Why I Switched To 40 

Im saying why hate 40 s&w

@@kktyler8887 i know, so sick of the 9mm fanboy .40 s&w haters

@@ethanmac639 i love my 40s&w

Funny thing is a lot of 9mm boys have never fired a .40... they watch James Yeager and jump on the bandwagon..

@@pabloescobar7802 I’m not a fan of Yeager. I am oddly fascinated by his hate for .40 S&W videos.

Underwood 40s&w 155gr xtp load at 1300fps!!! About 580ftlbs of energy

@@Wildwestwrangler wow that Underwood ammo sure is hot hey

@@ethanmac639 yep, but it's still within saami spec

@@Wildwestwrangler nice, i think Underwood ammo is the best on the market

They don't want to look like a bitch because they can't handle the 40. It exposes their piss poor performance. There is not enough difference in recoil to make a difference in performance, but it is the same as the trigger problem. A real OEM trigger exposes a lack of practice and skill. Gotta fuel that ego, even if it mean vilifilying and demeaning something. Oh and the cost of ammo isn't too important because the same people batching about price are now gladly paying more for 9mm than what you'd pay for 357sig. Cut the shit with the affordability, especially when you don't use that benefit to actually practice. That extra money just goes to gear and gadgets that do nothing to improve your capability. Other than that I have no opinion.

Agreed. What amazes me is the vitriol over ANY caliber. I dont care what other people choose to shoot, or their reason why. Especially when it becomes an attack on youtube. I cant figure out why every discussion on caliber/platform devolves into arguments.

Right. The 40 takes more strength and effort than the 9. Most people are weak and lazy, so they choose the 9.

@@webviking Agreed. I'm not a brute, but have no problem shooting the .40 out of any platform I've used. Its disappointing how so many jump back in fear of shooting it.

My buddy had a Shorty 40 back in 1994 and yeah it jumped a bit but I liked the pop and hit well with it. I wish there was more selection in smaller pistols like the Shield the grip is a bit thin for me but tempting. I don't know if Kabooms are still a thing in the smaller guns or not. Some say if you go 165 grain or 155 grain there is less chance of that happening. Thoughts?

There you go. That’s how you do it.. Make them other people get that...

@@workinmanworkinman3889 we can't _make_ we can only hope and pray others become as wise as us

And good training added with what you said and it's all gravy...😁

Right. The reasons people, cops, and government agencies choose 9mm is beause it's a weaker round and easier to shoot, cheap, and available.

Total truth dart 🎯

exactly. and those people are comparing top shelf exotic 9mm to old vintage, outdated 40 loads. compare top shelf 40 to top shelf 9mm and 40 will win everytime

Said perfectly. Just be honest about the reasons for preferring 9mm, and stop campaigning and telling.40 users they're wrong. Just leave us alone lol.

Good call.

It’s true like in actual reality there’s a slight difference. It’s not huge. Even with the 45 sometimes to me it feels smoother than the 9

You crack me ,true shit

Absolutely. 40 cal isent unmanageable, It's fine. Same with 10mm. Hell i was Shooting my dad's Smith 1066 tsw, back in the 90s, when I was like 10. And it was fine lol!! A 40 is pretty much the same as a 9mm +p+ round, out of a 4 inch barrel. Ppl these days are pussys. Thinking .380 is snappy lol!!

I applied some of that max strength vagisil to my wiener and believe it or not, my .40 shield feels like a .22 now. Thanks for the pro tip. 🤣

Or quit being pussies and buy a 10mm 40 sucks

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Dino Nucci more goodererer

@@rsuninv much more gooderer. I'd go so far to say it is easily the goodererest.

@@rsuninv , yeah, it is the most bestester. (My spell check is having a coniption!)

@@rsuninv more goodererest

And three years later, it's still in the process of "dying", though the guns and ammo are all over. hmm. lol

RU-vid experts is an oxymoron, Much like responsible government, intelligent vegan, or moral genocide.

