Why is Stage Manager M1 iPad Only? 

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I don’t care for Stage Manager, but the external display not being scaled properly is simply unacceptable.

Renee, there is absolutely no excuse we we can't at least get external monitor support without the big black bars on either side of the screen (on the 2018 and 2020 ipad pros)

Man Rene, you defend apple too much, requiring M1 was a lie. We are getting stage manager on A12x and A12z iPads. Sometimes instead of justifying whatever apple does, they need to be criticised as well when they software lock features like this.

The Ipad pro is supposed to be faster than 90 % of laptops in apple marketing. Now this ''stage manager'' that these slow, old, and outdated laptops can easily do, multitask-stage-manager is limited only to the latest M1 chips. And you explain it so logically, yet I feel apple's marketing is misleading. Laptop-like performance but only on the latest Ipads

My guy, all anyone wanted was full monitor support. That should not require an M1.

Sorry, computer scientist here. iOS absolutely had virtual memory from the start. Swap, no, but virtual memory is different to just swap. For one thing there's the memory compression system which itself relies on virtual memory. Secondarily there's process isolation so that app A can't read the memory of app B. That's part of virtual memory :)

Nope, nope, nope, WTF was the point of putting 6GB RAM into the iPad Pro 2020? It’s utterly useless without adding the Pro features. Usually agree with you on this, but hard NO on letting Apple get away with this.

As an owner of a 2020 pro I’d be more angry if the whole stage manager thing didn’t look so convoluted anyway. That said there is zero reason why apple couldn’t have offered at least proper external display support to all pro users.

Rene, this video really misses the point. Totally understand the reasons why the m1 chip is needed for these new features. What is not addressed though is why did apple produce the iPad Pro 2020? Surely at this point they knew m1 was on its way - with all the features it could offer?There is nothing on the iPad 2020 that couldn’t wait until 2021. Apple should never have produced the iPad Pro 2020 knowing what was to come. They simply should have skipped a year. Instead they chose to make an incremental upgrade which led unwitting consumers to purchase a product that would soon lack features the new products would have. This is what makes the whole affair extremely frustrating!

As an A-Series 12.9“ owner I‘m glad I bought an M1 iPad Air and an M1 MBP. Shame on you Tim Apple! Btw: Apple engineers working sooo hard to make features like stage manager work on older iPads cause their families own old hardware‘s just plain BS.

Lets be real Rene. Do not defend Apple for its greedy this time.

Well this video did not age well since Stage Manager is now coming the iPad Pro 2018 and iPad Pro 2020.

They should bring external monitor support for A12X and A12Z with the restriction of 4 Apps running in total. I just want to use safari on the external display while using discord on the internal one.

Rene Ritchie defending the whole Stage Manager on M1 iPads only thing 🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡

Well at least we got a weather app out of the deal….Yeaaaa!!!!😭😭😭😭

I have no problem with special exclusive M1 features - if, and that’s a big if, if Apple packs a lot of features for the regular iPad OS - which is not the case. iPad os needed a BIG update this year and we didn’t get it, there seems to be a one year lag behind iPhone and iPad: iOS widgets & so forth - and this year no lock screen update/widgets ;they’ll probably come in iPad os 17. What in the hell is going on here, why are they neglecting iPad os - this was a big product when Steve jobs announced it and they seem to be making a mockery of it now, updating specs but not software. What’s the use then, you want us to stop buying iPads because your software team is neons behind?

Today they announced its coming to 2018/2020 iPad pros 😏😏😏

This didn’t age well. 🤭

It’s not that you said anything untrue. It was just a series of tap dances in defense of Apple. The issue us 2020 iPad Pro owners have is that it’s capable - multi-windowed, 6GB-or-less Macs have had windowing systems forever, and this is just a visual paradigm they could extend to us, for our less-than-two-years-old device. It’s also inappropriate that such a young Pro device would miss out on this entire paradigm shift. And yes, we know they aren’t gonna do shit. And some of us aren’t Apple influencers or having a company finance our hardware upgrades, so this is going to cost me at least a grand, because I was hoping to keep this iPad for several years and supplant my aging Intel Mac with it. Sigh.

This is why you can never take this guy seriously… Let’s see how he spins this Apple U-turn… what a sycophant!

‘Apple employees also have families and suffer for this’ Well, thanks for the great explanation. I’ll think about it when connecting to an external monitor with my 2000$ iPad Pro

This aged like milk

as of iPadOS 16.1…now that stage manager has been added to some of the old iPads…what’s your take on it?

