I've worked at tech start ups, finance and now back at a tech company, I noticed that many of my fellow East Asians aren't interested in moving up in the corporate ranks. The ones that do are the vocal and assertive ones and many of them did get the promotions. On the other hand, many of the Indian and/or Indian Americans, they're very social and willing to be part of anything within the company. I had to change my behavior at work in order to move up to where I am. So, my advice to any East Asian guys who wants to move up the corporate ladder, get involved with your company's groups, be vocal and assertive. You can't be shy or quite all the time and expect to get promotions.
More Asians who are not Indian by ethnicity own companies and successful publicly traded companies. It's not a simple explanation that Indian Americans are more successful in corporate America by just looking at Microsoft and being lazy in topic research or the lack thereof. The other "non-Indian Asians" who are intellectually gifted, industrious, and "social" tend to work for themselves and run their own companies versus working for someone else. Hence: Yahoo, RU-vid, Zoom, Invidia, LinkedIn, OpenDoor, FitBit, Old Navy, DoorDash, Peloton, Pinterest, Twitch, LegalZoom, Opening Ceremony, Patreon, Care, SnapChat, BroadCom, Kickstarter, Siracha, Kingston Technology, Vera Wang, Sunac Holdings, NantHealth, ScaleAI, SHI International, MesaBiotech, MicroQ, MicroTek, SeaTrec, Em Cosmetics, Zappos, Office Together, NerdWallet, Deel, and the100s of list that goes on and on in tech, healthcare, real estate and development, finance, banking, retail, etc. Let's not even look at this at the global/international level - the separation gets bigger. More non-Indian Asians own businesses that employ more people. So, what do you value more, someone who works for someone or someone who owns something? At the end of the day it is great to see all successful Asian-Americans of all color, shades, and ethnic and cultural backgrounds regardless if they own the business or are in high level management positions. Let's not paint a picture as if one is better than the other. Dig deeper.
This is totally true from my experience as well. East Indians in the work place are much more ambitious, with that go getter mentality, and also more outgoing and less shy. Asians are a bit too introvert. Its also the reason why you see more Indian media personalities. They're not afraid to put themselves out there.
Answer is simple China focused on Manufacturing sector where as India focused on Service sector. Result - Chinese made China rich where as Indians are making West rich.
If only things were that simple. To become a world manufacturing hub, china pushed their women into the work force and implemented one-child policy. They will reap its fruit in the future, and their Population is down by 50% by 2100.
So true. And this truth is killing India when pitted against China. Chinese are very homogeneous race and a very disciplined one at that. While Indians look different.as you travel in India, in north people look white,in northeast India people look like Chinese, in south like black and in west more like Arabs. Food and languages are different also. Chinese very dedicated and disciplined fighting about religions etc
@@mehtar66 Well, black skin South Indians are doing a lot better when compared to other races in India. So, what do you mean by diversity and discipline?
Me too. I wish they stop being so insular and wish they are a bit quiet in public and don't cut queues, but i think chinese emigrants are pretty well adapted and cultured compared to mainland chinese.
Totally agreed on that, they are proud of the culture and achievements. India is also great civilization until the British robbed you guy and turned you into poor dirt. Both Indian and Chinese civilization are the richest before the western colonized the world.
I think you guys forgot the biggest reason: "The sense of adaptability". When you are born in chaos, you have to adapt to the situation around you. There is no other way around. The same thing applies when you are promoted to the CEO position. You have to adapt to the market. You don't adapt, you die. Indians are world-class survivors, you can also say that.
yeah, one more western elite narrative thinking all other society as some kind of savages and west as the only guardian of world order and savior of democracy giving moral lectures. Come to the reality kid, the Western culture is nowhere do even compete with more than 20,000 years of ancient Indian civilization. Whatever nonsense your movies or tv series shows, don't just believe it...Its the Human/family values that are passed on within families that makes child learn, thrive and prosper when they grow old. When more than 90% west are divorce what will they pass on to kid. Can't perform their own duties and responsibility and always run for materialistic gain to satisfy their own need, can only produce society with all kind of distorted woke ideology kid with false sense of superiority complex & when push to test, they puke and run away.
@@SeshiAthukam But China is much easier compared to India. It's one country one language one people. India is many languages and sub cultures and tastes. Imagine doing Marketting in India Vs China. What will teach you more?
Black guy here. I admire many things about the different asian communities (Mostly the model minority stuff), and noticing how so many successful people are asian has sparked me to study asians as much as I can and bring only the good things back to my community
They are cream of the crop to be eligible to come here. You just can’t jump the border wall. Just get this out of your mind that all Indians successful and smart
@@mehtar66 Why discourage someone if they are interested in learning about the valuable aspects Bharat has to offer? Let them explore and learn. It's hard to understand why someone would take the time to type and spread negativity.
@mehtar66 I thought I was the only one who recognized this. The US immigration system filters migrants to have good education and or money. It's the same for all immigrant groups, but for Latinos and Africans this effect isn't easily seen. Indians in the UK are more likely of a lower economical class so their experience is very different from Indians in America.
Indians are argumentative and analytical . So at a meeting we like to talk. We enjoy philosophy, and for us learning about the spirituality of other people is of great enjoyment. We approach people with certain attitude of acceptance. We do have discriminatory attitudes, but we seem to apply them differently.
@@harshapatil3497 And all 1000 ideas don't work . . . and that's why India is still one of the poorest countries, the dirtiest, with awful infrastructures, caste systems, etc.
@@rogerfaint499 offcourse we have problems. We are not hiding anything. Stop watching BBC, TRT, and Alzazeera channels. Wake up kid. At least do a little research.
