Why I'm Skeptical About Judas - Luke Reacts 

"And when you're confused they're like yea that's because it's deep" 😂 So true Luke

Wonder how much of Chris Avellone’s work is still in it, he put 2-3 years writing into it quite a few years ago now

Luke hit the nail on the head. An established concept being verbally convoluted to sound novel. I hope it subverts those expectations. I think it'll probably be good either way. Likely not earth-shattering the way Levine would have us believe.

There's a saying in England, that a camel is a horse designed by committee. Generally, I think a singular person having the final say is a good thing. Everyone ends up knowing what they need to do, how long they've got to do it and it preserves a cohesive/coherent vision for the product. Most entertainment these days, be it games movies or TV, seems to be suffering from ever increasing budgets and creation time, and when they do release, end up being rather generic and lacklustre. I'd put this down to too many people being involved in the process. Lots of different people with different ideas will lead to confusion and a product trying to do everything and appeal to everyone.

I feel like you´re not understanding the Lego stuff completely Luke. I think this is different than just RPG with choices, cause this isn´t scripted by the devs- it´s supposed to be system which makes different encounters, story beats, music, gameplay completely individual to a player. That´s why he´s pushing that term Narrative Lego, we´ll see in due time if it lives up to the name.

The story of bioshock infinite made sense. You are the bad guy and the good guy. You need to die to stop the loop. If you can't understand it, that is on you. I don't have worries about his game. Gameplay is always fun, and at the end of the day he is trying to focus on story and gameplay focus. Creating new techonology to solve a problem that adds more depth to singleplayer games. That has more replay value and I am not worried.

I don't know. I've been burned with too many games. I don't trust any producer or Studio when they talk about a game. I always just wait for gameplay or for the game to come out to form an opinion

I agree with Luke on the one man leadership. I work in an IT company and there have been way too many changes into our project to a point it was once stitched together using one single thread. Then my senior who was made busy with lots of work, found out about that fixed all of the issues and we got flagged for it.

This game looks like Ken Levine saw Five Nights at Freddys and said, "I can do that, but waaaaaaaaay more pretentious".

they BEEN talking about a bioshock movie since 2011 the problem was bk then "we dont have the technology for a movie like bioshock" WHELP WE DO NOW

The film/TV specific term that you’re describing is the mystery box, which Lost is totally the stereotype/worst offender of

To my understanding from watching the interview on the Friends Per Second Podcast is that it is similar to Bioshock, but its more of a rogue-like in design. I think it'll be interesting to see how a choice drive rogue-like could be designed and play out. Also hence why he called it "narative lego".

Really want this one to be good! Looks like it could be interesting and it looks visually appealing

Well there is a fork in the road, go left 1 thing happens, go right another thing happens. At the end, it plays out based on where you went previously.

I’m CAUTIOUSLY optimistic about this, it looks good, sounds good, but I haven’t seen enough

Ken had one "miss", Which wasn't even a miss technically because the game was a critical and commercial success. Only in the eyes of the vocal minority are his games considered bad. I believe he did the right thing after Infinite, downsizing his team and removing any deadline. He clearly has an idea that needed to cook and I don't imagine 2k would have given him the time he's had if they didn't see the potential.

Complexity doesn't equal depth.

I don't think making a "same'ish" game is bad. As long as You iterate on the idea and this thing keeps evolving. From Software has been making basically the "same" thing for over a decade. Rockstar has been doing the same thing since GTA 3 also. Porsche has been making VW Bettle 😉 since the 1950s - look at them now.

I loved BioShocks story but took a few playthroughs to really get it. Like to get all the little details and plot points that made it deeper then I really thought the first time

A rule of thumb is don’t buy a game until it’s fully released and reviewers like Big Luke here has reviewed it. You can then make an informed decision to buy or not.

Another game i think has Bioshock vibes as well is Clockwork Revolution, i hope we hear something about that this year at the xbox showcase, looking forward to it, it looks really interesting.

7:01 Literally the movie Tenet 😂😂

Time for a new Bioshock Collection playthrough.

I'm calling it.... Judas is gonna be the equivalent of him explaining how his game works. And in the end, some random guy will pop into the story and shout, "It's been (blank) years, let's wrap this up and end it!" One ending! Your choices meant nothing...🤣🤣🤣

Is the BioShock RTX Remake still a thing?

Death Stranding was definitely novel and new in terms of no one else has ever made a Fedex simulator. But just because something is novel doesn't mean it's good/fun and CERTAINLY doesn't mean it's a new genre. I don't see any other developer ever making a game similar to DS, so then it's not really a genre is it?

