WHY I LOVE BATMAN V SUPERMAN or: How I Learned To Stop Hating And Love Zack Snyder (ft. HiTop Films) 

That's so true and I couldn't relate more

I hope "Men are still good" becomes a meme format.

Alicia Ross follow Batman and let it inspire to make it a meme

Went In listening to the hipo critics trash it . I was like oh no this is going to suck . Towards the end of the film could not believe this was the same film they trashed . Thought it was freaking fantastic . People forget about a year before this movie came out Disney was trying to buy DC comics .

"we fight...we kill, we betray one another"

That's another way of saying he's ahead of time.

Zack Snyder's films are streets ahead

yea... just like Watchmen

Even Chris Nolan says that his movies are ahead of its time.

Christopher Nolan said the same thing.

Yeah still not a Great execution, Mom would have been more impactful of a Line TBH

@@forickgrimaldus8301 what? If you were pinning someone down and you’re about to kill him, and you’re blinded by rage and pure hate, and that dude then says “save my mom” would you stop? You don’t give a fuck about him or his family, it’s because Batman heard the name Martha, PTSD came into play and made him think for a second, he starts to realize that he hit absolute rock bottom, he then makes a promise to Superman that Martha will not die tonight, and even in the end of the movie he says that Superman was more of a human than he (Batman) ever was, and that he failed him in life, and won’t fail him in death. ps: sorry if my English is a bit weird, I’m not a native speaker, and I haven’t slept in 30+ hours

@@ElieBoutros1 Also I'd like to add Batman's mother's name is also Martha, if you rewatche the scen when Clark said "save Martha" he had flashback to his own mother *Martha* who got shot.

@@mijaroprime9509 yeah exactly, forgot to mention that, hearing his mother’s name when he was about to kill Superman gave him some sort of PTSD, and kinda made him snap out of that kill mentality and reminded him why he’s Batman in the first place

Not only that but it’s not hard to see how Bruce would be affected by that name when his whole life was changed after that night and the whole point of him being Batman is solely from that night

Great line in a comic book, Batman thinking about Joker “how many more people will I kill, by letting you live?”

Yeah, Batman's no-kill rule is something he struggles with, especially when it comes to the Joker. By refusing to kill the Joker, he's putting a lot of people at risk, and he knows it.

This to me was obvious watching the film. Don’t know how folks didn’t see it

"I'm the world's greatest detective. I'll find out who hired you. And I will break them too. You can get your own damn help." - Batman to KGBeast -

Yeah I agree with your thinking. I don't believe Snyder's Batman was always a killer. In fact in the ultimate edition there are several moments that allude to the fact that Batman has become much more brutal and vicious only recently - since the Battle of Metropolis between Zod and Superman. Alfred and Bruce have a conversation where Alfred says that Bruce has never branded criminals before ( referencing the Bat symbol brand he uses in the movie against criminals), and that his methods have become so much more brutal. He is basically reprimanding Bruce for going down a darker path. The scene where Clark first learns about the Batman is when he hears about Batman's escapades from a news broadcast on the Daily Planet tv. If you listen to the news reporter in the broadcast, she explains that reports indicate Batman has been getting more violent lately. Then when Clark is in Gotham at a slum trying to find information about Batman, an old guy with a sratch ticket tells Clark that Batman has become more brutal and angrier in recent months and to beware. I think the events of metropolis, and the revelation that there are superpowered beings capable of mass genocide, and the fact that he honestly has no way to stop it (being completely powerless against a superman-level threat until he learns about Kryptonite) traumatised and demoralizes Bruce. This leads him to a dark place with a sense of powerlessness and hopelessness that he takes out on criminals, reflecting his more brutal approach (Alfred actually alludes to Bruce's sense of powerlessness at one point). Also we don't actually see him kill anyone until the car chase scene where he is trying to get the kryptonite from the transport truck. Every criminal he interacts with before this he spares (simply branding them). I think at the time of the car chase Bruce is in a "few deaths are necessary to save the many" type mentality. The kryptonite and the chance it has to defeat Superman and prevent potential planet-wide genocide is just too important for Bruce to let get away, so he breaks his kill rule in-order to stop the mercenaries and procure the kryptonite. The few deaths (the mercenaries) are necessary to save the many (the entire population of earth), and is therefore deemed acceptable enough to break the no-kill rule. We've actually seen this in the comics with the main Batman: He kills Darkseid with a Godkiller gun during the Final crisis event. He feels killing Darkseid to save the universe is an acceptable exception to his rule.

THANK YOU. I 100% agree

After he decides to not kill Superman, he immediately goes to kill a bunch of goons. Does the Dawn of Justice only last thirty minutes to an hour tops?

@@theofficialvernetheturtley338 Old habits die hard? :)

@@mrsnufflekins3479 Maybe so. I suppose we'll see in The Snyder Cut.

Never thought of that.

MK lee Hahahahaha.

@@coc8648 hehehehehe sure

Antonio Torres I like how DC nerds act like DC pumps out amazing movies lmao. They really don’t lmao

The Darkfrost have you watched Joker?

@@thedarkfrost2351 Not consistently, but what I respect about DC movies is that they take risks. Whether it ends up good or bad, they try to do something different. Their biggest sin was trying to be Marvel when they could have been great on their own (Suicide Squad and Justice League are the best/worst examples of this). Thankfully, WB came to realize how much that doesn't work and started doing their own thing in recent years, to much better results (though I personally didn't like Aquaman and Birds of Prey, they were still generally well-liked, so there's that). Despite their shortcomings, The Dark Knight Trilogy remains the untouched peak of the genre with Joker joining it, which shows how great DC can do when they really try. Marvel is pretty great too, don't get me wrong, I'm not hating on it and I understand why people would prefer it over DC. As opposed to DC, their quality is actually consistent. But its problem is that too many movies feel the same and are often done the safest way possible. I personally consider Infinity War to be the crown jewel of the MCU, and why? It was ballsy, it broke the formula, it did what no one expected. I think it's miles ahead of Endgame, which had its share of epic moments and an incredible final battle, but it was all standing on a really sloppy story when the writers couldn't write themselves out of a corner. Outside of the MCU, I find every Spider-Man movie very rewatchable, Spider-Verse and Spider-Man 2 being my favorite Marvel movies ever. They are cinematic superhero magic at its finest. There was this air of grandiosity and spectacle to them that I think MCU rarely captures. None of Fox's Marvel movies stuck with me as much as Infinity War, Spider-Man 2 and Spider-Verse, but I respect them for taking risks, like DC. Deadpool paved the way for more R-rated superhero movies, Logan paved the way for more experimental genre-bending superhero movies, and The New Mutants didn't exactly do anything yet, but it's something refreshing, or at least it looks like it. Unfortunately, I don't see these effots get nearly as much appreciation as they should because most people were too busy screaming for Fox to give their rights to Marvel. And now that it happened, I doubt we will see these experimentations again except for Deadpool, but that's already a safe bet at this point. I might be wrong, and if I am I might change my mind, but this is how it is so far. I tangled myself into discussion a bit too much, but my point is, I like both Marvel and DC. But the reason I prefer DC is that they're trying something different and take the genre further more often than Marvel.

