plot decisions are just suspect for me now.
@DarthLobitou
@DarthLobitou 3 года назад
I really, REALLY liked The Night Angel trilogy, even when that third book went kinda sideways with the expectations it was building up and how everything got resolved (I actually think Night Angel could've benefited from being five books to flesh out its world and characters, because there were a lot of amazing ideas there that felt rushed out the door), but what I liked the most about it is that Amazon recommended the Mistborn trilogy box set when I bought this box set, and that's how I got into Brandon Sanderson. With Lightbringer, I was taken by the first book, but the second kinda started to let me down halfway through, and by the third I decided to go with the GraphicAudio version and stuck with it for the next three books, which made it bearable but, well, barely. Sometimes things falling apart for the protagonists is a good twist, it's even part of Campbell's Hero's Journey, but there's a point when things not working for them become as predictable as a happy ending (in an eucatastrophy sense) is to classic fantasy, and the actual twist is things going well for them. Sadly, Brent Weeks just decided to kinda vent the worst of grimdark and make it rain upon his story while also having a severe identity crisis on whether he wanted his characters to be liked or hated. And it all ended up being stretched thin and even then not everything could be resolved in a satisfactory manner. He and Martin and Abraham and Rothfuss did help me with a presentation I've been given on a regular basis since 2019 on new fantasy's obsession with what in Spanish I call the Three T's: "Tripas, tetas y traiciones." (Guts, tits and treason) while using fantasy merely as an excuse, a device and not a genre. It's all about the graphic disembowelment (and equally graphic description of bodily excretions and their odor upon death), graphic sex that would make Ron Jeremy blush, and politics. SO MUCH POLITICS. Like you say, there's a market for this (well, except Abraham; Dagger & Coin went overboard with this, set up "12 races of humanity" yet they were completely interchangeable and nothing felt fantastic in the least, just banking and politics in a Renaissance setting), but I'm not it. There's grimdark, say Joe Abercrombie, that goes to real dark places but without forgetting to put its fantasy setting first and foremost, and there's contemporary fantasy that wants to be dark and shocking and violent and "adult" to the point where it's just gratuitous, unearned and downright "edgy" for the sake of edge alone.
@lukebatchelor717
@lukebatchelor717 Год назад
PARAGRAPH BREAKS!
@DarthLobitou
@DarthLobitou Год назад
@@lukebatchelor717 Nah, they deprive a rant from its condition as such, and instead it becomes just another plain argument. Though I must say I certainly agreed with you back when I translated a book of short stories by Barry Callaghan; the man simply just won't pause for a second, barely a comma, much less a paragraph break. Stylistic decision, infuriating though it may be 😅
@rosseller2045
@rosseller2045 3 года назад
How do you reconcile King's abilities (or perhaps lack there of) to end a book? He builds great worlds, beginnings of stories, characters, but many of his books don't stick the ending...
@osoisko1933
@osoisko1933 3 года назад
I know you're looking for an answer from Mike, but it comes down to the drawback being on the gardner/discovery/pantser side of the writing process scale. King leans heavily on this side. Usually this leads to a lot of the strengths of King that you listed. One drawback is they just go where the story leads them, which doesn't always produce a great ending. Do note I'm not shitting on this process since I lean on this side of things too when I write. Gotta know your weaknesses as much as your strengths.
@VicRibeiro777
@VicRibeiro777 3 года назад
Don't poke the Mike, let him have his contradictions, it makes for a more complex and interesting Mike xD.
@avy_kay
@avy_kay 3 года назад
Reading Lightbringer felt to me like reading a Discovery writer as he keeps changing his mind and coming up with new interesting characters and ideas while abandoning his previous ones. (for both good and bad)
@drummerguy438
@drummerguy438 2 года назад
A year ago I know. But could you explain a little bit about "changing his mind"? I've been writing some of my own and feel it is inspired a bit by Brent Weeks. I haven't noticed major shifts when re-reading but I'd love to know what came across as heavy changes to you. If you don't mind. No worries though, again, you posted this a year ago :)
@avy_kay
@avy_kay 2 года назад
@@drummerguy438 Keep in mind, it's a long while since I read those books... But the thing that I can remember as notable, is Liv and Teia (?) I think they were called. While I don't mind where they end up (I particularly liked Teia's story), I remember thinking their introductions were very similar. As if Liv was created, and then her story suddenly went of in an unexpected direction, and so he came up with Teia instead to take her 'original' place. It's as if he started their story in one direction, and then got bored with where it was going, and came up with a completely new idea and direction, and went of with that for a while, and then decided on a third one. While I don't think everything needs to be foreshadowed or follow neatly (unexpected this are realistic), it did feel like a whole lot of words were spent building up a situation and carefully crafting a status quo for a character, that was then discarded and thrown to the side quickly, never to be relevant again (mainly thinking of Liv). Again, it is a long while since I read those books, so I could be misremembering, or I might have different thoughts on it today, but that's what I thought at the time.
@drummerguy438
@drummerguy438 2 года назад
@@avy_kay Thank you very much for taking the time to write that out. I really appreciate the effort you put in. Your insight is genuinely appreciated.