@@rogerfaint499 number 1… idk where the comment you’re replying to got all that data Number 2… you are following some deadass western media biased asf news channels. Istg the “dirty India” you’re talking about is improving at much faster rate and it is on a right trajectory and is projected to beat yo “USA number 1” Y’all rather clean the streets of New York and build some bathrooms cuz I’ve seen people literally rubbing their armpits with soaps on your subway trains.
No, i would say chinese adapt more in the west but the difference is china are seen as villain in west, so obviously americans would be hesitant to give them CEO position and chinese dont stay in one job for long, they mostly go back to their country to start their own business while indians dont.
@@rogerfaint499 South East Asians stay in their own group. Indians in SE Asia so had to adapt to that. Indians in UK, US and Australia behave very differently than Indians in Singapore, HongKong and Malaysia
To all my Asians in the comments, let's not forget the Chinese (as well as the Japanese) traveled to India in ancient times to study at Indian colleges. It's well documented in Chinese records.
*Quality:* Forbes Global 2000 ranking - Biggest companies of the world - NO Indians companies in the top 10 or top 20 or top 30 or top 40 but only top 45th Reliance Industries. Top 10 rankings all dominated by USA (6) and China(3) and Saudi Arabia (1). *Quantity:* Forbes Global 2000 ranking - Direct extract from Forbes Global 2000: The U.S. leads the way with 611 companies on the ranking, and China comes in second with 346 Global 2000 companies. India has only 55 companies in that list. Enough of those coping excuses and opinions. Statistics don't lie and results speak for itself. China/Chinese > India/Indians.
5:15 The reverse of the Indian brain-drain is happening because of the stability and better poilicies of the Indian government since 2014.The situation is changing for the better.
Non sense. You have a couple of people coming back to head global capability centers and be a part of venture capital firms. If you think young Indians who are interested in research are coming back and people in non it sectors are coming back? That's a dream of another lifetime
@@GK-no6he No, they are actually coming back. Not all but most are coming to India after their education in the US. But still the no of Indians moving to US is barely 1% of India's population.
Ironically, the brain drain was one of the best things that happened to India from an economic perspective. Indians living abroad remitted more money to India than any other diaspora starting in the early 2000s. This influx of money coincided with India changing from an impoverished nation to a developing nation.
@yashnigam6 not really. Only if reservations were not as absurd we would be having these Indian ceos in India itself,which is a better outcome thna just remittances
@@RivanJD dude he meant to say that chinese are becoming CEOs in their own business and helping it in expansion while INDIANS are becoming CEOs for other person companies which simply mean they can be replace by someone else also although they may be earning millions but still they just work there not its owners
It is because of core Hindu culture taught right from our childhood in India....it keeps reminding us to do general good to humanity, to respect other religions/cultures/countries.... Vasudeva Kutumbam meaning whole earth is one family. This is what drives those individuals to lead others and become CEOs.
India is a military ally I know because I was in the Army and seen them come overseas to train on our Army bases. We would also go train over in their country too
I've only ever heard bad things from Indian cross training. Idk how much of it is true. Like I read from some navy guys the Indian navy literally has an unofficial slave deck. All menial tasks are delegated to these people who basically live in the lower hulls in near darkness and get punished if shit isn't clean or whatever.
...not exactly...hkers do well only when they have 0 dignity. Those who are submissive get to live and breed so they can pass these traits onto the next gen...sounds crazy but think about it..
@@cjyoung4080 They tend to adapt better and more determined to integrate in the culture… they have less of the baggage of 5000 years of history and ties to the CHINESE Communist Party. They are not exactly the Taiwanese or as Fung Bros call the Chinese Brahmins (which I think is derogatory to them. They worked hard to be part of the society) . You don’t see them reminding their children that they are the descendants of the dragon or flying the Chinese flag at every event. You don’t have “Gou Nie” here and “Gou Nie” there.😊
The only example of a Hong Kong-American I've come across so far who became CEO by climbing the corporate ladder is John S. Chen, at Blackberry. Any other examples?
Why ? Hmmm...the reasons are many . Let me quote Historical and Cultural reasons. 1. During ancient time, India was the Knowledge and Cultural centre of the world. 2. World's first and second Universities were established in Takshashila (around 500BC) and Nalanda (around 500AD) respectively. Students from China, Japan, South East Asia, Persia and Greece came to study in these Universities. More than 10k students studied in each of these Universities. So, if you see, teaching and studying is in our culture since ancient time.😊
1) Self-proclaimed "Knowledge and Cultural centre of the world." Corrected it for you. 2) Self-proclaimed 'World's first and second Universities" corrected it for you. Literally no evidence to support what you claimed. During ancient times, WORLD map was not even drawn and not all countries were discovered. Each country has their own version of maps based on their explorers. Yet, Indian claims to have be the "Knowledge and Cultural centre of the world." and "World's first and second Universities". Common sense refutes lie easily.
@@vorrdegard2176 During ancient times, WORLD map was not even drawn and not all countries were discovered. Each country has their own version of maps based on their explorers. Yet, Indian claims to have be the "Knowledge and Cultural centre of the world." and "World's first and second Universities". Common sense refutes lie easily.
China has been the center of the world in history. Until 1840, India has never been a country in history. If the British had not forcibly kneaded it together, the so-called India would not have existed in history.