Absolutely!

I don't hate Snyder. I just hate his incredibly shitty take on these characters.

@@flatebo1 the fact that you don't like the movie doesn't make it shitty, growp up

@@josehoraciofernandez5117 No, the fact that it's a shitty movie makes it a shitty movie. The fact that you like the movie doesn't make it good.

@@flatebo1 yeah, whatever you say troll

He has got a God gifted ability to make films which gets better after every rewatch.

at first, I did not like coffee at all until I am 7 years old, not joking, I legitimately and still to this day, praise coffee, especillay indonesian coffees.

no

Or maybe it’s just average at best

in fact i used like mos when it came out but every time i watch it i see how mid it is.bvs didn’t like.watched the ultimate edition & liked it even less.

James' YouNiverse honestly the ultimate edition was great but I feel like it really just spelled out a lot of stuff for people instead of having them just use their heads to know what’s happening

It was great bro

@@AlienBee lol that’s pretty much what it is at its base form but tbh it does a little more in my opinion

Hell yeah man!

Watched it again last night. I enjoyed it!

I feel like the voice exaggeration was kinda cringe in the beginning good video either way

I absolutely enjoyed this video and took a new perspective. I had a different perspective on BvS and life lesson. I loved it in a different way

you obviously didnt see ''why you are wrong about BvS'' videos

I wanted to like your comment but it was already at '300' likes lol

wow, what a great insight.

Yes! I understand what zack was going for in that scene. It was not executed properly and people looked at it im the most superficial way, like our moms share the same name yay. But xack planted seeds, for example when Bruce tells Clark, men are brave. He doesn't view supes as human, as a man. But when he realizes he has a family, a mom, he sees the humanity in clark. He sees he has become joe chill, he becomes merciful because he sees his young self in clark. At least that's how I saw it. I think if clark would have said save my mom, it would have been more effective.

Exactly this is what happened with me... I loved MARTHA scene

U and ur gf are smarter than majority of comic fans who’s hated this film

Yea, but right after that scene he goes on killing spree

Beautiful words :-)

@@josehoraciofernandez5117 Thank you :) At the end of the day it's a matter of opinion and I wished that the majority of people saw the movie the way I saw it which was not the case. Maybe people came to this movie expecting another superhero movie with a lot of action and epic moments and not expecting a thought provoking one which made them hate it. And if you think about it this theme of testing your characters, putting them under impossible odds and making them react in very "human" ways started in man of Steel. Clark not saving his father and his father sacrificing himself to protect his son from being exposed to the world when he knows that his son is not ready, such an impactful scene. Or the one with Zod forcing Superman to choose between killing him or letting the family die, a situation in which there was no happy outcome which was emphasized in Superman's heartbreaking scream after he snapped Zod's neck. Something you don't usually see in superhero movies and still people criticized that movie for both of those scenes. Zack Snyder is not the best director there is but he makes movies that you come back to after years later and see them in a new and different light and he actually said it himself, his movies are directed to the adult audience not the kids.

I would go further, perhaps all Wayne ever did was beat up criminals to give vent to his rage. He failed to change anything because he does not want change; he wants an endless army of evermore grotesque criminals for him to smash. He is addicted to his own anger and like all addicts he needs ever greater doses. He may have started out with a code, do not kill,but ultimately, that would never do. This is one deeply traumatized child who has spent thirty-five years in arrested development, never getting passed the day his world was shattered. You see it throughout the film: his inability to form relationships, his old car, his old fashioned house, the drugs, the booze... This is not Batman as a hero, this is Batman as villain.

I think everything you need to know about this batman is from the shot of robins broken costume up for display with no distinction or commentary needed,

@Kermit Peanut Joker survives Killing Joke - that was the point.

I think that's exactly what he meant by his re-enactment at the beginning. Instead of sitting down and thinking it through, people jumped online and blasted the movie. Jumped on the bandwagon and became entrenched in their hate.

You’re right I jumped on the bandwagon, day 1, while I saw Batman kill It felt wrong in my eyes and I wanted someone to tell me thay it was I was like 16 or 15 when it came out, a stupid kid but now as a 18 I decided to rewatch it and, while the action is too loud for me, I enjoyed it and saw it with a different perspective

NP138 I never saw Burton’s movies I was too busy developing in the womb, I saw the first Nolan Batman movie but not the rest because I didn’t give a shit about them and Snyder, after knowing what the character of Batman was, It felt off

@craig lofton So you must be one of the hate wagon? Outta here!

Mr. Friendship is he not allowed to dislike a movie?

I have just rewatched both movies basically since they released and i can't believe i used to think of these as "ok" movies. (i did watch the ultimate edition of BvS tho)

craig lofton do you really have to comment this? I mean it’s your opinion but no need to comment that.

Facts. Watching MOS and BVS back to back is amazing

I just re watched the ultimate edition today. That movie, along with MOS and the upcoming Snyder cut of JL, will be cult classics for years to come.

@@Theo-bk6qj Craig is an idiot looking for attention.

It's not that mind boggling, it's a huge mess and it's still pretty garbage. The good in it is basically everything it took from source material

Negative viral marketing is a thing. Who was the most motivated in 2016-2017 to see a DCU fail? Who benefitted the most?

Lol good interstellar reference

Abraham Jackson ;)

Snyder, Nolan, Goyer and Terrio are all responsible for the great writing within BVS and MOS. People that critique BVS or MOS without acknowledging the great amount of character development connected through philosophy, religion and some of the greatest cinematic references; is giving a disservice to the beauty in these 2 movies. The famous and most hated "Martha" scene has so much more to offer than the typical meme. It connects to "the greatest movie of all time" Citizen Kane and translates a modern approach to the biblical story of Michael Archangel. I'm not religious but if you google image search that story you'll see a more in depth representation of Batman (as Michael) and Superman's (as the devil) relationship; that'll show why the usage of "Martha" was the only logical choice. Id go more in depth if someone asks.

@@kevinlinsley9594 Please don't, lol. Let me stop you right there.

