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Why is the Murder of Indian Women Going Unpunished? 

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Dowry Deaths (1995): Nearly 100 women a week are being brutally murdered a year due to dispute over valuable dowries, with virtually no one being brought to justice.
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Synopsis: The low status of India's women has a sinister face. Up to 5000 women are killed each year in disputes over dowries. Many are burnt to death by their husband's family in fake accidents. The motive is greed. Some women now find courage to complain to the police. A couple battles out their dowry disagreement before a police mediator. Others barely escape with their lives. Anita fled to a women's shelter after 4 years of beatings and death threats. Despite the problems traditions remain strong and 99% of marriages still involve a dowry. A candid insight into the continuing abuse inside Indian families.
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@sheffanesseabrown3153
@sheffanesseabrown3153 6 лет назад
I'm Jamaican who was betrayed and abused by an Indian man I was scared to leave because he always threatened that he would kill me but I got the strength to leave .Im alive for a purpose and I'll do everything in my power to help women in India ,you deserve to be loved .
@divergence_tiffanyramos4337
@divergence_tiffanyramos4337 5 лет назад
Sheffanessea Brown : Thank you for sharing part of your life story. It's very brave of you to do so. Are you working with women who are victims of domestic or dowry abuse now? I noticed you had mentioned helping abused women in your comment. I was just curious if you were able to achieve that goal in your life. I hope your healing has brought you to a more positive and peaceful place in your life. Blessings!
@sheffanesseabrown2811
@sheffanesseabrown2811 5 лет назад
Tiffany Ramos not yet my dear but I will
@divergence_tiffanyramos4337
@divergence_tiffanyramos4337 5 лет назад
Sheffanessea Brown : Hey Beautiful! How are you doing? I hope well. Thank you for commenting back. I hope you reach your goals soon. I'm sure your a strong brave woman. You've got this. Keep your chin up and know you are truly special. Just like your beautiful name. 😁Take care always! Many Blessings Sent Your Way!
@somegirl6290
@somegirl6290 4 года назад
Yuh nuh box dung him magga raas or take something chap him in a him head to raas
@shebonshajan5156
@shebonshajan5156 10 лет назад
Why the hell should a girl's dowry be given to her in-laws???? Its her inheritance!!
@rubybabak8672
@rubybabak8672 7 лет назад
Brought tears into my eyes for burning of the young bride. Women are born to be love not to burn. May Allah Have his mercy upon all his creation either if they are from male or female category.
@stardust2647
@stardust2647 4 года назад
Ruby Babak Allah hates women
@ilikebread7052
@ilikebread7052 2 года назад
@@stardust2647 asturfullah
@catm8287
@catm8287 7 лет назад
Glad that I wasn't born in India
@whichphilosophy
@whichphilosophy 10 лет назад
This is hardly news. This is possibly the most dangerous place in the world for women in some areas.
@musicallydisneyamvs6731
@musicallydisneyamvs6731 4 года назад
whichphilosophy Still got to keep that knowledge and make it sharable I guess. Also with the internet yes it’s not new.
@glassrune8465
@glassrune8465 11 лет назад
How small my problems seem after watching this...
@morganmore6
@morganmore6 10 лет назад
its best not to marry at all if you are a woman. look out side of India for a husband would be better than this life as a servant.
@UJ00UJ
@UJ00UJ 10 лет назад
ROFL, life of both husband and wife are usually lame after marriage, no matter where u marry, that's why amount of divorces are rising.
@morganmore6
@morganmore6 10 лет назад
see your point but being burned alive and watching your daughter murdered is not the every day part of a marriage for most. and in any case you only hear about bad ones not great ones and they are out there.
@shanthsp2002
@shanthsp2002 10 лет назад
To be frank life of husbands is far more miserable in INDIA. There are Lot's of cases of man being murdered by her wife. recently one women killed her husband taking help of her boyfriend. Crime is from both sides. Only thing is when women gets killed our stupid media and people creates hype but when men gets killed no media even show it on TV. and people don't care about it. Show off nothing else...
@UJ00UJ
@UJ00UJ 10 лет назад
Ruling Destiny So true.. Looks like one day we will have to fight for "man rights"..
