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Why I HATE Linguistics 

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Thanks to David Allen Martin II, Gigachad German Coach Incarnate, for being the German speaker in the video! He's a great language learning coach who can be found @LinguaThor or @linguathor_fluency on Instagram.

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@bulba
@bulba 5 месяцев назад
i will master linguistics in a single thursday evening to spite you
@LanguageSimp
@LanguageSimp 5 месяцев назад
XDizzle
@zevelgamer.
@zevelgamer. 5 месяцев назад
Cool, I suggest you look at language Jones' guide.
@KritarthaSharma
@KritarthaSharma 5 месяцев назад
gl
@kumoric
@kumoric 5 месяцев назад
don’t do it fizzarolli
@maca_atomica_animacoes
@maca_atomica_animacoes 5 месяцев назад
@@LanguageSimp olá LanguageSimp, i like your channel from Brazil 🇧🇷👍
@SKO_EN
@SKO_EN 5 месяцев назад
> hates on phonetics > proceeds to stream for hours constantly mispronouncing ы as уй
@sterlingdriggs8806
@sterlingdriggs8806 5 месяцев назад
the worst part is, I went around telling people that Russian has a cool letter that's pronounced, OYYY
@Ins4n1ty_
@Ins4n1ty_ 5 месяцев назад
@@sterlingdriggs8806 is there a lmao, too?
@sjuns5159
@sjuns5159 5 месяцев назад
Yeah he does say уй [uj], doesn't he? I was wondering, is that intentional, like part of the joke? Or is that actually him doing that? I mean I do think it's actually a bit of a diphthong, at least it never sounds like pure [ɨ] to me. Maybe a bit more like [ɯɨ̯], starting more in the back?
@klaus120
@klaus120 5 месяцев назад
​@@sjuns5159 he definitely says it more in the back of the mouth, but just for the funny, because when he speaks russian seriously, he does pronounce "ы" correctly
@matt92hun
@matt92hun 5 месяцев назад
If only there were a phonetic description for that sound that you could just look up once and pronounce it correctly from then on.
@panipaji
@panipaji 5 месяцев назад
Man I had it all backwards. I learned every language to learn IPA for my phonetics class this semester :/
@BrayanGonzalez-jj4gv
@BrayanGonzalez-jj4gv 3 месяца назад
I love the IPA tho
@franciscoovarela
@franciscoovarela 20 дней назад
@@BrayanGonzalez-jj4gv Same hehe
@Yudentheepicboy
@Yudentheepicboy 5 месяцев назад
guys, he's telling you to roast his physical appearance, AND wearing a my chemical romance shirt? He's clearly depressed
@Bearywhite2
@Bearywhite2 5 месяцев назад
His kink is shaming
@leiocerayt
@leiocerayt 5 месяцев назад
He had washing day so thats the reason why he wore that shirt lmao
@Xanthas998
@Xanthas998 5 месяцев назад
​@@leiocerayt Wash day tomorrow. Nothing clean, right?
@FrozenMermaid666
@FrozenMermaid666 5 месяцев назад
I cannot believe that I am not the only one who cannot read the IPA 😂 lol - I see the IPA for Icelandic and Gothic and Norse words, and I don’t know what c is supposed to sound like, and it’s very confusing, because isn’t the k sound a k and isn’t the ch sound a tsh sound or something like that, and then I am thinking, what could c be then, and also, why is j used for an y / i sound when j is a normal j sound like the j in the French word je, and why is the z-based symbol used for the j sound when it isn’t a z-like sound at all lol, and why the y and the i have different symbols when it’s literally the same sound aka a full / normal i sound like the ý / j / í in Icelandic and Norse and the i in Spanish and the y in English, like, it’s literally the same exact sound, I don’t hear any other sound that wouldn’t be a normal i sound, so, the IPA symbols are very confusing! (But anyways, dative was created by the germanic dude that created the first language Proto European which is the first language with proper grammar and thousands of words that came with the first writing system, that inspired all other languages and writing systems, either directly or indirectly, but mostly indirectly, and the dative case also kept being used by every other dude that created a new language by modifying it or newer previous languages, as one automatically uses the dative case whenever there’s an indirect object or a third party in the sentence, even when the word endings are the same, and it didn’t appear naturally, and this environment was also designed by its creator!)
@leiocerayt
@leiocerayt 5 месяцев назад
@@FrozenMermaid666 ain’t reading allat
@MiguelZapateiro
@MiguelZapateiro 5 месяцев назад
There's nothing scientific about ordering orange chicken in flawless Chinese, but there's definitely a ton of science in studying how Chinese speakers order their orange chicken.
@spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace
@spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace 5 месяцев назад
yes
@thequeertelope7941
@thequeertelope7941 4 месяца назад
oui
@togekiss09
@togekiss09 4 месяца назад
Si
@РандомАноним
@РандомАноним 4 месяца назад
shi de
@sopa7maruchan
@sopa7maruchan 4 месяца назад
Ja
@Naahuarem
@Naahuarem 5 месяцев назад
Linguistics is kind of like biology, its just for extreme accuracy but you dont need to be a biologist to know how to breath or the fact that drinking water keeps you alive
@etruscanetwork
@etruscanetwork 5 месяцев назад
Linguistics = Learning about languages instead of actually learning how to speak the language Biology = Learning about life instead of actually living
@niwa_s
@niwa_s 5 месяцев назад
It provides tools for describing languages in extreme detail, but a lot of the time it doesn't actually apply them in a way that accurately reflects real world language use. Another reason to be careful when diving into the linguistics of a second language you're learning; you may pointlessly second-guess intuition you're developing through engagement with native speakers because "the science" disagrees with it.
@Bessux
@Bessux 4 месяца назад
@@niwa_s That's a made-up problem you just invented in your head. It never happens.
@felipevasconcelos6736
@felipevasconcelos6736 4 месяца назад
@@niwa_s for languages that have been extensively studied, like English, Spanish, Japanese, French, Arabic (some varieties), Chinese (some varieties), German, Russian, etc. your intuition as a learner is much less likely to align with what native speakers do than the current science. Note that I’m not talking about textbooks, full of artificial rules and outdated ones. I’m talking about what actual modern linguistics has described, which’s the rules native speakers follow subconsciously. Like how English speakers can reduce the vowel in “can” to schwa, but not the vowel in “can’t”, but they can drop the final t in “can’t”.
@thiagoelav633
@thiagoelav633 Месяц назад
not a good analogy, in real life, some people really nead to learn Biology, physician, veterinary, agronomist, etc. essential knowledge for living Who need to learn linguistics in real life? besides students and researchers of linguistics. "So you are saying that some knowledge is more important then others based on the use and needs in real life"?" YES
@Lunamanka
@Lunamanka 5 месяцев назад
Skill issue. Only real chads can handle both linguistics and language learning
@Lunamanka
@Lunamanka 5 месяцев назад
Which in my opinion are linked
@thenightshadowyt9309
@thenightshadowyt9309 5 месяцев назад
He's a real chad too. Just anyone who delves into language learning is a chad, this argument is pointless.