@@kevinlinsley9594 most people hating and making videos on it just want to get a piece of the pie. Your boy ralph got his career from it

Exactly Red. I loved MOS, BvS, and JL from the start. They are much closer to the comics than most people realize. Zack is good at that.

@*xokireiキレイ* The flight theme is the real deal

I only saw the better cut of BvS and never understood the hate. It wasn’t perfect and doomsday was wasted but it was still a good movie. I hated how the justice league made everyone except Superman look like a joke.

It feels kinda good to be proven right after so many years; just kinda wish people caught on faster so the snyderverse wouldn't have died

@*xokireiキレイ* Oh hell yes. Snyder and Nolan humanized Superman perfectly and stayed true to the idealism of Superman as well. The score for that movie is phenomenal!

This is exactly why so many people didn't get the movie it was much more than the 2 duking it out, it was about the 2 world's colliding, 2 philosophies clashing. A man who has lost his way Vs a man trying to find his way. LeX was brilliant in the film Jesse Isenberg just didn't do a great job because we all just saw him as Jesse Isenberg.

Yes i kinda agree, should've just use Dawn Of Justice title instead of BvS. It's like youtube clickbait even tho the content is good.

wow this is a great observation, if the title was Dawn of Justice.

Zack even explained that it was purposely named as Batman V Superman not Batman Vs Superman.

@@clickycrust After what chris terrio said about the matter, its all come together. The title "Batman V Superman" is nothing but a pure marketing choice.

@Kermit Peanut yeah exactly, I’m so excited for the Snyder cut

@FoxRNG He broke that rule many times in the comics and in every live action movie, he kills someone.

@FoxRNG cry about it

@FoxRNG There are different versions of every comic book character ever created, You have to learn how to respect that fact

@FoxRNG This version of him does. And that's fine

"we fight...we kill... we betray one another..."

Reynolds mate, wanna try this omelet I cooked you?

@@batmanfan6207 "But we can rebuild ... "

@@maskofshy "we can do better..."

I'm gonna say it I understood that reference

Agreed

Repo man yes. Lex literally killed superman and bragged about it to Bruce’s face. The fact that Bruce didn’t kill him then speaks volumes.

I love that part. People claim the movie is “too dark” and “has no hope” but that line is the most hopeful thing ever

That scene makes me feel manly

Superman's sacrifice makes him recover faith in humanity. Superman inspiring hope and taking the best out of people. And they still say it's not a true Superman. People are superficial and want Superman to go smiling like an idiot the whole time.

You see, that's the problem with Snyder's way of making movies: Storytelling. People then to say "Uh, actually Lex had motivation and it's this this and that" but it wasn't never shown, it was never portayed in the movie. That's why usually "Show but don't tell" is the best way to convey a message, and it's ironic that a "visual" director like Snyder was not able to do that. I see all the time people explaining "Oh, but in BvS there's a reason for this dumb decision and is..." but never EVER in the movie was shown. One of the dumbest scenes are when Diana shows up and asks Bruce why he brought Doomsday to that place and Bruce says "The port is abandoned" just because too many people complained about destruction or innocent people dying in Man of Steel, but it's so stupid because is better to show it. "No dude, but it was mentioned", that's a horrible way to convey messages in movies. Even more if the movie is trying to be "mature" or "for older audiences", and yet it's full of mistakes that other comic book movies do, even Marvel. I think many people have selective memories now and because superhero movies are bad now they go back and think BvS is great and all, but no. It isn't and it never was. There are some cool ideas that might've been amazing, but most of them were portayed/told in the worst way possible.

Yeah I can't really disagree that Snyder didn't convey the motivations well. I just meant that he does have motivations. Albeit I will way that "show don't tell" isn't something to be abused. Saying it's abandoned in a one-off line is perfectly fine if you don't want to needlessly cut away from the scene. I agree that BvS isn't very good. @@DistortedEmerald

People also just love to hate. Even if they have no good reason to and make themselves look like complete asses.

It simply is not a good movie. I don't harass the actors on social media. I don't think you are less of a person for enjoying the film. I simply disagree with you. I think Snyder does not know how to tell a story. He doesn't know what makes a good film. I can have sympathy for his personal tragedy. I can treat him with respect as a human while criticizing his art. Good people don't necessarily make good art.

@Wednesday Oh god. Off the top of my head for just Superhero movies, The Dark Knight, Deadpool 1, Civil War, Infinity War, Endgame, Avengers 1, Ironman 1, The Winter Soldier, First Class, Days of Future Past, Guardians of the Galaxy 1, Thor Ragnarok, Spider-Man 2, Homecoming & Far from Home, the list goes on. Punisher: Warzone is a better movie than BvS.

@Wednesday yes, it happened with me and I feel guilty for it now

@@_androo_9202 Punisher is not as good as the other movies I listed but it doesn't become a music video every ten minutes because the script is just a series of cliches every five minutes between dream sequences and montages.

Donald Moxham i knew it would end up this way and i love it

Donald Moxham no

Indeed. I’ve always loved the ultimate edition. In a way I was not a fan after seeing it in theaters. But after seeing the UE. I was in love and couldn’t wait for JL.

It is becoming a explosion classic

When the Snyder Cut comes out, this movie will be even better. Remember, this is part 2 of a 5 story Superman/JL arc and is filmed as such

craig lofton you must be an mcu fan

@craig lofton learn english first..

@Craig lofton that's your opinion, also nothing's being buried, his vision continues. Snyder cut HBO MAX 2021

@craig lofton yup totally a mcu So smart guy can pls tell me why doesn't Batman kill if u love both mcu and dceu so much

Appreciating Zack Snyder's vision is absolutely the wrong takeaway from this video.

thats how it is with any DCEU movie and its stupid

@Kermit Peanut This is wrong. Ben is not the most accurate by a long shot

Bvs was and still is trash but the ultimate cut 😙magnificent

@FoxRNG while i agree with you, yes batman doe not kill but the batman in bvs is NOT our batman anymore. He kills because he already lost all the hopes in mankind and that man can be good that's the whole reason why batman tried to kill superman in the first place, and it's has been addressed in the film by alfred constantly lecturing bruce that he is not the good man he used to be.

