The video game Ghost Recon Wildlands "hardest mode" includes dropping mags instead of retaining that ammo. Players very quickly find out how fast they run out of freedom seeds reloading after 10 rounds.
@user-cv8qe9ru8c lol I know. But for shooting 10 rounds and then tossing the other 20 for an impulsive top off, that seems like a reflex only California's rifleman would acquire....10rd mag limits and all
Its all about context. If im in CQB sure or in a CCW context then i probably wont be retaining those mags but if im out in the feild the extra half second it takes to put a mag in a dump pouch isn't really gonna matter.
I read something in like Gung Ho, 40 years ago, a story about a Marine who went out looking for VC with a Special Forces unit , and he said something about picking up the mags the SF guys kept dropping when empty....for some reason I have always remembered this
I never liked the whole "disposable" concept when it comes to magazines, especially with living in Maryland. Standard capacity is perfectly legal to own and use but you can only buy / sell / trade 10rd magazines in state. I've made some pmags almost last to their third re-guts, "new spring & follower". The most reliable magazine I've used so far has been a pair of SS duramags sold by SOLGW. Both have seen thousands upon thousands of rounds and still have a spring within measurable spec. I believe SOLGW had a limited run where they teamed up with the dude from sprinco and duramag.
@@paladin556 I have a dude that sends magazine kits directly to my door now. Before I found the dude online I actually used one of my co-workers that lives in WV. Ordered it to his door and they somehow legally made it into Maryland 😉
Great video, good points. Dropping mags is pure LARP and a perversion, basically civilians pretending to be some kind of Tier 1 special forces seal team 6 high speed low drag larper.
Excited Marine, "I got it right." Older, wiser, Marine."Now, train until you CAN NOT get it WRONG" been awhile since I heard it put in the times I got it wrong, as opposed to I've done it right a million times. Well played Marine.
Good video! I emphasize practicing retention reloads, especially in awkward poses/positions like prone or leaning against cover. Far more practical than "face the target and speed reload". Interesting point about having a dump pouch by your mag pouches instead of in the back. I have mine on my back left, left of my mag pouches, perhaps not ideal but I don't have a lot of space on my belt.
I also use the condor one and have it situated around the same spot it can be folded and if you run it on a belt you can fit one of the single fast mag holders between its attachment points allowing that first reload to be very accessible on the beltline. The dump pouch can be useful as a forage bag in activities outside of using the rifle.
That’s what everyone I’ve talked to said as well. Clear a structure or whatever, get in a short gunfight, retention reload when it’s calmed down and move on to the next room
The one thing you learn from these wars kicking off all over the world, is that no one cares about reloading split times. It doesn't save your life or get you killed like people who have spent their youth playing CoD think. You're absolutely right, there are situation where retention is a no brainer, and situations where it shouldn't be considered.
Bro, I spent 18 years in the Infantry in both the Marine Corps and the army and can obsoletely tell you that operating a weapon in a stressed environment is 100% gross motor skills. Magazine retention is 100% necessary. I used a dump pouch for over 10 years and never had a problem. Those that experience it as a problem is because they cant think outside the box and cant process simple gear changes that will enhance their abilities.
If they are gross motor skills only, how does anyone hit a button right, feel for a pouch, or aim steady and pull the trigger or manipulate safeties, radios, etc? The issue is that weapons handling is a fine motor skill and your body will default to your long term memory and most consistently rehearsed procedure based on the stimuli. Check out "hitting in combat" by Dustin soloman. Police officers deal with this all the time due to poor training volume and quality. If shooting and weapons manipulations were a gross motor skill, this wouldn't be an issue.
Outside of cqb if you don't have time to retain a magazine you're fucking up. I think the Magpul dynamics era of fast shooting, fast reloads, and fast edits has convinced a lot of people tossing mags is the default
Problem with dropping mags as a Mini 14 user at the moment is magazines are $30 bucks a piece and I only have 5 at the moment... I'll take the extra 2 seconds and keep the magazine, because I don't have a world class logistics sytem to back me and also if you leave magazines behind, they can be hypothetically booby trapped. My grandpa who was arvn told me about them at somepoint. As a dump pouch, I currently use a 200rd eagle industry saw pouch which also can serve as a GP pouch on my plate carrier
Didn't even know these had a name but I've been practicing retention reloads for a long time now. Altough without the mag dump pouch and repurposed gucci bags glued together as load bearing gear. It works though and one day I'll get myself some real stuff.
@@kerbalairforce8802 Active duty Army here, we're taught to retain magazines. No serious infantry unit will tell you otherwise. This is definitely some civilian nonsense.
@wisemankugelmemicus1701 you should look at the comments on my dump pouch vid. Guy claims he just claimed combat loss on all his mags and they would just give him new mags, no questions asked... HA!
PMAGS are only nice until they meet extreme arctic or high heat. The lips are delicate and I have chipped a few. The overinsertion-prevention lip on the 3rd gen is absolutely needed, but I'm either a Lancer guy if I have the money, or just a metal mag guy. But a decent amount of cheap polymer mags are good. PMAGS are the top in their polymer only category though, IMO
Unrelated, what pouches do you have on the back? I run 1 or 2 200 saw pouches rear Related, only m1 garand enbloc clips and striper clips are the only thing you can just dump.