@Andra1150
@Andra1150 5 месяцев назад
Milo from the Atlantis is a gigachad then
@Cocoscz
@Cocoscz 5 месяцев назад
true
@carefultreading
@carefultreading 5 месяцев назад
Linguistics makes language learning infinitely more fun (and often much easier as well)
@alenunya
@alenunya 5 месяцев назад
Where are my linguistics and grammar charts enjoyers at? Bring it in 🖐️
@yipperson2974
@yipperson2974 5 месяцев назад
🤚
@laskdjf3880
@laskdjf3880 5 месяцев назад
@craftswithjavy3428
@craftswithjavy3428 5 месяцев назад
🤚
@MsMimo07
@MsMimo07 5 месяцев назад
Here🙋🏼‍♂️ But I also hate phonetics😅
@Krincel_69
@Krincel_69 5 месяцев назад
🤚
@EstenOctavian
@EstenOctavian 5 месяцев назад
This is probably LanguageSimp's most serious video
@jelqingmybwc
@jelqingmybwc 4 месяца назад
And likely his worst video yet tbh.
@michaeljakubek
@michaeljakubek 3 месяца назад
And a completely wrong and idiotic one.
@holaliceanos
@holaliceanos 2 месяца назад
@@michaeljakubekI hope he is just doing it for engagement
@User-dyn
@User-dyn 2 месяца назад
​@@holaliceanosim pretty sure his whole channel is a parody making fun of dumb language channels that pretend to learn a language in a short span of time just by learning a few sentences that they use in the video
@legacywolf443
@legacywolf443 5 месяцев назад
I respect anyone of this opinion :3 I couldn't disagree more tho :3 My language teachers at school made learning way too hard by never talking about linguistics at all, solely relying on "absorbing". Once I got my hands on a German book that contained grammatical explanations, it all suddenly made sense and I finally knew how to speak correctly
@el-jayenglish9548
@el-jayenglish9548 5 месяцев назад
Hello. So much to consider.
@luxraider5384
@luxraider5384 5 месяцев назад
well grammatical explanations aren't exactly linguistics.
@kianpfannenstiel
@kianpfannenstiel 5 месяцев назад
​@@luxraider5384well, if they describe the language's rules that's step 1 of linguistics. If it uses linguistic terminology that's linguistics
@luxraider5384
@luxraider5384 5 месяцев назад
@@kianpfannenstiel not really, a lot of grammatical rules aren't intuitive and need actual explanation. Also our brains aren't as spongy as toddlers
@Zephiias
@Zephiias 5 месяцев назад
I agree. Especially if you want to learn a Language in and out, you need theory. Its more of a help then anything else
@davidp.7620
@davidp.7620 5 месяцев назад
Wait, you're telling me that an academic discipline that was never intended to have an application to language learning does indeed have no application to learning languages? Who would have thought?
@Naahuarem
@Naahuarem 5 месяцев назад
You have my respect
@jacobfernandes7213
@jacobfernandes7213 5 месяцев назад
seriously… its almost like ipa was meant as a descriptive tool, not as a prescriptive way of helping you “master a native accent”
@GasparPelaez
@GasparPelaez 5 месяцев назад
actually, for this video, I´ll unsuscribe to this channel. He isn´t a gigachad more, he just hasn´t the necessary abstraction skills
@Buzenbazen
@Buzenbazen 5 месяцев назад
@@GasparPelaez and you hasn't the proper english skills
@GasparPelaez
@GasparPelaez 5 месяцев назад
@@Buzenbazen I have the skill of create the verb desuscribe and use it bad
@thebeebz9511
@thebeebz9511 5 месяцев назад
Learning phonetics is like learning the names of colors. Sure it helps to pick up the basics, but it's not the end of the world if you don't know the difference between magenta and fuscia.
@pog-poggers5290
@pog-poggers5290 5 месяцев назад
Precisely.
@kakahass8845
@kakahass8845 5 месяцев назад
Unless one of your goals is to have perfect pronunciation.
@FrozenMermaid666
@FrozenMermaid666 5 месяцев назад
My pronunciation is perfect, and I cannot read the IPA to save my life, and children don’t know the IPA either when learning how to speak the first language that they are made to learn, and are just imitating the exact sounds that they hear - besides, my target languages are only the pretty languages, including the prettiest languages ever Norse / Gothic / Icelandic / Faroese / Dutch / Norwegian / Danish / Welsh / Breton / Cornish which are as pretty as English, and these languages and my other target languages don’t have any of those odd sounds that sound like coughing or other funny sounds, so they are usually the same sounds that I am already used to, including the coolest sounds and the other normal sounds that are naturally easy to make by imitating the sounds one hears!
@FrozenMermaid666
@FrozenMermaid666 5 месяцев назад
To be honest, having a perfect pronunciation is more about the accent, not really about knowing the IPA, for example, one may know all the sounds in German very well and one may even know the IPA, but one is still not going to sound native in German if one isn’t native speaker level, because German has one of the accents that are the hardest to imitate, having a category 2 accent and pronunciation, so one must practice a lot and learn each word automatically, plus it takes years to fully develop a natural native German accent - however, in languages such as English / Icelandic / Norse / Gothic / Dutch it is naturally easy to sound native as these languages have the accents that are the easiest to imitate and the easiest category 1 pronunciation, so I could sound native in Icelandic even as a beginner, for example, but now I am advanced level!
@thebeebz9511
@thebeebz9511 5 месяцев назад
@@FrozenMermaid666 perfect pronunciation is subjective depending on regional dialect. If you took your perfect Danish pronounciation (which 💯 does sound like coughing BTW) to Skåne, and applied it to Swedish, your pronunciation would be understood a lot better than if you took the same pronunciation up north, lol.
@ziggystardog
@ziggystardog 5 месяцев назад
I’ve been drinking in the IPA for years and it hasn’t harmed me yet
@namelessbeast4868
@namelessbeast4868 5 месяцев назад
I thought your legal name was Language Simp?! Who the frick is Earl?
@artiomboyko
@artiomboyko 5 месяцев назад
It’s just a random name for the sketch. It must be…
@mattbellal
@mattbellal 4 месяца назад
​@@artiomboyko his real name is Joshua according to Google
@langdinish
@langdinish 4 месяца назад
"My name is Earl" is the name of an American show
@sabiro2315
@sabiro2315 5 дней назад
​@@mattbellal huh I thought it was Kevin or something
@navisnau3140
@navisnau3140 5 месяцев назад
You only need to learn IPA symbols relevant to your target language not the whole of it
@Nikola_M
@Nikola_M 5 месяцев назад
He specifically needs to learn ɨ (ы)
@navisnau3140
@navisnau3140 5 месяцев назад
@@Nikola_M Yes, and also ʕ and ħ for ع and ح respectively.
@WhizzKid2012
@WhizzKid2012 5 месяцев назад
​@@Nikola_M /uj/
@ssxhj
@ssxhj 2 месяца назад
​@@navisnau3140 and ʔ for ء
@zevelgamer.