@Kermit Peanut I disagree, you saying he kills is just very..well not Batman. I don't like to start hate threads, and I don't want to, but...... Your examples for him killing are not Batman at his core. One was because it was basically the only shot of winning, and the other are more due to the writer's tone, plus one isn't even really canon. He's killed on unique occasions and runs BUT he generally doesn't kill. Also, no, Ben's Batman is not the most accurate, Kevin Conroy's, Christian Bale's, and Bruce Greenwood's all have a more core understanding of Batman, which means y'know, not running over criminals with cars. Also, the best portrayed is purely up to bias and taste. And "people who hate Ben have no clue" is not a piece of evidence. Also, the 3rd "evidence" is just the 1st. I'm not denying it, but can you give sources on what Frank Miller and Kevin Conroy said, also that doesn't mean he's the best. The acting and physique are AGAIN up to personal preference. But the final "evidence" and the last sentence of the comment, NO, Zack Snyder is stuck in the past. TDKR, while good is probably the only thing he read. The reason I think BVS is bad is because they needed more development with Batman and one single movie is not enough to do that. Honestly, that's DC's fault, but TDKR is so effective because we KNOW who Batman is and TDKR totally changes that perspective. Look, I don't hate you for liking this film, but these statements anger me. Gritty/dark does not mean good. That is the edgy 13 year old in yourself. They don't even really flesh out how Robin affects Bruce. I'm bringing up again that with development, this film could've been good, but it wasn't.

too bad that because of this hate on BvS snyders JL trilogy wont happen. It would be so freakin epic.

@@realonepx9885 the whole universe was messed up at that moment. Not just justice league. Suicide squad was destroyed with reshoots, the batman( with a story that follows into bvs by including joker and killing robin) was cancelled and now the universe feels like a copy paste of marvel

I think this film was great, especially the ultimate edition, I honestly did not like lex luther in the film (or his offspring etc). It could have been done better for reals where lex is concerned and especially how his motives were forced into the then upcoming film of justice league which was rushed into production and it showed...I love Snyder and I wish he was left to all his powers to make this film and Justice league what he untended...BvS was awesome!...These versions of both Batman and Superman were awesome...I felt his motivation to save Martha..seriously I did, and that saving Martha sequence was some of the best action I have ever seen in any super hero film or action film...period!

this honestly doesn't even scratch the surface of how deep the film goes into old lore and symbology. it's a masterpiece of mythic proportion. one of the reasons people hate the batman pivot is because they don't understand CLASSIC story telling. all the characters in the film a representations of something greater, and therefore not necessarily normal "human" characters. it's a classical tale in the modern day. it's king arthur, it's beowulf... it's superman

@@josepholsen7450 I bet you're gonna called dumb. Very dumb. Even though I completely agree with what you're saying, that's just how these stupid people react to this... It's sad. And because of this, we'll never get anything like this again... Probably

Nope! Still hate it. I watched the Ultimate Cut recently and still found it to be a pretty dreadful experience. Just not my thing. But now, DC's making stuff like Shazam and Joker, which I thought were pretty incredible so I don't really waste my breath thinking about things that let me down. There's so much to be excited about. Great video by the way!

No, but not because I thought your thoughts weren't insightful or that I disagreed with your conclusions. I'm glad you came to a place of peace, and I will say I found your comment about the legacy of Batman getting in the way of your enjoyment very interesting. Something that Grant Morrison, Frank Miller and other writers have played with in their runs on Batman (and Christopher Nolan played with in his films) was how the legend of Batman is what makes him powerful. What they rarely talk about is how the flip side--that it's much easier to hate a symbol/legend (like Superman) than a living, vulnerable being. As for the "artists should be allowed to do whatever they want with characters" argument, I'm personally tired of it, because it's an obvious fallacy. You say yourself that you had constraints on Batman--even after your revelation. "Batman does not kill...unless..." puts a constraint on the character beyond the costume and the iconography associated with him. Regardless, well done perspective on the characters and the movie.

A+ work homie! Thoroughly enjoyed it

I want a video explaining your views on Man of Steel

You know what I think? I think this is one of your best constructed videos. The last part, when you showed 'acceptance' hit me like a truck. It's almost like you explained a process of performing a psychological analysis on yourself. Most of the things you said about this movie is stuff I always agreed with. Still, despite all that, I am not a big fan of this movie. I am a guy who prefers a good script over artistic directing - and the script for BvS, while it has some great ideas, it lacks proper execution and logic behind it.

Indeed , but I would also like that snyder did made bruce talking about the code and saying something like no more to be clearer

@@kryptonianstrength8461 me too. That's actually a fair point. Cheers.

Because it's so vague and inconsistent throughout the whole film. The idea is awesome, execution leaves much to be desired.

I don't think it is? When asked about it, Snyder actually tried to justify Batman's killing by citing examples from the comics, as if he could genuinely be adapted that way and not as a pourposeful distortion. There's absolutely nothing in the movie that suggests that what's wrong with batman is the absence of a no-kill rule. Yes, there is something about resentment of what makes him fear, and of the wrongness of mudering an inocent man, but from what Snyder presented to us, he always did smash criminals to a pulp in a confrontation, and will continue to do so after his turning point, as we see in the warehouse fight.

@@joaomarcos2089 I've always thought exactly what Hi-Top said in the video is 100% true. Chris Terrio wrote a script where Batman didn't kill, branded people, and teetered on the edge with his first kill being Superman if he went through with it. And it's a great storyline. When directing, Snyder simply couldn't help himself adding shots of Batman blowing shit up because he thought it was cool. He later justifies it as not killing in interviews because he knows it was bad for the story. "I tried to do it in a technical way" "It's more manslaughter." Frankly, I'm disappointed, because with a few re-writes adding more context and backstory (maybe even just a small montage after the origin?) and Snyder taking out some of those shots of Batman kills, I think there was a great story here, but unfortunately the execution just wasn't there.

What guy?

@@DivvayKhatri he means that there are people who are jumping wagons.

Sheeple go baa baa

I never thought BVS was bad. Just viewing audiences have had lower viewing standards since every comic movie isn't doing the Marvel-itis non sense. And even they are starting to finally break that bad habit

I mean, I still think it's just solid😂

You liked the theatrical release?? That movie got the hate it deserved but the ultimate edition forsure changed my opinion on it.

@@AngelXO96 Yes the theatrical cut wasn't very good it had its flaws but I don't think it was as bad as the critics claimed, rotten tomatoes has 28% rating for it which is absolute bullshit and a lot of people/critics accepted that when they saw the movie the second time they found it much better bcoz they missed a lot of important points during the first time and some even apologized to Snyder for being too harsh on him so yeah it ain't that bad..!!!

Mohit Yadav idk man all the cut out scenes were really important to explain the first half of the movie, without that the set up to the Batman and Superman fight made absolutely no sense apart from a dick measuring contest. But with the ultimate edition that changes big time. To me the theatrical version was a 4/10 but the ultimate edition is easily a 8/10 and Zack Snyder’s best movie so far.