''Telltale games? What's that?''

I'd be skeptical too, that shit he pulled on my man Jesus was some top tier bullshit.

I think I understand what the "lego narrative" might mean if it is what I think it is. But I do want to say that if its anything like what I'm about to say It'll require very good writers and its gonna be one hell of a thing to make. So hearing how he insists it's NOT just like any RPG where certain paths get locked behind certain conditions (Basic scripting), this means that the game isn't really linear but more like small pools of events that could happen in any order. No scripted pathing rather all the game has is a beginning and an "ending" which might mean that everyones ending will be different depending in the order certain things happened. It's sort of like how some authors write stories in a way where if you start reading from the end to the beggining you end up with a completely different story then if you read it normally, there is also a case where this one anime I remember seeing where like depending which episode you watch first determines the story you get and the ending changes a lot. On top of that add stuff like NPCs remembering certain actions you made thus determining whether they help you out or not, event pools being locked if conditions aren't met or others opeing up depending on conditions or the order events have played out, how maybe you can potentially end up with a short playthough cause you fucked up or a super long one by accident, someones finale could potential a short stepping stone in your playthough, etc. The replayability for something like that could be endless. But once again in order for that to properly work and make sense you have to have really REALLY good writers to be able to tell a story in parts and leave it open ended enough (While simultaneously keeping it closed enough that if it becomes the ending it doesn't feel like something is missing) with out depending on other events to happen or have happened (And for it to make sense cause like you mentioned doing the "its just deep" isn't gonna work here). It's like having a jar of marbles and then you empty the jar on the ground thus having the marbles roll around randomly, one marble is specifically the beginning (This is the one you pick up first no matter what) meanwhile there isn't a marble for an actual ending and your playthough is just you picking up the marbles in any order you want until there are no more marbles to pick up, that last marble would technically be your "ending" and if you lost a marble or 2 during the processing of spreading them around the ground then you don't get to see those in your play through. But thats just what I thought when he mentioned how its just legos or "blocks", and isn't suppose to be like any other RPG. I am most likely wrong and everything I just said is bull shit but whatever. We'll know what he means once the game comes out.

Didn’t Lost become like that because of the writer’s strike at the time? I’m curious if anyone has more info because I feel like I learned that last year during the 2023 strike

Oh noooo... I've heard this exact thing so many times... You will ALL have a different experience. I am hopefully only because Bioshock was and still is a goood trilogy... but it's been awhile.

I see where you are going. If Bioshock Infinite's story was already too much of a cluster with time travel and alternate dimensions on a Steampunk settings... what's a story set on future with space and magic going to be like?

It’s almost always a red flag when developers can only describe their games with generic marketing terms and not with clarifying gameplay specifics

Lol “effectively the same thing” yes and this is why I hate Kojimas writing and can only laugh at his games when people tout then as so deep.

BioshockLoop

Complicati-talk

What about todd?

Looks so much like Bioshock, especially the shotgun which looks almost identical to the B1 shotgun. That actually has me more hyped, defo keeping my eye on this one.

Should i get System Shock remake?

these kinds of games most times seem to drop the ball with procedural generation

wow this game looks awesome.

This is Death Loop framed differently let's not get confused here people.. But it will be what we hoped Death Loop would be.

Is this bioshock sequel??

Mafia 3 has this “narrative legos” premise but the gameplay was too repetitive . Love the story and characters but come on LOL

I’m skeptically on your tax returns👀

So theres no real story? This procedurly generated stuff has the potential to fall apart.

You’re skeptical about every game lol

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Luke wtf is up with these weird ass bots in these comments

I’m 100% in agreement with Luke. When devs do their own thing it’s usually ALWAYS worse than what they’re trying to emulate.

Characters and story looks like trash

Bioshock inifiite is a bad game.

It's in first person, pass.

This game is going to flop and not live to the expectations. The game looks to cartoonish, especially the enemies. Where is that scary Bioshock 1 vibe?

I’m skeptical bout anything ken does he’s been making the same game but worse and more dumbed down since 1999 system shock 2 his best game and most those gameplay ideas wasnt kens! People don’t realize kens more of a narrative guy than gameplay that’s why his gameplay gets worse and more dumbed down with every game he even uses the same boring done to death art style every game. Prey 2017 is better than anything’s kens made apart from system shock 2 which again gameplaywise ain’t really mainly down to ken like I said kens thing is story