Apple knows what they are doing by releasing stage mangaer and full screen on M1 ipads only. They are tempting more people to go out and by ipads with M1 chips. There is no reason they couldn't allow it on 2018 ipads and up. They should just allow it to run less apps at a time on older ipads. Also no fullscreen support on extrnal displays with older ipads is just laughable My laptop from 2002 supported extrnal displays at full resolution at the time I was using it. Apple is just being greedy with this one

Hi there ! My 2009 MacBook white could handle 1 external screen. It had of course limited ram, an old fashioned HDD … yet this could handle an external screen. I really don’t get why at least apple is not implementing a standard HD resolution on an external monitor (without the black side bars). This is really mesmerising. By the way, I have a 12.9 iPad Pro 3rd gen. Really disappointing.

Although I broadly agree with what you’re saying, withholding this functionality from extremely expensive 2020 iPad Pros, most not even two years old, has gotta hurt. Apple has never really set the precedent for withholding major features from such recent iPad hardware. In fact, up until this point, practically all software features have always been available on all iPads, even the cheapest and oldest. And while I’m not surprised or too disappointed my 2018 iPad Pro didn’t make the cut, this device still feels incredibly snappy, which makes me sceptical this couldn’t have been optimised for the 2020 iPad Pro if Apple really wanted to.

I LOVE how you manipulate language. So many laughs and smiles throughout most of your videos. Impressive!

Fantastic video Rene. Another one out of the park

This aged horribly 🤣🤣🤣🤣

This video aged like MILK 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Thanks for sharing. Blessings on your day.

Glad youre covering this. I have a 2020 A12Z ipad and i feel like i missed this feature by the skin of my teeth

It’s disappointing that such a pivotal feature is not available for Gen 3’s.

Excellent points. We (owners of old iPad pros) feel the typical pain of Apple forcing an upgrade. They could have created a limited version of it with fewer apps, those processors are crazy strong.

Me with an iPad Pro 2017 where touch doesn’t work 50% of the time… I just want the original iPad stability back. You can keep the convoluted windowing experience.

I would have appreciated it, if you also highlighted cases where people managed to activate exclusive new features on older Apple devices without encountering any major issues. Like, if the camera backporting from the iPhone 3GS and the issues with that get a mention, why not the successful backporting of Siri from the iPhone 4s to earlier versions, something that, at the time, like StageManager was deemed impossible by tech pundits due to the newer iPhone having "special hardware specific to language processing", yet ended up working just the same on said older, "incompatible" iPhones? Perhaps Apple as a for profit company might on occassion not enable features even when possible on a hardware level? It seems like that has happened in the past. Additionally, yes a cutoff needs to be made and someone will always be annoyed. Yet let us not kid ourselves, there is a difference between a single generation and a multi year old device.

I can't believe someone's actually going to try and defend Apple for depriving their flagship tablet from 2020 a pretty modest tweak to the user interface, which can run just fine on 2017 MacBooks running Intel chips. It's truly indefensible, and apples excuse about the technological limitations of the iPad 2020 do not pass the smell test.

Here’s a question - if you public beta the iPadOS version that allows stage manager, will its full screen monitor support work w/studio display (does studio display require an update first?)… how does that thing even update for users planning to ipad to it sans Mac? Doesn’t apply in my case, but am looking forward to monitor support and seeing how well it performs therein.

I will never not be impressed with your Brilliant transitions. Every single time

he is like press representative for Apple 🤣 tell me why did they didn't have external display support?

Interesting, cause Samsung Galaxy phones and tablets have been able to not only display full screen on external monitors, but run a separate version of the OS on that screen with multiple windows open, while simultaneously giving you full functionality of your smartphone to run multiple apps at the same time on it. (DEX) This is planned obsolescence, plain and simple. Apple can't claim that their chips are x times more powerful than their competitors, and then claim at the same time that their current chips can't do the same thing that 10 year old competitors chips have done for years.

Good video as always

what are the latest rumors around iPad? is it only the base iPad & iPad pro 12.9 that will get an upgrade? I'm planning to wait the new releases so I can buy the 11 inch iPad pro... will there be significant price decrease?

This is the part where you get called a horrible schill

Honestly, I saw this coming when the dropped the M1 iPad Air. I personally have sat on my 2018 iPad Pro for 4 years so I figured I’d be buying an M1 iPad Pro this fall anyway. I feel for the 2020 iPad Pro owners though. 😕

Swap memory isn't a hardware m1 feature. It is a software feature that could also be added to old ipads with an update.