@avy_kay
@avy_kay 2 года назад
@@drummerguy438 No problem. Hope it was helpful :)
@dontimberman5493
@dontimberman5493 Год назад
Ya I feel you! Like abandoning friends.
@joshuabergeron9731
@joshuabergeron9731 3 года назад
I was literally reading through Lightbringer and watching your videos after every book, then I got finished with Blood Mirror and was like.... where the hell is his Blood Mirror video at? lmao But honestly, I'm close to half way through Burning White and I think it makes up for a sub par Blood Mirror. I didnt like Blood Mirror that much but I also didnt hate it either. I think alot of it has to do with the fact that i'm listening to the Graphic Audio version and I really love their voice acting and the music really brings out the tense scenes. But I always respect another mans opinions and give you props for being able to come out and say you hate something when It could possibly turn away some of your viewers. Especially now adays when everyone gets so butt hurt about every little thing. Hopefully you finish the series one day tho, I would be looking forward to seeing your opinion on the series as a whole. Thanks for the videos man
@dylanbivins847
@dylanbivins847 3 года назад
Ah, this is really sad to me because personally I love the Night Angel series because it was my introduction into reading fantasy books. & it was your reviews and Daniel Greene's of the first 2 books that got me into Lightbringer So far I have read the first 2 books and really loved them and I own the 3rd but haven't read it yet because I started reading other fantasy series you have reccomended. But I personally LOVE the first 2 books so far and the first half of the 3rd book that I have read.
@Badsauser
@Badsauser 3 года назад
9:45 there's actually some truth to that! Blood Mirror was supposed to be the final book in the series, but Weeks decided while he was writing it that he'd split it up into two, hence we got Blood Mirror and Burning White. This was a really interesting watch! I personally love Weeks' books, but I can def understand why you dislike the later ones. The twist in Blood Mirror was... far fetched to be sure, but I honestly kinda liked it. Also you mentioned it's a coming-of-age story, which is exactly why I think the older cast (Gavin and Karris) get sidelined a bit more in favour for the younger characters like Kip and Teia; passing of the torch and such. Gavin is my favourite character of the series, so I can agree this was a bit frustrating, but Teia is my second favourite character so I didn't mind it too much xD Also Liv got pushed to the background cuz a lot of people didn't really like her in Black Prism and Blinding Knife, so Weeks reduced her screentime significantly, which I also think is a pity. I have not read Burning White yet, so I don't know if he will stick the landing, but I have faith! (also I'm a new viewer and I'm so freaking jealous of that monster bookcase behind you xD)
@liammulvaney3281
@liammulvaney3281 3 года назад
Something similar happened to me when I tried to read the Mistborn Trilogy. I have all the copies and standalone paperbacks. I got bored midway towards the second book and struggled to finish it (Reading the final 100+ pages of the second book kind of reignited my interest). I read halfway through the third novel and just gave up... I love Brandon Sanderson's Elantris & Warbreaker, but I can't seem to want to finish Mistborn... I think because I felt too many POV's were introduced (in the last book), or I didn't quite like to read through the minds of Sazed, Tensoon, & Spook. It took some time before I returned to reading his work. Had to read the last three Wheel of Time books and after a lot of pondering... will start with Way of Kings next year (first time).
@winterwolf7423
@winterwolf7423 3 года назад
It's disappointing when a fanbase for an author will upvote a series to the point where even the worst installments have higher ratings and accolades they don't deserve. The same thing happened with Harry Potter and the Cursed Child and Veronica Roth's Divergent series. Fans of those authors wanted the works to be highly rated because they were fans and refused to acknowledge the flaws in the works.
@mikesbookreviews
@mikesbookreviews 3 года назад
It happens. That's the only way I can explain Blood Mirror being that high.
@JoshKnoxChinnery
@JoshKnoxChinnery 3 года назад
There are so many uncritical/unconscious readers out there. I'm pretty sure they outnumber us.
@TomorrowWeLive
@TomorrowWeLive 3 года назад
Rage of Dragons *cough*
@turtleanton6539
@turtleanton6539 2 года назад
​@@TomorrowWeLive the book boy that black guy ? they seemed decent but never got
@clarkkentnaruto4322
@clarkkentnaruto4322 3 года назад
Hi there Mike. I have tried to listen to the Audio book versions of the first book in both of his series, and to this day, I can't remember anything that I listened to. I always wind up wandering to other books. Anyway, I wanted to let you know, that I am now 43% into the Fires of Heaven by Robert Jordan. I just need about 10 more days, and I will be ready to start the Lord of Chaos. I am also currently reading the 37th volume of the Fairy Tail manga, which has been fun.
@LynxieDove
@LynxieDove 3 года назад
I had read the Night Angel trilogy a few years ago, and while I mostly liked it...I didn't feel terribly inspired to read more by him. But then when I was reading a blog of a new favorite author (Charlie N. Holmberg, The Paper Magician series.) And I came across a book trailer for Black Prism and gotten intrigued. While I'm a character driven story fan for the most part, I love extensive and well thought out world building and magical systems.