I am third generation indian born abroad. You do have great point. But I would add, that Indian like the Chinese are sucessful in any country they immigrate too. Take example of East Africa and South Africa, indians immigrated there 120 yrs ago. The control most of the industries in these countries, manufacturing, tourism, retail. Another thing i would add is indian are very enterprenual and value education. Indians will make sure there children get the best education . An indian will work at a gas station as an attendent, one day he will own multiple gas stations, this is the case all ove the world were indians have immigrated. Look at indian sucess stories in the UK, Canada and Austrialia. Another point, the indians are very good at creating weatlh. You are only talking about CEOs. Indian immigrants have more combined wealth that all other immigrants world wide.
@@SeshiAthukam To achieve that objective, Indian govt needs to implement right policies so that NRIs are able to leverage their wealth to lift India... when China reformed in 1980s, wealthy entrepreneurial Chinese businessmen from Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand, Indonesia, Hong Kong, Laos etc poured billions of dollars in China to set up their factories... Why ? Chinese govt had the right policies to attract such inward investment eg: ease of doing business, no govt bureaucracy, prompt approvals to ALL FDI applications to set up factories, trained, skilled workforce , excellent infrastructure, easy availability of greenfield sites to set up new factories.... This indicates clear policy- objectives of Chinese govt which the govt then went into planning organising & implementation of their policy objectives.....this is where India has failed miserably..... Only in the last 18 months, Modi govt has woken up & made a start & began to copy what China implemented in mid- late 1990s & early 2000s...that's China's vision and & practical ability to achieve that vision.... Riht from independence in 1947, India had no such clear objectives, though to be fair, they produced lengthy planning documents on paper for its socialist economy ( a curse on India's humanity) but no leadership skills, no clue, no motivation to implement their detailed plans..... Even after,1991, when India reformed & dismantled Socialism, there were lots if restrictions on private sector and on foreign inward investment, in addition to a monstrous, nightmarish lack of ease of doing business as well as mind- boggling bureaucracy of millions of outdated rules & regulations which all start ups were required to comply with... It took 2 to 3 yrs to get approval to start a business in India right until 2021-22, whereas such approvals took max 6 to 9 months by the governments in China & the South East Asian countries...... What does this tell the world about Indian govt leadership??... lack of vision, lack of burning desire to lift India out of poverty.....yes, Modi has done immense amt in recent years : built world class infrastructure, airports, ports, rail transport modernisation etc... Butt, Modi has ignored urban- regeneration & redevelopment of decaying rotten towns & cities ridden with sprawling, filthy slums... India's education & health standards are abysmal.... spending on these departments slightly more than 1% of GDP whereas most S E Asian nations, China etc spend more than 4% .... to cap it all, there's no urgency from Indian govt to build affordable housing....this indicates that Modi is happy to let the slums of India's urban centres grow bigger & bigger..... The bottom line is that India has consistently lacked quality top leadership both at Central & State govt level since 1991 ( liberalisation of India's economy), what to speak of the 1947-91 period of Socialist Command economy ( Licence raj )... .No doubt, Modi is a great, visionary leader & a man of action working at relentless pace. But, how much can one one do or achieve ,?? Anyway, better late than never.....in the last two years, though much too late, Modi has realised & understood why 70% of factories owned by US, European & Japanese companies pulling out of China in recent yrs have moved to Vietnam ( key beneficiary) & Malaysia etc. & only 30% moving to India.... th Thank God, Modi has now taken corrective measures in this regard...these latest policy changes re ease of doing business, tearing up of vast chunk of outdated bureaucratic legislation etc....all these will pay a huge dividend over the next 4 yrs by way of sustained substantial increase in fdi year- on- year, thereby very likely create millions of new jobs....God bless India....God bless Modiji Herts, England 16.6.2024
The single most important thing you forgot to mention is that, most of these CEOs are graduates of IIT (Indian Institute of Technology). Besides super excellence in education, IITs teach and groom them to be leaders
And then u get these western university ranking with top 10-20 university mostly western university but can't produce single intelligent people capable of handling top position in most powerful & competitive business field.
I myself was very mediocre student in India but somehow lucky to get a student visa. I struggled academically big time here in USA. But somehow graduated with straight C in electrical engineering and even struggled in the working in the industry. What got me through was my hard work even though not very smart. But played by the rules, saved as much as I can and invested so to grow money in the stock market in became multimillionaire. No bad habits like smoking, drinking or other bad expensive habits. But above all GRACE of the lord was with me all the time when put my faith into him. Just a recipe for success if call that a success. That is what American offered even though I was never smart like other Indians. All my children have professional college degrees also. I could not have asked any more. THANK GOD
I think China has a lot of incentives that attract their overseas graduates to come back to their country while India seems to be doing the opposite where their people seems unwilling to head back to India due to unattractive job opportunities or wages. The brain drain is real.
In chinna CCP are everywhere u think India government kidnaps own people out of other countries if he did something government doesn't like then ok u can say that as u think 😂😂😂😂
It's quite simple, statistics. There are 1.4 billion Indians in the world. You can also add that in Indian culture, they push for high education and lean into tech.
There are 1.4 billion Chinese too, and they push the same thing so if that logic is full proof then why are not more Chinese on the same level per se? It’s not that simple.
China has 1.4 billion too so if that logic is foolproof why are not Chinese people headed in the same direction? It could be that Chinese are less trusted too as one of the variables. China is big on education, tech and culture. But their system does hurt their poor people who are capable but lack the resources.
Nah it's politics. They do not trust China because they are a rival nation so they do not trust Asians/ Chinese to run their companies whereas India is a democracy and allies with the west so they are considered more trustworthy
4:16 Well obviously India is more spiritual. Spirituality is one of the great aspects of Hinduism and spirituality cannot be seen in any Abrahamic religions. Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism originated in India.