Will take a 40cal over a 9mm any time.

Too few folks think for themselves. I love all 5 of my 40's.

Those people are idiots!

Yes, and "primers are so cheap now." Where!? Those were the days!

HK VP40 was also designed for the .40 because of a dedicated over built slide to handle the higher pressures. Also has a proprietary recoil reduction system.

I've never seen a proprietary anything on the VP series. Just overly complex and not all that well built. Id have liked to see the p30/p2000 recoil system put in the VP series. That would have been a big difference for me.

@@doitriteak It's a polymer bushing that rides the recoil spring and reduces felt recoil by 30%. Guarantee gun store owners think they're well built as are the customers buying them.

That is not in the VP series. I've owned them. That is only in the P30, p2000, HK45 series, and USP compacts

And gun store owners are not exactly the most knowledgeable folk around. Very rarely have i found one that can intellectually discuss the firearms in their store.

Correct

Chuke your short and weak 40s&w lol

@@rung1915 wrong

Dino Nucci ok lol

Right in many ways. The solutions to the .40 are a steel frame pistol with a 4.5" - 5" barrel.

When I was a kid my dad had a 10mm delta elite, a .45 cold cup, a .357 mag (6"brl), and his pet .44 mag with only 5 1/2" brl, and loved handloading hot loads. So when people call .40 snappy I kinda laugh, everything I shot was either a little more recoil or MUCH more. The .45 and 10mm were fun to shoot to me because of the light recoil! It also helps that I lift weights and do heavy manual labor, so big forearms=strong grip. (which are attached to large heavy arms and shoulders) I can't understand why a man wouldn't want to have some strength, so the snappiness shouldn't be a problem for anyone.

I bought my son a DC Capitol police trade in .40 Sig 229 with night sights for $299 back in 2019. Awesome gun. I wish I bought 10 now

Get a glock 27, or 23 and just do a barrel swap, you can have both!

That's not true. Your opinion fine but not true for all shooters.

Which is exactly why I started shooting with 12 gauge. And im glad I did. It desensitized me to heavy recoil so much so to the point where I love shooting big, heavy calibers that pack a mean punch. So when I finally got to the .40, I fell madly in love with it. And still am to this day.

Me too. My first pistol was a 1911

Not much difference with a full size pistol. With a sub compact .40 vs 9mm it is more noticeable, but still not bad though

@@matthewhartup941 I’m 19 and having shot a glock 43 and a 27 I can’t even tell a difference personally but maybe that’s just me

I totally agree with you...I also have a couple of Berettas in that category (PX4 Storm rotating barrel and 96G. 40 Sw gets a bad reputation because most 40 SW polymer guns are primarily a 9mm platform with a 40 sw barrel.

I have the full size HK USP .40 S&W and it runs like a dream.

Yep, have an HK VP40, runs great.

@@draugaman2332 I truly believe that HK is one of if not the best in the business. Peace To All!

Exactly. Glock gave .40 a bad reputation because back in the day they wanted to beat Smith and Wesson to market with a gun chambered for .40 S&W. In their haste they just rechambered the G17 for .40 and didn’t make any other design changes to accommodate the higher pressure. So...the .40 beats the shit out of *Glocks*

Shootin' with Uncle Dan Sounds just about right. 😂

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I especially agree with #1!

@@MrJonrocker Well...you know I agree with about 90......no more like 80% of what Yeager says! I think he is leveled headed dude. I think he just spews crap mostly to get attention😀

Yeah, I'm looking at the VP40 soon after I get a rifle before Joe Hiden tries stealing our rights again.