@shanthsp2002
@shanthsp2002 9 лет назад
UJ00UJ We are already fighting , but most of young men are busy in flirting girls, or planning future, planning for wedding, only difference between women and men is women learns all this feminist stuff so early in age, and men they don't even know whats their right. they don't even know that they are being discriminated until unless they face problem and change their view. Once they come out of all their dream world, they see the truth, men in India are being treated like criminals....all sections are there to sue men but none to protect men.
@La1930CosaNostra
@La1930CosaNostra 11 лет назад
In my culture, we provide for our wives... This is insane.
@spicka74
@spicka74 11 лет назад
I am a true example of this, we don't live with my in-laws but my husband who is an Indian divorced me because of the dowry, and one of his reasons is that I cannot make him and his family rich. I got beatings before but I got a PFA, now I'm free to start on my own. He will re-marry to get a biger dowry now that he a US citizen he can get a few million Rupees because his value is higher that he can bring his new Indian bride to America. I believe in KARMA, and GOD sees everything.
@angieng4789
@angieng4789 4 года назад
Why did you marry him in the first place
@chaitea3912
@chaitea3912 6 лет назад
I love the beginning when she slap that old pervert. He looks shocked. Ha haha.
@dhruvgodara
@dhruvgodara 15 лет назад
One word: Barbaric.
@Pam4Rob
@Pam4Rob 14 лет назад
One other thing I have noticed, it is seeming that the parents of these girls are really keeping them naive. Did you hear the 20 year old girl say that people her age are not eqipped to make decisions, that her parents must make them for her??? Not to mention she believes you truely know a person after 2 or 3 times of meeting them?? No you get to know a person by living with them. Before getting married, you live with them and learn who they TRUELY are, you cannot know that after meeting them 2x
@glorytalbott7950
@glorytalbott7950 Год назад
While I fully agree with you that women should know the man a lot better than one of two times-it takes dating for at least a year to know what someone is like. But to say living together increases chances of happiness is wrong. Actually people who live together before marriage have higher rates of divorce than couples who do not live together before marriage. I did not live with my husband before we were married but we dated for over a year. I met his family, and it was my choice to marry him (different than in other countries where some women do not have the choice or marry a man they hardly know). I have been married to a wonderful man for 22 years (next month-our anniversary is in November). Living together before marriage is NOT the solution and actually increases chances of divorce....
@william112004
@william112004 10 лет назад
ill never understand this society
@ABCantonese
@ABCantonese 8 лет назад
Seriously, these are some of the most beautiful people on Earth and not only do they have to, give dowry, they have to keep giving dowry, get married early, do all the work, get harassed in the house, get harassed outside the house, get raped, get killed, take the beating, bear the child, take a beating for bearing a female child. India has too many men as it is and this is what happen to girls? Shouldn't men be competing for girls and giving the dowry? This is against market principles, against math. Being Asian, why the hell do we not count them as one of us? Their math is pathetic! I feel sorry for Indian girls and hope they find someone worthy. And seriously, what the hell are the mother and sister in law doing?
@witchcerridwen
@witchcerridwen 10 лет назад
i love that female cop.i wanna tell her well done.he doesnt dare to slap her back ha ha ha ha.
@roughcollies1811
@roughcollies1811 3 года назад
In America you can go to jail for ten years, (male or female) for soliciting prostitution...
@mamamaters
@mamamaters 2 года назад
Those police tactics are killing me lmao
@lheilatailor1412
@lheilatailor1412 7 лет назад
Dowry is about materials things,money & Etc.. Dowry cannot buy happiness to married couple.. Without genuine love the marriage can turn into toxic torture,slave & death..
@jajalshadow
@jajalshadow 10 лет назад
to Nellum,the undercover cop , i just like to say you go girl !!
@silentfades
@silentfades 16 лет назад
Several years ago I read alot on this so called "bride burning" and thought it was on the decline -- I am so sorry to hear that it is now increasing. Marc in NYC
@jackie41643
@jackie41643 11 лет назад
I'm genuinely so sorry to hear that. Have a wonderful day and an amazing life filled with peace.... Sincerely, J
@0xnode
@0xnode 10 лет назад
In my tradition the man pays to the girls family. Makes a lot of sense for me to get an indian wife, I will not ask for anything. it like doing me a favor! giving me a wife for free. i will gladly oblige.
@DJRick313rd
@DJRick313rd 14 лет назад
I agree on that. No one should hit anybody in a relationship, whether male or female.