@@serialconnection3771Yoga is actually a mental and not a physical exercise where you are not supposed to think of God, but detach from all your thoughts.
Not only Ceos but also the prime minister of uk ,,vice president of usa ,,whether it is IMF or world bank ..((Indians are becoming successful and most of they almost 99% are hindus it is because of the culture.))
@@SankarDas-nz4nh yea it’s encouraging. But use the brain power to lift the standard of Living in India, what the British did is still a problem today. Let’s do it!!!
Perhaps the best reason about the potential of Indian scientists and engineers was given to me by the laboratory director of an NTT (Japan) research center in Atsugi in a welcome ceremony to me, is that Indian religious texts are like doctoral dissertations in modern days that promote cerebration of multidimensional perspectives and self-motivated Indians acquire the skills from early life. Whether it is a CEO's job or a Business Processing software engineer's job (these jobs do not warrant inventiveness of a researcher) the ability to synthesize multi-threaded information is key to success.
Indians got in early with H1B Visas than other countries, and there's a huge backlog of Indians still waiting to get in. Meanwhile Chinese immigrants are increasingly moving back to China due to the increasing higher living standards in China.
East Asian men like Jensen Huang build American companies from the ground up, often creating new industries. Nvidia, Zoom, Yahoo, Garmin, Vizio, DoorDash, Nerdwallet, CreditKarma, Legalzoom, Broadcom, and Marvell are just a few of the multi-billion dollar companies started and helmed by East Asian men. And it goes way back: Wang Labs was a billion-dollar computer company before Apple or Microsoft were on the map.
Add this to your essay: meanwhile, Indian CEOs don't. Indian CEOs inherited a well to do company, such as Google/RU-vid, that basically monopolized the entire industry. They don't make it big from small.
Because of chauvinism and corruption. People are afraid to speak against their leaders first. Second socialism, our first prime minister ruined it for us.
Not really. We have been ruled by invaders for 1000 years, our ease of business is bad, and all go abroad looking for jobs and tesla, not actual leadership.
Bro! Desis don't support Desis. It's Telgu supporting Telgu, Tamil supporting Tamil, Gujjus supporting Gujjus, Punjabi supporting Punjabi.....so on and so forth.
I am an American born Pakistani and my work mentors include: white men, Vietnamese man, Punjabi, Gujrati, Tamil, and Telugu men. BECAUSE I find ways to be relatable to everyone. For example, there is this one super BJP South Indian guy, but he really took a liking to me because I confided that I’m trying to connect to my Desi side more and so he gives me movie recommendations and like to teach me interesting Hindi phrases. Despite his politics (which is his own business) he wishes me Eid Mubarak every year. With the Viet manager I had, I just took interest in his life story of coming as a child to the US during the war. Older men like mentoring younger guys because it makes us feel valued and gives us meaning. So be a younger guy that is worth mentoring.
@@x01021 I think the way the west views BJP is extremely biased. Most BJP supporters are cool with Muslims. It's a very small number who are a bit cray cray.
@@user-jt3dw6vv4xModi did not say anything like that. He commented on opposition parties who focus on giving job reservations to minorities based on religion rather than obc/sc/st and wealth distribution to poor muslims only. In UP, govt benefits are availed by all equally without any bias- check this fact.
Jews - founder of top companies Indians - CEO of those companies And both the races have a sad past. India is recovering . India was the richest country until the British plundered the country and it will retain it's lost identity.
In India they have the best Tec school in the world they have to compete best of the best don't mater if you poor or rich the school end up the CEO etc.
@@FromPlanetZX Show us why the IITs are better. The metrics in graduation rates, job placement, and income of graduates after 5 years are valid metrics. Sorry your universities are worse according to data
@@rainzerdesu students who got admitted in IITs are exceptionally talented because they have to solve very complex problems of various subjects in IIT-JEE exam....with respect to placements, indians are judged to be highly adaptable to any situation and very low demand to company...this way, company used to set benchmark of placement offer
India will lead the AI tech in coming decade and if u think in that English language will play major role while in India itself have more then a dozen of language...then i will only say good luck for the future.
LOL, what a way to generalize and insult Indians. So most Chinese are nice and polite and humble? Is what the Chinese doing around the world polite and humble? Their aggressiveness military wise, stealing of intellectual property, taking over countries in Africa and Asia through indirect occupation in the name of development? Please, the Chinese and Koreans and Japanese can equally be sh*ts and racists just as much as anyone else.
Indian people are hard workers but you have touch on how India has less opportunity in their country for talented individuals than say China. Like if you compare the amount of millionaire and billionaire between both countries the latter dwarfs the former. When all the talented Indians go abroad of course they're going to be over represented abroad. Just google global remittance (money being sent back by a country's expatriates to their home country) and see how India is by far the highest compared to other countries.
Most of the Indian remittance is from Indians working in the middle east, which is a mix of both white-collar and blue-collar. Since these countries don't allow immigration, Indians working there mostly just send their money back to India for investment or running the family.
@AsuraxManhua Most remittance to India from Middle East (UAE, Saudi, Oman, Qatar, Kuwait & Bahrain). There are highest number of Indians and also Indian companies
Read The White Tiger by Aravind Adiga “You ask 'Are you a man or a demon?' Neither, I say. I have woken up, and the rest of you are sleeping, and that is the only difference between us.”
Easy: it's about the bottom line, who is bringing in the most money for the share holders with the least amount of cost... ain't nobody more frugal than Indian dudes
im bangladeshi and honestly cannot keep up with indians. there was one day where i went into their supermarket and they figured my exact problem that i think is still helping me today, and i went back so many times i think i ruined their brand lol. but either way they are very good and helpful, they make a ton of high quality content online and i could factor in a time where they may be influenced by gaming too much causing a slow in productivity - but gaming is new.