@zevelgamer. 5 месяцев назад
Language Jones not gonna be happy with that one 😮
@LanguageSimp
@LanguageSimp 5 месяцев назад
@el-jayenglish9548
@el-jayenglish9548 5 месяцев назад
That was the top comment on my screen. LoL
@kianpfannenstiel
@kianpfannenstiel 5 месяцев назад
For the most part you're pretty much right, but it's kind of like being right when you say night is darker than day. It's basically a non-statement, because that's like the defining feature of night. My extra pedantic corrections are in a response to this comment, it's already long enough. So the thing is not 1 single actual linguist will tell you you need to memorize the entire ipa chart, vowels or no, except when you're taking a college or higher phonetics class. Most of us don't memorize the whole thing and even fewer can say all the different sounds. Mind you, ipa is flawed, but it's been created for a specific purpose, and it more or less gets the job done. It's like seeing a woodworker with a highly specific jig and getting upset at him because the jig isn't used for your table or chair or what have you, even though he never told you to use it for a table or chair or what have you. Also, it is a very valuable thing to know the names of the verb tenses if you're learning in a group or with an instructor. It enables the meta-language that can be used to talk about mistakes being made. For self study it's also useful if you're working out of a book or something, but otherwise you should be fine without it. I have no idea what your complaint regarding case was, so I can't really address it, but I feel like you were wrong.
@kianpfannenstiel
@kianpfannenstiel 5 месяцев назад
Like everything, knowing ipa for language learning is a useful tool, but only bother with the sounds of your target language and use them specifically for meta discussion of the pronunciation. Don't worry about being perfectly accurate with pronunciation, it's just a tool, not a rule. Phonetics is the study of how we make sounds/what sounds we make generally. Phonology is the study of how we think about sounds and what sounds we make in certain contexts. I personally think phonology is fake, but if you're talking about phonotactics (contextual sound change), you're talking phonology. The names of the characters in ipa are not the same names as the sounds. You were describing sound names (central/lateral, voicing, place, nasal/oral, manner; feel free to drop what's redundant) and letter names. For example, "ŋ" represents the central voiced velar nasal stop (nasal stops are sometimes just called nasals, so in english you'd typically call this the velar nasal), but the character's name is engma (pronounced approximately /ɛŋmə/ or /eŋmə/, which is basically the way you want to say it).
@aurignyfrench9780
@aurignyfrench9780 5 месяцев назад
Can't spell linguisticks without ick 🔥😍
@alyss_aq
@alyss_aq 5 месяцев назад
This comment bothers me sm cus of the fact there is no 'k' in linguistics 😭
@kumoric
@kumoric 5 месяцев назад
@@alyss_aq omg no way sherlock 😱😱😱😱 lol
@alyss_aq
@alyss_aq 5 месяцев назад
@@kumoric I just said it bothers me, I wasn't trying to sound like a smartass bruh
@Idkpleasejustletmechangeit
@Idkpleasejustletmechangeit 5 месяцев назад
You also can't spell it without "stick". What exactly is a "lingui stick"?
@matt92hun
@matt92hun 5 месяцев назад
@@alyss_aq It's funny, because linguistics are descriptive, therefore if they consistently spells it like that along with other people, it's a valid spelling.
@AmeDayo
@AmeDayo 5 месяцев назад
Hi, the feeling is mutual. We actual linguists hate polyglots. Hate the player and the game. Every time I tell someone I study linguists they ask "How many languages do you know?" as if I need to be a polyglot to be a linguist. You don't need to study linguistics to be a polyglot and vice versa. The answer is 4 btw, none fluent.
@artiomboyko
@artiomboyko 5 месяцев назад
Lol, so true - Wow, linguistics? How many languages do you speak? - You know, you don’t need to learn a ton of languages to study linguistics because you are studying the structures and you can use special scientific descriptions and you can do research on languages you know nothing about and blablabla… But. I speak 5~7 languages, if you are still wondering
@hcholm
@hcholm 5 месяцев назад
The problem with learning pronunciation only by ear is that many people's ears aren't that well tuned to picking up sounds in foreign languages. Learning phonetics and phonology can be of great help to improve your ears' tuning. It's not just theory. It has certainly helped me a lot, especially when listening for sound differences (phonemes) that don't exist in my native Norwegian, but are crucial in a target language. For instance, I could quickly be aware of the differences between open and closed e and o in Italian and how the various Polish fricatives work. Instead of spending ages not being aware of that and being misunderstood because of the confusion I caused, I could move on to learning vocabulary and other parts of the language, being confident that my pronunciation was at least OK. It's odd to see how awful pronunciation many polyglots have. That includes Language Simp's pronunciation of the Russian ы, which ... leaves a lot to be desired. Good pronunciation isn't just about showing off, it's about getting understood easily. In the worst case, bad pronunciation will cause misunderstandings. Phonetics isn't that difficult to learn, and well worth the effort, because you can apply what you know to any language.
@groszek1451
@groszek1451 5 месяцев назад
👏
@dodolulupepe
@dodolulupepe 5 месяцев назад
He pronounces that Russian letter fine when speaking Russian, the uy pronunciation is a joke
@hcholm
@hcholm 5 месяцев назад
@@dodolulupepe OK. It's sometimes hard to tell if he's joking or not. This whole video could be a joke for all I know. Using irony online is difficult.
@chrolka6255
@chrolka6255 4 месяца назад
I learnt IPA when studying English without even trying. Whenever I looked up a word in a dictionary, I saw its phonetic transcription, and - knowing how the word was pronounced - I inferred the sounds represented by the characters. Now knowing IPA helps me a lot with my French because I can revise words in Anki without having to listen to them.
@misha_360
@misha_360 Месяц назад
​@@dodolulupepe His Ы is not fine
@amOhad131
@amOhad131 5 месяцев назад
3:53 You forgot to use the voiced dental or alveolar plosive at the end of the word "And" so your are clearly not an English speaker.
@LanguageSimp
@LanguageSimp 5 месяцев назад
I'm punching the air
@luxraider5384
@luxraider5384 5 месяцев назад
he's an american speaker, that's why
@bubbletea695
@bubbletea695 5 месяцев назад
erm actually he pronounced it with a constrained audible release, also known as applosivity, denoted by the symbol: ◌̚
@DoNotChooseBlank
@DoNotChooseBlank 5 месяцев назад
@@LanguageSimp the first time I have seen a comment favorite his own comment
@PolyglotMouse
@PolyglotMouse 5 месяцев назад
Did somebody call my name? Now I have to make a "Why I Love Linguistics"
@KritarthaSharma
@KritarthaSharma 5 месяцев назад
W
@LanguageSimp
@LanguageSimp 5 месяцев назад
I have seen your videos. I'll wait for the rebuttal
@Zakariya08765
@Zakariya08765 5 месяцев назад
@polyglotmouse u got a sub for that
@_WhyIsEveryHandleTaken.
@_WhyIsEveryHandleTaken. 5 месяцев назад
12 mins ago lolz
@TheLinguisticsLion
@TheLinguisticsLion 5 месяцев назад
Linguistics is kinda epic
@veronicahsidwell
@veronicahsidwell 5 месяцев назад
Okay but I refuse to believe that your name is Earl
@Orange-ti4bh
@Orange-ti4bh 4 месяца назад
His name has isn’t earl, it’s actually language simp.