@b_olson542
@b_olson542 3 года назад
I had a soft spot for the Night Angel series, but I like ninjas and assassins and the like. I totally ripped off the main character to play in a D&D game. No regrets
@VicRibeiro777
@VicRibeiro777 3 года назад
Yeah, I also enjoyed the series. I started with the prequel novella, which in hindsight may not have been the best idea. The reason being it assumes you already know some of the magic system... Well after i finished the trilogy i reread the prequel and enjoyed it much more, getting to know Durzo better is a win for me. I've heard people complain that NA doesn't know if it's YA or grimdark, and here Mike raised the same point... I don't get it... It is a coming of age story... I wouldn't put it in YA. I agree with some criticisms and yes the first book was a bit rough around the edges, but i really enjoyed how mr Weeks "Stuck the landing." I'll definitely reread the series when I get a chance.
@JoshuaFricke
@JoshuaFricke 2 года назад
Everything came together so well in the end. I'm so sad it's all over.
@MarinaAngelska
@MarinaAngelska 3 года назад
I didn't read Night Angel but I was going to leave this long comment about falling out of love with Lightbringer. I don't have to though, because you summed up my exact feelings and thoughts on this series. The only difference is I couldn't finish Blood Mirror and this video has finally helped me move if from the Paused shelf to the DNF shelf. I have no problem ditching a standalone book but it took me so long to finally DNF Lightbringer because I loved the first two books so much and I needed closure. Unfortunately I really don't care anymore, maybe I will just google the ending. The funny thing is, I recommended this series to a lot of friends when I started it and they have all given up on it as well after loving the first two books.
@aey8737
@aey8737 3 года назад
I have never read anything by Weeks, but I have to compliment the way you presented your ideas. You made it clear it was not for you specifically, but I am not discouraged from giving Weeks a try by the end of the video, which is what I was expecting given the topic. Great work!
@NerdyDude186
@NerdyDude186 3 года назад
I'd recommend The graphic audio adaptation of the Night Angel Trilogy.
@crelgen1588
@crelgen1588 3 года назад
@@NerdyDude186 Seconded!
@andreasxanthros5853
@andreasxanthros5853 3 года назад
I couldn't make it through Way of Shadows and so ended my Brent Weeks journey. But as you say, he was trying to appeal to two different markets. And this is something Ursula LeGuin argued against authors doing. She advocated creating art rather than writing to market (and publishers' interests).
@alynam82
@alynam82 3 года назад
I've not read brent, but I still plan to one day. However, I'll break out the sage advice: life is too short and there's too many books out there. If it feels like work, dump it and move on to the next... so, I support the choice to move on and continue with books that gets you right
@donrohrbaughiii6367
@donrohrbaughiii6367 3 года назад
I'm almost done with book 1 of Malazan. Is it worth continuing on or is it a waste of time to try and get through all 10?
@ivanjelenic5627
@ivanjelenic5627 3 года назад
Some books are better than others, but overall, it's well worth it, I think. Years after, I still remember lots of characters, plots, specific things that happened. Book two has one of my favorite arcs (Chain of Dogs). Just be ready for lots of new characters, and not seeing the characters you know for a few books.
@donrohrbaughiii6367
@donrohrbaughiii6367 3 года назад
@@ivanjelenic5627 yeah, im worried im not going to remember who all the characters are and its going to become confusing
@t.hussain921
@t.hussain921 3 года назад
Depends on what you thought about the book. If you found it somewhat interesting but felt there was room for improvement then you might check out at least one more book. If you hated everything about it then the next books won't magically change your mind.
@madisongoodyear5040
@madisongoodyear5040 3 года назад
Lmao I’m just a guy with WiFi 😂
@ZamWeazle
@ZamWeazle 3 года назад
That made me laugh too! Mike comes out with some real gems sometimes 😂
@virx227
@virx227 3 года назад
I'm glad I'm not the only one who caught that! I might have to steal that line...
@kingtbird298
@kingtbird298 3 года назад
The M. night Shyamalan line cracked me up
@Tolmonster
@Tolmonster 3 года назад
I was the opposite. I loved The Night Angel trilogy. Read book one of Lightbringer and said “Well. . . That’s too bad.” And dropped it forever.
@jamespriest2984
@jamespriest2984 4 месяца назад
Same. Just reread NAT and NAN and started black prism and immediately dropped it. Just doesnt hit
@jimave
@jimave 3 года назад
I have listened to both series twice. There’s some fluff in the lightbringer series that wasn’t needed. It could’ve been cut to 3 books. Some pacing issues. I do like his stories.
@millionth
@millionth Год назад
I just stumbled across your channel here and, having DNF'd Night Angel, Demon Cycle and Lightbringer at near the same spots, I feel seen and understood.
@FiestaBuckeye
@FiestaBuckeye 3 года назад
I absolutely loved them. The ending could have been better, but it was still thoroughly enjoyable.
@TRUc972
@TRUc972 3 года назад
With book 5 I forced myself to get to half way and nearly DNF’d. I pushed through to 75% and again nearly DNF’d. I had lost all interest and didn’t care what happened. I ended up picking up another book and just getting through 10-15 pages of the burning white a day. It took me ages to finish but I just couldn’t stomach it anymore.
@fast.food.ninjalarry954
@fast.food.ninjalarry954 3 года назад
I am a relatively knew reader and before i start a series i really try to see if i ll like it by checking on reviewer's such a yourself. I cant imagine starting a book series and not ending it yet.