One of my friends' mother was the first asian female to rise to the executive ranks in a govt crown corporation. She's from Taiwan. My friend said the woman was ruthless, though
There’s a huge brain drain in India because there’s not as many opportunities to thrive. Indians are ridiculously smart and hardworking so why shouldn’t they achieve their dreams in other countries?
I think the reverse is happening and will accelerate in the coming years. Indians who went to the US to study are coming back to India because they see the potential now.
It not about brain drain in India, India have so much talent compare to West that even an average India when goes to West, they thrive & come to the top...This tells a lot about the society in West & India and also about the western so called top University producing woke leftist people. And where there is economic opportunities people migrate, yesterday it was US today and tomorrow its India and many people are now coming to India as India emerge as major largest growing economy of the world.
India has generated the highest number of startup unicorns in the past two years, surpassing any other country in the world. Your data appears to be outdated.
India intrinsically is a land of seekers. Investigate and question everything. Find the solution points up, and understand critical failures. These are great attributes for business. Highly analytical and solution focused. Saying that, the Chinese are great innovators, fast action people, and make things happen. Entrepreneurs to the core. 👍
I don't think this will continue tbh, as India continues to rise, people aren't going to be very trusting of them. It sounds morbid and sad, I know, but look at the way Chinese people are treated as a result of China's meteoric rise. If you've been following what's happening in Asia in terms of geopolitics, you'd understand why things may change in the future.
Gotta give props to the software engineers from India. Can’t imagine having to learn another language to be proficient in a science. You’d think with that many, there would be a programming language purely in their native language.
I think the main reasons are geopolitical and geoeconomic. The rapid rise of China's economy in the 2000s - 2010s has attracted many Mainland Chinese who studied in the West during the 1980s - 1990s to return to China and startup companies there. This explains the rapid rise of successful Chinese companies in East Asia. It is also easier for Chinese companies to collaborate with big businesses in Japan, South Korea, and Southeast Asia. We do not see the same level of economic development in India during the same timeframe, so many highly-educated Indians who left India for the West do not have the same incentives that Chinese entrepreneurs in China have. Another point to consider is the fact that India is not immediately surrounded by countries with already dynamic economies to trade with. Pakistan, Bangladesh, Bhutan, and Nepal are economically less developed compared to Japan, South Korea, Thailand, Malaysia and Singapore.
These points are preposterous. Having worked with many Indians. They are very outspoken and can hold there own in an argument. They are very political and this is what wins among having a grasp of fundamental business and domain knowledge
There is even a book called Argumentative Indians written by the Nobel Prize winner for the Economic. And yes , we are very political, out there in the face, ready to discuss any ideas.
Jensen Huang NVIDIA founder is ranked the most popular CEO in the America, Lisa Su is ranked as the top CEO in America. There are not as many East Asian CEOs hired in Western companies as Indians in America but East Asian CEOs excel the most when they are CEOs. Also there are many East Asian companies that excel with East Asian CEOs. Not many Indian CEOs of Indian companies known in the world.
1 Hard working to achieve big 2 English language fluency 3 Best tech & management education from IIT & IMM in india 4 Coming out from competitive indian Environment. 5 Best brains from 140 crore people, 6 Family oriented life , low divorce ,its support 7 Easily Adapted to the new culture and environment and mingle people so easily. are some of the reasons for indian success in corporate world.
The CEO is just an employee. China has Huawei, Xiaomi, BYD, Baidu, Alibaba, Weibo, TikTok, etc. Fortune 500 per August 2023, companies from China are 142 and from the US are 136.
China got wealthy by providing slave labor to the rest of the world. Sweatshop of the world. And now India is on a similar path, just in services. No point in boasting.
@@Bluboy30I think the point he is making is that, yes there are a lot of prominent Indian CEOs in America. But mainland China has their own F500 level homegrown companies whereas India pretty much just has Tata. I can see that as contributing to more Indian CEOs in America - top Chinese talent stays in China.
Hello indians are talented in speaking many languages they grasp other languages so easily, also indians speaks native languages as per their own native language at home and local but fir outsiders who do not know our language they communicate with them in English
The first analogy that Indian support each other is wrong. We feel the other do that more than us. This statement was some like “the grass is always greener on the other side”.
Very nicely put together and objectively analyzed. Captured the theme and made it interesting. It's nice to hear how you guys think or see why Indians are moving up the higher positions and most of it is true the way you have described it. First time heard you guys. Please keep up the good work. Thank you.
They become CEO’s because you need to be downright COLD HEARTED & RUTHLESS. What their main concern is the BOTTOM LINE! Everything else doesn’t matter.
Good discussion here. I have exposure to both Indian and asian culture + 15+ years of experience working in top US tech companies. So i want to dive deeper into some of the points here. When US tech companies started looking for manpower in information technology in 80s and 90s India was the default choice as the massive population produced competitive talent pool who were groomed in the system inherited from British institutions. Those days there were not many Chinese in IT. However in the later days many Chinese started flooding into IT sector in US. So today if you compare Indians and Chinese population among younger professionals, you see even more Chinese. However, if you see older generation professionals Indian population dominate as they were planted much earlier. Today's executives are supported by the older generation supply of Indian professionals. Simply there are more older generation Indians in this sector besides other cultural barriers the Chinese go through.