@Pam4Rob
@Pam4Rob 14 лет назад
In america, I live in one of the worst sections in syracuse NY, known as the Ghetto, we have MUCH poverty here, But I refuse to believe that we are a product of where we live, Just because I am poor does not give justification to me murdering or stealing from another. People must stop using Poverty as a reason to commit crimes.
@whichphilosophy
@whichphilosophy 10 лет назад
India cannot develop and change with undeveloped unchanged thinking
@jackie41643
@jackie41643 11 лет назад
You missed the rest of the verse. Esphesians 5 in the Bible says "...husbands should love their wives like Christ loved the church, sacrificing everything for her". I'm sorry I see zero sacrificing on some of these husband's parts. Christ suffered and died for his bride. You can say just the opposite here.
@angieng4789
@angieng4789 4 года назад
In case you misunderstood, they are not Christians
@ruby4751
@ruby4751 Год назад
@@angieng4789 Then the point is their religion and culture is very misogynistic
@amitytt
@amitytt 4 года назад
Dowry is the biggest curse of our indian society.
@earthlycolorbrown6246
@earthlycolorbrown6246 3 года назад
Don't do it! Don't marry someone You don't know and You are a college graduate! He will beat it out of You!
@Fancymanofthedeep
@Fancymanofthedeep 11 лет назад
Consumerism? It's because of religious bigotry and/or a lack of a proper education that makes so many men sexist. Consumerism plays a part in smaller ways but the main problem lies in deeply entrenched attitudes that are sustained by religion.
@appuappu1165
@appuappu1165 4 года назад
Il tell you exactly why murders of women is going unpunished...its because of her own family...inlaws are second to be blamed but the first in the line are her own parents and close relatives...they don't give her that comfort that she can return to her home when her inlaws abuse her..wahi gisi piti dialogue "log kya kahange".. and once she is dead they don't even report the death to the authorities on time but blame god for it "bhagwan ne hamare saath itna bura kyun kia"
@MsUAgirl
@MsUAgirl 14 лет назад
a dowry???? even now a days ????? in what century this part of India lives ... i thought that there is no such a thing like dowry
@staceymcr13
@staceymcr13 11 лет назад
atrocious that this is happening still and that the rest of the world doesn't bat an eyelid
@verrrr1
@verrrr1 11 лет назад
the police woman is like the tv show "bait car" talking about she is going to be sexually harassed lol
@Mandinko23
@Mandinko23 11 лет назад
i don't understand the indian culture for how long must a woman give dowry even after she been married for so long and have a child. what a sick way of thinking what kind of religion are these people following
@12nitroman
@12nitroman 16 лет назад
the bottom line is,in india woman has no rights and is simply treated like shit.although this problem occurs in other countrys as well it is worse in india.
@jacyjones7871
@jacyjones7871 11 лет назад
I find it interesting the parents consult astrology to be sure of a match. After two really bad marriages I investigated my boyfriend (whom had walked right by me when I visited London in 1977 and I have a picture of it) using Japanese, Chinese and American astrology. We have now been happily married for several years and we bring each other good luck in finance and respect and appreciation and social situations.
@chachaburaga1555
@chachaburaga1555 11 лет назад
there girls are so beautiful, how can someone killed their duaghters. :(
@lorrainewade6956
@lorrainewade6956 3 года назад
I agree with that who gives them the bloody right
@dwarfbunni
@dwarfbunni 11 лет назад
when she slapped the john, FUCK YEAH!!!!! you go girl!!
@DJRick313rd
@DJRick313rd 15 лет назад
As an East Indian 27 year old man, I can say that it is a cowardly act to hit a woman...NO MAN SHOULD EVER HIT A WOMAN PERIOD!
@ellespeth
@ellespeth 14 лет назад
don't they know the meaning of love?
@prarthanaperera1997
@prarthanaperera1997 4 года назад
Only Bollywood seems to actually. But there are actually good men too who would give anything to protect their loved ones.
@mooninquirer
@mooninquirer 12 лет назад
It is the fathers and brothers of the sons who demand a dowry more so than the mother, and woe unto her if she doesn't go along with these demands.