I actually have to buy my mags. So I'm keeping them. If they break I'm stripping them of working parts and cobbling functional mags. I'm my own resupply so dropping mags simply isn't an option.
I mean would it not make sense to just leave a open space in your mag holder next to the next mag your going to grab then you could retain and reload at the same time I mean that's what I would do but what do I know never been in that type of situation
As long as it works, I don't judge. Plus, if I'm reloading, you should be behind cover, so take the time and retain your mags. I personally can't stand the condor dump pouch. I'm a fan of the BFG. I never had an issue even overseas, and I have it on all my belt kits
it would be possible if only the government would make us replacements. At least keep 2 or 3 mags in case. Fast reloads are useful during close combat where a fraction of a sec can get you killed.
One of the first things i wanted for my kit was a minimum of 12 mags, 7 on me 1 in the gun, the rust in the bag or stored, then im accumulating more over time.
My magazine pouches are there to hold onto my magazines and to keep crap out of them while I roll around in the dirt for potentially days or weeks at a time. Dropping a magazine for whatever reason means I am one magazine short next mission. I'll do it, but not if there is the option to retain.
I clicked on this video about to totally agree with everything in it. it takes me 1.5 seconds to reload my weapon. I have no idea how long it would take to go through the process this man is advising but I’m guessing about 35 seconds to a minute. part of being light infantry is learning to reload with incredible speed where you’re at. and you just scream reloading so you’re teammates know to not count on you for covering fire.
you can't dispose your mags and expect to find more. you have to assume you're going to run out, always. never Assume you'll get more. Anything in your kit that is expendable is a liability when it comes to survival and combat (and that includes batteries, ammo, food, water, etc.).
Over the years I've accumulated around 400 magazines. That's enough for about 10,000 rounds. If fecal matter collides with a centrifugal oscillator odds, are I won't live long enough to use all of that. My mags are disposable. My mags hit the ground. I train as I fight. I don't give a crap about finding a baggie when party favors are flying. I can pick mags up when range day is over, since it's my backyard. Since you don't think training mags are a thing should we skip shooting paper and steel targets, and go straight for people?
You're reaching....cute. 400 mags isn't something to brag about. That is a testament that you're a gear collector instead of a skill collector. At least you understand your limited skills won't get you far. Your suggestion about shooting people is immature and a testament to how stupid you sound. Comparing leaving your mags at the range to shooting real people are not comparable. A procedural concept that has consequences versus shooting innocent people. You are a problem.
9:38 If a empty mag doesn't fall free from your gun when you hit the release, you need a new mag. Don't run those. It may be good for training purposes but that is it. Any mag should fall free.
hahah good old MEtube killin it with funny rec's lately.. good to see someone still rockin some 'Nam to Blackhawk Down kit with canteen. hopefully you got the canteen cup in there so you can cook your K-rations. keep em on their toes killer!
Ever since I've been a teenager I've thought that those speed-reload videos are kinda pointless. Even back then I learned from airsoft that those engagements where you get close enough for the speed reload to be truly viable you're in a situation where you're lucky if you even get to reload. A far better reload skill test would be doing a handful of retentive reloads and counting their average time.
Lmfao practice what you preach before you start talking SHIT!!! I laughed so hard I couldn't imagine leaving my mags anywhere fuck that unless of course I don't have a choice
Lmao nah, after reading house to house if David Belavia didn’t have those mags he retained in his dump he would have been killed. Keep your mags if you can.
hey my brotha , i am a new sub for ya here n i am a u.s. marine vet here 93' to 97' active ! n only havce email here ! , def. wanna talk moren LOVE talking gear n military n tactical stuff here allday , thanks n talk soon > tom !
@@doitriteak fr tho Do you have any combat or law enforcement experience??? I’m getting real tired of these “x will get you killed in shtf” videos from unqualified couch commandos.
@@doitriteak if you addressed it in the video drop a time stamp so I can listen Not just you but anyone else who does these videos with “I’m so and so and I have x number of years of experience in x” otherwise people feel like you’re just another Joe blow talking on something you’re not qualified to talk about
The thing about super fast reloads is that it doesn't hurt you at all to practice & get consistent with doing them since you have the gun, you probably have the time, & you probably have a place to do it at and the other thing is since people are all over the place with what they know when it comes to this stuff, expecting a guy to know more about tactics or whatever over gun handling when he just got into it or started taking it seriously is kinda stupid. If you're seeing nothing but "fast reload, look around, fast reload" or whatever will get you kilt in da streetz when you're at the point where you wanna learn about other stuff, maybe you should try harder to find stuff that you're interested in instead of wasting your time watching videos debating retention or no retention or fast draws when a guy is on top of you or timing it when his attention is divided or whatever. Haven't seen any of the other videos you may or may not have, but hopefully you make videos teaching people what you think they should learn about instead or what they're asking you to teach them. Have a good one everyone 🤙🏻