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one thing that cant be mentioned up there but needs to be recognized, indian ppl's anatomy is much more similar to that of western (white-black dialogue) making them to be natural to integrate, while east asians look so different they need to overcome the appearance hurdles. like it or not appearance is a big part of success. screw political correctness
If that's the case then why don't Middle Eastern people dominate everywhere? Also most Indians we see in these positions are South Indians and they don't look Western at all, a least imo.
there is a saying in India -""padega likhega India aage barega America"which means Indians will study and work hard and America will progress as a result, Indians are happy making west rich whereas Chinese are dedicated to make China rich - as simple as that
main reason is that india itself a very diverse country so they have firsthand experience to deal with diversity, so when they go outside it becomes easy for them to deal with people from different cultures and this quality is very helpful in executive functions in a multinational company
Your last observation is really important (though most ppl wud not notice it). I study indian military history and have read biography of almost every General rank officer (Maj Gen, Lt Gen & Gen (Chief)) and the first credit they give is not to God but their wives who manned the home front, kept it at peace and the officer could focus on his work all his life and rose to the top slot.
Indians are willing to work with anyone regardless race, ethnicity and nationality from what I’ve noticed due to working with them within real estate in NYC. However, some East Asians (Chinese and Koreans) are not so open and can just let’s call it what it is be more prejudice and just stay in their little circle of Asian friends and sometimes white friends but in business one has to foster growth with everyone not just one group or two groups, especially within diverse companies. One can’t show favoritism either just because someone is the same as you (Indians are excellent at doing this and being fair but not all the time of course). Not all East Asians are quiet or shy, some people are just not friendly or social for their own reason that might not always revolve around certain teachings (it happens). I mean the British did rule over India for a long time too so that might have something to do with the way they currently do things or maybe some south Asians are just naturally less timid (although, some people are snobs too so a lack of being social and shy is not always it per se).
No, when I worked in a major Western company, the executive director was Indian and over the years below him the managers became Indians followed by the supervisors and leads and now interns. A whole department that was about 10% Indian to 90% in less than 10 years. Also what I witness is that many of the developers in my area are Indian and just about everybody they contract to are Indian from carpenters, plumbers, truckers to lumber suppliers, it's also cost effective as they use their own supply chain and support each other. So Indians have a high degree, seemingly the highest, of favoritism towards each other and this does lead to their success as a group in countries outside India.
@@downtomars6268 yeah, I did mention that is a problem too with certain people concerning favoritism, but I’m talking more about Fortune 500 companies ran by them where by law they need to hire diversity. Most Asians are very tribal from, especially compared to blacks and whites who are not as tribal in some cases, especially when it comes to hiring.
Along with Indians being more 'western', they also look western except with brown skin. I think looks go a long way to being accepted and trusted by the majority.
Oh pls, nobody thinks like that. They look western but with brown skin? Lol what?? So what about West Asians and North Africans, half the time they actually look white but you don't see them anywhere. You must be an American to think this way. If they were so Western-looking, why is the whole world racist to them? I've never seen a single group face so much casual racism before like the Indians do.
@the guy on the right, yeah the 海龜 thing is real. I've lived over a decade in Taiwan and also lived in Beijing before and it happens all the time. It's a great opportunity to move to America for school / early career, but that also opens up great opportunities to move back home.
For the same reason tim cook is ceo of apple. A company needs different characters for different period. In difficult times you need a steve jobs and in prosperous time you need tim cook who toes the company line and is not innovative.
Chinese/Taiwanese are well represented, and in many cases not only are they CEOs but they founded the companies they’re leading as well. Some of these CEOs: Jensen Huang, Nvidia; Hock Tan, Broadcom; Lisa Su, AMD; Eric Yuan, Zoom; Tony Xu, DoorDash; Charles Liang, Supermicro Computer. That’s just to name a few.
I have noticed that Indians in my company rarely talk to other Indians in their own language, out of politeness speak in English. Chinese always speak Chinese to one another, probably really annoys the heck out of English speakers. So generally Indians talk to everyone in English including to other Indians and always include everyone in their conversations. Indians tend to be far more equitable in speaking to different ethnic groups and are curious about them. Whereas none are curious about Indians!
Because there is no Indian language. Have you ever wondered why India itself, never have a single common language/culture/heritage that are spoken/written/understood/shared by all Indians other than the English language. Why? 🔀Because India is a made-up country that only came into existence by the militarily annexation of every single sovereign country and Princely states in the subcontinent itself. 🔙English language as the common language of India do not count obviously, because it is the colonial language. India do not exist prior to British India and before 1947. Year of annexation, followed by annexed territory/country. 1947 Free Kashmir from India. 1948 Free Hyderabad from India 1948 Free Junagadh from India. 1949 Free Manipur from India. 1949 Free Tripura from India. 1951 Free South Tibet from India. 1951 Free Nagaland from India. 1961 Free Goa from India. 1962 Free Kalapani from India. 1971 Free Turtuk from India. 1972 Free Tin Bigha from India. 1975 Free Sikkim from India. 2006 Free Duars from India. 2013 Free Moreh from India.
That’s because it wouldn’t make sense to speak any Indian language since there is no universally understood Indian language. Hindi is the closest thing to that but the majority of Indians in America don’t come from Hindi speaking regions of India, so English becomes the default.
But in the fortune 500 there are 135 Chinese companies and 8 Indian companies. CEO plays the role of house keeper rather than the real boss. Only about 1% of Indian can speak fluent English and most of the upper class and educated Indians need to go out to the west for a successful career, I think this is the reason why you don't see a lot of fortune 500 companies in India.