@prophettracythompson7327
@prophettracythompson7327 3 года назад
Great reporting 👍😊😀
@jackie41643
@jackie41643 11 лет назад
Sorry to hear about the insults. Some folks complain about the lack of global peace but can't figure out how to have the most basic kind of peace when dealing with others around them. I am sorry folks resorted to insults. Sincerely, J
@amandalee1268
@amandalee1268 4 года назад
Am glad I was not born in India. The girl is very naive to think she will know by meeting 2-3 times. Sometimes even if you live with the person, you ding him or her. He or she is your spouse when they r home, once they walk out of the door, they r not, you will know for sure they r ur spouse once they r six feet underground 😂😂😂
@kaceyIlliot-mw8fh
@kaceyIlliot-mw8fh 10 лет назад
The most superstitious people are the most unhappy.
@flyingyee
@flyingyee 11 лет назад
Why don't Indian women marry foreign men? If they marry chinese men, they will receive a good sum of money from the groom's family as gift instead of havig to pay for the dowry!
@lengthpower4034
@lengthpower4034 4 года назад
I want to know the reason also.
@ruby4751
@ruby4751 Год назад
@@lengthpower4034 Indian women are often forced to marry indian men, otherwise they would marry foreign men
@TheBeverly007
@TheBeverly007 11 лет назад
This is so sad. Thes woman must live in fear for themselves and their children. This is an Outrage.
@jennifere7413
@jennifere7413 10 лет назад
Sooo...wtf, the womans family pays the man to take her? -_-
@chanceklippstein
@chanceklippstein 3 года назад
Never heard of a dowry? It happens over in places like this still.
@ellimacification
@ellimacification 10 лет назад
India needs a reform !
@somegirl6290
@somegirl6290 4 года назад
THANK YOU GOD FOR JESUS AND AMERICA
@waqarkhan25
@waqarkhan25 2 года назад
I had never heard of Indian wedding dowries
@c0string
@c0string 11 лет назад
At whos hand ask yourself that question, it all leads to the males in the family...
@mbiling
@mbiling 16 лет назад
I dont know why dont you ask the guy who made this. I can translate this- the old womans daughter was married in may 1978 and in 1979 they burned her daughter to death because her family didnt get a dowry. The english bits are pretty much the overall review of what the hindus are saying.
@mariabella19
@mariabella19 16 лет назад
you go girl!
@jimiskywalker
@jimiskywalker 16 лет назад
yes she may have been killed in 1979 but the case has been going in court for 18 years.. and now with the consumer lifestyle catching on over there it's probably not slowing down. It's sad because it's just poor praying on the poor out of greed.. It seems like there is NO Love in India
@cdecde2858
@cdecde2858 7 лет назад
This stigma and dowry needs to be abolished
@BoothandBones96
@BoothandBones96 11 лет назад
unless you experience the culture you won't understand what the customs are. as someone from India (and a girl) i understand where this is coming from. i know that we need to change our country and its mindset, but just saying what a horrible country India is won't help. Changing a culture that is this old is going to take so many more women standing up to society and getting rid of demeaning things like dowries. Its wrong and utterly disgusting!
@Cleric775
@Cleric775 11 лет назад
09:04 Whhhaaaat? Who would dump the beautiful girl like her?
@alienkishorekumar
@alienkishorekumar 11 лет назад
sad state of India even educated Indians don't realize.
@DJRick313rd
@DJRick313rd 14 лет назад
My point is, physical violence is not the answer. A lot of people are having negative stereotypes because of this act of violence against women. It is one thing to yell at a woman, if she didn't do her part. But to hit her, is very wrong. Women shouldn't be abusive towards men either. Deal with each other by implementing other ways than hitting.
@mathew-auxiliuminteriordes1797
@mathew-auxiliuminteriordes1797 2 года назад
I SENT THIS TO OTHERS TO LISTEN TO WELL
@johnparbhu5128
@johnparbhu5128 4 года назад
What the "f" going on in that country!!!!? Where is the humanity?? I know I will be told not to generalize a whole nation, but shit, this is atrocious!!!!U call that culture!!? Who r these heartless, greedy sons & mother in laws to ill treat innocent young women to such barbaric brutality!!? Where r the leaders or the laws!!? Looks like taking a human life, is just no big deal. Respect women totally!!! I can only imagine how powerless & helpless they feel. 😥
@ur1234562001
@ur1234562001 15 лет назад
It is not the dowry killing these women... It is the inability of getting divorce from the women force men to be cruel. No divorce is granted with no fault of either side. The fault is very difficult to prove.