I tested 124+P Golden Sabers against 165 Golden Sabers in .40. In bare media a bunch of years ago. Expansion was 0.65 vs. 0.67, and penetration in ballistic gel was calculated to being 14.4 and 14.6 inches, respectively, 9 and .40. Very slightly better for .40, but not enough to make any difference. I also shot through four and even eight layers of denim. They both did fine through 4 layers, but when I tried 8, the 9mm still expanded fully (!) and the .40 didn't (and my notes don't have the expanded diameter, just that it failed). The 9's hollowpoint cavity was deep and long, while the .40's was essentially a dimple by comparison, so there was nowhere for the thick denim to go. That 9mm just wanted to expand no matter what. It is true that it would sometimes lose its jacket, but it was always after 12 inches of penetration (equivalent), which mirrors the results I see here on YT. Gelatin is really an ideal medium for bullets, and I look for something that actually overperforms a bit, since rounds tend to underperform in real life compared to gelatin. Even if the .40 expanded as readily as the 9, there's still nearly no difference in pen/exp to offset the additional recoil. It's not that recoil is hard to handle or scary by any means, but it does mean that in the same size/weight gun, muzzle flip will be greater, and that means longer shot split times (time between shots). I know a firearms instructor who was absolutely enamored with his G23, and he was very good at using it, but even he managed to hit 7 times with a G19 in the time he hit 4 with a 23. Four of the 165 Golden Sabers here does about the same damage as four of the 124 Golden Sabers... but then you get three more of the 124s. That is the rationale that makes the most sense in the move back to 9mm. It's not just that the 9mm is less scary to new shooters (solution: stop being a new shooter... which happens automatically with practice, which you need anyway to hit the broad side of a barn), but that the recoil from 9 to 40 is more of an increase than the damage done. How much one shot does is only an issue if you only have one shot... but you have 15+1 with a 22 and 17+1 for a 9mm, so you are by no means limited to one round. Shoot until the threat to your life is over, not just one and done. You'll do more damage per unit of time with 9mm than with .40 or .45 in a gun of the same size and weight. I actually like the .40 and have one gun chambered in that caliber, and I am contemplating getting more, but 9mm is still my go-to. For plinking, the more recoil, the merrier. My g20 is too big to really carry concealed, but shooting it is fun.

I have a M&P 40 with 9mm and .357sig conversion barrels. 357 sig about the same recoil as .40 only with fireball and loud. Best of all worlds, like going to range with 3 pistols. Good video btw!!

"40 launches a heavier bullet to the same speeds as a 9mm" That is a fact that so many people miss when they claim the 9mm is a faster round. Have they ever read a loading manual in their life comparing the 2 rounds before making this claim?

.40 objectively wears guns out faster. Lie to yourself, not to us.

@@donovanchilton5817: did you read my message? I don't give two s##ts what you read or your cop friend told you. I herd and seen a few 22's and 23's... gen3's that had excessive where from numerous Police friends and others. I DID MY OWN RESERCH!!! and have made mine very reliable and durable. Just because you don't have the ability or the intuition to make a firearm better don't tell me it can't be done.

S&W specifically made their guns from ground up for S&W 40 cartridge...not like glock and others who just used a 9mm frame...love the cartridge and I love my M&P 40SW! ❤

Wrong...the 40 caliber glocks use the same recoil springs as the 9mm...facts

Not true. Might want to look at the gen4 springs

@@doitriteak was referring to gen 3s...dont mess with the gen 4s 5s 6s 7s ...lol

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Several H&K guns use the same springs on 9mm and 40's.

But I like the pop of 40.

You are absolutely correct Bro

M&P is made for 40 cal. It won't wear down like a Glock 27

@@RegurgiNate84 I own a 27 and only shot about 100 rounds through it, will it really wear down? Should I just get rid of it for a different.40?

@@tyg9155 You'd probably be good if you just upgrade the recoil spring. I'm only repeating what I've read that other Glock owners have said about 40 cal Glocks. Maybe it's mostly hype.

It may be old, but it is still a championship contender. It's one of the best forties that I have ever fired and right up there with the 4006 TSW which is king of the .40 cal hill for pleasurable. 40 cal shooting.