Thanks for the clear explanation about this limitation with Stage Manager. Are screen scaling and external display functional limited for the same primary reasons?

It’s an arbitrary restriction to try and generate sales. It’s pure disrespect and unless sales drop we are going to see an increase in this from Apple

lol hello from the future 🥴

gives the reason now to wait for ipad pro with M2 :) I have the very first generation ipad pro with face id so far it served me well for years even until now.

Can it open one app below another app in portrait mode?( example youtube lecture on upper half and goodnotes on bottom half)? I really need that but splitscreen on my 12.9 ipad pro opens apps only side by side not one above another.

A jailbreak tweak called Milky Way 3 brings that feature to all iPads and even iPhones . It actually works surprisingly well on even an iPad mini 2 !! Apple…

It seems like a cool feature, and thanks for the tech splaining as to why (because I did wonder), but aside from running my M1 MacBook Pro on a larger external monitor (which is 98% of the time; graphic designer) or my iMac, I don’t think I’d use it much on my iPad Pro as it seems to take up too much screen real estate, keeping Split Screen and Slide Over the more Having gotten so used to the speed and convenience of full screen Desktop/Spaces with assigned hot keys for navigation between them on my Macs, Stage Manager would seem regressive.

Great video. My wish for the future is to see a MacBook that has touchscreen capabilities with a detactable keyboard running Mac OS. All the people currently trying to take their Mac desktop with them on an iPad will always be disappointed. By using the iPad as intended via the iPad only apps, users will have a great experience. I use Procreate with its multi finger jesters and I love it. Anything I do on my iMac or Mac mini stays there except for email and web browsing. My iPad will never replace my iMac or Mac mini. Plus anything I do on the iPad stays on the iPad. All the best.

Is the water you carry for Apple heavy?

At some point M1 will not be able to something that M3 will be able to do. This cycle plays out over and over in the tech space. The moment you check something out, depreciation begins. Yet many in the comments are spot on. We are not asking to have every single feature the latest chip/hardware has. To be honest, stage manager at first glance appears gimmicky. Side note, not everyone multitasks on the iPad. That is what dual monitors and laptops/pc are for. Unless it can be factually proven that removing the black bars on an external monitor can only be done with the new M1 chip, than our frustrations are valid. And not just with this example. $20 someone in the jailbreak community has a work around. They’ve had workarounds for years and Apple remains slow to the plate to swing and deliver. Despite all this, I am happy with Apple and I remain extremely frustrated at the nickel and dime game.

Apple this year: “iPhone 13 is straight out of science fiction” Apple next year: “iPhone 14 is 2X better than last year’s garbage”

also, with iOS 16 this fall, you'll also be able to use the Lightning to USB-C cable Apple provides to pair a Magic -Mouse, -Keyboard and -Trackpad with Bluetooth to an M1 iPad, and yes, TouchID will work on the keyboards if not setup with a Mac yet

Back in March I was in the market for an iPad. I purchased an iPad mini, then iPad Air 2020 version. I returned them both, for some reason I thought there is a reason why Apple added an M1 to the pro line, since it was only $150 more if you increased the storage from 64GB to 256GB. I decided to get the iPad Pro 11. It made more sense to future proof my purchase. That paid off. I just believe with Apple you should always buy the latest model. Even if the previous model is discounted, because it may payoff in the future.

That aged well

For the computer architects out there. Could this decision be based on differences in Translation Lookaside Buffer size or structure between M series and A series chips? I tried to look this up but I didn’t find a definitive answer. Also is there a difference between Intel chips used in Macs and their TLB versus A series that could explain swap capabilities and speed on Intel Macs vs. swap with A series? I would finds any chip architect input on this interesting as I have not seen any discussion of it yet.

Watching this on my 2017 10.5 inch iPad Pro

The fact that you say you need mac level hardware when the 2020 iPad Pro has the A12z chip and that chip can run full Mac OS in the dev kit and the A12z chip is very similar to the A12x chip which is why in the latest beta of iPad os 16.1 they added stage manager to the 2018 and 2020 iPad pros just without external monitor support which is fair because they don’t have thunder bolt or 8 gigabytes of ram

I’m quite disappointed you’re excusing Apple on this issue. We’re talking about a chip that was able to run a full version of MacOS. I understand your love for Apple but come on, this really negatively impacts your credibility as a journalist and creator.