@@AngelXO96 yeah but iis rotten tomatoes no one should trust it

Tired of pretending that Zack can't direct action

in my opinion, this movie is in my top 10 movie ever made , not joking.

@@constantinezoelayman3132 same. BvS Ultimate Edition is a rare movie I could watch every weekend and still enjoy.

it deconstructed superheroes when marvel was propping them up..d.c. fans and marvel fans united feeling betrayed by snyder...looking back its way smarter then we thought...and i liked the film back then...despite its hate...i enjoy that over justice league and avengers embracing superheroes..lame...whats so original about that?..

@@razkable you have to deconstruct the superhero genre in order to build them up again. That's why ZSJL feels so rewarding; is not only because of the dark and gritty aesthetic, but celebrating the greatness of the human heart. The power to choose to rise again, stronger, United and with hope. I knew that was meant to be like that, it HAD TO.

I made the comment to my wife after watching it the 2nd time in the theaters that this movie would be like Blade Runner... hated upon release and finally appreciated for what it was much later. When I saw the Ultimate Ed. I knew that comparison (which I qualified at the time) was accurate. BvS is truly heartbreaking.

It's still ahead of it's time.

Here here. Well said!

I'd make sure to be here once the Cut gets released

Yess, it is happening 😁😁

It really is though, that's what makes this batman so fascinating, he has been pushed so far that he has broken his one rule. Also are you seriously using the arkham games and the Dark Knight films as proof that batman kills? Seriously? I get your trying to defend something you love in this version of batman, but at that point your just lying to yourself. You can't take the "Everytime Batman kills" compilations on youtube seriously. Especially when the biggest point of contention in TDK was that the Joker was trying to get batman to break his code by getting him to kill him.

And we can pray snyder gets to complete his vision... well i hope

Tyson Moffat and Batfleck comes back

Yes

Yeah. I hope Snyder's cut can stop me feel disgusting everytime I remember how Batman kill a lot of people just to steal a space rock

@@cuongtranmanh3794why does Batman killing bother you so much?

It's not THAT complex. It's just people have a certain expectation from a particular genre "omg it's a superhero movie hhow can it be political espionage and philosophical bro?"

@@porassrivastava8242 Exactly. People hate having to understand comic book movies.

Interesting take!

I am a Christian too bro and absolutely loved Ben Affleck's redemption arc for his batman in this movie and how superman's death is what brought about that change in him and inspired him to become the batman he once was.

you really think people don't understand this? I'm not trying to be rude, but it's not difficult to understand what's going on there. People get it, we just felt like hit over the head with the message. It's not that we didn't get it. As a hardcore DC fan I don't understand why Batman "hates" Superman so much to the point of murder in the fist place. Batman is the worlds greatest detective. He can't figure out Superman just saved the planet from Zod. Which from MoS that is so obvious. For me it felt contrived to go along with the reason they are fighting in the first place. So for 2 hours and 15 minutes I watch a movie slowly build to a fight that feels contrived. Plus I know this story is lifted from Dark Knight Returns, and just doesn't compare. You are free to enjoy this film. If you get that message out of the movie that's great! I just think it's off base to assume intelligent people criticize the movie because they are not smart enough to get it.

@@faz6877 My guy, you don't know why Batman hates Superman, then go watch the movie and pay attention. 🤦‍♂️

you dont need 100 iq to get that scene lmao. like what @faz said it felt really over the head,the environment was intense and you just blurb out 1 name it ruins everything. bvs was "okay" not bad not good before that scene but after that aside from SW scene everything else is shit. like how they literally made batman useless here and in JL. i prefer whedons version rather than snyder btw.

@@faz6877 You didn't watch the movie properly....or while watching, you had particular mindset...

​@@SanjaySarjal-fs6rl The fact you are defending the "Martha" scene proves you didn't watch the movie properly. You were obviously going to approve of any pos Snyder slapped a BvS label, which hurts the product for the rest of us. I do find it funny you guys pat yourself on the back like the "Martha" scene is something hard to figure out. Believe me, we all get it! The part we don't get is how you can give a pass to such cringeworthy execution.

Dynamite Brown me too.

I remember i barely read about him in 2013. & while I liked the Reeve's movies, he was.. meh. Until . Man of Steel and ... well, the cinematography, the character, the meaning, Clark suddenly .. became like someone I know. Many said he was'n't accurate to the comics.. .so I start reading them.. A LOT I CAN NOW SAY, DCEU Superman, is also the Sups from comics too.

@@maskofshy no

@@dcmarvelcomicfans9458 no what?

@@maskofshy that's not rebirth / pre-new 52 Superman the dceu version same goes for Christopher Reeve Superman

I mean just look at Star Wars some of the toxic Fans literally threatened the actors, yeah TLJ was disappointing and bad but jesus christ.

Thank you son

Would be interesting to see how Bruce's character changed during JL too. He mentioned to Diana how he deserves to die for the men he's killed in his coldless pursuit to murder Superman. cinemacure.wordpress.com/2017/11/19/read-zack-snyders-version-and-all-deleted-scenes-of-justice-league/ "CHANGED: Bruce’s conversation with Diana after Superman returns. Diana comes in to pop Bruce’s shoulder and tend to his injuries. Bruce reveals that he is willing to die to save the world. In fact, he says “he deserves to die because of what he’s done. He’s killed people and nothing, not even his hate for Superman can justify killing like that”. Diana tells him that “he’s changed now” but Bruce remains adamant that he can only atone himself by sacrificing his life." Would've been perfect to see him amends his sins when going face to face with Darkseid.. alas Final Crisis.

Austin Trench can’t believe you’re actually defending “Martha” 😂

Dantdt33-0 I always defend it. But hey it’s just a movie you can like and hate what ya want.

Austin Trench of course

@@dantdt4693 The Martha moment is actually quite beautiful. I think people think it was done in a silly way but really, it's a beautiful moment. So focused on hating this alien that at that moment he realizes he's another being, similar to himself. He has a mother, whose name is just like his, and he's simply asking to you to save her even if he dies.

Yes it is also that . ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-1GLqIh9jOf4.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-gIMrnPzjiBQ.html If you liked this video, should check out these as well, they are great as well and are shorter in length. They explain lex luthors story arc and Batman's story arc specifically

agreed

Nah, is not perfect either, but I like Justice League better. All tho I think Man of Steel is the better of the bunch.

There is one. #releasethesnydercut

true!!!

Mos and bvs were really really good in my op, but jl, man if i could physically kill a movie and get away w the murder, jl, the village, avatar and db-E

before this movie only 0.1% of people knew batman's mom ,and after BvS everyone's dissing abt it.