@@robertrenstrom4668 I love that,gun

Agreed. He said mostly 9mm stuff ... It's like he forgot to upload the 40 part of the vid

I am responding to your comment on "wanting to take out a deer" : / LEAVE THE LOVING, PEACEFUL., LEAF EATING ANIMALS ALONE! IF YOU WANT TO " HUNT AND KILL" SOMETHING?? GO AFTER ALL THE PREDATOR ANIMALS! WE DONT NEED ANY PREDATORS IN THIS WORLD! BOTH THE ANIMALS AND THE PEOPLE PREDATORS NEED TO BE TAKEN OUT!

@@rockybalboa2526 nothing wrong with hunting. I respect animals and the role they play. At least they are not born to die in a meat house like cows

@@americanfirepower7294 The Role they play? They are Gods creatures that share this world with us, Gods children. The predator animals are not Gods creatures! the other guy created those! Obviously because predators only hunt, kill and eat whatever they kill. And its always something else that is living! : / And the cow excuse is just that! And excuse you are using. im talking about the choices you make!

@@rockybalboa2526 dude God created all animals. And the Bible says nothing against hunting. The also says nothing about hating on predator animals. And though out the Bible many of God people raised animals for food

357 isn't allowed at the cool kids table, it's trying to hard to be cool and they notice

Right. Also, for calibers bigger than 9mm, a pistol should have a steel frame - not a polymer frame. Poly frames make pistols harder to handle with .40, .45, and 10mm.

I like what you said about the "good old days", it's truth.

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Or a 165 gr JHP Winchester Silver Tip will do the job.

Yup. What worked in 1991 works in 2020.

@@maxfit68906 Exactly....

Do you get much flash? What is the recoil like with that slow burning powder?

@Allen Shaughnessy it should be 135 at 15oo a couple listings i believe went to 1575. I believe thats over 11.5 grains of longshott. I havent okayed with 165s, ive liked em light since before i started homerolling. Dont overlook nosler 135s they seem to do pretty well, xtp may be the standard but not the only name lol. Im hoping one day someone will make them hybrid cases for the short and "weak" id love to play with raising pressures a bit more

@Allen Shaughnessy theres a lot to unpack here. Loadbook data at their oal and a 4" reached 1500 fps. Across several loadbooks. You even aluded ti such in the previous comment. The noslers are skived. The jacket seperation has been no worse the the xtps, though i would prefer if they were bonded in the weight range. can still reach maglength though im not using spacious magzines and am a bit short of the saami max length, however im still a couple though longer then loadbook and trust the seating depth and crimp im using. If ya want cheap competition stuff move to some 165 ball or some sintered copper. That play nicer with fast powders anyways The hybrid cade would be nice but i have my doubts of the availability of something ive searched for but have not found that was made in the 70s and apparently has had production cease.

@Allen Shaughnessy could be interesting even if just under the historical context of it

Idk why people hate the 27 I love mine. Do you use grip extensions?

@@anthonysmith3132 yes i do. But i can control it very very well do the stock configuration 9 round mag.

And a fast burning powder. Or a fast pressure curve.

But 9mm and 40 are high pressure rounds. The pressure that is being felt is the recoil of the bullet not the explosion in the cartridge. If that makes sense.

@@totalnewb123 Compared to what? .45 ACP? Sure, but everything is high pressure compared to .45. What about compared to 10mm Auto or .357 SIG? Surely you wouldn't consider 9mm and 40 S&W high pressure compared to those cartridges which are rated at 37,500 PSI and 40,000 PSI respectively. Arguments that .40 S&W is "snappy" because it is high pressure are nothing but bunk. It has more felt recoil because it's accelerating a larger mass.

9mm +p has 37,000 and +p+ even 39,000. So 9mm is the round with higher pressure.

What was the cost per round for those black talons? Saw some on ammoseek during the height of the pandemic & they were going for $10 per round.

@@carlosdaniels9515 I picked up these for $40 a box, but doing more research they are Winchester SXT, which are now Ranger T