@vanek_9397
@vanek_9397 5 месяцев назад
Linguistics and actual language learning are often just two different things. Both may be fun but shouldn't get mixed up IMAO
@michaeljakubek
@michaeljakubek 3 месяца назад
What do you mean by “often”? They are ALWAYS a different thing. It’s like saying material chemistry and making asphalt roads is OFTEN different.
@howifitwouldbeantani
@howifitwouldbeantani 5 месяцев назад
Linguistics is not something that someone says you must study to learn a language. Who studies linguistics sometimes know just one or two languages, it is not connected with language learning. Obviusly if you know linguistics you could have less problems while learning a language and viceversa, but nobody wants you to learn "linguistics" in order to learn a language.
@matthewheald8964
@matthewheald8964 5 месяцев назад
I can’t give up the IPA 😭😭😭 It’s too precious. My precious. Ash schwa durbatulûk, ash schwa gimbatul, ash schwa thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.
@WhizzKid2012
@WhizzKid2012 5 месяцев назад
What's that gibberish?
@matthewheald8964
@matthewheald8964 5 месяцев назад
@@WhizzKid2012 it’s from LOTR; the original quote is “ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul”. Look it up.
@WhizzKid2012
@WhizzKid2012 5 месяцев назад
@@matthewheald8964 is that lord of the rings?
@matthewheald8964
@matthewheald8964 5 месяцев назад
@@WhizzKid2012 yes
@incognito6751
@incognito6751 5 месяцев назад
"One schwa to rule them all, one schwa to find them. One schwa to bring them all and in the darkness bind them" 🔥✍️
@henleeh2987
@henleeh2987 5 месяцев назад
So I agree that Linguistics is not for everyone. But it took me 3 hours one night to learn the whole IPA, and now approaching new languages comes easy for me, since I can just quickly learn the sounds and be on my way. It’s supposed to be a resource not a hindrance. But not all resources will help everyone.
@jasminekaram880
@jasminekaram880 3 месяца назад
Including all the extra and rare symbols?
@DDRFaQ
@DDRFaQ Месяц назад
And the descriptions of the consonants literally tell you how to produce them, which is something you can’t always understand by ear.
@mariobot128
@mariobot128 5 месяцев назад
6:10 "Wesh la street monsieur bonsoir" as a frenchman this is incredibly funny xD
@botisobshagy3573
@botisobshagy3573 5 месяцев назад
As a communist I am deeply offended when you said that linguists are communists
@arygrimreaper7110
@arygrimreaper7110 5 месяцев назад
Wait a minute, what happened to your legal birth name Language Simp? Replaced with EARL? Reference 0:08
@ChildSarcophagus
@ChildSarcophagus 3 месяца назад
As a linguist, it's your civic duty to hate this video.
@vishwarao6064
@vishwarao6064 2 месяца назад
your?
@Josh-ht7ci
@Josh-ht7ci 5 месяцев назад
As a fellow linguistics student I have to say I am very much dissapointet in you Mr. L. Simp. Linguistics is about being descriptive and not prescriptive so if you encounter someone who corrects you while learning a language that person is not welcomed in the secret organization of Linguistic S-Tier Males. And sorry to say but I love learning a language in itself and all about it AT THE SAME TIME that's how Alpha we are. I guess there's a reason your name contains an L 😔
@abrvalg321
@abrvalg321 5 месяцев назад
You are pronouncing "нет" like "ньет". Stop it.
@TheEnderCycloneEnd
@TheEnderCycloneEnd 4 месяца назад
ньет
@СемёнЗаболотский-ц8г
@СемёнЗаболотский-ц8г 4 месяца назад
Ньет
@kruassamka
@kruassamka 4 месяца назад
nya
@genekisayan6564
@genekisayan6564 4 месяца назад
Более как неът которым евляеться ещё хуже 😢
@-mr.koekto
@-mr.koekto 4 месяца назад
Ньет, Молотов! Ньет, Молотов! А вообще нужно понимать, что он и так инвалид из-за русской фонетики, пора оставить его в покое.
@no_
@no_ 5 месяцев назад
It's the opposite for me, linguistics is what got me interested in learning languages and it makes learning easier and more interesting for me. But yeah anyone who trys to claim that phonetics are important to learning languages is absolutely fucking with you
@yipperson2974
@yipperson2974 5 месяцев назад
here here
@Kitsu_Worm
@Kitsu_Worm 5 месяцев назад
It is, at least in target language. if it not for IPA I wouldn't pronouced 'th' precisely.
@no_
@no_ 5 месяцев назад
@@Kitsu_Worm that's the thing, the IPA is very helpful to learning pronunciation and I'm glad it helped you, but that's all it is, a helpful tool, other than that it's completely optional and if it makes learning feel more intimidating to beginners then they shouldn't feel pressured to learn it.
@Kitsu_Worm
@Kitsu_Worm 5 месяцев назад
@@no_ yea, if you're not learning linguistics or making conlang. just skip to important part honestly.
@Bessux
@Bessux 4 месяца назад
@@no_ If someone is "intimidated" by the IPA, then they weren't serious about wanting to learn anything in the first place. The only thing you need to study are the sounds relevant to your target language, which is usually a third of the IPA. That's like being intimidated of learning a new alphabet. How is learning the IPA any different than an English speaker learning cyrillic?
@popkinbobkin
@popkinbobkin 5 месяцев назад
"dive into the language!" - *proceeds to show a wiki page on George Bush in Russian* ah, a true language conossuer
@Goebschae
@Goebschae 5 месяцев назад
i really like the IPA. i wouldn't bother studying it but i like it to look up proper pronounciation occasionally. sure, a language is not exactly defined by its pronounciation but people will get different ideas about you depending on your pronounciation and i enjoy switching between fluent native and foreigner with accent at will
@dumbalek6001
@dumbalek6001 5 месяцев назад
"I hate natural sciences, it didn't help me at my holiday trip in Thailand at all"
@marcusaurelius4941
@marcusaurelius4941 5 месяцев назад
5:23 historically inaccurate representation of an IPA nerd, a true IPA nerd would know not to aspirate his k there!
@hubb8049
@hubb8049 5 месяцев назад
Sure, but the IPA helped me in finally pronouncing ع correctly, as well as ص ض ط ظ
@DungeonNumber5
@DungeonNumber5 5 месяцев назад
My little child just said "uyi" for the first time блять.
@Trilingual-yw9br
@Trilingual-yw9br 5 месяцев назад
We need to see Language Simp learning Assembly and speaking it to us 🗣️
@lexiisbritish9894
@lexiisbritish9894 5 месяцев назад
Why is no one talking about how he kept saying earl and not language simp 😭
@MysticEagle52
@MysticEagle52 5 месяцев назад
ikr
@arstonalis
@arstonalis Месяц назад
As a teacher of German as a foreign language, I have observed the following over the years: Not a single student has managed to use the cases correctly without knowing the grammar. Now, if that matters depends on what you want to use German for. If you just intend to spend some vacation time in Germany and you want to communicate with people, nobody will look bad at you for not using the cases correctly. But if you have been living in Germany for a number of years or you are interacting with German speakers on a professional level regularly, it's different. If you're a nice person, people will still like you, but it tells something about you if you don't bother mastering something as essential as the cases after years of speaking the language. That kind of people usually don't notice their errors and they don't bother, but others do. Pronunciation is a different topic: In general, there are very few people who can pronounce a foreign language without at least a slight accent. This will only be depressing for yourself if you want to pass as a native speaker and realize that it's not possible.