I was the weird one,too.

I liked the movie when it came out too. Though the negative spread out so fast but i still believed in time, the movie will get its justice ....

They just don't underestimate it bro

@@mrsakamoto4330 the thing is. The movie explains it. It's like everyone went in with their brains turned off

Yes that scene works on multiple levels, your interpretation is correct as well. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-1GLqIh9jOf4.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-gIMrnPzjiBQ.html If you liked this video, should check out these as well, they are great as well and are shorter in length. They explain lex luthors story arc and Batman's story arc specifically

It really is. Such a fascinating plan.

but I do agree

What if I disagree ?

Alex Capitanu you’re entitled to your wrong opinion :)

I think it's a masterpiece but at the same time not

@@AN-filmandmusic there's no such thing as a wrong opinion chill

For some Reason All Snyder history in DC Is very similar to What happens to Superman in his movies

I haven't seen a single case where those two groups overlap

It's ironic tbh

Same, I've got friends who love it NOW but I loved it since I watched it

And watching the ultimate cut only makes the experience much more better

I loved Affleck as Batman from the beginning and my only gripes were easily fixed with the Ultimate Edition.

One of my favorites ever

I've watch this movie atleast once a week I loved it

Exactly! It's different from the marvel formula and that's the point

How many of you are 14 and have a deluded notion of what's mature and intelligent?

@@shamlotbestrhapsever7437 or maybe it's you who's 14 and have a small-minded view of storytelling & is unwilling to be open to new ideas so you call people who ARE "deluded"?

@@supermagnumable Oh yea man, I'm totally 14 and too stupid to understand this unique and deeply intellectual storytelling presented by our Lord & Savior Zack Snyder. I need to jump off a bridge and land face first ensuring that my "mind will open," so that I can join this Snyder-Cut cult that is in no way the laughing stock of the cinematic fan community.

@@shamlotbestrhapsever7437 .......what are you talking about? what is this whole paragraph for? I'm just saying to accept other people's opinion's (like OP) and not call them "deluded" because you don't agree with it. that's acting like a 14 year old.

Good insights. And also, thanks 4 sharing your point of view. Your confusion about ppl being so lost in hate for so long, is a very strong insight.

critics n stupid rotten tomatoes

People hate having to understand comic book movies.

@@jaredslabaugh3181 They hate messy, unorganized and uninspired ideas. Snyder had a good vision but completely lacks the skills as a director and writer to execute them.

@@reservoirfrogs2177 Lol. 😂 You don’t appreciate art

I enjoy both versions but there's never a good reason to watch the lesser version

I feel like this is zack snyder's biggest weakness in all of his superhero movies. He can't really create more effective storytelling to fit all of the story into a shorter duration. This is sad and probably the reason why WB and general audience doesn't like him in the first place.

@@abitsourrrrsorry4885 Movies back then used to be 3-4 hours long. Zack Snyder respects the older ways.

@@lordraiden7397 But I feel like his movies are just slow paced to the point it stretches the runtime way too much.

@@abitsourrrrsorry4885 MoS proves that wrong.

Let's Take A Look Same for me as well.

I have explained this film for years. I should have made a video ;)

@@The80sWolf_ right! That'd been cool! He did do a good job though.

The 80's Wolf You know, explaining the meaning of a story doesn’t actually make that story any less terrible?

Its crazy how you people are brain washed and cant think for yourselves. Holy shit. What happened to this society. That rotten tomatoes and a random guy on youtibe can change you perspective about something. Smfh

💯

we arent taking about civil war because it was good but forgettable. we are talking about BvS because it was terrible.

@@EE-oh7kg so you always bring up bad memories? Why would you want to keep the memory of a terrible movie?

Yes

@@EE-oh7kg fam the last 30 mins of that movie were good. The other parts were average at best. RDJ & Chad carried that movie.

It's more about people supporting trash and others not wanting to see it constantly due to that support.

@@reservoirfrogs2177 Critical re-evaluation is a thing

Out there, among the stars, he'll live. Out there, among the stars, ding dong, the god is dead

“You were never a god. You were never even a man.”

Awesome thing about that line is that Martha said something similar to clark when he came back and told her that he had found out where he came from. "I'm just worried that they'll take you away from me" she said, showing her fear of losing him to the world be it in a metaphorical sense and a literal one. The sad thing is that they did take her son from her, they berated him and eventually caused his death (by they I mean the world including lex who was more responsible for the latter). Both mothers feared this coming to pass long before it would happen because in some way they understand the nature of living sentient things(reason I'm not saying human nature is because Lara did not not how humans behaved but had an idea based on what I assume was her experience on krypton). that exchange of words between lara and jor-el are one of favorite interactions in the movie and overall universe simply because of the dialogue and the consequences that come with their actions. :)

They shoulda just put Supes on a cross lmao

*Taskmaster has Bruce Banner down on His knees, while he drops pictures of an abused Betty Ross* Bruce Banner: "Where is she?!" Taskmaster: "I don't know! And i did not let the Hand ninjas tell me". *Bruce almost starts to Hulk out until* Taskmaster: "Now if you kill me, Betty dies. And if you starts to Hulk out and escapes, Betty also dies. But, if you kill the Avengers, Betty lives". *Bruce Banner starts to calm down, unsure what he has to do* Taskmaster: "There you go, there you go. Now the Hulk bends to My will".

It is very telling that the reconsiderations over the Snyder vision have multiplied. I see more and more of these videos. And rewatching the full cuts of the movies, in my estimation these are masterpieces.

PREACH!

Same

Meh, maybe Man of Steel Edit: yeah BvS Ultimate Edition is now one of my favorites

Snyder always had the best vision in all the Superhero movies he made. Can't tell me otherwise.

@Daniel Brown no

Did it really come out 5 years ago..........what the fuck

@@ianwilly7118 lol right?

THAT’S WHAT IM SAYING! I truly believe this movie is going to end up like Watchmen. People hated it at first but realized how truly special it is years later.

@@supermagnumable I agree. I loved bvs . I love that wb went dark and gritty. It works best as a batman movie as well it should because it was the first batman since nolan. One of my favorite comic book movies ever!

The only two fuck ups with this film. They needed to explain more as to why Bruce crossed his line of killing and the theatrical release was a mis step. Otherwise I adore this film it's cinematography and in all the balls of this movie

@@Karlos.Fandango. because people didn't wait passionately for the B V Deathstroke to explain it, instead they bashed the movie instantly.

Haved you watched the Ultimate Edition yet? What did you think?