@lachefderouge
@lachefderouge 13 лет назад
is there a remake of this video with subtitles?
@lheilatailor1412
@lheilatailor1412 7 лет назад
I think finding the future husband for their daughter are not best solution they were dealing with their worst nightmares..
@sams517
@sams517 11 лет назад
most parents won't allow u marrying out of caste, let alone out of race. there are some cases though
@Verisetti
@Verisetti 8 лет назад
These monsters I will not call them not men or mother-in-laws they are monsters. Perhaps they should be jailed, or offered what they did to the poor wives. Some women have seen so much cruelty they have no heart left.
@missarabia
@missarabia 12 лет назад
subtitles?
@dzire888
@dzire888 15 лет назад
okay its always the same thing women getting burnt and killed i'm a hindu girl but you know what my parents taught me how to fight if some1 hits me i will get them back twice... instead of teaching girls only how to cook and clean .. teach them how to fight as well .. and watch things change ( my husband dosnt dare to raise a hand on me)
@Jibbie49
@Jibbie49 14 лет назад
When there is a shortage of women in India for marriage THEN women won't need dowries, but MEN will be paying her parents. It is all about supply and demand.
@smilemerry
@smilemerry 14 лет назад
Part 1: Oh believe me I know women can be conniving and just as ridiculous. How can women run brothels?! But they do. How can a mother send her child for prostitution?! But they do. Women can be just as bad I agree.
@Johnmith626
@Johnmith626 16 лет назад
please dont bring in religion christianity has a lot of flaws as well but i dun think its right 2 critisize religion as every religion has its strengths and flaws including christianity
@alix7100
@alix7100 14 лет назад
there are laws, but they are not applied, which means they are unuseful. Maybe a try to apply them would help? There is a lack of 163 millions women in Asia (not only India). Babies girls are aborted, or killed at birth, or victims of child neglect. It's real, and it's not just an imaginary thing of women having fun of making men guilty to pissed them of.
@lheilatailor1412
@lheilatailor1412 7 лет назад
The parents of the girl werent right They planned their own daughter's marriage even though they didn't know the man very well & the family of the man..
@Ammuz22
@Ammuz22 10 лет назад
it is outlawed in india... they can get arrested for asking for dowry if they demand it... but it still is present... now its not called dowry.. its called "gifts" and families are willing to give it... the attitudes of people is what should be changed.
@chikiboom2
@chikiboom2 14 лет назад
I am not personally against women, but there are so many laws to protect women that these stupid videos are not funny anymore, in India for dowry a man and his ENTIRE family (including all women in family/mother/sisters) except his dog can be arrested for taking dowry by mere a complaint and its a non bailable offence now where is the need to cry for women giving dowry. If these strict laws are not helping then we should get rid of them which are making the life of anyone a living hell.
@UserKamboj
@UserKamboj 15 лет назад
girls need to get educated, their families need to educate them and need to make them financially independent....inlaws are always greedy...they always need more and more...the girl need to stand by themsleves...
@Pemphetru
@Pemphetru 10 лет назад
they did. and people still do it.
@riverofblood4362
@riverofblood4362 3 года назад
I’m watching this for my AP HuG test lol.
@mariabella19
@mariabella19 16 лет назад
they shouldnt be applicable to anyone.
@Pam4Rob
@Pam4Rob 14 лет назад
was that english? because I can't tell if that was a question, or a declaritive statement. The english was really bad in this sentence.. where are you from?
@cierakitty
@cierakitty 9 лет назад
Killed in a horrid way for money (more dowries), jeepers this is wrong on so many ways. Is there no love at all between the husband and wife, or is the entire marriage about money etc. ? Very little if any at all it seems. The woman (or girl at times) is used as a pawn for the husbands family to get as much as they can. Wow
@omisites
@omisites 12 лет назад
What a shame on India? A developing country.
@lisacartwheel3693
@lisacartwheel3693 10 лет назад
*misspelling at 7:00
@mona3838
@mona3838 11 лет назад
They do U__U Dowry is illegal in India since 1961 under the The Dowry Prohibition Act of 1961. But... due to the complex culture, custom, religious and social caste system... majority of people in the lower and upper class family still continuing practice dowry.