@Aspectclic
@Aspectclic 2 месяца назад
We want more vr chat videos
@killirito
@killirito 5 месяцев назад
I like learning linguistics things, especially when it tells me about the history of my language and how languages develop and differentiate between themselves. Learning that William is the same name as Guilherme, João is Ruan, and that kind of thing is really cool for me. Realizing the influence of other languages on my mother language (Portuguese), knowing that "Dona", to refer to a woman because it came from Italian, or that "garçom" is a term that came from the French, but that remained only in the context of a restaurant to refer to the boy who works serving customers and that instead of using "fille", which is the equivalent term for a girl that serves customers in a restaurant, we use the French feminine declension in the context of restaurants in Brazil in the term "garçom", so, instead of "fille" to refer for this waiter, we use "garçonette". I really like learning these things, I understand better my country, my culture and that stuff
@edvardeishen
@edvardeishen 2 месяца назад
Two months without videos! I think channel author is dead
@Kubarka
@Kubarka 5 месяцев назад
As a linguist major and a nerd, I agree and disagree at the same time. Learning linguistics to learn language is like learning physics to play basketball. If you want to have fun and prank La gente in the Taco Bell - you don’t need it. If you want to teach someone a language on a professional level and become Nerd the Final boss - then it’s for you.
@cubing7276
@cubing7276 5 месяцев назад
learning linguistics*
@rare_hilf
@rare_hilf 5 месяцев назад
🤓​ @cubing7276 🤓 bro 🤓 you're 🤓 nerd 🤓
@yt_n-c0de-r
@yt_n-c0de-r 5 месяцев назад
Great analogy 🥰👍
@Kubarka
@Kubarka 5 месяцев назад
@@cubing7276thank you, fixed it
@weirdlanguageguy
@weirdlanguageguy 5 месяцев назад
Fellow linguistics major here! Completely agree
@coolconner1029
@coolconner1029 5 месяцев назад
Speaking of phonology did you know albanian has the american r, th, and the silent e? Oh and their muslim but that has nothing to do with phonology
@Cortov
@Cortov 5 месяцев назад
As a SL English speaker, IPA helped me a lot after I could understand most conversational material with ease, because it made it easier to distinguish sounds absent in my native language, as well as having confirmation that phones that sounded identical to those in my native language were indeed the same. But when starting to learn French, being too neurotic about pronunciation has slowed me down and hampered my motivation. My advice would be to study some linguistic concepts by the measure of your own curiosity only after you feel comfortable with the language. Even more so if you're already acquainted with linguistic jargon, it'll be a lot easier after you've built an intuition for how the language behaves. Beyond language learning, linguistics is just a ton of fun too.
@robertjenkins6132
@robertjenkins6132 5 месяцев назад
Yes, English is my first language, but I can't imagine how hard it would be to learn English as a second language without IPA, because: (1) English has so many freaking vowels (I didn't even realize how many until I learned the IPA symbols); and (2) English spelling is chaos, so you need IPA for your pronunciation dictionary. I mean, I could see myself learning a language like Japanese (with a relatively small sound inventory + easy spelling) without needing to use IPA that much (if I didn't want to), but it seems to me like it would be very useful for a language like English.
@arthurgabriel2625
@arthurgabriel2625 5 месяцев назад
​@@robertjenkins6132And english has a lot of pseudo homophones. For example, eyes and ice are not pronounced the same, but for someone that's not experienced with english's phonetics both will sound the same, even though they really aren't.
@derpauleglot9772
@derpauleglot9772 5 месяцев назад
@@robertjenkins6132 English and Japanese are somewhat extreme examples, actually^^ Someone tried to estimate the number of distinct syllables in the 20k most common words. I'll include German, French and Spanish as a reference: Japanese: 643 (lowest among the languages they examined) Spanish: 2778 French: 2949 German: 5100 English: 6949 (highest) Getting good at English pronunciation must be quite a challenge for a native speaker of Japanese. Different writing system with chaotic spelling, tons of new sounds and syllables. I mean, I found it difficult and my native language is German^^
@zeitxgeist
@zeitxgeist 5 месяцев назад
@@derpauleglot9772 even our language wants foreigner to stay out. lol.
@Jumptohistory
@Jumptohistory 5 месяцев назад
I'm an English learner and have been kind of familiar with the IPA and often find it useful but also find the phonetic spelling thingy, which is supposed to be a phonetically accurate way of spelling words, that Google has introduced these days useful. You can see them if you google like "'[word] pronunciation" although it doesn't work for some words for some reason. Sometimes I question the way Google interprets the pronunciation, for example, the short 'i' sound is sometimes spelled with 'uh' like the way they spell the schwa sound. But what was an eye-opener for me is the fact that they spell words like "miracle" differently for American English and British English. In fact, they spell it "mi-ruh-kl" for British English and "mee-ruh-kl" for American English. It's spelled /ˈmɪr.ə.kəl/ in the phonetic alphabet used by Cambridge Dictionary for both British and American English but if I pay enough attention while listening, I can hear the difference so... yeah. Apology for the wall of text.
@fsponj
@fsponj 2 месяца назад
Bro disappeared 💀
@mustard_moth
@mustard_moth 5 месяцев назад
Not defending clowns who bring up IPA when a foreign person mispronounces certain word or sound incorrectly, but shitting on an entire branch of science seems like too much. I am not a linguist so take it with a grain of salt. IPA is supposed to work in the opposite order than what Language Simp has described, meaning that IPA just tries to denote a specific symbolic unit for each sound that humans produce in a speech to compose a word. There are many languages that died out and have only a written evidence of existance, yet did not leave any hints on how they sounded. So IPA kinda tries to prevent that with the current languages that exist today. It's really hard to put a natural sound to a text form, and many languages have a lot of sounds that may have some similarities with other languages, but most of them are completely diffferent and putting it into a text form is hard. So linguists have no other choice but to use weird characters to symbolize a sound unit, create vowel charts to picture how they sound and so on and so on.. But aside from that, completely agree with Language Simp that main thing while learning a language is having fun and writing dum-ass comments on youtube in a language that is completely different from your native one and trying your best not to sound like a complete dumass because of countless mistakes that you have probably made
@kirikourobloxgaming8841
@kirikourobloxgaming8841 4 месяца назад
“I don’t know what is morphology and semantics” *gets an ad*
@victoryvictorious633
@victoryvictorious633 2 месяца назад
I agree. learning grammar kills all joy. A tongue chart may be useful as a reference the first time you say the word, afterwards it would just slow you down. Do wht you like in the language. I personally only read in my target language. Talking to people is unappealing to me.