Let's agree with you, lets say that stage manager requires a lot of RAM for multitasking. Why did apple restrict increasing the pixel density (dpi) to M1 iPads? This was one feature I really wanted because I don't need the overly large UI elements in some apps and prefer screens at high resolutions with lower sclaing for the increased screen real estate. I don't see how hardware limitations can be cited as an excuse here. RAM shouldn't be much of an issue here. Android phones from 5 years ago were capable of it. The GPU is definitely not a constraint.

can we use stage manager on ipad air 5 m1 64gb with external ssd

Will stage manager work on an Intel Mac?

Remember when apple sent out the test mac minis for developers which had a a12z chip? (with extra ram but thats all). They probably could have given us stage manager with full monitor support with the a chip iPads, they just didn't want to cuz people kept buying the older models

OMG another guy(to be exact the second) who gives excuses to apple for what they did with stage manager so another(the second) dislike from me...sorry Rene you are one of the very few guys on YT who gives excuses for this iPad mess...

Why can’t the MacBook Air and 13” MacBook Pro support 2 external displays in clamshell mode?

I get all of that. The biggest bummer to me is that I invested in the iPad Air 4 which has only been out for about a year and a half, thinking it would get the latest and greatest updates for years. Sadly it isn’t.

Love your videos even though I don’t always understand them. LOL I have an M1 iPad 11” Pro. I don’t see this as any different as upgrades for older devices however becoming obsolete in less than 2 years is disheartening. So can I assume, there will be 2 versions of iOS 16? I wish you could use the iPhone as a camera on my iPad.

Bad arguments to defend apple money minting technique

The only iPad Pro I have is a 2018 model, and I have no need for either stage manager or external display support. So the restrictions in the new features for iOS 16 do not effect me one way or another. But for those who do have the pre-M1 iPad and want the support for external displays: What kind of displays are you expecting to drive? The displays I have on my macs are connected via HDMI or thunderbolt. I have two types of monitors: Newer ones which need the faster connection methods, or older (smaller-resolution) ones which cannot connect via USB-C even if I wanted to. However, I don't really pay attention to what's available in monitor technologies. Are there many monitors which make sense to connect to pre-thunderbolt iPads? → Please realize that I'm just asking. I have no idea if there are lots of monitors which would work for that. I'm just thinking back to when I wanted to add some of my older monitors to my new Mac Mini, and I found out that I couldn't use *any* of them unless I bought an adapter which would cost at least half as much as just buying a brand new monitor.

Segway to Brilliant, brilliant!

it suscks that its only m1

My first PC was a Apple IIe but I had learned to program a few years earlier on a TRS-80 model One... I used the IIe for many years but eventually wanted features that the system couldn't deliver so I took out a loan and got a Mac IIci that lasted me almost 10 years. However due to business needs and gaming desire I built a PC (I had been building for others since about 89) in the late 90s. Shortly after spending too much money I didn't have on Dual Voodoo2 cards Nvidia released the TNT card then the first GeForce card... Where am I going with this? The bottom line is that if you want the latest features you have to upgrade... sometimes you have the $$$ sometimes you don't and you have to wait. That's not Apple's fault nor was it Nvidia's nor was it Intel's when I wanted a Quad core but could only afford a dual core... Of all companies Apple seems to want, especially the past 20 years or so, their users to have a good experience and sometimes that comes at the cost of not getting the latest features. I picked up an 14" MBP for my oldest yesterday at the local Apple Store and there were a ton of people at the Genius bar getting information updates and how to use their beloved devices. Many of those people have NO IDEA about stage manager nor do they probably care. They were using their iPad one screen at a time and happy with it. To me Stage Manager is the future... we have M1 Pros and Airs and probably M2s coming soon... it's just now being release but in the next couple of year will not only be tweaked to work better and become more stable but will also get tons of hardware support. I think as tech geeks we often forget that so many users don't think like we do, they simply want their device to work when they need it and for most current iPad users that's surf the web, pay bills, chat etc... soon the iPad will do much more and by that time some of those users will probably want more and Apple will be ready to sell it to them. It is eventually about staying in business but to do that I think Apple has to balance what we want vs what so many of their customers want... and personally I think they are doing a pretty good job at it!

Well, here we are now. I have stage manager on my 2018 iPad Pro. Which contradicts this news

Apple is sick because Cydia actually gave us smooth running floating windows about 8 years ago so it shouldn't be difficult for iPad to run stage manager on a far more power iPad device

Remember that the iPad Pro 2018 has 4GB of ram until you get the 1TB option which has 6GB of ram. That is only 2gb off so it can clearly run stage manager even if it is limited to 2 or 3 apps. And all the iPad Pros 2020 has 6GB of ram so THAT is enough to run stage manager. Apple also talked about the M1’s even if you have the 8gb model it will use storage so it basically will have so much ram. Due to the fact that M1 is based off of A12X/A12Z and it even looks and has the same dimensions. Apple can clearly let the storage to ram option (memory swap) for older iPad pros and we technically would have so much more ram.