After watching the ultimate edition, the theatrical cut feels choppy and incoherent. They literally cut the character's motivations.

@Kermit Peanut stop. if you're gonna post your comment again then so will I: I disagree, you saying he kills is just very..well not Batman. I don't like to start hate threads, and I don't want to, but...... Your examples for him killing are not Batman at his core. One was because it was basically the only shot of winning, and the other are more due to the writer's tone, plus one isn't even really canon. He's killed on unique occasions and runs BUT he generally doesn't kill. Also, no, Ben's Batman is not the most accurate, Kevin Conroy's, Christian Bale's, and Bruce Greenwood's all have a more core understanding of Batman, which means y'know, not running over criminals with cars. Also, the best portrayed is purely up to bias and taste. And "people who hate Ben have no clue" is not a piece of evidence. Also, the 3rd "evidence" is just the 1st. I'm not denying it, but can you give sources on what Frank Miller and Kevin Conroy said, also that doesn't mean he's the best. The acting and physique are AGAIN up to personal preference. But the final "evidence" and the last sentence of the comment, NO, Zack Snyder is stuck in the past. TDKR, while good is probably the only thing he read. The reason I think BVS is bad is because they needed more development with Batman and one single movie is not enough to do that. Honestly, that's DC's fault, but TDKR is so effective because we KNOW who Batman is and TDKR totally changes that perspective. Look, I don't hate you for liking this film, but these statements anger me. Gritty/dark does not mean good. That is the edgy 13 year old in yourself. They don't even really flesh out how Robin affects Bruce. I'm bringing up again that with development, this film could've been good, but it wasn't.

“I feel like a lot of fans are hardcore clinging to the no-kill argument, as if Snyder was the first to break it. Tim Burton’s Batman Killed the Joker by making him fall off a building” Actually, plenty of people have given Burton heat for making Batman kill. I suggest you watch HiTop Films’s video on Burton’s Batman 89. “Christopher Nolan’s Batman killed Ra’s al Ghul by refusing to save him” Um, no. He didn’t. Choosing not to save a life isn’t the same as taking a life. Not only that, but Batman also gave Ra’s a chance to save himself by breaking one of the train windows, allowing someone of Ra’s skills to jump out of the train, then grab onto something like the rail construction and survive, but Ra’s chose to stay in the train and die for his cause. “He also knocked Two-Face to his death” Which was an accident. He wasn’t trying to kill Two-Face, he was trying to save Jim Gordon’s son. Right before that, he was begging for Harvey to not kill the kid, but Harvey wouldn’t listen to him, so Batman was forced to do what he did in order to save Gordon’s son from being killed by Two-Face. Not just that, but it was also part of the point of that movie, which was the Joker trying to show the heroes being forced to compromise their morality when being put into extreme situations. “And those were Batmans in their prime, no-kill rule firm in hand, yet no one complained about those movies” Except like I said, people have complained about Burton making Batman kill people. Just not as much as Snyder since A. It was the first on-screen live action take on the character, so people weren’t expecting it to be faithful to the source material, especially when it was made by someone who clearly didn’t care about the character of Batman nor being accurate to the source material (hence the Joker being the murderer of Batman’s parents or Batman hanging upside down while sleeping) and B. The Burton movies were actually enjoyable, unlike BVS, and Nolan didn’t get flak because his version at least tried not to kill and only ever did in extreme circumstances. “Snyder’s Batman was broken, beaten, and has lived long enough to see himself become the villain. It’s pretty evident that Bruce has PTSD in the Snyderverse. He’s seen some shit in his life, and he snapped a long time ago” But the issue is that none of this is ever actually shown in the movie. It’s only just merely “hinted” at through vague, throwaway lines of dialogue and a brief scene of Robin’s suit. “And Clark knows this, which is why he says ‘Martha’ instead of my mom in that infamous scene that everyone hates” But the problem is how exactly would he know that saying Martha would get Bruce’s attention? I mean, it’s not like he knew the impact Bruce’s parents had on him, let alone that his mother’s name was Martha. “Batman didn’t because ‘Martha’ immediately humanized Superman, he stooped, because hearing his mother’s name snapped him out of his bloodlust” So you’re openly admitting that he only stopped trying to kill Superman because he heard his mother’s name out loud? “I haven’t read a lot of the comics, so I went into Batman v Superman with mostly knowledge of the previous DC movies in mind, and I didn’t find the killing shocking. It seemed like a natural fit for a completely unhinged vigilante. Truth is, the kappa!, bam!, zok! punching isn’t enough in a movie that is supposed to be grounded in realism” Riiiiight, because a movie that’s premise is a man in a bat costume fighting a superpowered alien is totally supposed to be “gROuNdEd iN ReALiSm”. “Batman can’t just go around knocking people out with punches and kicks. Well he could, it would look absolutely ridiculous and unbelievable. This is Punisher levels of raw violence, and I love it. The warehouse fight scene was my favorite part of Batman v Superman, because it showed him as the absolute beast of a fighter he’s supposed to be. Snyder’s Batman is, to this day, the only Batman I’ve not found utterly ridiculous” First of all, if he is able to take on a godlike being like Superman and win, then there is no reason why he can’t also take on a few poorly trained and mindless goons without killing them. Second of all, are you for real? Are you seriously telling a Batman that’s essentially the Punisher is the only Batman that’s “not ridiculous”? Do you not realize what a horrible stance this is to have? That to make Batman “not ridiculous”, you need to strip him of what makes him interesting or unique and then turn him into just the Punisher in a bat costume?

@@craftymasterproductions4218 I couldn't have said it better myself. That's honestly my big issue with Batman killing in Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, we never got to see his morals getting stripped away from him. I feel like we should've gotten a movie on that. And I hate it when people say that Batman SHOULD kill, because it takes away the most interesting part of his character.

People also forget Bale didn't just refuse to safe Ras. He orchestrated the train crash. That is premeditated murder

Also remember canonically Bats Shot Darkseid Dead

@@craftymasterproductions4218 but still that alone doesn't really explain how BvS failed to click they are mostly IMO because WB Rushed their Cinematic Universe right down to the Running time and BvS doing way too much in a single movie, it has to explain Broken Batman, Superman currently, Wonder Woman, Lex and Doomsday then the Sequels. (Yeah Bats killed before and people were upset but the difference is Bats 86 is still reguarded as a Classic BvS isn't)

Those videos are excellent!

@@LoverboyMedia For the record, both Snyders Superman and Batman are actually comic accurate... just depends on the comic. Man Of Steel is a straight up adaptation of Superman: Earth One, which was a more serious and "realistic" take on Superman.