@Zakariya08765
@Zakariya08765 5 месяцев назад
I may be linguist but never an esperantist that’s too far
@tonylovesmusic6806
@tonylovesmusic6806 5 месяцев назад
*i am triggered* PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD *DON'T USE DUOLINGO!* IT WILL HUNT YOU DOWN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT BECAUSE YOU FORGOT YOUR 日本語 LESSON... except when you use it to practice... it's fine...
@DoughBrain
@DoughBrain 5 месяцев назад
I’ve always run into the opposite problem where I only ever run into people who want to rehearse dialogue. It’s kinda lonely. I wanna learn a language and talk about phonetics. 😢
@Ro99
@Ro99 5 месяцев назад
Honestly I disagree with this video for two reasons: I’m a massive pretentious wanker but more importantly I always want (need?) to understand WHY something is to actually get my head around a concept. It’s just how I work and it makes me feel much more confident manipulating things than what feels like trying to use a massive list of memorised phrases (I know that’s not really what you’re doing but it feels like that to me). Your point is completely valid and considering you are far better at speaking and learning languages than me you’re probably more correct but that’s just how I work. I also like technical things and science so maybe that helps.
@smittoria
@smittoria 5 месяцев назад
If you were serious about language learning you'd know IPA well by heart so you could learn a new language's phonology way faster
@Nikola_M
@Nikola_M 5 месяцев назад
ы
@irp3ex
@irp3ex 5 месяцев назад
@@Nikola_M i cant tell if you sent ы as an example of what the comment is talking about or as a way to say "lol" (which is a pretty common use of it, at least in my friend group)
@Nikola_M
@Nikola_M 5 месяцев назад
@@irp3ex as an example
@olgarudn9753
@olgarudn9753 5 месяцев назад
О, мне нравится лингвистика, я даже и не знала про IPA, теперь ознакомлюсь!
@brancozfj
@brancozfj 5 месяцев назад
So cool that you have a shirt written "My Chemical BROmance!" Who is the lucky man?
@TheEpikalREKT
@TheEpikalREKT 2 месяца назад
When new vid
@zelduga
@zelduga 5 месяцев назад
aɪ ˈfʌkɪŋ heɪt lɪŋˈɡwɪstɪks
@Mintybutter
@Mintybutter 5 месяцев назад
who speaks more than 3 languages 👇
@Austin-ih7ju
@Austin-ih7ju 5 месяцев назад
Me 4
@brunoboy1143
@brunoboy1143 5 месяцев назад
depending on what you consider speaking I would say me 4
@luxraider5384
@luxraider5384 5 месяцев назад
here
@Armistice023
@Armistice023 5 месяцев назад
Native English, A1 Spanish, low A1 German (have forgotten a lot), and learning Hungarian. Gave up on Korean after a few months
@rereremasutaa
@rereremasutaa 5 месяцев назад
only 4:(
@gringoenespanol
@gringoenespanol 5 месяцев назад
I think you meant "Why I hate *studying* linguistics". If you hated linguistics as a whole then you would also hate acquiring new languages, since language acquisition falls under the category of linguistics.
@classick_
@classick_ 5 месяцев назад
I also hate that ginger dude from Ratatouille
@Epicsun8312_
@Epicsun8312_ 5 месяцев назад
Please learn Farsi🇮🇷
@MatthewThestranger-og9zr
@MatthewThestranger-og9zr 5 месяцев назад
Yeah or Pashto it’s just a more beautiful version of farsi
@Merikat07
@Merikat07 5 месяцев назад
It’s so interesting because language is so many hobbies at once. I love linguistics because it gives me insight into how the human brain organizes its thoughts and presents them to other humans. I have a rough idea of why Basque grammar is so different to grammar in other language families and I love that and think it’s so cool to learn about, but I don’t know a single Basque word. I love learning dead languages and about how languages evolved and continue to evolve because it gives me perspective on people who have lived in so many time periods whose lives were just as real and interesting as my own. I have it on my bucked list to try to learn as much Sumerian as a person could learn from what we have because it’s from a people who were completely unique who have no living relatives and yet we can still know about their real human experience. The past and the way things work can be just as interesting for some people as actually speaking to other humans is to others.
@Merikat07
@Merikat07 5 месяцев назад
For what it’s worth I do try to learn living languages. I can hold a conversation in Spanish and speak a little Norwegian. And want to learn more. But to me learning the language will always be a necessary chore that I do because I enjoy linguistics.
@Nikola_M
@Nikola_M 5 месяцев назад
You're just mad you can't pronounce ы correctly
@uselessvad2444
@uselessvad2444 5 месяцев назад
I just had an amazing time explaining to a streamer on twitch what the Russian word 'Внимание' means. She was playing an old video game where every NPC speaks Russian and she was wondering what it meant, so I saved the day. You're welcome, Kate, it was fun chatting with you in my broken English
@rare_hilf
@rare_hilf 5 месяцев назад
But what does it have to do with linguistics? I really didn't get that one
@МусаАлиев-б4с
@МусаАлиев-б4с 5 месяцев назад
​@@rare_hilfsemantics is an area of linguistics concerned with the meanings of words. The russian word "Vnimaniye" will usually be translated as "Attention" but has a different meaning than the English analog. The differences in meanings between words are studied by semantics
@NK6only
@NK6only 5 месяцев назад
​@@МусаАлиев-б4сдля того, чтобы этот пример имел хоть какой-то смысл, слову нужен контекст
@nicopittaro_0795
@nicopittaro_0795 2 месяца назад
Hey bro! I've been trying to learn English for a while but I can't, I feel stuck, could you do a video explaining how to learn a language from 0. Plssss, have a nice day, good video.
@ICHANGEDMYUSERNAMEBECAU717
@ICHANGEDMYUSERNAMEBECAU717 5 месяцев назад
The sim accent at 5:14 killed me 💀
@perf2.078
@perf2.078 3 месяца назад
I am a linguist, and I love intimidate people with my linguistic knowledge!.. :) When I was a kid my parents (unfortunately) bought me several books about languages, and since then.... I went to the DARK side of the language universe! Being born in the shithole of the Universe, I went to the Moscow university and studied MOAR of the linguistics... when people don't recognise a partitive genitive case from the ordinary genitive in Russian or Latin, I whip them with my imaginary linguistic lash and make them cry for not knowing the correct male form of the demonstrative pronoun in Old English as the Bedda the Venerable used to use... Hail Ferdinand de Saussure and his prophet Jakobson!!!
@dumbalek6001
@dumbalek6001 5 месяцев назад
😡 roasting the opinion and roasting your hat!!!!
@dumbalek6001
@dumbalek6001 5 месяцев назад
Learning about a language is way more fun than learning the language
@dumbalek6001
@dumbalek6001 5 месяцев назад
Hate learning grammar though give me phonology and sociolinguistics 🥰🥰🥰🥰
@dumbalek6001
@dumbalek6001 5 месяцев назад
5:13 this is what I did for about two days before my phonology exam and I feel so attacked 😔
@leugleg
@leugleg 5 месяцев назад
​@@dumbalek6001Are you a teen?