@tsekonya2141
@tsekonya2141 3 года назад
i just finished reading the blood mirror and while i wasnt realy mad about it its also just like such a transition novel, the final book is gonna have to do a lot of work to get things together.
@carlosandino5524
@carlosandino5524 3 года назад
Yes, Thato it ties a lot of the plot threads together. Andross Guile is the best character.
@noparkingtuesday4283
@noparkingtuesday4283 Год назад
Man, I was about to start this series. I looked up the spoiler in it, and yeah, that would have really upset me four books in! I’ll still give the books a shot, but yeah, I’m glad I know about the “twist” in question.
@danielvanrooyen9602
@danielvanrooyen9602 3 года назад
Sooooo did The WItcher also get the Lightbringer dnf treatment? I know Time of Contempt is rough, but Baptism of fire is one the best in the serious.
@mikesbookreviews
@mikesbookreviews 3 года назад
Nah, I’ll get back to Witcher eventually.
@darthblue75
@darthblue75 2 года назад
Would love a more detailed explanation (Not caring to avoid spoilers) for those of us that finished and loved all five books (some more than others obviously). Just would love to hear what didn't work for you in 3 and 4 and why it irritated you so much.
@AlyssaReids
@AlyssaReids 3 года назад
I'm sorry this happened. I hate when I have to give up on an author. It's always frustrating. Luckily there is an endless sea of authors.
@spazmaticfanatic6235
@spazmaticfanatic6235 Год назад
Ok so I am a huge lover of the Night Angel Trilogy. I am constantly talking about it. I could not get into the LightBringer series.. it lost me very quickly. Hearing what you say about the books, I can see your points. He builds this amazing dark world in the Night Angel trilogy of the underworld, but after the first book, it kind of steps away from that set up and I feel a lot of potential is lost. Durzo is by far the best character and a lot of stupid things happen when he's not around. Kylar seems to drop all his teachings after the first book. I still love the series, but I do agree with you completely
@damonke79
@damonke79 3 года назад
Insane that you brought up Song of Susannah. I actually stopped reading the Dark Tower series years ago on that book. I just wasn't enjoying it. Now it's been so long that I would have to start the series over. As an avid King fan, I feel like I owe it to myself to someday finish it
@RockyOutcrop
@RockyOutcrop Год назад
Oh Stephen king is awful.
@damonke79
@damonke79 Год назад
@@RockyOutcrop Early Stephen King was incredible.
@danlnad
@danlnad 3 года назад
That's ok that you didn't like a book series I enjoyed.
@thomaskittock2866
@thomaskittock2866 3 года назад
No it's not.
@DarceyRecords
@DarceyRecords 3 года назад
I feel the same. Everyone’s entitled to their own opinion. I completely disagree with this review of both series but I’m okay with that. I still love it and will revisit both series.
@RockyOutcrop
@RockyOutcrop Год назад
I have read the first book and I'm about 1/4 of the way into the Blinding Knife. I don't think I'll finish this book. I'm surprised you enjoyed the blinding Knife so much, must have been the Harry potter / name of the wind and so on magic school coming of age stuff you liked. I'm reading it noticing things like the lack of continuity when one pov ends with a cliffhanger and when we return to that pov it's gone. Or the repetitive sections where he has forgotten to hit delete so we need to read the same paragraph twice and so on. Was hoping it would get better and went looking for some reviews of later books and now I see that there's almost no chance I'll finish this series. Cheers.
@RockyOutcrop
@RockyOutcrop Год назад
Also your comment about how he watched assassin's creed and shoved it into his story is similar to how I feel about lightbringer..I think he wrote it then after decided to make it so the brothers had swapped places. The problem being so many bits of the story make no sense because of it. Things like the emotions people feel etc making absolutely no sense unless he had switched it after and then not done a great job adjusting all the story around it.
@MrWesLockhart
@MrWesLockhart 3 года назад
I adored lightbringer. Top 5 completed series for me easily. I would breakdown the books like this: 1 and 2 are five star books. Some of my favorites of all time. Book 3 is a 3.5. Book 4 is a 2.5. and IMO book 5 ties it all together with a solid 4.5. Much of books 3 and 4 could have been combined for a tighter, less meandering, and more impactful story. Not to spoil much but I don't think your qualms with the POV chapter not existing will be as strong after the completion of the series. I think Weeks knew this would upset people but I think he did a great job answering that question although many people complain that it falls too heavily in the deus ex machina camp. I'm bummed you didn't enjoy it but you're right, in the end there's so much to read and I would never tell someone to read something they weren't enjoying.
@FlyinTonite
@FlyinTonite 3 года назад
What would you say is your top 5 series? This is my 2nd fantasy series, I started with throne of glass and I'm liking it so far halfway through the first book.
@fjuran1
@fjuran1 3 года назад
Read the Night's Angel series and liked it. Have the entire Lightbringer series on my TBR, I am kind of bummed out here. Not sure whether I should make the investment in time, and try it anyway, with so many other books to read, on my TBR mainly the Malazan.