Disagree, I am a Indian raised in the US having worked and lived in India. There are many reasons. Biggest is corruption at every level. Second, Indians have a deep desire to succeed because of their environment. Being the largest Democracy in the world. People are allowed to dream big. In China you have to fall in line with the CCP. Independent thought is embraced in India. Work culture is strong. Diversity is unlike anywhere in the world. Sure America and UK have diversity but it's not at the levels India has. If youve lived in India you'll be exposed to diversity of every kind. Social, polical, Economical, Cultural, languagistic, religious, food, you name it. That's not the case in China. India having been invaded throughout history has benefited via diversity.
@@Dr.Mzungulet be real the Only reason India function today because the central govt is weak as hell ,and indian govt and media always wanted to compete with china why Is that is it because the indian are jealous of chinese system😅😅😅😅
@@Dr.Mzungu *Quality:* Forbes Global 2000 ranking - Biggest companies of the world - NO Indians companies in the top 10 or top 20 or top 30 or top 40 but only top 45th Reliance Industries. Top 10 rankings all dominated by USA (6) and China(3) and Saudi Arabia (1). *Quantity:* Forbes Global 2000 ranking - Direct extract from Forbes Global 2000: "The U.S. leads the way with 611 companies on the ranking, and China comes in second with 346 Global 2000 companies." India has only 55 companies in that list. Enough of those coping excuses and opinions. Statistics don't lie and results speak for itself.
@@Dr.Mzungu Have you ever wondered why India itself, never have a single common language/culture/heritage that are spoken/written/understood/shared by all Indians other than the English language. Why? 🔀Because India is a made-up country that only came into existence by the militarily annexation of every single sovereign country and Princely states in the subcontinent itself. 🔙English language as the common language of India do not count obviously, because it is the colonial language. India do not exist prior to British India and before 1947. Year of annexation, followed by annexed territory/country. 1947 Free Kashmir from India. 1948 Free Hyderabad from India 1948 Free Junagadh from India. 1949 Free Manipur from India. 1949 Free Tripura from India. 1951 Free South Tibet from India. 1951 Free Nagaland from India. 1961 Free Goa from India. 1962 Free Kalapani from India. 1971 Free Turtuk from India. 1972 Free Tin Bigha from India. 1975 Free Sikkim from India. 2006 Free Duars from India. 2013 Free Moreh from India.
Everyone knows China is levels ahead of India. This video is not about that. This video is about why Indians move up the ladder in USA. You don't see a lot of fortune 500 companies because India is still a poor country. Don't over complicate it.
25% of all Silicon Valley start ups are founded by Indians. China is just a much richer country than India with a better ecosystem for company building compared to India.
As a Indian-Canadian, Both of you are respectful. I agree with many thing's you have said and disagree on the others. My personal viewpoint, the world has to many people and they can no longer get a Show on representing themselves. Indian vs Chinese, White vs Black, this vs that, all pointless when there are to many people. I can go on and on... I enjoyed your show and you did very good at not offending... As a Indian-Canadian who has a Computer Science Degree/Unemployed, I can go hard on something's, but it's all useless now. To many people with power have taken control, were fighting a nonsensical views now.
Their culture gives them pride to be outspoken people. My culture makes me lay back even if I'm the smartest in the room. My culture ethically makes me quiet and just listen and talk when asked to talk. My culture wants me to be humble not to be boastful or showboat. So it's slow to progress. My culture have a lot of successful people but not CEOs. Indians are good in making ideas but not solutions. If they are, today in India 1% poor and 98% middle class. Indians likes positions in power even when not qualified, just like the blacks. The difference Indians got degrees. In the end both Asian culture agree in one motivation. Hard work.
Because India has 34 IIT universities and these are tech universities. The Indian govt established a nationwide government plan to send as many of its top students abroad to leverage its soft power. They built an entire factory of an education pipeline into America and built an IT infrastructure like infosys to recruit and send as many lower quality tech workers to America as possible. These are the top 0.001 percent of Indian society typically the richest and most affluent and from the highest caste in Indian society such as the Brahmins. Also geopolitical issue with China put the top white elites in America in a situation where they had to look for an alternative outside of China and East Asia to recruit talent. In addition, the yellow peril tropes that emerged out of Germany in the 1800s and become pervasive in America and its legacy is still potent to this day. White elites that own and are the power brokers in America generally don’t want to be led and under the supervision and leadership of someone with an East Asian or oriental face(derogatory term still used). The prejudice and bigotry is still very pervasive. They are still a lot more comfortable with a face from India that can pass either as white or Spanish/Arab or in some cases like mindy kalings brother as African American. If you want to get a glimpse into why the bamboo ceiling is still so strong and powerful in corporate leadership and academia’s upper eschewing I suggest you look up the Purdue chancellors mockery of East Asians in front of 10,000 graduating seniors. Keep in mind Purdue is a prestigious elite university and the chancellor isn’t some new guy. He embodies the upper eschelon of elite academia as his 30+ years in his position as various elite universities speaks volumes to this. If he feels perfectly fine to mock East Asian people and students in front of 10,000 people then imagine what conscious and subconscious decisions he makes about East Asians behind closed doors. And the fact that he says it so casually tells me that this mindset is intrinsic and pervasive within elite academia and corporate and tech elite circles and decision making board rooms. When it comes down to it, white people in elite circles do not feel comfortable in a society and industry where they are led by East Asian faces or dominated by East Asian faces. Call it the bamboo ceiling or whatever that is the issue East Asians are confronted with.