@dumbalek6001
@dumbalek6001 5 месяцев назад
​​@@leugleg I'm a little baby I just climbed out of my father's womb.
@Mhurren_DND
@Mhurren_DND Месяц назад
I've been a linguist obsessed with the ipa since i was 9 😂😂😂 Fun fact, the only difference between the voiced bilabiall fricative and v isthat you vibrate your lips Im also a conglanger
@catsuop.
@catsuop. 5 месяцев назад
I feel called out
@Miting6
@Miting6 5 месяцев назад
I'm Russian linguist and I hate communism. My field of the linguistic is Toponyms! It's pretty flexible. Here's an example: A town name is Beryozovsk, that comes from "Beryoza" = "Birch" and suffix "-sk" what is used for place names in Russian language. Something similar could be like Oakham in the UK. "Oak" + "ham"/"gham"
@DostoenVnimaniay
@DostoenVnimaniay 5 месяцев назад
9:01 Noam Chomsky would have approved of it.
@Otnaifla
@Otnaifla 3 месяца назад
I learn language by making mind map. I connect language with donut of knowledge and donut of life. I categorize every vocabulary, grammar, and daily expression And I do practice a lot of listening, speaking, reading, and writing, visualizing, gesturing, and thinking in that language.
@teflonowo
@teflonowo 5 месяцев назад
Learning a new language like a: Native speaker: 😃 Linguist: 💀
@erikardy
@erikardy Месяц назад
Duh, Literature is definitely more dog water than Linguistic. I like linguistic because it helps me making my conlang, and helps me to learn some languages that have the same linguistic features
@polymloth
@polymloth 5 месяцев назад
I disagree with pretty much everything. Learning phonetics has helped me distinguish all the different sounds in the languages I’m learning, and so, has improved my listening comprehension immensely. This in turn has boosted my language acquisition significantly. Knowing that tones are not pitches but specific throat movements and positions has made tonal languages appear no more difficult than non-tonal ones. I’m not listening for pitch, I’m listening for sound quality. Learning about sound shifts has pretty much supercharged my vocabulary acquisition in Chinese, Japanese, and Korean-and even in Thai! I can quite accurately guess the On-readings and Sino-Korean counterparts for any given word in Chinese, but also do the reverse, allowing me to learn new words without having to look them up. I also get a much more extensive web of connections for each word from the get-go. Would you have known that เงิน [ŋɤn] (Romanised: ngən) and 銀 [yín] share the same root? To me it was immediately obvious. And I find that so amazing! And if Asian languages aren’t your jam, consider the usefulness of being able to recognise Latin roots in any given Romance language and the sound shift differences between them, essentially allowing you to acquire multiple languages simultaneously without much extra effort. But to get back to the Asian languages, learning about the composition and development of Chinese characters has helped me learn them much more effectively and efficiently. Knowing which forms might’ve fused together or transformed in certain ways allows me to recognise the components much faster and learn the histories of the characters just by looking at them, integrating newly learned characters firmly into my memory. Understanding the basics of Brahmic scripts and how the characters map so beautiful onto a phonetic grid can also help you learn any such script, including Thai, Khmer, Burmese, Devanagari, and Tamil, and even see the connections to the Korean 한글 (Romanised: Hangul). And I definitely take offence to both “useless” and “communist”. (Also, I’m not defending linguistics as a linguist myself but purely as a hobbyist language learner.)
@ikbintom
@ikbintom 5 месяцев назад
As someone with a Master's degree in Linguistics (with Honors), I'd say you're spot on. I only speak 6 languages and about all the others, I only know tons of "fun facts" that nobody actually wants to hear. It sucks. Only point of criticism on your video is that the step after communism in the linguistics pipeline is actually getting a job and paying to follow a language course to finally learn Spanish (a real language). By the way - most linguists are not into phonetics. That's because phonetics really isn't much more than the first impression you get when you hear a language but don't understand anything yet. Enthusiast amateur nerds and undergraduate linguistics students tend to hyperfixate on this superficial part of language, because they're they're irrationally insecure about their pronunciation and also often either just too lazy, too unmotivated or too dumb to do the in-depth real hard work of actually learning the language. (jk nobody is too dumb; languages are so easy that even babies can learn them) Sorry for my bad English, it's my third language
@benjitimez9059
@benjitimez9059 3 месяца назад
People should not make assumptions about ethnicity and racial groups For example marginalised groups here are a list of some South Italy people and Arabs, Indian subcontinent , Iranian, Armenian,Romani, IndigenousAmericans, Indigenous Australian,African aswell people related are disllicked by far right people in Australia and USA . A example of stereotypes are turk arab and south Italian have thick facial hair but saying that is illogical because many Southern Italy Turk and Arab men them have thin facial hair
@Yvelluap
@Yvelluap 5 месяцев назад
2:59 as somebody who has memorized the ipa because i have no friends this gave me at least 3.5 cardiovascular diseases, thanks
@ruedigernassauer
@ruedigernassauer 5 месяцев назад
Someone who boasts speaking fifty languages fluently in reality only speaks English. This person posts "Why I hate linguistics" and "Why I love linguistics" on the same day. Another video of his is called "How to Learn Russian in 5 Minutes". BS
@laskdjf3880
@laskdjf3880 5 месяцев назад
tbf learning the basics of ipa and using anki to memorise the most important parts takes at most a day. From there you can apply it to every language. You just type in the word you want to know the transcription for into wiktionary and it likely gives you it back. You then read it aloud and you get a pretty decent approximation👍
@matt92hun
@matt92hun 5 месяцев назад
That's why you spend 10 hours pronouncing a the same sound over and over again and still aren't fluent in Danish, while I look up the new sounds, then learn the rest of the languages. Don't get me wrong, your method works well for big and diverse languages where people are familiar with all kinds of different accents and dialects like English, and it also works with languages with simple phonologies, like Russian, especially if you don't *need* a language, just *want* it. If you want to work in, say, England as a, say, Russian and every time you pronounce a P, T, or K, it sounds neither clearly like a P, T, or K, nor clearly like a B, D, or G, and every time you say I or E after T, D, or N, it sounds off, you might be understood 95% of the time, but people will still treat you like an outsider. Now if you want to learn Danish, or Swedish and live in Denmark, or Sweden and you speak something like Arabic, the education system isn't prepared for you, people only know how Danish/Swedish is spoken in the TV and in their family and work place, they have neither the patience, nor the knowledge to teach you how to say things correctly, they'll just start speaking English to you and you'll never learn your target language. I live in Denmark as a Hungarian native speaker and I could understand everything, but still nobody answered me in Danish when I tried to speak Danish to them, until I read a book about danish phonetics, where I learned that I didn't make the same contrasts in a whole lot of words that Danish people expect and even just by learning about aspiration and affrication and pronouncing words with that in mind, a lot fewer people switched to English on hearing my pronunciation. It's still not perfect, but now at most people ask if I'm Swedish, or Norwegian, not give up and switch to English.