@danielvanrooyen9602
@danielvanrooyen9602 3 года назад
Bought book1+2+4 of Lightbringer on 50% sale yesterday, good timing with the video, but still looking forward to give this a good old college try.
@alexbenjaminrosenthal3989
@alexbenjaminrosenthal3989 3 года назад
Burning White continued the plot twist problems of Blood Mirror. I felt like the last two books of Lightbringer belonged in a different series than the first two. Not necessarily a bad series, but a very different one with different characters, magic system, conflicts and world. I did like Night Angel a lot, but I was a teenager who was craving grimdark when I read it, so I fit the demographic perfectly.
@Nina_chitchat
@Nina_chitchat 3 года назад
just found you channel - like it so far :) ! I loved Lightbringer but I hated the end. it did not do the story justice at all. but I respect your opinion. Night Angel was tough - I only made it through book one.
@MegaBaltimoreravensf
@MegaBaltimoreravensf 3 года назад
Is no one going to acknowledge that rad shirt?? Stairway to Heaven still is a top 5 rock song
@madisongoodyear5040
@madisongoodyear5040 3 года назад
His shirts are always fire
@dylanhoyt1863
@dylanhoyt1863 3 года назад
I've had a love-hate relationship with lightbringer from the beginning. The first book wowed me, but the prose is constantly hyperactive and at times sounds like an 8th grader trying to articulate something as deep and complex as a song of ice and fire. That being said, I'm glad I finished it. He does fumble the ending, but I was expecting it, and overall I'd say I enjoyed the ride. To be fair, I do stagger my reading, switching between different genres. I've never binged a series and I promise you if I binged lightbringer like you did I would have never finished it. I hope you pick up the burning white someday so you can be marginally disappointed yet awkwardly satisfied like the rest of us.
@infamouscola
@infamouscola Год назад
i also have a love hate relationship good ideas but bad execution
@rapturedmourning
@rapturedmourning Год назад
The ideas of a good story were there, but there was something wrong with PoV tone. The males had the introspection of 8th graders. The girl was what an 8th grade boy thinks of a girl.
@KFoxtheGreat
@KFoxtheGreat 3 года назад
I couldn't get into the Night Angel series and hear so many mixed things about Light Bringer that I generally have no interest in Weeks. It's good to hear a bit from someone who has read more of his stuff
@carlosandino5524
@carlosandino5524 3 года назад
The character arc for Andross is so great. The plot reveals in book 5 explain so much in the gaps because the characters POVs did not know. The ending that many don't like is earned and foreshadowed. He has said the next book is going back to the Night Angel world. The combat in that series reminds me of the movie The One. Spoiler: I liked how the "bad guys are the good" in Night Angel.
@OtherTheDave
@OtherTheDave 3 года назад
Eh, WRT Andross’s ending, I mostly agree with Gavin’s initial take on that particular situation.
@Tranewreck17
@Tranewreck17 3 года назад
I enjoyed the whole series and I’m one of those people that didn’t mind the ending at all. But I find it interesting though that I enjoyed these books quite a bit but I wasn’t really into the magic system. I don’t understand the comparisons to Sanderson.
@paulwalpole6103
@paulwalpole6103 3 года назад
I audio'd The Black Prism recently and have to say I don't really feel compelled to jump back into the series. I probably will, but I have read / listened to any number of books since then whose sequels are already calling me more than the second Lightbringer. I wouldn't go as far as saying I am done, only based on one book, but I am holding at 'muh' station right now for sure.
@GrimmShadoX
@GrimmShadoX 3 года назад
I was on a similar wavelength as you. Really dug books 1 and 2, book 3 not so much and 4 was a mess. But I finished 4 just in time for the 5th so just kept going. Wish I hadn't.
@0bscenity
@0bscenity 3 года назад
I think I may have commented on your Goodreads review of Way of Shadows, but I loved the Night Angel trilogy. Lightbringer started off amazingly, but he really stumbled at the finish. I really had to push myself to finish The Burning White. It was a slog.
@gaberodriguez4023
@gaberodriguez4023 3 года назад
Everything you say in this video is exactly how I felt about Robert Jordan after LORD OF CHAOS.
@mikesbookreviews
@mikesbookreviews 3 года назад
Hmmm. I can see the complaints.
@mariacifarelli4204
@mariacifarelli4204 3 года назад
Mike I have The Black Prism that I’m going to read after ROW ... oh well I’ll give it ago 😂 Hey when are you going to give us The Licanius Trilogy review... can’t wait for that one, as I think I know how that went. I have 100 pages to go before I finish it, struggling to get it finished because I want to read ROW but if I put it down I might not pick it back up 😂😂
@tylerblack301
@tylerblack301 3 года назад
I enjoyed the first 3 books. I agree with you about book 4 and everything that is wrong with it. I haven’t read book 5 yet but I plan on it.