IIT graduates are not necessarily upper caste and from rich family income. Getting into IIT is tough, there's this exam called "JEE Advanced or IITJEE" which is like Gaokao exam in China. This exam is often cracked by people who are mainly middle class. Anyone can give this exam regardless of their caste, creed, religion, income. The top rankers will get the infamous universities like IIT Bombay, IIT Madras, IIT Delhi, IISc Bangalore etc. But not many IIT graduates go to the US only people who graduate from local universities in India go there for better opportunities as IITians are very valuable in India. Btw, I didn't read the whole para that you wrote.
Are you kidding me? The iit literally gives reservation to marginalized caste in india. Forward cast has to score way higher marks for the same seat. 1st do proper research before making stereotypical comment.
1. Is not true 2. Partially true with language only. 3. True. Most Indians stay in US for work. 4. Is true gladitorial is absolutely true. 5. True promotes patience, stable thinking, and curiosity. 6. True 7. True 8. True market/resource access 9.True- more objective 10. Married to a most likely qualified smart women. Very true. It is a huge factor.
I'm indian once Steve job said he would walk 7 miles on Sunday and this is his struggle While me walking everyday 5/6 kilometres from college to house walking in the sun with college dress on u can't imagine i don't even take water bottle with me cause it makes the bag heavy now think how much of a Jem i am 😂 sometimes when im late I go by auto and while returning back i come walking 😂 tomorrow im again walking for college u won't want to walk with me
If that's the case then where are the other South Asians in these positions, where are the Latinos and the Middle Easterners, both groups have people that literally look white?
@user-jt3dw6vv4x Indians have big Western shaped eyes and not epicanthic fold eyes like the Japanese, the Koreans, the Chinese, etc which makes Indians look less weird to Westerners.
if the color tone of the ceos in the thumbnails are a few shades lighters, they can totally fit right in somewhere in Italy. Also, think how many Indians, mostly, South Indians, are in South east Asia and how dominant are they in taking CEO positions there. In addition to all that, there are North east Indians, how come I have not seen North east Indian CEOs, not even one, are they also timid and shy?
Northeast Indians don't migrate out of India. They remain in India, same with all of the Himalayan groups in northern India. They just stay there. I only ever see North and South Indians migrate out of India, obviously this is generalised but it's those two groups that emigrate a lot.
agree with stats, but i do see NE indians in NYC indian restaurants as low level employees. But lets say at 1% of all oversee indians are NE indians, should we not expect at least one known NE indian ceo in the so called Western countries? How about the gurkhas, they are phenotypically so called East asians that serve in UK, I have not seen yet one Gurkhas politician, maybe they are shy and timid as well, or they are not into politics? I am more inclined to believe people trust people that look like them more than people who look less like them.
@@benwu4865 I don't think it's even 1% tbh, so it's rare to see them. India is such a huge country and when I look at the types of people that make it who are from India, they all seem to be from particular ethnic groups. I don't see anybody from Kerala, in southern India, in these CEO positions and no NE Indians or Himalayan Indians. I think it comes down to the culture of the specific ethnic group. Gurkhas can look East Asian but some look more South Asian, (especially in Hong Kong). They are Gurkhas who were part of the military, I don't think they're cut out for the role of politicians. The Indians that make it to politician positions in the UK all come from very particular backgrounds, especially Punjabi. Nikki Haley in the US is a Punjabi too. So yeah it's defs culture imo.
@@benwu4865 Also when you look at South Asians as a whole, it's always Indians, from particular ethnic groups, that make it as CEOs and reach those positions. So the culture, shy/timid, may play a role in all of this.
I wonder which is more impressive: 1) the type of CEOs who transformed a small company from nothing to a big company worth trillions/billions or 2) the type of CEOs who inherited a big and well to do companies worth trillions/billions?Are Google/RU-vid/Microsoft/Adobe/IBM worth multi billions/trillions before the Indian CEOs took over? Yes. CEO Jensen Huang had built Nvidia from a small unknown company to a trillion dollar company from scratch? Can any Indian CEOs do that? What are Indian CEOs? Guess what is Jensen Huang's ethnicity? I not referring to his nationality. I am referring to his ethnicity? *Like it or not, Indian CEOs are merely caretakers of very big companies but not innovators from small companies to big companies. These Indian CEOs don't make big from small.*
This is my perspective. 1) China is a geo-political rival to America which has its pros and cons. China must be such a powerful force of a nation for America to feel threatened this way. Therefore America and the west do not trust Chinese/ Asians to be in charge of their companies as they would deem them as spies. Whereas India is a democracy and an ally to the western world so they are deemed more trustworthy. 2) There may be alot of Indian CEO's but they work for western companies not Indian owned. They are making the westerners rich not so much themselves. Chinese would rather start and build their own companies and become CEO's for their own nation's companies. They would rather be entrepreneurs and not work for the westerners.
Returning back to India largely depends on their America born children. They could move out ONLY before children hit their teen. Once a teenager, children usually refuse to move out of America. Hence most Indians returned to India have children lesser than 12.
There are many East Asian American CEOs of companies that are not just worth billions, but are the leaders (and often creators) of their sectors. Nvidia is the biggie here, worth over a trillion. But there are many others like Zoom and Doordash. It's true that in these cases, they started the company. But Annalee Saxenian, the former dean of the School of Information at UC Berkeley, says that often this is because Chinese and Indians engineers hit a glass ceiling at their employers, so they leave and start their own companies. This has led to the joke that IC's don't really stand for Integrated Circuit; they stand for Indians and Chinese.
1. If you are overtly extrovert, you won't make it to the top. 2. Being assertive, driven, focused is not being extrovert. In fact, being introvert works more often with other qualities if you are in a startup environment. 3. In an well established environment (where manager to developer ratio is high ), groupism, the ability to socialize works well.