@trevor5666
@trevor5666 5 месяцев назад
I find IPA so useful. The confidence I had in my French pronunciation before really delving deep into grammar and vocabulary building really made me more confident when I finally got to the speaking part. And that shouldn’t be underestimated. Same with Spanish. People think Spanish is totally phonetic. But there are a lot of consonant sounds that make distinctly different sounds depending on the context, and without ipa, zeroing in on which adjustments to make in my pronunciation would have been more tedious. Finally, some languages are more phonetically complex. And forgoing ipa and phonetics study could genuinely hamper your intelligibility to native speakers. There are many ways to do this in French. And a magnitude more in Chinese. One should not be speaking a tonal language without a little bit of IPA.
@kojayeoja
@kojayeoja 5 месяцев назад
lmaooo. I've been exposed. I love linguistics, and learning about it in and of itself is fascinating to me (I got a Bachelor's in it). Does everyone who wants to learn a language or two need to get their PhD in Linguistics? No. But I do think there can be some really helpful information in it, if that's how you want to learn. Everyone has their own way of learning that's most fun and beneficial for them. You don't need to write a thesis on the phonology of the language you're learning, but you also don't have to think that all linguistic knowledge is pointless garbage that you shouldn't waste your time on. For me personally, knowing about the anatomy of the vocal tract and learning IPA is extremely helpful for pronunciation; just learning where and how the tongue makes contact to produce a certain sound can help you a lot faster than just copying a native speaker and hoping you're getting it right. Is it okay to not "get it right"? Of course! And you'll probably still not get it right immediately even if you know the IPA! There's absolutely nothing wrong with having a foreign accent (p.s. everyone has an accent, including native speakers) and making grammatical mistakes. No one would, or should, expect linguistic perfection from a new language learner. But for some people, myself included, learning the WHY and the HOW of something really helps me understand it more clearly - and also, I enjoy knowing those things! I love a language I'm learning even more by understanding why it is the way it is. But I'm a nerd so that's how I roll. You can learn the IPA and also get out there and talk to native speakers, they're not mutually exclusive. It's fine to use any or all of the tools that are available. You can get around a new city without a map if that's what you want to do. But you can also have a map to refer to when you get lost, and it might help you find what you're looking for faster. Yes, by listening a lot and practicing you can eventually "absorb" the language pretty well - listening and speaking are (the most) crucial parts of language learning, no one's arguing that. People like to bring up how babies learn languages perfectly by just listening. But guess what, we're not babies. Our brains aren't spongey enough anymore to become perfect just by listening. But you know what adults can do that babies can't? Read and write -- use knowledge, science, metacognition. Linguistics wouldn't exist as a science if human language wasn't a system of patterns that can be understood and explained through observation and research. You can do your own science as you learn a new language, and you can also use the science that hundreds of scientists over hundreds of years have discovered. It's up to you. There's no black and white, right or wrong way to learn a language. You don't have to sit in a corner of your room and agonize over your articulation, but you also don't have to only speak to native speakers and never look at a book again. It depends on your goals, your interests, and how you prefer to learn. At the end of the day, linguistics as a science doesn't exist solely to help people learn languages. But, understanding many of the concepts can help a lot, because linguistics is...the study of how human language works, lol. Second language acquisition is a huge area of study in linguistics. You can't become certified to teach a language without at least knowing some basics of linguistics, so it's not a crazy idea that learning some linguistic concepts would help you understand how to use a language. Going too hard on academic learning and science could scare some learners away, but I wouldn't want to scare language learners away from learning about linguistics either, because they might really enjoy it and it might help them. Simp thinks the IPA is dogwater, but I think it's the holy grail, so just...don't take anyone's opinion as fact, and make up your own mind and decide what helps you learn best.
@MrCaiomedeiros
@MrCaiomedeiros 4 месяца назад
I told myself I wouldn't get into yt debates again, but this deserves some comment. you're getting two things confused here. most linguists aren't polyglots and many don't even speak a second language. linguistics does not serve the purpose of helping you learn another language. in fact, a large part of linguistic analysis, which is focused on the inner workings of language in the broader sense, can be done in one's own language. so hating this immense field of knowledge because some people use it to learn languages doesn't make any sense. but sure, the fact that you say in the video that IPA is "this dumb phonetic system" and that "some cool stuff has come out" of linguistic research show that you ignore what linguistics is. what further shows that is that you were unable to criticize any of the areas of linguistics beside phonetics -- phonology, morphology, syntax, formal semantics, lexical semantics, pragmatics, discourse analysis, historical linguistics, psycholinguistics, neurolinguistics, etc. and regarding phonetics, the IPA was designed to allow for rigorous scientific descriptions of sound in the analysis of language, something that helps a lot in research. the IPA has nothing to do with learning a language, so calling it a "dumb phonetic system" is laughable. but besides all that, the funny thing is that the IPA does help a lot (obviously) in understanding pronunciation, and linguistics in general provides fantastic tools for language-learning, especially when it comes to morphosyntax. lastly, I would say that whenever you try to learn a language, you might not know it, but you are probably utilizing resources from linguistics, such as particular understandings of grammar, and you are 100% engaging in linguistic activity -- all of which just shows how much you ignore the scope of linguistics.
@TheWorldIsDumb
@TheWorldIsDumb 5 месяцев назад
His roasts sounded like he is Lowkey asking us the be linguists.
@PratoAgressivo
@PratoAgressivo 2 месяца назад
7:07 and I still don't know how to say 'why' in my language but I know how to say 'why' in English and German
@hamartia44
@hamartia44 2 месяца назад
whats your language?
@PratoAgressivo
@PratoAgressivo 2 месяца назад
@@hamartia44 Portuguese
@spaghettiking653
@spaghettiking653 5 месяцев назад
True that learning linguistics is a distraction from actually learning a language, but it does actually help tbh.
@Idkpleasejustletmechangeit
@Idkpleasejustletmechangeit 5 месяцев назад
You're wrong. Linguistics is absolutely cool. But you're just an alpha giga chad hyperpolyglot. You have nothing against me, a based þeta language learning linguistics lover. Yes, love as in romance.
@wallysonguimaraes3483
@wallysonguimaraes3483 5 месяцев назад
Phonetics ❤IPA ❤
@joshuacho6903
@joshuacho6903 4 месяца назад
I love IPA. It helped me a lot to fine-tune my pronunciation, but it never helped me to get better at the language itself. I like learning new pronunciations no matter the language and that is why I enjoyed learning the symbols and what they meant. If you’re interested in learning the language, I think learning IPA is unnecessary. I learned the IPA only because I was interested in the IPA and the pronunciation itself not because I wanted to learn the language.
@FitnessFungus
@FitnessFungus 5 месяцев назад
ok
@otbwwilliams
@otbwwilliams 5 месяцев назад
You're the first comment
@FitnessFungus
@FitnessFungus 5 месяцев назад
@@otbwwilliamsoh i did not believe that at first lmao
@Xoiland
@Xoiland 5 месяцев назад
IPA is fun for consonants but grammar is useless on its own. Don’t be worried about being pretentious with linguistics …you already speak French
@doomood
@doomood 5 месяцев назад
I love learning languages and also linguistics, but I don't use linguistics to learn the language lol
@patfine3878
@patfine3878 5 месяцев назад
Well... I love linguistics and I hate with a burning passion learning languages...
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