@danielvanrooyen9602
@danielvanrooyen9602 3 года назад
"I am just a dude with wifi" - Mike's Book Reviews. Classic
@TimeLady128
@TimeLady128 Год назад
I actually really loved the Nightangel series. The system, the characters, their motivations, all the big and small things about it. It is the series that made me not give up on fantasy after everything else just started to taste the same. I still return to it occasionally. The black Prism....I have it on my shelf, had it for years and did not get past the first couple of pages. Something was different about it. Maybe it was because the translator to my language for the Weeks books changed, I don't know. With Sanderson I was held at gunpoint and for me personally it made me love the Nightangel Trilogy even more, because it did so many things right that the Stormlight Archive just plainly butchered. Sanderson worldbuilding is phenomenal, but there are issues with his overall characters and the plot that are nonexistent in the Weeks books. People do not have to agree with me and probably never will, but I love the way Weeks hinted at things and managed to play with what to say and what not to say to still make his story work. Anyway, cheers, everyone read what makes you happy!
@Ulmo90
@Ulmo90 3 года назад
Yeah, Lightbringer had a few bumps, but I actually enjoyed Blood Mirror, but I don't exactly remember which parts of the series I struggled most with. But I'm overall happy that I read the series and I loved the magic system, so I would not mind to return to the world somehow, perhaps in the style of Abercrombie's stand-alone novels
@MrTofy1974
@MrTofy1974 3 года назад
I had both his series' boxed up (we're moving to a condo from the house) in the basement and our water heater sprung a leak....needless to say these were the only books that were damaged...is that a sign? btw...I still haven't read them
@arthurmontiel2665
@arthurmontiel2665 3 года назад
It's interesting the diverse opinions on this series. I thought the first book was pretty good, second book was going downhill quick and finishing terribly and book three taking that terrible ending and running with it. On book four now, not excited. I was and still am a fan of night angel. Hold that series dear to my heart for introducing me to fantasy more or less.
@todostranslatorindianapoli9382
@todostranslatorindianapoli9382 3 месяца назад
I'm in the love them category... but I do appreciate you giving me things to think about as I restart the night angel trilogy.
@DarceyRecords
@DarceyRecords 3 года назад
You don’t dig Brent Weeks. That’s fine. You’re a Sanderson fan so I can’t knock your taste 😂. I really enjoyed both series. I also got into fantasy with Robin Hobb’s Farseer trilogy back in the 90’s so I don’t mind when things don’t go as how I would want. It makes things more interesting for me.
@yves2016
@yves2016 3 года назад
I love Loghtbringer but it really interesting to hear your opinion as we mostly agree on other series
@dandylion173
@dandylion173 3 года назад
I gotta say, you dipped out at the right time. I totally understand you calling book 4 a "hate read"... I struggled very hard. The Burning White was so much worse. It was so hard to read. I was furious the whole time. It's so disappointing because the first two really were just excellent! I fully think Weeks could maybe write one of my favorite series, Lightbringer just was not it. Tis a shame! But if you ever want to be angry at a book, pick up Burning White.
@whispersofthewind8401
@whispersofthewind8401 3 года назад
Well... that is kinda disapointing to hear. Still I am willing to try out the series at some point. Hopefully it will work for me. But I will put it aside to focus on Malazan for now. Which has been amazing so far (last book atm) and made me want to continue with the other works aside the big 10.
@mikesbookreviews
@mikesbookreviews 3 года назад
I always encourage folks to make up their own mind. There are still plenty who say they enjoyed it.
@covya
@covya 3 года назад
Yea, the twist with Gavin, that basically undid the twist in book 1? I set it down shortly after that. I get it, there's the concept of the unreliable narrator, but I REALLY didn't feel like that was foreshadowed at all, beyond a few bits in book 3. I don't know if I just missed something, but it killed it for me.
@mikesbookreviews
@mikesbookreviews 3 года назад
Just terrible.
@timzales5344
@timzales5344 3 года назад
I read Night Angel and thought it was good, but not very original. I wasn't in love with the Lightbringer series, but I was enjoying it through book 3. It seemed to be going somewhere fun. Book 4 was bad. I only read book 5 because I'd gone that far already and it totally fell flat with me too. I think your "Can't stick the landing" observation nails it.
@rumpelRAINS
@rumpelRAINS 3 года назад
I agree with you. I read the first Lightbringer book and bounced off.
@celestialdemon1316
@celestialdemon1316 3 года назад
I finished the series, but I agree with what you said about the twist in this one. I thought the shocking death in The Blinding Knife was absolutely brilliant, but to see it undone in book 4 was so disappointing.
@xXAussieYakerXx
@xXAussieYakerXx Год назад
I'm a gonna just say my first dive into Fantasy was Night angel and i was at a stage in my life where i didnt want to be in my own head so i dived into these books, and moved onto Lightbringer took a fair bit of time to get into Black prism, i understand alot of people didnt like the broken eye and yes i feel like it ended quick but after a re-read i got a soft spot for it, then i moved onto Brandon sanderson
@charlespeter5610
@charlespeter5610 3 года назад
I finished both series and I agree with you about his inability to finish endings well
@physninja
@physninja 2 года назад
I loved this series, but even I didn't like the ending. If not for how badly it finished, I'd have this series comfortably in the top 3 fantasy series. I know these issues must have been there in book 4, but I don't remember them bothering me
@fynrirbeskar2763
@fynrirbeskar2763 3 года назад
I loved all the brent weeks books, although i had to change up a few of the plot to suit my preference, call it "personal creative license".