@spicka74
@spicka74 11 лет назад
And, they are very good liars too.
@Cleric775
@Cleric775 11 лет назад
Backward worlds we live in.
@hankazinaf
@hankazinaf 11 лет назад
But who is the bigger culprit most of the times?
@blavor83
@blavor83 10 лет назад
I was in India...didnt have any kind of unpleasent time there.People r polite,nice,well manered and well i like the country.I have friends there...they say its still happening over there...in rural places...
@atifkhanthegreat
@atifkhanthegreat 6 лет назад
Marija Majche these happens in rural as well as urban India. Even including educated are no different, but killing have gone down. Female feticide is still common
@Zauberhase100
@Zauberhase100 11 лет назад
Lohnt sich das" fragt der Kopf. "Nein" sagt das Herz, "aber es tut gut".
@Pam4Rob
@Pam4Rob 14 лет назад
you obviosly didn't watch the whole video... that as just a few minutes of it.
@hankazinaf
@hankazinaf 11 лет назад
They did, years ago, it didn't work.
@ismata3274
@ismata3274 5 лет назад
If the dowry is not enough, don't get married with the girl! What the.....! You accept the wife, and then change your mind, you think you were worth more money, then give back the girl and the money back! What, you get to keep the money you don't think is enough so the marriage is not valid for you? If its not valid, then the money and the girl should be given back ! What kind of consumer interaction, buying selling goes like this? If its valid, you have accepted it, its illogical that you both consider marriage valid and don't give back her and the dowry she had bought with her back to her family, and not valid that you burn her. if you think the goods offered are not according to the agreement then you think the marrige is invalid, because this was not the agreement. If you haven't accepted her and don't want her, so marriage is not valid, how dare you burn another family's property and keep the dowry to boot? And the people giving the girls how dare they let people both burn the goods thus don't give it back, and dont give back the accessories the good was sold with(here its dowry)? when the buying selling is considered invalid. This is clearly not marriage because they deem the women's life theirs to do what they will. So the court dealing with these should be the same court dealing with business interactions, especially trying to give back the damaged goods part. Clearly the woman is not human here, she is a good, so both burning the good that you by proxy of this being a marriage promised the girls family grandkids and take care of said grandkids at the least, the husband is both damaging the good and not only that, damaging so much that ist impossible to sell it again (dead); not doing his part of the equation (no grandkids to look after the grandparents), and not giving the thing they didn't deem worthy to themselves (here the dowry). The judges would have such a field day with those thieves.
@Theresa968
@Theresa968 11 лет назад
The dowry reached the poorer classes of people who abuse it. A groom demands before marriage can set the brides family back 40,000+ causing the father to go to the money lender. The dowry is leagl, but abused:( The rich had the dowry first influencing the lesser income peoples into practicing it.. The dowry is okay if a family can afford it, but if not I believe a marriage should take place regarless.
@Iwashere83
@Iwashere83 15 лет назад
The problem does not generate from in-laws commiting thses horrendus crimes but from parents who falsly think that comsumer goods and money will make their daughter's life happy and better beginnig. That is where the greedy becomes more greedy. Also, parents need to empower their daughters'so that when abuse is felt they are able to stand up for themselves and not look at anyone else or the LAW for help. I believe there is no law in India. Its all for money and money for all.
@jinhunterslay1638
@jinhunterslay1638 11 лет назад
Dowry IS illegal in India! Except...there are a lot of ways around the weak weak law in India
@jackie41643
@jackie41643 11 лет назад
Then it comes to reason that there would be fewer atheists in prison. Unfortunate but true. I have a girlfriend that does a Bible study at a men's prison in CA, many sincerely repent of the harm they caused others. She's been volunteering there for over 15 years. Once released most do not come back which is good. Not to say atheists return or anything. But this makes sense now.
@stephjuhler999
@stephjuhler999 15 лет назад
needs subtitles
@jackie41643
@jackie41643 11 лет назад
We have many of our own problems in the US.
@limeleaf414
@limeleaf414 10 лет назад
I really don't that kind of culture.
@jackie41643
@jackie41643 11 лет назад
Do you know what percentage of the population is christian? Or at least professes to be? and what is the percentage of the population professes to be atheists in the US and Mexico?
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