@@SA80TAGE Thank you my friend now I can rest easily

@@SA80TAGE God, I love Earth One so much

@@Merdicano Same here, it's my favourite Superman storyline since they treat him as more than a power set with a smile, he's an actual man with doubts, fears, hopes... struggling to find acceptance and his place in a world that will never truly understand him. Only thing they really changed for the film was the jobs he goes through and the enemy being Kryptonians to make it an even more personal story for Clark (even then, the enemy alien motivation is still the same since they are seeking the last kryptonian and even address the world in the same manner). I can only laugh at "Superman fans" who hate the movie while claiming to be comic nerds since it's obvious they don't read any. I remember the Nostalgia Critic/Angry Joe review, both claiming they are comic fans, never once mentioning Earth One and acting like MoS is some new take never seen before lol. Fuckin pretenders. I'm not even a huge Superman fan or reader but I still know this stuff. Cavill is definitely my Superman.

@Tigar0422 Arkham Yes, many of you keep saying that about Batfleck, but Im pretty sure Christian Bale´s Batman portrayed that aspect of Batman way, way better. Heck, half of his arc in Batman Begins was about that, Rachel even says to Bruce in the final scene: "Now I understand. This is your mask (while she touches his face), Batman is the real person".

@@gabrielp9646 You're comparing the character development of Batman from a solo film to a Batman in a joint production. Do you not see the flaw in that?

@@gracialonignasiver6302 I could compare it to solo films like Batman Begins, Batman 1989 or Batman: Mask of the Phantasm, and the result would be the same...

Wayne yes. But not Bruce. As a famous person and a vigilante he has three faces. The one people see, the one criminals see and the one no one sees (except Alfred).

I really am tired of people gatekeeping like this. Why can't people accept the fact that Marvel is better for escapism and DC is better for thought provoking themes. Neither is objectively better.

@@big_tyler_m Objectively, no. But interesting, yeah

@@leonbrucekeller613 That is your opinion, which you are entitled to. I'm just tired of people acting like their opinions = objective facts

@@big_tyler_m I never said it was the best movie of all time, i said it's different than everything and that's why it's hated which is true and you can't deny that's really deep

Sort of but not really without cause, Marvel is making mostly main stream stuff for mass appeal so while they do create deeper stuff like Civil War or Infinity War they are really SFKids for the most part, DC was going to a more Teen, young adult so it has the luxury of going deeper in its themes without the issue of Breaking the Uninverse's tone, that was until recently for DC.

I don't care how much hate Batman has, I don't believe for a second the worlds greatest detective couldn't figure out Superman just saved the world from Zod. How does he not see a murderous alien came to this planet and Superman saved us. If there is a 1% chance he is bad I have to murder him? It just doesn't make sense. At least in Dark Knight Returns I felt like they were fighting for a reason. I just wish that's the movie we got on the big screen

@@faz6877 The point was Batman was too far gone and irrational. He's seen good men go bad. Superman is godly powerful and Bruce knows power corrupts. Those were the themes in the movie. Did you miss all that? Batman is at his lowest. He cannot be reasoned with. He made up his mind. The worlds greatest detective is also human and watch his building, with his employees get destroyed. Plus, Lex was provoking his anger. I think you missed the point. Or just rewatch the movie knowing this. It's all in there. When Batman and Superman face off, Superman tries to reason with him. In the Ultimate cut, there is a woman whose boyfriend (she thinks) was just killed by Batman. She says to him that you can reason with men like that. The only thing that works is a fist." This is all throughout the movie. Have you not seen the ultimate edition? It fills a lot of gaps and motivations. Batman was brought down to his lowest so Superman can redeem him and give him hope that men can still be good.

The fucking movie itself could have told you that. It's almost as if ... you thought what you *wanted to* ...

Your last sentence is probably one of the most important messages people in general would do well to remember given the state of public discourse, especially online.

@@faz6877 I think you missed the batman snyder made here, he's not the young year on batman or the detective batman that fights his rogue villain. It is that batman, but in BvS the bat is past all that, evidenced by alfred "Oh, yes, it has, sir. Everything's changed." and "The fever, the rage, the feeling of powerlessness. That turns good men, cruel.". Affleck himself said that when snyder cast him snyder describe the batman as "he's older, and he's really fucked up, and he's broken down, and he's on the end of a moral bankruptcy". This batman lost his first son-like figure dick grayson that's one of the reason he lost his way. Another reason is that the destruction the black zero event did, the buildings superman destroyed, he hated superman's guts, his employees are suffering, his business/building in metropolis is destroyed. Lex was playing a part in making batman hates superman, sending the red letters, framing superman for the capitol house bombing. And that's where the quote "Hate blinds us until we become the monster we grew to fear.", he was blinded by his hatred to superman, he lost his way. It's easy saying it doesn't makes sense, because you're missing the whole thing. Batman grew his hatred on superman since metropolis, although he saved the world but bruce didn't see that, he sees the destruction, the deaths, "That son of a bitch brought the war to us 2 years ago, jesus alfred, count the dead, thousands of people. What's next? Millions?" The casualties and the destruction, and i quote alfred on what bruce has turned to "Men fall from the sky, and gods hurl thunderbolts, innocents die. That's how it starts, sir. The fever, the rage, the feeling of powerlessness. That turns good men, cruel."

Not a masterpiece. Stop throwing around the word without any thought. Its lost its meaning when you use it for literally every film

@@bluefiremarkii not every person wants to be normal.

I think "Blade Runner" had bad marketing. Lots of people expected something like "Star Wars 2.5" because Harrison Ford, flying vehicles, special FX, whatever, and found a great neo-noir crime philosophical drama. It was bad marketing.

BVS UE is basically live action mature superhero version of INSIDE OUT's ANger and Disgust. while pete docter inside out focus on sadness and joy, Snyder put anger on batman , alfred & Diana and disgust on superman and lois.

Some movies are like that. The Thing was hated on too.

Same here. I watched it a few times since it released. Especially when the deleted scenes and the Ultimate edition finally dropped......it opened some eyes. Cheers

Its still bad ROFL.

It would’ve been if it didn’t lie to the audience with its title. And if it didn’t fail it’s characters. The film whilst good, fails in its concepts and adaptation or portrayal of the most iconic superheroes of all time, whom are batman, superman and Wonder Woman

Soumyadeep Das agreed

The Omega Effect - I might have to disagree with you on that! Their portrayal is like the most accurate ever! Wonder Woman, Pre-Superman, and with a Batman that was killing!

For sure! 100% masterpiece

No its not