Stage manager is not that great resourse as everybody is saying. I will not buy a new IPad only to use it. The only reason to limit to M1 is to force you to buy one.

You really tried to slide that ad in but can sniff an add from a mile away

stage manager could’ve been a killer feature for the iPad mini tbh

This discussion is really annoying! Last year they were complaining that the IPad Pro was overpowered and that the software did not take full advantage of the M1 chip. Now that Apple has given them what they wanted, they are now complaining that these features are not available on the legacy chips. You can’t have it both ways! I own the M1 IPad Pro and the IPad mini 6 and I am super happy!

To say that Apple employees also have family members using old iPads is so self-serving, and this 7:13 is not even in the same realm to be used as an example. One generation previous to M1 is still damn powerful and capable to reproduce that M1 specific feature. I'm fine calling a spade a spade, a company wants to push the M1s? Fine, either it works out for them or not but to have youtubers coming out with such lousy reasoning? Give me a break.

Answer my question please Rene! How it’s possible 2017 MacBooks that use old intel processors can run stage manager when A12Z is already stronger and faster than that?

Well, I was looking forward to use Stage Manager on my 12'' MacBook with an Intel m5 from 2016 - from what I've read, that machine is roughly in the same speed ballpark as the m3 model from 2017...but Apple has decided to drop support for my model nonetheless and Ventura will only be made available for a limited number of Intel devices. Sure, I know, my MacBook is a 6y old device..But a 6y old device for which I had to put 2000 Swiss Francs on the table and Monterey still supports an 8y old device that you could get for a fraction of that price. So, I don't know how much of my empathy Apple deserves at this point

Pretty disappointed you’re falling for this Rene, thought you would have been one of the ones to speak out about it

Anything that runs on a low powered 2017 MacBook should be capable of running on a much more powerful iPad. These owners have a right to be pissed. Highly doubt stage manager couldn’t have been added because of ram. Tailosive Tech has a better perspective on this issue than you do.

but is a problem ,because is posible stage manager on iPads whit jailbreak and apple can put on any iPad if they want

Honestly, you sound to me like you're blindly defending Apple despite them software locking 2 year old expensive iPads out of new features. I dunno what I should have expected from your Apple coverage. You always put Apple in a positive light no matter what they do.

I’m not in support of Apples fragmentation of IOS 16 features. Having said that, I’d accept the decision, provided that the older iPads still receive long term OS support. First Apple drops a whole slew of fairly recent Intel macs, now this. It’s horrendous. I’m seriously thinking of a move to Android/Samsung and Windows, because of this. Mr. Ritchie is revealing himself to either be a paid shill, or he’s completely clueless. Either way, he just lost my sub.

It must be a day of the week, because Rene released a technical video telling his followers they are unrealistic to want more from Apple. Is he trying to make us feel guilty or tell us that his lips taste like apples? I really don't get why he seems to feel frustrated with them one day but satisfied another when they've barely addressed concerns. Does this lead to him getting Apple fans and Apple critics Both to follow him?

Sad to see things go down this way. There must be better ways to push forth your brand rather than defending at all costs :(

iPad pro 2020 here. I don’t need any stage manager kind of stuff here. I don’t intend on using my ipad as a professional device but the ability to use as much of my screen as possible when editing pdf files etc would be great. That’s the only thing that bothers me really….

I love your content Rene and I truly respect you but I strongly disagree with the ram excuse, I recently had to go back to using my old Galaxy s8+ because my iPhone 11 Pro Max stopped working, yet this 4gb of ram phone can do what the A12z iPad can’t with 6gb of ram and it even does it WAY better than the M1 iPads in terms of functionality and is more than smooth enough considering it’s age.

I'm happy to have my iPad mini 6 but feel that they were bean counting with it. Not looking for stage manager. Just no black bar external screen. This is purely to make users by the m1 models. I still can't figure a reason why they release the iPad mini without an m1 chip. I followed you for many years back with the site you created but our journey ends. The apple invites and free hardware given to review as affected your opinion and reasoning.

I still own and uses my gen 6 ipod. It works great...

For iPad os 17 just give external display support for 16:9 aspect ratio that’s it. At least I (Ipad pro 2018 user) don’t care about stage manager just give 16:9 aspect ratio.