@Watchmen98
@Watchmen98 3 года назад
When he started it, Lightbringer was supposed to be a trilogy. He should have kept it that length and then MAYBE it would have been better. I finished it mostly as a tribute to how good the first two books were.
@williamjones3534
@williamjones3534 3 года назад
I got off that ride with book one. Good world building however very soap opera-ish and very Deux Ex Machina in that it was obvious the characters was doing things because the plot said so. I enjoyed the first 2.5 books of the Knight Angel series. The first half of the last book was decent but then it was like he was under a dead line or something and just rushed it. The series could have been a four book series instead of three. It screamed it needed it.
@nathanliteroy9835
@nathanliteroy9835 3 года назад
@@williamjones3534 Oh my god, finally someone who thinks like my among the chorus of people praising pretty mediocre series. It was clear from the first books ending that the author was interested in twists and revelations and didn't care for characters or plausibility, it's just all so over the top. It's not just last two books that are bad, whole series is that well written. I had a suspicion that Weeks wouldn't be able to land a Lightbringer ending because he couldn't end any satisfying conclusion and suspense at the beginning - just a bunch of sudden twists that promise new adventures, while also breaking at least one character for some reason.
@williamjones3534
@williamjones3534 3 года назад
@@nathanliteroy9835 Agreed! you have a better thought out reasoning than mine. The sad part is I thought he had potential with the first two books of the "Night Angel" series
@mastersal4644
@mastersal4644 3 года назад
I had to come back and leave a comment on this video. I think you were very honest and good natured in here. The series didn’t work for you and that’s ok but I loved the fact that you didn’t rant or were not disparaging. I am a Week’s fan and loved Lightbringer but I respected your take. I can’t believe you got crap for the video.
@Michael_L_Morrison
@Michael_L_Morrison 3 года назад
I DNF'd on the first book. I just couldn't get into the magic system. I respect that many like it, but it wasn't for me. As for Song of Susannah, there is alot of good stuff in that book. I always look forward to this book on a reread. But I do understand why it doesn't work from some, and . . . to each his own. I'm good with it.
@mikesbookreviews
@mikesbookreviews 3 года назад
I'm slowly doing my Dark Tower re-read when it comes up on my ITM schedule and I'm curious if I'll feel differently about SoS at this age.
@TravisTofTheLeftHand
@TravisTofTheLeftHand 3 года назад
i quit on the third book{Lightbringer}. Still cant put my finger on why? Have no interest in picking it back up.
@akashas6012
@akashas6012 Год назад
I am plan to read the first three books. I have read black prism, it was a slow start for me. I had to keep rereading; the book wasn't holding my attention. But I found the book intriguing. The book was OK. Now I must decide if I want to continue reading the rest of the series. I find the politics or religion intriguing (the prism, drafters, wights, white)... The characters not so much. Don't really care what happens to any of them. So I will try the next two in the series
@rosierumsey
@rosierumsey 3 года назад
I didn't see any issues with the first 4. Maybe on a reread and ill pick up some issues. But book 5 was so frustrating. All the stakes were completely ruined. So frustrating.
@elishagraus8513
@elishagraus8513 3 года назад
Finally someone says it! That plot twist was so horrible, and clearly not planned from the start. Just halfway through the book the author says "lol let's throw away all the buildup I did for a dumb shocking twist"
@user-element115
@user-element115 3 года назад
elisha graus I think the twist was definitely planned, but I didn’t like it either, there is evidence for it way back in book 2 and maybe earlier. Spoilers for one example In book 1 the real Gavin made it to the green cell. When fake Gavin checks the alarms to see if he escaped he notes that they didn’t go off for some reason since there was no one actually there. I think the POV chapters that were supposedly dreams of fake Gavin kind of ruined the twist although those were some of my favorite chapters.
@JLchevz
@JLchevz 3 года назад
Sounds like he just needs to stick the landing. To be clear: I haven't read anything from him.
@michaelscheunhage2381
@michaelscheunhage2381 2 года назад
Opinions are fair, personally I found the end of the night angel trilogy amazing. I would def recommend it. Books ofcourse are like paintings, eye of the beholder.
@janehexum4093
@janehexum4093 3 года назад
i think you made the right choice iv read all 5 books and it just feel like the author changes his mind over and over and the main villain seemed like a place holder i kept waiting for the real villain. the last book felt like the author was just writhing not telling a story
@sleeplessbard2519
@sleeplessbard2519 3 года назад
I understand not liking Brent weeks I feel his writing is for mostly around the ages of 16-20 for me having read night angel in high school and loved it so weeks holds a spot in my heart as he and and Stephen King with dark tower got me into fantasy
@Rendref
@Rendref 3 года назад
Brent Weeks has a lot of ideas in his books that are not getting fleshed out the way they should on the pages. The whole Liv arc and creatures from other dimensions is just not fleshed out, and I think Liv is almost dropped/does not matter by the end. The same, only worse in terms of execution, was happening in Night Angel. But Night Angel is amazing in terms of plot, but so many things there just feel like a rushed outline of a million ideas. In some way, Lightbringer was the same, only done better. And yeah, some of those twists in later books felt like they just there to have a twist. That particular twist you were talking about, I think it would have been much better if that was left how it was in book 1 and explored further. It had so much implications, unfortunately, opportunity missed for me too.
@DiddntFindANameLol
@DiddntFindANameLol 3 года назад
I'm so upset about Liv. He's explained a couple of times that he moved her to a background role because she wasn't recieved well and a lot of people seemed to dislike her chapters. Massive misstake imo. Left us with a half-told arc for a very important and nuanced character.
@Rendref
@Rendref 3 года назад
@@DiddntFindANameLol really? That was a stupid move. Despite people liking or disliking her, it was a huge part of the plot. And her latter interactions with the gods were pretty cool and could have been full of lore. Instead, we got a blip and the blip has died. Authors should not listen to fans outcries, I guess is the lesson
@DiddntFindANameLol
@DiddntFindANameLol 3 года назад
@@Rendref Especially with book 5 being a thing! Her chapters were my favourites, simply for the fact that it gave us a way to understand wights and gods a lot better..
@jujubean9063
@jujubean9063 2 года назад
I’m on the third lightbringer series. For me, it’s good entertainment. Some of the side plots suddenly change throughout the series but it didn’t bother me much. It does feel like Weeks will just write in changes to the books without attempting to foreshadow while writing. He seems like a pantzer rider to me. I wasn’t sure how I felt about this at first, but I realized that the story entertains me so I was just being picky. The book makes me laugh, makes me want to pump my fist, and can even bring a tear to my eye. Overall, they’re great. I’ve heard the last two aren’t as good but my expectation isn’t very high. I’m just reading for cheap entertainment, I wouldnt call his writings masterpieces, but they are enjoyable. I’m easy going though so as long as there is magic I’ll likely enjoy it. I don’t expect character masterpieces or incredibly intricate world building, but I am pleased when I run into it. To anyone reading, I think lightbringer is a great choice if you just want a fun story and you don’t plan on taking it seriously.
@jujubean9063
@jujubean9063 2 года назад
Typed on phone. Sorry for the poor writing.
@damianrives563
@damianrives563 3 года назад
I felt the same after reading the 3rd entry to the Enders Game series
@ivanjelenic5627
@ivanjelenic5627 3 года назад
The books from Bean's perspective were good iirc. At least the first one, Ender's Shadow.
@nikosbookreviews
@nikosbookreviews 3 года назад
While I go finished and overall very much enjoyed it, I can absolutely see where you're coming from. The twist in Blood Mirror was a bit over the top, and the very ending was a bit meh in points, for me, it still was a fantastic series.
@MrSanemon
@MrSanemon Год назад
I'm not with you on the Broken Eye, I thought it was better than The Black Prism. I, on the other hand, like Kip much more than Gavin and felt like it was a treat to get more Kip Chapters. Tia was also a really good foil to Kip, especially in POV chapters of hers where we got to see Kip outside of his own head. Haven't started the Blood Mirror yet but it doesn't sound anywhere near as bad as you're describing. We'll see later this week whether I like it or not but I am fully expecting to enjoy it.
@youflyeverynight2222
@youflyeverynight2222 3 года назад
This was the Kings Dark Tidings series by Kel Kade for me. Book 1 and 2 were great. Really great. One of my favorites. And somehow books 3 and 4 were so trash. I cannot stand to read the next one when it comes out. Deep scars for this one.
@AndrewsWizardlyReads
@AndrewsWizardlyReads 3 года назад
I started the series near the release of book 5.... then it dropped and everyone I knew hated it. So I stoped reading halfway through book 2
@xcBlackDiamond
@xcBlackDiamond 3 года назад
Oh man this video is right up my alley. I think you made the right decision because book 5 was my least favorite book ever.
@andrewhallam237
@andrewhallam237 3 года назад
I feel the same. I got through the whole series but by the end I just didn't care what happened, heck, I can't even remember the ending, only that i didn't realy like it. Nothing against the guy, I feel bad just voicing this opinion, but I doubt i'll read any more of his books.
@Gregory-Peake
@Gregory-Peake 2 года назад
As you said Durzo was amazing, I even did a Skyrim playthrough with a build based on him. Then the start of this series was so strong but I agree after book 2 it drops. No spoilers, but after reading of a characters struggles for multiple books only for them to have a terrible unnecessary death totally turned me off the series. I'll like his writing style and will pick up future books but I understand why you may not.
@tommyboyscalemodeling4988
@tommyboyscalemodeling4988 3 года назад
I couldn't disagree more. But hey people like what they like. I feel the same way about Sanderson. He's a good writer, but I don't get all the fanaticism. I read the first two of Stormlight Archive and couldn't go any farther. Most overrated books I've ever read.
@avi6837
@avi6837 3 года назад
Oops.. this was in my tier -2 read list but I was a bit skeptical for the reason you mentioned but not as strongly.. after this... Ummm.. not sure
@luckigolfer
@luckigolfer 3 года назад
No series is perfect but I really liked the beginning and end of the Lightbringer series.
@mikesbookreviews
@mikesbookreviews 3 года назад
I'm glad others got what they were looking for. Just felt like a huge missed opportunity to me.
@luckigolfer
@luckigolfer 3 года назад
@@mikesbookreviews can't say that until you finish the series ;)
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